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THE TWO WITNESSES/ THE TWO OLIVE TREES/ AND THE 144000 PART # 2 & PART # 3 "COMPLETED!" THANK YOU

 
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THE TWO WITNESSES/ THE TWO OLIVE TREES/ AND THE 144000 PART # 2 & PART # 3 "COMPLETED!" THANK YOU
**THE TWO WITNESSES PART#2**

THE TWO WITNESSES, THE TWO OLIVE TREES AND "THE TWELVE TRIBES OF ISRAEL WHO ARE THE SAINTS" THOSE SEALED IN REVELATION HAS BEEN BROKEN DOWN.THIS WAS DONE IN STEPS WHICH WILL GIVE A CLEARER UNDERSTANDING .ALL THE SCIPTURES IN PART WERE PUT TOGETHER SYSTEMATICALLY WITH THE


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This first introduction is important for those of you who have not really went indebt.It is my intention to clear up some of the issues regarding the OT importance to understanding the NT.

Many popular doctrines are basicaly hand me downs from the mother of harlots the catholic church.We have been all programmed to accep these teachings without searching our selves.I chalenge everyone to examine the content and search out the real truth.

This view is a very unpopular view but the bible projects and cast a different light on this topic than your so called christain scholars.I urge you again stop looking at my color or race as a means to discredit the word but search it out and open your hearts to the fathers prompting

Let us walk together!

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In order to understand the 144000 I will first have to use scriptures to nullify the lies of the christian churches about the state of the tribes of Israel.I will do very little talking and present scriptures so the wicked ones will not accuse me as they do of heresies."THIS IS THE WORD OF EH'YEH"

Deutoronomy chapter 7.
7:6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

7:7 The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people

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*The Divided Kingdoms*
Northern Kingdom
[10] Tribes
The Northen Kingdom, made up of ten [10} tribes;which are :Asher,Zebuln,Issacher,Mannasseh,Naphtali,Dan,Ephraim,Gad,Reu​ben,Simeon.


"Israel" also known as Ephraim is referred to as the Northern Kingdom. After the death of King Solomon, the nation then known as Israel was divided into two [2] kingdoms, the Northern Kingdom, and the Southern Kingdom.

The Southern Kingdom,was made up of two [2] tribes, Judah and Benjamin.

First three [3] daynasties lasted for fifty [50] years.

*SPLIT KINGDOM*

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King Jer-o-bo-am 1st.

First Daynasty

First King

Jer-o-bo-am 1st. The first king to reign over the ten [10]Northen Tribes of Israel after the death of King Solomon.Jer-o-bo-am 1st.the son of Nebat,an Ephrathite, of Zereda; he was King Solomon's servant. King Solomon made Jer-o-bo-am 1st. ruler over his forced labor and the house of Joseph. Jer-o-bo-am 1st. also built Millo, and closed the breaches of the City of David.


Prophet A-hi' jah

1Kings 11:26;27;28
The prophet during the time of King Solomon's reign was A-hi'jah,the son of A-hi-tub and grandson of Eli; who was at Shi-loh; he told Jer-o-bo-am 1st. that God was going to give him the ten [10] Northern Tribes of Israel; to rule,after the death of King Solomon.


Reason
The reason for doing this was not for Jeroboam 1st.sake or good character,nor deserts, but for the chasting of King Solomon's apostasy and because King Solomon, and many of his family; with many of of his people, have forsaken; Me, and worshipped Ash-to-reth the goddess of the Zi-do-ni-ans, Che-mosh the god of the Mo-ab-ites, and Mil-com, the god of the children Am-mon and have not walked in My ways [1Kings 11:33]. Think not to make an attempt upon the two [2] Tribes,Benjamin and Judah. Neither think that David was rejected as King Saul.

Neither think to fail or support and keep in reputation the House of David; for out of the House of David,the Messiah must rise.Destroy it not because that blessing is in the House of David. Always do what's right and I [God] will build a sure house for thee.

King Solomon finds out that God,is going to rent the kingdom; out of his hands, and give ten [10] tribes to Jer-o-bo-am 1st. to rule over. And that King David would always have a kingdom,because God said"I have chosen David for My servants sake, for David has kept My commandments and statutes".

When King Solomon, heard that God had given Jer-o-bo-am 1st. ten [10] tribes to rule over, he sought to kill Jer-o-bo-am 1st. As soon as Jer-o-bo-am 1st. heard that King Solomon, sought to kill him; he fled to Egypt and there he stayed untill the death of King Solomon [1Kings 11:40].
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Then again; many of you who like to cherry pick Pauls writings. Here is what paul had to say about his people!

Romans chapter 11
11:1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,

11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.

11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.

11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

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NOTES: We clearly see that the father has been and is preserving a remnant for the last day as evident in revelation chapter 8 from since pauls time until the time of the gentiles come to a full there will be 144000 remnant Israelites who kept the ways of the most high and did not corrupt the teachings and laws of the most high.

The book of revelation chapter 7
7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.



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7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

EXODUS


*THE THE TWO OLIVE TREES EXPLAINED*
NOTES: Regarding Zec Chapter 4 these are the witnesses standing with the father in heaven as we see in John and also proclaimed in Isaiah and hoe the olive branches exist

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*THE ROOT*= THE LAWS STATUTES COMMANDS AND THE OF THE FATHER

*THE LUMP* =THE AGREEING AND ONESS OF THE WORD AND THE HOLY SPIRT WITH THE FATHER

*THE BRANCHES* =HIS PEOPLE WHO WILL JOIN THEMSELVES AND FOLLOW HIS INSTITUTION


*THE TWO DRAIN PIPES* = THE ANAOINTING BEING FROM THE TWO SOURCES THE WORD AND THE HOLY SPIRIT


*THE OIL* = THE TEACHINGS OF HIS LAW AND STATUTES

*THE BOWL*= ONE COMMON TEACHING GOING TO ALL THE ASSEMBLIES

*THE CANDLE STICKS* = THE HOLY ASSEMBLIES

*THE LIGHT* = THOSE ASSEMBLIES THAT FOLLOW AND OBEY ARE LIGHT TO THE UNBELEIVERS


The holy Messiah Yehshah came as the word of the father an israelite is referred to as the branch

[u]]"And there shall come forth 3318 a rod out of the stem of Jesse ,and a Branch shall grow out of his roots"

"Behold, the days come , saith the LORD , that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch , and a King shall reign and prosper , and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth
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reference #1
The Book of Zecharia Chapter 4
4:12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?

4:13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.

4:14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the LORD of the whole earth.


reference #2
1ST JOHN CHAPTER 5
5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.


reference #3
ISAIAH CHAPTER 59
59:19 So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him.

59:20 And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the LORD.

59:21 As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seed's seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever


NOTES: The olive trees are the word and holy sprit of God in his elect .The WORD and SPIRT are the sources into all holiness and how men should work, preferably it is the designed structure of the heavenly order for his people Israel.An order that must be maintained by the his people and the gentiles who are grafted in.This we plainly see in scriptures that israel are the original branches.

The Book of Romans Chapter 11
11:16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

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11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee

11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.


YEHSHAH SAID THIS AGAIN AND AGAIN!THIS IS HIS WORDS TO THE APOSTLES ISRAELITES AGAIN CONFIRMING HE IS THE SOURCE THE OLIVE TREE AND IF WE PARTAKE OF THAT SOURCE YOU BECOME A WITNESS TO THE FATHER


The Book of John Chapter 15
15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

15:8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

LET US TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT THE STRUCTURE OF THE OLIVE TREES RELATED TO THE CANDLES STICK AND THE LAMPS




Scripture provides yet another clue to the identity of the peoples who will be moved by the spirit of the witnesses the olive trees.These men will be the physical manifestation of having the spirit of the most high and his word in their mouth.




The symbolism of the two olive trees and two lampstands is encountered in a slightly different arrangement in the book of Zechariah.


DFHUJY



The Book of Zecharia chapter 4

4:1 And the angel that talked with me came again, and waked me, as a man that is wakened out of his sleep.

4:2 And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof:

4:3 And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof.

4:11 Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?

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4:12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?

4:13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.

4:14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the LORD of the whole earth.


NB: The words 'two anointed ones' is better rendered the
'two sons of fresh oil'.


These verses in Zechariah are as cryptic as those encountered in the book of Revelation. However they do advise us that olive oil passes from the olive trees to the lampstand.


To assist us in perceiving the identity of the olive trees and lampstands we need to consider;

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The Book of Revelation Chapter 1
1:20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches


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This makes it apparent a lampstand in bible symbolism is used to represent the holy assembly of Israel.

The identity of the olive trees is very obvious. Yet we know that the olive trees feed the holy asemblies with olive oil. The olive trees are the source of the annointing. .


The HOLY ASSEMBLIES representing a lampstand converts the olive oil it receives into light! (This light guides the footsteps of the holy congregation.)
MESSIAH SAID IT..AS LONG AS IAM IN THE WORLD I AM THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD..HE TOLD THE APOSTLES TO BE LIGHT AMONGST MEN

Matthew Chapter 5
5:14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.

5:15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.

5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

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Consideration of these issues suggests the olive oil represents the word of God! Thus the holy congregation should continually feed upon the words of God in order
that it may be able to bring enlightened teaching to those in its presence.
(The holy spirit serves to bring the word of God to mind (John 14:26) to assist in helping one understand how the word of God should be viewed.)


In a sense the olive trees represent the messengers through whom the inspired words of God have to be brought again
to the a holy congregation. The writings of chosen men of
God such as Moses, Daniel, Paul and others form the olive tree witness! Through such men olive oil is received by the a holy congregation.


LOKGUT

*Did you know in God's tabernacle the showbread table and the golden lampstand represent the two witnesses?*


KJUY

In the tabernacle the showbread table was placed outside the veil toward the north and the lampstand was placed outside the veil toward the south.
The light from the lampstand illuminated the table. On the table was 12 cakes, ie the showbread. In this symbolism the showbread cakes represent the 'spiritual food' God presented before the descendants of Jacob.

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The clothing of the two witnesses in 'sackcloth' portrays the nature of their witness. Their role was to state or provide the testimony as they grieved in a spirit dead body.In sadness and disarray they live amongst the gentiles with no name or the God they once knew.This was and is and will continue until the time of gentile rule reaches its end
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Since we are informed there are two olive trees and two lampstands then each of the witnesses must have a dual nature.

NOTES:In respect to the children of Israel a natural division exists and this can be seen in relation to the old and new covenants and also there being a rift between the two kingdoms as shown from scriptures below

Reference:Isaiah Chapter 11
11:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

11:13 The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.

11:14 But they shall fly upon the shoulders of the Philistines toward the west; they shall spoil them of the east together: they shall lay their hand upon Edom and Moab; and the children of Ammon shall obey them
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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Re: THE TWO WITNESSES/ THE TWO OLIVE TREES/ AND THE 144000 PART # 2 & PART # 3 "COMPLETED!" THANK YOU
**PART#3 REVELATION CHAPTER 11**

*NOW THAT WE HAVE MORE CLARITY ON THE TWO KINGDOMS,THE TWELVE TRIBES,THE 14400,THE WITNESSES IN HEAVEN,AND THE CANDLESTICKS,LET US NOW TRY TO MAKE SENSE OF THE REST OF REVALATION CHAPTER 11*.



The Book of Revelation chapter 11
11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.


NOTES: John is measuring the temple which is the house of Israel Just like Zerubabel measured and built the physical temple in his time.John is measuring the holy people the elect,the obedient the remnant, for they are the temple of the most high for he lives not in temples made of stone.

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The Book of Revelation chapter 11Verse 2
11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

NOTES:The temple was destroyed 70ad and Israel were scattered around the world and the holy city have been and is being manipulated bu gentiles till this day.Notice 42 months for the gentile rule to be completed in both verses

Reference: The book of Luke chapter 2121:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

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The Book of Revelation chapter 11 Verse 3
11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

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Reference to SERVITUDE and DESPAIR in SACKCLOTH Lamentations chapter 1
1:2 She weepeth sore in the night, and her tears are on her cheeks: among all her lovers she hath none to comfort her: all her friends have dealt treacherously with her, they are become her enemies.

1:3 Judah is gone into captivity because of affliction, and because of *great servitude*: she dwelleth among the heathen, *she findeth no rest*: all her persecutors overtook her between the straits
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REFERENCE THE WITNESSES:Isaiah chapter 4343:1 But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine.

43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me

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The Book of Revelation chapter 11 Verse 4
11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth


NOTES: The two kingdoms Israel and Judah will be filled with the spirit of God and his word in the end times.They will have the spirit of porphecy of the olive tress working in them

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*THE ROOT*= THE LAWS STATUTES COMMANDS AND THE OF THE FATHER

*THE LUMP* =THE AGREEING AND ONENESS OF THE WORD AND THE HOLY SPIRT WITH THE FATHER

*THE BRANCHES* =HIS PEOPLE ISRAEL WHO WILL JOIN THEMSELVES UNTO THE FATHER AS HE REDEEMS THEM

*THE TWO DRAIN PIPES* = THE ANOINTING BEING FROM THE TWO SOURCES THE WORD AND THE HOLY SPIRIT


*THE OIL* = THE TEACHINGS OF HIS LAW AND STATUTES

*THE BOWL*= ONE COMMON TEACHING GOING TO ALL THE ASSEMBLIES

*THE CANDLE STICKS* = THE HOLY ASSEMBLIES

*THE LIGHT* = THOSE WHO FOLLOW AND OBEY AND ARE CIRCUMCISED IN SPIRIT ARE LIGHT TO THE UNBELEIVERS


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The Book of Revelation chapter 11 Verse 5
11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.


The Book of Revelation chapter 11 Verse 6
11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.


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The Book of Revelation chapter 11 Verse 7
11:7And when they shall have finished *their testimony*, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, *and kill them*.

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"shall make war"NOTES
War is an organized, armed, and often a 'prolonged conflict' that is carried on between states, nations, or other parties[1][2] typified by extreme aggression, social disruption, and usually high mortality. War should be understood as an actual, intentional and widespread armed conflict between political communities, and therefore is defined as a form of political violence

The beast system will bring out armies against these Israelites both the KINGDOM of judah and KINGDOM Ephraim.
Tell me who will fight a war against just two men? By the definition of the word war as used in revelation we see it is a wide scale event



NOTES:Let us look at verse 7 and try to make a connection here by precept.Here we will see the saints are killed for their testimony which is confirmed in both chapters

Reference:Revelation chapter 6 & Revealtion chapter 11


9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were *slain* for the word of God, and *for the testimony which they held*:

10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.



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The Book of Revelation chapter 11 Verse 8
11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.


Galations 3:13
3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree

NOTES:Judah was hunged and persecuted just like messiah even in the days of Jeremiah.The expression above is realting to these hangings of judah and I srael in SPIRITUAL BABYLON.This act was like hanging the messiah all over again because he was made curse for us.So they put christ back on the tree

Reference: The Book of Lamentation Chapter 5
5:11 They ravished the women in Zion, and the maids in the cities of Judah.
5:12 Princes are hanged up by their hand: the faces of elders were not honoured
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REFERENCE:Lamentations Chapter 2:Spiritual death and phyiscal death

2:10 The elders of the daughter of Zion sit upon the ground, and keep silence: they have cast up dust upon their heads; they have girded themselves with sackcloth: the virgins of Jerusalem hang down their heads to the ground.

2:11 Mine eyes do fail with tears, my bowels are troubled, my liver is poured upon the earth, for the destruction of the daughter of my people; because the children and the sucklings swoon in the streets of the city






The Book of Revelation chapter 11 Verse 9

11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

NOTES:This verse is cryptic and symbolic of the spiritual death that happened to Israel in captivity and slavery and persecution in Modern day Babylon which is called spiritually Sodom and Egypt.

Reference to the Dead Bodies:lamentations Chapter 1

1:18 The LORD is righteous; for I have rebelled against his commandment: hear, I pray you, all people, and behold my sorrow: my virgins and my young men are gone into captivity.

1:19 I called for my lovers, but they deceived me: my priests and mine elders gave up the ghost in the city, while they sought their meat to relieve their souls.

1:20 Behold, O LORD; for I am in distress: my bowels are troubled; mine heart is turned within me; for I have grievously rebelled: abroad the sword bereaveth, at home there is as death.






The Book of Revelation chapter 11 Verse 10

11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

NOTES:Reference: to the the nations celebrate and make merry because they became rich of these men in SERVITUDE,but inside it tormented them that they are Israel

Reference:The Book Of Lamentation chapter 1
1:21 They have heard that I sigh: there is none to comfort me: all mine enemies have heard of my trouble; they are glad that thou hast done it: thou wilt bring the day that thou hast called, and they shall be like unto me


Reference the Book of Habukuk
1:15 They take up all of them with the angle, they catch them in their net, and gather them in their drag: therefore they rejoice and are glad.

1:16 Therefore they sacrifice unto their net, and burn incense unto their drag; because by them their portion is fat, and their meat plenteous.

1:17 Shall they therefore empty their net, and not spare continually to slay the nations
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The Book of Revelation chapter 11 Verse 11
11:11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

NOTES: 42 MONTHS IS 1260 DAYS WHICH ARE 1260 YEARS
WHICH IS 3.5 DAYS.THESE ARE JUBILEES= 1260 YEARS


Reference to prove the time line Hosea chapter 6
6:1 Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.

6:2 After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

NOTES: 2days meaning 2000 years after messiah

6:3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth.

6:4 O Ephraim, what shall I do unto thee? O Judah, what shall I do unto thee? for your goodness is as a morning cloud, and as the early dew it goeth away



The Book of Revelation chapter 11 Verse 12
11:12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

Reference:The Book of Revelation chapter 14
14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

14:2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb
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PLEASE OBSERVE THE LANGUAGE HERE IN VERSE 14 "FIRSTFRUITS" YEH'SHAH ALSO BECAME THE FIRSTFRUIT UNTO THE FATHER ONLY WHEN HE DIED AND WAS RESURRECTED IN HEAVEN.HERE WE HAVE THE 144000 JUDAH AND EPHRAIM AS FIRST FRUITS UNTO THE FATHER AND THE SON.WHICH MEAN THEY WERE EITHER SPIRITUALLY RESURRECTED OR MARTYRED AND TAKEN TO HEAVEN IN A CLOUD AS IN REV 11.

Matthew chapter 24
13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.


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Corinthians Chapter 15
15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead

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14:5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.


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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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4:8 Their visage is blacker than a coal; they are not known in the streets: their skin cleaveth to their bones; it is withered, it is become like a stick.

4:9 They that be slain with the sword are better than they that be slain with hunger: for these pine away, stricken through for want of the fruits of the field.

4:10 The hands of the pitiful women have sodden their own children: they were their meat in the destruction of the daughter of my people.
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Great! 5 stars OP
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4:8 Their visage is blacker than a coal; they are not known in the streets: their skin cleaveth to their bones; it is withered, it is become like a stick.

4:9 They that be slain with the sword are better than they that be slain with hunger: for these pine away, stricken through for want of the fruits of the field.

4:10 The hands of the pitiful women have sodden their own children: they were their meat in the destruction of the daughter of my people.
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Good morning, great study I
Tend to agree with the logic but revelation is so elusive. I have some questions only myself will have to answer.
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when it matures it is but nutrients for a strong oak tree
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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There is no pre-rapture... It comes immediately after the tribulation. It's as plain as day in Matthew Chapter 24. Those who are taken are the ones who are took by God's flood(wrath) and gathered together for the birds to feast on, Luke 17:24-37.

The two witnesses testimony will be of Jesus Christ and his righteouseness and they being like-minded with him will peirce the hearts of many. The day the Wheat and Tares are revealed!!
Everything was made by him and through him and for him only. The Old Testament testified of his coming and the New testament testifies of his revealing. Two witnesses proving the Lord is true and we make up the third witness that bears testimony of this truth because Jesus Christ lives and he lives righteously through us, these are his true servants!!

Oh yes that day is here!! Soon the Lord will be coming on the clouds to take up his saints in his arms and he will wipe away all of our tears... Jesus is still the same yesterday, today, and always!! He will always require a righteous heart because he had a righteous heart. Therefore as he is and lived so should we be and live.
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There is no pre-rapture... It comes immediately after the tribulation. It's as plain as day in Matthew Chapter 24. Those who are taken are the ones who are took by God's flood(wrath) and gathered together for the birds to feast on, Luke 17:24-37.

The two witnesses testimony will be of Jesus Christ and his righteouseness and they being like-minded with him will peirce the hearts of many. The day the Wheat and Tares are revealed!!
Everything was made by him and through him and for him only. The Old Testament testified of his coming and the New testament testifies of his revealing. Two witnesses proving the Lord is true and we make up the third witness that bears testimony of this truth because Jesus Christ lives and he lives righteously through us, these are his true servants!!

Oh yes that day is here!! Soon the Lord will be coming on the clouds to take up his saints in his arms and he will wipe away all of our tears... Jesus is still the same yesterday, today, and always!! He will always require a righteous heart because he had a righteous heart. Therefore as he is and lived so should we be and live.
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You read but you do not understand this has nothing to do wit prerapture or mid rapture .The rapture is a hoax as I have in another thread. Please read carefully and be slow to answer or respond .

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Out of context false teaching , nuff said .
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There is no pre-rapture... It comes immediately after the tribulation. It's as plain as day in Matthew Chapter 24. Those who are taken are the ones who are took by God's flood(wrath) and gathered together for the birds to feast on, Luke 17:24-37.

The two witnesses testimony will be of Jesus Christ and his righteouseness and they being like-minded with him will peirce the hearts of many. The day the Wheat and Tares are revealed!!
Everything was made by him and through him and for him only. The Old Testament testified of his coming and the New testament testifies of his revealing. Two witnesses proving the Lord is true and we make up the third witness that bears testimony of this truth because Jesus Christ lives and he lives righteously through us, these are his true servants!!

Oh yes that day is here!! Soon the Lord will be coming on the clouds to take up his saints in his arms and he will wipe away all of our tears... Jesus is still the same yesterday, today, and always!! He will always require a righteous heart because he had a righteous heart. Therefore as he is and lived so should we be and live.
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You read but you do not understand this has nothing to do wit prerapture or mid rapture .The rapture is a hoax as I have in another thread. Please read carefully and be slow to answer or respond .

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Thread: THE 7 YEAR TRIBULATION HOAX! WE ARE IN TRIBULATION SINCE 70AD TILL NOW
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Out of context false teaching , nuff said .
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So I dear you to provide some scriptures to challenge this and maybe we can twist Gods word to suit your taste.
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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I believe you are wrong or mistaken about 1260 and have no interest in the truth. The period has been ID as Rome's dark ages (sackcloth) thus two witnesses/candlesticks followed this time when Bible went to all the world (stood up).
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False teachings.
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I believe you are wrong or mistaken about 1260 and have no interest in the truth. The period has been ID as Rome's dark ages (sackcloth) thus two witnesses/candlesticks followed this time when Bible went to all the world (stood up).
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its good to believe in something i guess you are right?
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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False teachings.
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you got something better from your sunday school
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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I believe you are wrong or mistaken about 1260 and have no interest in the truth. The period has been ID as Rome's dark ages (sackcloth) thus two witnesses/candlesticks followed this time when Bible went to all the world (stood up).
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its good to believe in something i guess you are right?Partially correct but the 144000 are the ones will have the revival in the last days,they will wake up
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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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I dont go to " Sunday school" I was brought up catholic, but attend a Baptist church, becuase they follow the scriptures and dont add anything. Why are you so set on this? The bottom line is..... Jesus is our Lord and Savior, with out him we perish. We either accept him or we dont. Those that accept him live forever in eternal paradise, those that dont, eternal hell. That is what we should be preaching not who or what the 2 witnesses are.
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I dont go to " Sunday school" I was brought up catholic, but attend a Baptist church, becuase they follow the scriptures and dont add anything. Why are you so set on this? The bottom line is..... Jesus is our Lord and Savior, with out him we perish. We either accept him or we dont. Those that accept him live forever in eternal paradise, those that dont, eternal hell. That is what we should be preaching not who or what the 2 witnesses are.
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well you need to study and read before you make assumptions .It is quite evident you do not understand the scriptures.
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Yes I do understand the scriptures. I believe you are stuck on a few items regarding the 2 witnesses. many sects get stuck on a scripture or 2 and base their entire belief system on those. The entire bible must be taken into the entire context.
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Yes I do understand the scriptures. I believe you are stuck on a few items regarding the 2 witnesses. many sects get stuck on a scripture or 2 and base their entire belief system on those. The entire bible must be taken into the entire context.
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Again I say to you there is a reason why all these topics are in the bible and many are in parables and we have to search them out precept upon precept.Like I said this topic is not for you to understnad right now, maybe later on in your walk it will make sense to you. I suggest you keep pressing on into the deeper things of EH'YEH and wean yourself from the milk.

We all know the messiah died for us that we might obtain salvation and that we must walk in obedience to his commands and laws and statutes.

There is much more than just that!So again before you make attacks on a thread with out even reading it in its entirety,and comparing the scriptures which are in your bible,I suggest you stay silent if you have nothing to backup what you saying than just "FALSE TEACHINGS"
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Op. check out the book of ruth chapter 8 and chapter 9
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Op. check out the book of ruth chapter 8 and chapter 9
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will do!
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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