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THE TWO WITNESSES/ THE TWO OLIVE TREES/ AND THE 144000 PART # 2 & PART # 3 "COMPLETED!" THANK YOU

 
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Ok, but when was their 1,260 day testimony actually completed?

Wouldn't they have finished it (the 1st testament) before Jesus came back?
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Most definetely! Though she was certainly a person of meekness and love for God, she like all men, is born into a world and spirit cursed by sin. I'm sure she had her days.
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Was he (christ) perhaps Jewish?

Did christianity originate after his passing?

Did he stray from the path a little and started his own belief system, by being just himself and gained a mass following, they killed him because of this perhaps?

Lots to ponder.
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Can someone answer this for me if possible please.

Jesus Christ as we are led to believe was the chosen one according to some scriptures but what I would like to know is why him and why at that particular time ? and why that particular destination?
 Quoting: Alrighty


Firstly thank you for the question.

The word of God word of God the father is a spirit, if you are familiar with the old testament you will see a lot of times the angel of the lord speaking to prophets like moses from a fire.

The word of GoD AS WE KNOW IT IS A CONSUMING FIRE!

When Adam fell from grace he was supposed to be the Ruler and king over all creation on earth.Satan messed that up so the father decided he will send his word in the flesh that men will see by example how to over come sin.He made the word in the flesh just like us same desires and passions without immortality and he was called YEHSHAH.

Messiah Yehshah IS THE LIVING WORD OF THE FATHER EH'YEH.The reason he chose Israel as the apple of his eye is due to the lineage though all came from adam this line though rebelled he loved for his own purpose.The reason you will have to ask the father.But this is where he wanted his kingdom to be rooted from.


Deutoronomy chapter 7

7:6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

7:7 The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

7:8 But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Ok, but when was their 1,260 day testimony actually completed?

Wouldn't they have finished it (the 1st testament) before Jesus came back?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12042173


There will be a revival that is mentioned in ezekiel 37 the valley of dry bones when this happens the children of israel will wake up and prophesy in the last days.Men will fear because they are alive again and God is with them and the governments and wicked people of the earth will make war against them....

Read esther chapter 8 and 9 and you will see a familiar picture

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Most definetely! Though she was certainly a person of meekness and love for God, she like all men, is born into a world and spirit cursed by sin. I'm sure she had her days.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12042173


Was he (christ) perhaps Jewish?

Did christianity originate after his passing?

Did he stray from the path a little and started his own belief system, by being just himself and gained a mass following, they killed him because of this perhaps?

Lots to ponder.
 Quoting: Alrighty


Messiah was of the line of Judah not jewish.

He did not bring christianity but taught men to be disciples of the teachings and laws and statutes of his father.He was a prophet teacher and lamb of God the high priest.

He never strayed or taught anything othere than what the father spoke through him he obeyed totally he is the word of the father so it is impossible for him to lie or go contrary.

They killed him because they are satans children and satan does not want you or me to inherit what he thinks he should have.

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Ok, but when was their 1,260 day testimony actually completed?

Wouldn't they have finished it (the 1st testament) before Jesus came back?
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There will be a revival that is mentioned in ezekiel 37 the valley of dry bones when this happens the children of israel will wake up and prophesy in the last days.Men will fear because they are alive again and God is with them and the governments and wicked people of the earth will make war against them....

Read esther chapter 8 and 9 and you will see a familiar picture
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Oh ok, you are tieing Ezekiel 37 with Revelation 11:11 right?

Revelation 11:
11And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
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Ok, but when was their 1,260 day testimony actually completed?

Wouldn't they have finished it (the 1st testament) before Jesus came back?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12042173


There will be a revival that is mentioned in ezekiel 37 the valley of dry bones when this happens the children of israel will wake up and prophesy in the last days.Men will fear because they are alive again and God is with them and the governments and wicked people of the earth will make war against them....

Read esther chapter 8 and 9 and you will see a familiar picture
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Oh ok, you are tieing Ezekiel 37 with Revelation 11:11 right?

Revelation 11:
11And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
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Yes and there are other scriptures you can reference.I know you are smart and I see the things that are going through your head but don't think on it to much it will settle when the father is ready ..


yes read revelation chapter three its a spiritual death

3:1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.

3:2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.

Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 04/12/2012 04:57 PM
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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The Torah was revealed by god to Moses on mount Sinai.
But Jesus christ represents christianity ?

God sent Christ as a representitive of judaism ?
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The Torah was revealed by god to Moses on mount Sinai.
But Jesus christ represents christianity ?

God sent Christ as a representitive of judaism ?
 Quoting: Alrighty


judaism is a made up religion christianity is a made up religion

Messiah did not create either of the two.


Messiah was not about religion but teaching the ways of the Father and teaching us how to live accordingly that we may enjoy the kingdom prepared for us in the future.He brought us torah also.


the book of malachi
3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the LORD, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.

3:2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

3:3 And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.

3:4 Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the LORD, as in the days of old, and as in former years.

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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It's very interesting, I've never really heard of such a link before.

The only thing that doesn't seem right is that right after they are resurrected, in the very next verse, "they ascend into heaven", it doesn't say anything at all about prophesying again.

Revelation 11:11,12
11And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. 12And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

That and Scripture says they finish their testimony, which would include prophesying, before they are killed and resurrected.

Revelation 11:7
7And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Why would they have finished their testimony if they had more to prophecy to testify about?
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The Torah was revealed by god to Moses on mount Sinai.
But Jesus christ represents christianity ?

God sent Christ as a representitive of judaism ?
 Quoting: Alrighty


judaism is a made up religion christianity is a made up religion

Messiah did not create either of the two.


Messiah was not about religion but teaching the ways of the Father and teaching us how to live accordingly that we may enjoy the kingdom prepared for us in the future.He brought us torah also.

 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Made up religions, yes, I get that but if these religions were made up then the scriptures were the words of human inhabitants, yet they reference god (the father) the creator, so how can people belive that the creator as we are led to believe existed ?
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Besides the 2nd prophesying part after they resurrect after prophesying the 1st time. Yea, I can't find any Scripture to disprove what you are saying.
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It's very interesting, I've never really heard of such a link before.

The only thing that doesn't seem right is that right after they are resurrected, in the very next verse, "they ascend into heaven", it doesn't say anything at all about prophesying again.

Revelation 11:11,12
11And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. 12And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

That and Scripture says they finish their testimony, which would include prophesying, before they are killed and resurrected.

Revelation 11:7
7And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Why would they have finished their testimony if they had more to prophecy to testify about?
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it seems like the spirti of the father will have left the earth at that time because now its only the unrighteuos will be left to face the plagues from the vials..Remeber it said donot hurt the earth or the sea until he sealed the 144000.I guess after they have been sealed and evangelize for a while then that period is over for them until we see them ascend and then later again with the messiah whereever he goes
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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It's very interesting, I've never really heard of such a link before.

The only thing that doesn't seem right is that right after they are resurrected, in the very next verse, "they ascend into heaven", it doesn't say anything at all about prophesying again.

Revelation 11:11,12
11And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. 12And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

That and Scripture says they finish their testimony, which would include prophesying, before they are killed and resurrected.

Revelation 11:7
7And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Why would they have finished their testimony if they had more to prophecy to testify about?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12042173


it seems like the spirti of the father will have left the earth at that time because now its only the unrighteuos will be left to face the plagues from the vials..Remeber it said donot hurt the earth or the sea until he sealed the 144000.I guess after they have been sealed and evangelize for a while then that period is over for them until we see them ascend and then later again with the messiah whereever he goes
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Hi there :)

I am pondering the question as well... your response reminds me of something along the lines of the christian response the restrainer is the Holy Spirit.......

aside from that, though - as that is not my point -- I have come to believe that believers will make it through the wrath and be the first believers in the Millenial Kingdom. If that is the case, then the HS could not be removed from the earth during this time. Any thoughts on that?
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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It's very interesting, I've never really heard of such a link before.

The only thing that doesn't seem right is that right after they are resurrected, in the very next verse, "they ascend into heaven", it doesn't say anything at all about prophesying again.

Revelation 11:11,12
11And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. 12And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

That and Scripture says they finish their testimony, which would include prophesying, before they are killed and resurrected.

Revelation 11:7
7And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Why would they have finished their testimony if they had more to prophecy to testify about?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12042173


it seems like the spirti of the father will have left the earth at that time because now its only the unrighteuos will be left to face the plagues from the vials..Remeber it said donot hurt the earth or the sea until he sealed the 144000.I guess after they have been sealed and evangelize for a while then that period is over for them until we see them ascend and then later again with the messiah whereever he goes
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Hi there :)

I am pondering the question as well... your response reminds me of something along the lines of the christian response the restrainer is the Holy Spirit.......

aside from that, though - as that is not my point -- I have come to believe that believers will make it through the wrath and be the first believers in the Millenial Kingdom. If that is the case, then the HS could not be removed from the earth during this time. Any thoughts on that?
 Quoting: Shamar


well to address your restrainer christian interpretation..The testimony will be done at that time and if you did follow the sixth seal that is up to where the plagues are going to released on the earth.Hence the reason for the angels also going out and reaping the other righteous believers leaving the unrighteous to get the plagues of the seven vials..I think that is understood?

These plagues are not the great tribulation here sanctioned by the beast organizations we are past that.This the day of wrath

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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It's very interesting, I've never really heard of such a link before.

The only thing that doesn't seem right is that right after they are resurrected, in the very next verse, "they ascend into heaven", it doesn't say anything at all about prophesying again.

Revelation 11:11,12
11And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. 12And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

That and Scripture says they finish their testimony, which would include prophesying, before they are killed and resurrected.

Revelation 11:7
7And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Why would they have finished their testimony if they had more to prophecy to testify about?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12042173


it seems like the spirti of the father will have left the earth at that time because now its only the unrighteuos will be left to face the plagues from the vials..Remeber it said donot hurt the earth or the sea until he sealed the 144000.I guess after they have been sealed and evangelize for a while then that period is over for them until we see them ascend and then later again with the messiah whereever he goes
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Hi there :)

I am pondering the question as well... your response reminds me of something along the lines of the christian response the restrainer is the Holy Spirit.......

aside from that, though - as that is not my point -- I have come to believe that believers will make it through the wrath and be the first believers in the Millenial Kingdom. If that is the case, then the HS could not be removed from the earth during this time. Any thoughts on that?
 Quoting: Shamar


well to address your restrainer christian interpretation..The testimony will be done at that time and if you did follow the sixth seal that is up to where the plagues are going to released on the earth.Hence the reason for the angels also going out and reaping the other righteous believers leaving the unrighteous to get the plagues of the seven vials..I think that is understood?

These palgues are not the tribulation here sanctioned by the beat organizations we are past that.This the day of wrath
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


so is it your understanding that no believers will be going into the millenium in this earthly life?
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Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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it seems like the spirti of the father will have left the earth at that time because now its only the unrighteuos will be left to face the plagues from the vials..Remeber it said donot hurt the earth or the sea until he sealed the 144000.I guess after they have been sealed and evangelize for a while then that period is over for them until we see them ascend and then later again with the messiah whereever he goes
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Hi there :)

I am pondering the question as well... your response reminds me of something along the lines of the christian response the restrainer is the Holy Spirit.......

aside from that, though - as that is not my point -- I have come to believe that believers will make it through the wrath and be the first believers in the Millenial Kingdom. If that is the case, then the HS could not be removed from the earth during this time. Any thoughts on that?
 Quoting: Shamar


well to address your restrainer christian interpretation..The testimony will be done at that time and if you did follow the sixth seal that is up to where the plagues are going to released on the earth.Hence the reason for the angels also going out and reaping the other righteous believers leaving the unrighteous to get the plagues of the seven vials..I think that is understood?

These palgues are not the tribulation here sanctioned by the beat organizations we are past that.This the day of wrath
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


so is it your understanding that no believers will be going into the millenium in this earthly life?
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is that a real question?.Have you read my posts and what I put forward? Never haave I suggested such!
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Hi there :)

I am pondering the question as well... your response reminds me of something along the lines of the christian response the restrainer is the Holy Spirit.......

aside from that, though - as that is not my point -- I have come to believe that believers will make it through the wrath and be the first believers in the Millenial Kingdom. If that is the case, then the HS could not be removed from the earth during this time. Any thoughts on that?
 Quoting: Shamar


well to address your restrainer christian interpretation..The testimony will be done at that time and if you did follow the sixth seal that is up to where the plagues are going to released on the earth.Hence the reason for the angels also going out and reaping the other righteous believers leaving the unrighteous to get the plagues of the seven vials..I think that is understood?

These palgues are not the tribulation here sanctioned by the beat organizations we are past that.This the day of wrath
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


so is it your understanding that no believers will be going into the millenium in this earthly life?
 Quoting: Shamar


is that a real question?.Have you read my posts and what I put forward? Never haave I suggested such!
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


I posted multiple times that nobody goes to heaven but we live on the kingdom on earth it is in revelation it is in 2 joel which I posted last week and in multiple posts

You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Hi there :)

I am pondering the question as well... your response reminds me of something along the lines of the christian response the restrainer is the Holy Spirit.......

aside from that, though - as that is not my point -- I have come to believe that believers will make it through the wrath and be the first believers in the Millenial Kingdom. If that is the case, then the HS could not be removed from the earth during this time. Any thoughts on that?
 Quoting: Shamar


well to address your restrainer christian interpretation..The testimony will be done at that time and if you did follow the sixth seal that is up to where the plagues are going to released on the earth.Hence the reason for the angels also going out and reaping the other righteous believers leaving the unrighteous to get the plagues of the seven vials..I think that is understood?

These palgues are not the tribulation here sanctioned by the beat organizations we are past that.This the day of wrath
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


so is it your understanding that no believers will be going into the millenium in this earthly life?
 Quoting: Shamar


is that a real question?.Have you read my posts and what I put forward? Never haave I suggested such!
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar

some of us have to work and can't be on the comptuer much.

sorry to have bothered you. shalom.
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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I'll just leave you all hfbe......carry on ~
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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well to address your restrainer christian interpretation..The testimony will be done at that time and if you did follow the sixth seal that is up to where the plagues are going to released on the earth.Hence the reason for the angels also going out and reaping the other righteous believers leaving the unrighteous to get the plagues of the seven vials..I think that is understood?

These palgues are not the tribulation here sanctioned by the beat organizations we are past that.This the day of wrath
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


so is it your understanding that no believers will be going into the millenium in this earthly life?
 Quoting: Shamar


is that a real question?.Have you read my posts and what I put forward? Never haave I suggested such!
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar

some of us have to work and can't be on the comptuer much.

sorry to have bothered you. shalom.
 Quoting: Shamar


Not being rude in anyway but I know you read those threads you have commented on many of them.That is my reason for asking.
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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well to address your restrainer christian interpretation..The testimony will be done at that time and if you did follow the sixth seal that is up to where the plagues are going to released on the earth.Hence the reason for the angels also going out and reaping the other righteous believers leaving the unrighteous to get the plagues of the seven vials..I think that is understood?

These palgues are not the tribulation here sanctioned by the beat organizations we are past that.This the day of wrath
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


so is it your understanding that no believers will be going into the millenium in this earthly life?
 Quoting: Shamar


is that a real question?.Have you read my posts and what I put forward? Never haave I suggested such!
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar

some of us have to work and can't be on the comptuer much.

sorry to have bothered you. shalom.
 Quoting: Shamar


What you saying neim? we were told this in our churches and by our fathers and great grands..

You don't love jesus neim, you always go against our christian belief.


Well I am sorry to be the bearer of what you think is bad news, but if you like me to explain I will.

Well when you die you are in the grave until the resurection.SIMPLE!

O how I hate that neim, he always doing this!
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If you knew what you were talking about and quit taking verses out of context it would be nice. But I suppose that would defeat your trolling.

Try twisting this:
1Th 4:13 Now, concerning those who from time to time pass away, we would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, lest you should mourn as others do who have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus has died and risen again, we also believe that, through Jesus, God will bring with Him those who shall have passed away.
1Th 4:15 For this we declare to you on the Lord's own authority--that we who are alive and continue on earth until the Coming of the Lord, shall certainly not forestall those who shall have previously passed away.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord Himself will come down from Heaven with a loud word of command, and with an archangel's voice and the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
The concept being dealt with is; the order in which the Saints receive their resurrection bodies, not where they are coming from.

1Th 4:17 Afterwards we who are alive and are still on earth will be caught up in their company amid clouds to meet the Lord in the air.


So where is God? in Heaven, If He brings the dead in Christ with Him from Heaven, then where are they after Death? In Heaven.
So you are wrong, AGAIN.

Before the Death and Resurrection of Christ, the Dead resided in either Hades or Paradise. Since they Died in their Sins, the Godly could not go to Heaven, until Jesus paid their Ransom with His death.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5536007


He doesn't bring the "dead in HIm" with him........
 Quoting: Shamar


This is the thread you were on it its called nobody goes to heaven when you die

Thread: NOBODY GOES TO HEAVEN WHEN YOU DIE! "JUST CLEANING UP THE LIES" (Page 2)

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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I'll just leave you all hfbe......carry on ~
 Quoting: Shamar


For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.

AFter this we will reign with him on paradise in the earth
 Quoting: neim777


You should consider that the millennium is in heaven. At that time Satan is bound here on earth alone.

Since the dead do not go to heaven at death, when do they go? They go at the second coming. Jesus said he goes to prepare a place for us and will come again to take us there. At the second coming we meet him in the air and return to heaven.

After this millennium is when New Jerusalem comes down with the saints onboard landing on Mt Olive, followed by GWTJ and new earth.

[link to www.1000yearmillennium.com]

i think there's a short video about it here ..
[link to studies.itiswritten.com]


hf
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PARADISE WILL BE ON EARTH FOR A THOUSAND YEARS THEN A NEW HEAVEN WILL DESCEND REVEALTION CHAPTER 22
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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do you enjoy making me look like a fool? or is this just a gentle reminder?hf
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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Ok, but when was their 1,260 day testimony actually completed?

Wouldn't they have finished it (the 1st testament) before Jesus came back?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12042173


'Evening Morning 2,300'


Daniel chapter 8
8:13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

8:14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.


This is the reason I give little nuggets here and there to see who is thinking and you are sincerely seeking truth so we solve your puzzle now


messiah said unless these days be shortened none will survive but for the elct sake.

So I believe this and it is my opinion being stated here we are in that time frame when that big world war starts run run run

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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do you enjoy making me look like a fool? or is this just a gentle reminder?hf
 Quoting: Shamar


not trying to make you look like a fool.I thought you were funny asking me what you did seeing we discuss these things so many times.So I played along with you

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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-- I have come to believe that believers will make it through the wrath and be the first believers in the Millenial Kingdom.
 Quoting: Shamar




It seems so...


1 Corinthians 15:51
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,


Matthew 24:22
And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.





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-- I have come to believe that believers will make it through the wrath and be the first believers in the Millenial Kingdom.
 Quoting: Shamar




It seems so...


1 Corinthians 15:51
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,


Matthew 24:22
And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.





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sorry but the wrath of the father true believers will not be in the path of that destruction.look at the sixth seal what happens.Believers will be caught up and be part of messiahs army.

There will be days of cleaning up and getting the earth back together. Then there will be a settling in the millenial kingdom. I can prove that!

EZEK CHAPTER 39
39:7 So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.

39:8 Behold, it is come, and it is done, saith the Lord GOD; this is the day whereof I have spoken.

39:9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:

39:10 So that they shall take no wood out of the field, neither cut down any out of the forests; for they shall burn the weapons with fire: and they shall spoil those that spoiled them, and rob those that robbed them, saith the Lord GOD.

39:11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog.

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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THE REACHING OUT TO THE WICKED BEFORE THE MILLENIAL KINGDOAM IS SETUP

ISAIAH CHAPTER 66

66:18 For I know their works and their thoughts: it shall come, that I will gather all nations and tongues; and they shall come, and see my glory.

66:19 And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, to Tubal, and Javan, to the isles afar off, that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles.

66:20 And they shall bring all your brethren for an offering unto the LORD out of all nations upon horses, and in chariots, and in litters, and upon mules, and upon swift beasts, to my holy mountain Jerusalem, saith the LORD, as the children of Israel bring an offering in a clean vessel into the house of the LORD.

66:21 And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, saith the LORD.

66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.

66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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-- I have come to believe that believers will make it through the wrath and be the first believers in the Millenial Kingdom.
 Quoting: Shamar




It seems so...


1 Corinthians 15:51
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,


Matthew 24:22
And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.





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sorry but the wrath of the father true believers will not be in the path of that destruction.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar





Hello Neim!

We Agree!

God's chosen will not be in harm's way.

But,

Lot's wife was not so fortunate...


he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.

32Remember Lot's wife. (Luke 17)




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