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Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her?

 
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Re: Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her?
You have to stop thinking of "love" as human love.

A god's love would know each scenario and the outcomes of all possible scenarios. We are far too out of touch with reality to know all the tangents and scenarios. So the requirement of loving the god means to put the faith in the god, the being that knows the outcomes...makes sense to me. But alas I follow Asatru so I know there's a difference between man and god. ;)
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So, you are saying that we are not capable of knowing what is right for us, so God must make choices for us.

Not me. I am capable of making my own choices...

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Re: Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her?
I reign supreme over my kitties but they don't have to worship me for me to love them. I love them all equally, even the aloof or boring kitties. ^_^
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Kind of egotistical arrangement don't you think?
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Re: Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her?
There is an inherent nature in man to worship. Just ask Moses. What did he find when he brought the law down from Mount Sinai?

Today's worship in most churches = the mentality of worship of the golden calf. Why do you think the Puritans/Quakers had no worship in their services?

God doesn't desire sacrifice or worship....


Let me ask you this question if you are a parent. Do you expect your children to worship you?

Christianity is about conduct. It's not about worship. Worship is for idols. Idol worship was big in the days of the old testament. However, over the years the sin of idol worship (worship) has worked it's way into the church.

Honestly, do you really think God cares if you raise your arms in the air and dance around proclaiming how much you love him?... 'Hollywood' likes that.... but God does not.
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But, the God of Christianity stills punishes the so called "sins" of man and rewards his righteousness. We refer to this technique as "carrot and stick". That is no more than the way you control an animal...

Listen very carefully, if Christians talk about their god being their "Lord and Master". For a master there must also be a slave! Haven't you ever thought of this?
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Master? God is not our master!
Jesus adressed God as his father in heaven.

God is our father!
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The problem here is people think the Sovereign Creator needs our worship, praise, thanksgiving, and prayers. But truth is, it is we who need them. When we fail to acknowledge the One from whom all things come, we suffer. Prove it: When you really are/feel grateful for something -- say, a mate who truly loves you for who you are -- it is a wonderful experience or state of being. But when you don't, you don't experience the wonderful state of being. It's we who benefit from being grateful. And it is we who suffer when we choose to not appreciate and, rather, choose to remain at the lower elevation experiences that "So what?" or complaining attitudes give us. The Great Giver is blessed whether we appreciate the Giver or not, because the Giver knows what we're missing is the state of being/feeling blessed (bliss). Our loss, not the Giver's
Botha grateful and a bitter person can have the same things, yet two extremely different experiences, depending on the attitude they choose to have about them. Glass half full or half empty. One is happy, the other is afraid. Happiness and fear feel very different from each other. Likewise gratitude and ingratitude. The proof is in our own experiences as determined by our own attitudes, past, present and future.
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Re: Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her?
That question is not an attack. I honestly can't see how an advanced deity would ask that of anyone. Worship is just another form of slavery. Can't Christians see that?

I think if you stopped and considered this question it would trouble you. That is why many never question worship.

It doesn't matter what I think. Ask yourself if the concept of worship of another is right.

You decide.
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That is a great question and my answer is no. No real Creator God/dess would demand worship from its creations. That is so ego centered and childish. However, if one considers prayer not as worship but as connection to the spiritual source of life, than that makes sense to me. That's how I would view it - connection, discussion - just as I would with a parent or loved one. I don't worship them, but I try to stay at least somewhat connected.
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Re: Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her?
That question is not an attack. I honestly can't see how an advanced deity would ask that of anyone. Worship is just another form of slavery. Can't Christians see that?

I think if you stopped and considered this question it would trouble you. That is why many never question worship.

It doesn't matter what I think. Ask yourself if the concept of worship of another is right.

You decide.
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That is a great question and my answer is no. No real Creator God/dess would demand worship from its creations. That is so ego centered and childish. However, if one considers prayer not as worship but as connection to the spiritual source of life, than that makes sense to me. That's how I would view it - connection, discussion - just as I would with a parent or loved one. I don't worship them, but I try to stay at least somewhat connected.
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That's right.
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Re: Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her?
That question is not an attack. I honestly can't see how an advanced deity would ask that of anyone. Worship is just another form of slavery. Can't Christians see that?

I think if you stopped and considered this question it would trouble you. That is why many never question worship.

It doesn't matter what I think. Ask yourself if the concept of worship of another is right.

You decide.
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That is a great question and my answer is no. No real Creator God/dess would demand worship from its creations. That is so ego centered and childish. However, if one considers prayer not as worship but as connection to the spiritual source of life, than that makes sense to me. That's how I would view it - connection, discussion - just as I would with a parent or loved one. I don't worship them, but I try to stay at least somewhat connected.
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Update your Bible skills. God did demand very specific worship from the Israelites under Mosaic Law.

Are you grateful for being corrected here, or are you too proud?
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Re: Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her?
Welcome!!
There is a slave and a master in EVERY level of life(wether you like it or not!) and probably in every level after life!
Embrace it! There is no choice! SOMETHING or SOMEONE is always going to be the master and or slave. Peace
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Not me. No more!
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whatever

I hope you are happy in your delusion, that is the most important thing. :)
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Re: Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her?
That question is not an attack. I honestly can't see how an advanced deity would ask that of anyone. Worship is just another form of slavery. Can't Christians see that?

I think if you stopped and considered this question it would trouble you. That is why many never question worship.

It doesn't matter what I think. Ask yourself if the concept of worship of another is right.

You decide.
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That is a great question and my answer is no. No real Creator God/dess would demand worship from its creations. That is so ego centered and childish. However, if one considers prayer not as worship but as connection to the spiritual source of life, than that makes sense to me. That's how I would view it - connection, discussion - just as I would with a parent or loved one. I don't worship them, but I try to stay at least somewhat connected.
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That was a lovely and respectful reply. Thank you. And I agree completely. When I speak to my God, I go within and listen to my heart. It is not a master to slave arrangement.

My view of God is to imagine all life in the universe as a drop of water in the ocean of God. So, by this understanding, we are all an equal or fractal piece of God. All life in the universe and beyond are all brothers and sisters. We are also all equal pieces of God! In other words a part of God. Not lower than God, but a part of God. We are all Gods in a sense.

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Re: Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her?
I think considering worship and pray of others is what we see from and outward perceptive of others.

Some may see it and imitate it in a manner they say is following the way of prayer or worship.....even so they can join the others and be apart of it with them.

I think it is personal ways and choices and methods people decide to take part in...to fellowship together or to come together to pray to God.



I do not personally go that way but I understand why and what they are doing and what for.


I consider prayer communication......in what ever way I communicate......to pray is to speak to, request, ask, call for...

But I rarely do any except speak to and ask.....I ask because I do not know.......and I speak to because there is one listening and replying.......it is communication and two way.

I never ask not for things nor to receive things...but to understand things that I as a human can not understand nor can I seam to come to the answer of why these things are and how did they get this way and what is the main reason they are this way....the starting and the fueling or driving reason that keeps it going that way...

I only have my limited perceptive of first person out side viewing of the things and ways that move around me...or just what I see out of people or they tell me.

Yet I sometimes and a lot of times actually most all the time never go off this nor use this perception as my take of it or on it...

I ask the Lord what it is why is it I do this by telling Him what I see and what I think about it and even how I feel about it....with also telling him what i have judged in it all by my understanding.
But I communicate to him or pray as some call it so He will give me the truth of what I have picked up in my thoughts and thinking...and experiences.

I ask Him for His perspective which is asking his counsel...and for His understanding that comes form it I already know is found there so I seek Him as my guide to understanding and that is related to my walk down here and my way down here.........So I walk basically with Him not walk by my own understanding nor reasoning.

Because I have found His to be better and proven true and correct..even fixed allot of messes and entanglements and wrong impressions I had with others or with perception of things in my involvement......I rely on Him for He is reliable to me....I benefit from Him even in those things I mess up or get messed up in He can steer me out and around and past them....

When i stay close to Him in communicating and walking that way...I am not as bad of a person.

If I start moving away from Him the bad sides and worst natures in me start to grow in my way and the way I walk....which is the same as the way I am living.

I will find my own self unlikeable even to me because that myself becomes irritated easily offended easily and ready to horseplay and goof off and get obnoxious.....but truly get more stupider.......and stupider as the stupification process takes its lead I find my self stupifed when It hurt my self or miss out due to my lacking any reason or good motives or clear sound judgment of where I am and where I am going and what I am to be doing.............this way leads me then to a confused tangled up thinking that has to come to talk to God by communication through writing on paper back and forth my asking of Him and setting forth my thorn in me and what I did to push it in me....and how I have allowed my own self that is evil to fall into uncontrolled state by loosening my self control of that self..

I seek him in prayer on paper by pencil or pen...I talk He talks back I ask why and how and what is it and complain on my self and He .....states back that is this and that is that and this is the cause and that is the effect and yes you are a human and yes humans are this and that and subjected to their limitation......He clear it up and puts all in its right place my thinking that is my perception and view...basically my sight I and seeing by and mind I reason what I see or have seen..

I ask about Him things about Him...like what do you think about this...how do you feel about this...what do you want...why do you want us......why do you like us...why do you put up with that one...

I {pray} because I have someone to communicate with that I like conversing with because the conversation is fun delightful and actually rewarding to me and my life and being.....

My worship of him is nothing more than my walking with him in communication conversing to Him and rathering Him to be my answer and judge and counsel than any other..because He is actually always right and fixes things not just trows the verdict at me with out any understanding of how to fix the problem or even understand how the problem came about what actually causes it..started it.

I get excited communication with Him like I do when me and a human friend are communicating about something exciting and pleasant to think and talk of.....

I get excited and impressed with Him and "His self"...because He is cool and intriguing...He is a exquisite being to play with and spend time communicating with He sparks hope and delight and gratification and serenity He moves me inside mind and heart......He is desirous and when the desire to be with Him is and is so enjoyed I delight in that moment...I like Him I want Him I need Him I rather have Him....because He is better than any other thing or person or way He is the greatest and all is in Him I ever need to know or want to know or need to fix or need to get in me......it is there with Him found and received.............delighting in Him for what He is and who He is and what He has and does is worship I guess but I just call it fun and exciting and rewarding and fascinating....

There is the place inside us where we meet and talk it is in our minds but in this place we communicate heart to mind and as one we spend our selves to each other giving and receiving and it is what the scripture calls the secret place the inner chamber...the tent we meet in... .....it is the best of the best or any that is....

I can start by writing out what i am at ponder about ...and we begin to talk back and forth then blammo it is one I stop writing because I am now totally hyped and excited n what He has said and start giggling and loving the moment we are having and my amazement in Him I get carried away with Him .....then that puts me in a dream like state inside my my actually body and being gets lulled almost asleep...and communication is down and I will normally fall to sleep or just go off dazed like in a day dream....enjoying the effects he had on me and in me..

Why i the world would I waste my time talking to a rock that never gives me any input.....never fining anything out or there just my words bouncing off a rock..."no I want"

"I am a wanter"

I was created with the natural tendency to "want".

So it just come natural from birth on to always "want"

But that is the way He enters us and is unto us ours....by our "wantonness" ....that He draws unto Him and blammo fusion takes place and we are hooked on Him...because He is gooooooooooood.

He is the best I have ever had or can find there is no other like Him no where.......He possesses my soul and spirit my mind and heart....is obsesses with Him who is my obsession.....................and I would not have it any other way...because I like it I delighting it and get excited in it and have rewarding rewards or time spent and shared experiences with Him.

Oh yes God is a spirit but He is a wonderful good One that is not found any where but in that One.....none other will possess my mind nor my heart and take up as my souls obsession....no other spirit can hold a tail light to Him....it is a bond that just can not be broken like s spell it has you and you have it and not it will not be broken..it is a wild fire..

And I like it some may like a drug some may like a body some may like money ...some may like prestige and power....I like to feed off Him from Him I like to have Him...receive him and be with Him.

I do no need a place I do not need feed but am hungry nor warm I can be cold...it can be dark it can be light it can be sad it can be happy...I do not need anything at all to be with Him and have with Him something greater and more real and rewarding than any thing in this realm has to offer me.....So why ask for anything at all I do not need anything to make me any more the happier than what I have with Him......and I know everything will be done and is done for the betterment of all those whom He loves so why sweat it why sweat anything....just leave it to Him.

And calm your self and worried and fears in Him who leaves no doubt or what if's..He anchors your doubts and what if's in real hard unwavering ways that are His and never changes..even if we or the whole world changes He does not......so why worry for anything.....that is worship to me...it has ship in it and that means stay in the ship that has Him as an anchor and enjoy your time you are in it.
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Apparently, you are unaware of Proverbs 10:19 KJV, "In the multitude of words there wanteth not sin; but he that refraineth his lips is wise."

Did your post above have a multitude of words ... ? Yes? No? Afraid to say?
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Re: Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her?
Worship and prayer are merely tools to align one's will with that of the Creator of the universe. Our lives are much happier and more productive when we obey God's will instead of blindly following our baser instincts. In order to one day come in the presence of God, we need to become less "human" and more "Godlike."
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Do you actually obey God's Will?

Remember, no place in Scripture ever speaks of any Believer "trying" to obey God's Will, or of Jesus telling someone to "try" to obey His commands. They either do it, or they do not do it. Understand ... ?
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Not lower than God, but a part of God. We are all Gods in a sense.

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There is no "peace" for you.

The image of yours in a mirror is NEVER a part of you. The mirror will get broken with time. And the image will get distorted, shattered ...
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Re: Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her?
That question is not an attack. I honestly can't see how an advanced deity would ask that of anyone. Worship is just another form of slavery. Can't Christians see that?

I think if you stopped and considered this question it would trouble you. That is why many never question worship.

It doesn't matter what I think. Ask yourself if the concept of worship of another is right.

You decide.
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It would forgo the title supreme being if it required such praise. I would hope our creator has a nonexistant ego. I believe if we love and care for ourselves and others this would show our love for our source. Maybe there are entities parading as god that demand an egotistical ritual,but surely not the creator of all!
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Re: Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her?
That question is not an attack. I honestly can't see how an advanced deity would ask that of anyone. Worship is just another form of slavery. Can't Christians see that?

I think if you stopped and considered this question it would trouble you. That is why many never question worship.

It doesn't matter what I think. Ask yourself if the concept of worship of another is right.

You decide.
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It would forgo the title supreme being if it required such praise. I would hope our creator has a nonexistant ego. I believe if we love and care for ourselves and others this would show our love for our source. Maybe there are entities parading as god that demand an egotistical ritual,but surely not the creator of all!
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My point exactly. And that is the false god of most religions...
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Re: Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her?
Good for you OP. You can see what many still cannot see. Their vision is still somewhat blurry & fuzzy. Any Creator being/God who demands worship is not operating in a Love based environment. God knows that we will stumble many times along the way in our attempts to be like him. It is why he forgives us. He knows that we still have a long ways to go to be like him. All he wants is for us to Love him and all others & never stop doing our best to live our lives the same way that he lives his.
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Not lower than God, but a part of God. We are all Gods in a sense.

Peace
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There is no "peace" for you.

The image of yours in a mirror is NEVER a part of you. The mirror will get broken with time. And the image will get distorted, shattered ...
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Ha, ha. Actually I am very at peace with my understanding of my God.
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Not lower than God, but a part of God. We are all Gods in a sense.

Peace
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There is no "peace" for you.

The image of yours in a mirror is NEVER a part of you. The mirror will get broken with time. And the image will get distorted, shattered ...
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Ha, ha. Actually I am very at peace with my understanding of my God.
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There is NO such thing as "your God". But God of you. The Source is not yours it´s you who belongs to the Source. You are showing off a big deal of egocentrism already. God is in the opposite direction.
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Re: Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her?
That question is not an attack. I honestly can't see how an advanced deity would ask that of anyone. Worship is just another form of slavery. Can't Christians see that?

I think if you stopped and considered this question it would trouble you. That is why many never question worship.

It doesn't matter what I think. Ask yourself if the concept of worship of another is right.

You decide.
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As much as Parents desire their children rely on them (praying to God)for help, guidance, support, etc for instead of others as acting parents (idols) and parents desire to function in a way their children appreciate(admiring God is praising God). Same thing as human parents (made in his image).

BTW - if you don't have a personal relationship with God and Jesus Christ......you are not living.


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As much as Parents desire their children rely on them (praying to God)for help, guidance, support, etc for instead of others as acting parents (idols) and parents desire to function in a way their children appreciate(admiring God is praising God). Same thing as human parents (made in his image).

BTW - if you don't have a personal relationship with God and Jesus Christ......you are not living.


It takes time, turn the tube off!
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That comes to the crux of my thread. In my view, God is not a parent over his human children. We are each a true and equal PART of God! All equal to God, not inferior to God. Therefore we must make our own choices in life. I know that idea is completely contrary to most people's view of God.

I haven't had or watched a TV in 5 years...
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As much as Parents desire their children rely on them (praying to God)for help, guidance, support, etc for instead of others as acting parents (idols) and parents desire to function in a way their children appreciate(admiring God is praising God). Same thing as human parents (made in his image).

BTW - if you don't have a personal relationship with God and Jesus Christ......you are not living.


It takes time, turn the tube off!
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That comes to the crux of my thread. In my view, God is not a parent over his human children. We are each a true and equal PART of God! All equal to God, not inferior to God. Therefore we must make our own choices in life. I know that idea is completely contrary to most people's view of God.

I haven't had or watched a TV in 5 years...
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Who is John Galt?
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There is NO such thing as "your God". But God of you. The Source is not yours it´s you who belongs to the Source. You are showing off a big deal of egocentrism already. God is in the opposite direction.
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As I said earlier, our views are too far apart to find much common ground. All we can do is to agree to respectfully disagree.
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Who is John Galt?
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And what does Ayn Rand's novel Atlas Shrugged have to do with this thread? You lost me.
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I find it pointless to attempt to put a sepreme entity many orders of magnitude beyond my comprehension into a box.
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Re: Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her?
Welcome!!
There is a slave and a master in EVERY level of life(wether you like it or not!) and probably in every level after life!
Embrace it! There is no choice! SOMETHING or SOMEONE is always going to be the master and or slave. Peace
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Not me. No more!
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whatever

I hope you are happy in your delusion, that is the most important thing. :)
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I am very happy. Thanks
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Re: Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her?
We cannot consider ourselves as equal with the Creator any more than finite can equate itself with the infinite, even though the finite have infinite potential. That's where all kinds of errors arise. If we leave the Almighty out of His/Her rightful position above all created things and beings, we deceive ourselves. Like the self-proclaimed pope is deceived, and cult leaders are deceived, along with everyone who believes them and submits their free will to theirs. This is the mind of the "beast" or boastful little horn (Deut. 8:17-21; Daniel 4; Dan.7-8 [:25].) Nebuchadnezzar had to learn his true place the hard way. When he did, he recognized his previous belief (4:30) as insanity (Dan. 4:34-37). I cannot stress how important this is: to exalt the Creator alone as above ourselves and everyone else. Had the founders of this nation (and other nations) realized this truth, they would have respected the native people and learned from them how to take care of the beautiful pristine environment. But they chose to exalt themselves and forget God and what do we have today? An environment that is threatening to destroy us rather than support us.
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Re: Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her?
That question is not an attack. I honestly can't see how an advanced deity would ask that of anyone. Worship is just another form of slavery. Can't Christians see that?

I think if you stopped and considered this question it would trouble you. That is why many never question worship.

It doesn't matter what I think. Ask yourself if the concept of worship of another is right.

You decide.
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It would forgo the title supreme being if it required such praise. I would hope our creator has a nonexistant ego. I believe if we love and care for ourselves and others this would show our love for our source. Maybe there are entities parading as god that demand an egotistical ritual,but surely not the creator of all!
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yep and this is called a demiurge, a pretender coming into your house and saying hey i'm god your creator worship me bitches or i'm gonna be furious and destroy you all whip

immature, degenerate and sadistic psycho = not our creator, just look at us, we are gifted with so many stuff, a gorgeous planet to live on etc

this is so obvious seriously, the great pretender will always treat you like a slave and a piece of shit: be afraid creatures because i'm above you, follow my stupid and cruel rules or i will punish you and give me a bunch of virgins and children sacrifices because i love blood lala

come on the source is just totally not like this, what will be the point to create us and give us free will?

we are a dream put into reality using love and respect period.

some people are just insane enough to relate themselves to a bloody monster, this is not normal to just accept this idea...
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Re: Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her?
You have to stop thinking of "love" as human love.

A god's love would know each scenario and the outcomes of all possible scenarios. We are far too out of touch with reality to know all the tangents and scenarios. So the requirement of loving the god means to put the faith in the god, the being that knows the outcomes...makes sense to me. But alas I follow Asatru so I know there's a difference between man and god. ;)
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So, you are saying that we are not capable of knowing what is right for us, so God must make choices for us.

Not me. I am capable of making my own choices...
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"I know, O LORD, that a man's life is not his own; it is not for man to direct his steps."

He set before us two choices: life and good, and death and evil. The first is gained through obedience and faith, the second through disobedience and rebellion.

You think that you are capable of making your own choices, but so do those who think "good is evil and evil is good". Millions on this planet already view you as a parasite on the back of their 'mother earth', and are actively supporting those who want to actually accomplish it. But you may protest that you are a good person and make good choices, but again, your definition of 'good' may not align with your Creator's definition of 'good'. The point is this: God could have created little robots to reign and administer Christ's Kingdom, but He didn't. He created man in His likeness and Image and therefore they must also overcome evil and death by completely disowning it and aligning themselves with His Will. If you could see why disobedience and disrespect is so encouraged today, you'd understand why people now abhor the idea of praising their creator or relinquishing their mind to their creator, The young people are raging against Jesus now because of the indoctrination and lies given to them by Satan, and your post is similar. It's defiance based on the world, not by any knowledge imparted to you by your creator. That defiance is growing in the very hearts that will be judged.
And that should tell you the end of the Age is fast approaching.
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Re: Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her?
I think considering worship and pray of others is what we see from and outward perceptive of others.

Some may see it and imitate it in a manner they say is following the way of prayer or worship.....even so they can join the others and be apart of it with them.

I think it is personal ways and choices and methods people decide to take part in...to fellowship together or to come together to pray to God.



I do not personally go that way but I understand why and what they are doing and what for.


I consider prayer communication......in what ever way I communicate......to pray is to speak to, request, ask, call for...

But I rarely do any except speak to and ask.....I ask because I do not know.......and I speak to because there is one listening and replying.......it is communication and two way.

I never ask not for things nor to receive things...but to understand things that I as a human can not understand nor can I seam to come to the answer of why these things are and how did they get this way and what is the main reason they are this way....the starting and the fueling or driving reason that keeps it going that way...

I only have my limited perceptive of first person out side viewing of the things and ways that move around me...or just what I see out of people or they tell me.

Yet I sometimes and a lot of times actually most all the time never go off this nor use this perception as my take of it or on it...

I ask the Lord what it is why is it I do this by telling Him what I see and what I think about it and even how I feel about it....with also telling him what i have judged in it all by my understanding.
But I communicate to him or pray as some call it so He will give me the truth of what I have picked up in my thoughts and thinking...and experiences.

I ask Him for His perspective which is asking his counsel...and for His understanding that comes form it I already know is found there so I seek Him as my guide to understanding and that is related to my walk down here and my way down here.........So I walk basically with Him not walk by my own understanding nor reasoning.

Because I have found His to be better and proven true and correct..even fixed allot of messes and entanglements and wrong impressions I had with others or with perception of things in my involvement......I rely on Him for He is reliable to me....I benefit from Him even in those things I mess up or get messed up in He can steer me out and around and past them....

When i stay close to Him in communicating and walking that way...I am not as bad of a person.

If I start moving away from Him the bad sides and worst natures in me start to grow in my way and the way I walk....which is the same as the way I am living.

I will find my own self unlikeable even to me because that myself becomes irritated easily offended easily and ready to horseplay and goof off and get obnoxious.....but truly get more stupider.......and stupider as the stupification process takes its lead I find my self stupifed when It hurt my self or miss out due to my lacking any reason or good motives or clear sound judgment of where I am and where I am going and what I am to be doing.............this way leads me then to a confused tangled up thinking that has to come to talk to God by communication through writing on paper back and forth my asking of Him and setting forth my thorn in me and what I did to push it in me....and how I have allowed my own self that is evil to fall into uncontrolled state by loosening my self control of that self..

I seek him in prayer on paper by pencil or pen...I talk He talks back I ask why and how and what is it and complain on my self and He .....states back that is this and that is that and this is the cause and that is the effect and yes you are a human and yes humans are this and that and subjected to their limitation......He clear it up and puts all in its right place my thinking that is my perception and view...basically my sight I and seeing by and mind I reason what I see or have seen..

I ask about Him things about Him...like what do you think about this...how do you feel about this...what do you want...why do you want us......why do you like us...why do you put up with that one...

I {pray} because I have someone to communicate with that I like conversing with because the conversation is fun delightful and actually rewarding to me and my life and being.....

My worship of him is nothing more than my walking with him in communication conversing to Him and rathering Him to be my answer and judge and counsel than any other..because He is actually always right and fixes things not just trows the verdict at me with out any understanding of how to fix the problem or even understand how the problem came about what actually causes it..started it.

I get excited communication with Him like I do when me and a human friend are communicating about something exciting and pleasant to think and talk of.....

I get excited and impressed with Him and "His self"...because He is cool and intriguing...He is a exquisite being to play with and spend time communicating with He sparks hope and delight and gratification and serenity He moves me inside mind and heart......He is desirous and when the desire to be with Him is and is so enjoyed I delight in that moment...I like Him I want Him I need Him I rather have Him....because He is better than any other thing or person or way He is the greatest and all is in Him I ever need to know or want to know or need to fix or need to get in me......it is there with Him found and received.............delighting in Him for what He is and who He is and what He has and does is worship I guess but I just call it fun and exciting and rewarding and fascinating....

There is the place inside us where we meet and talk it is in our minds but in this place we communicate heart to mind and as one we spend our selves to each other giving and receiving and it is what the scripture calls the secret place the inner chamber...the tent we meet in... .....it is the best of the best or any that is....

I can start by writing out what i am at ponder about ...and we begin to talk back and forth then blammo it is one I stop writing because I am now totally hyped and excited n what He has said and start giggling and loving the moment we are having and my amazement in Him I get carried away with Him .....then that puts me in a dream like state inside my my actually body and being gets lulled almost asleep...and communication is down and I will normally fall to sleep or just go off dazed like in a day dream....enjoying the effects he had on me and in me..

Why i the world would I waste my time talking to a rock that never gives me any input.....never fining anything out or there just my words bouncing off a rock..."no I want"

"I am a wanter"

I was created with the natural tendency to "want".

So it just come natural from birth on to always "want"

But that is the way He enters us and is unto us ours....by our "wantonness" ....that He draws unto Him and blammo fusion takes place and we are hooked on Him...because He is gooooooooooood.

He is the best I have ever had or can find there is no other like Him no where.......He possesses my soul and spirit my mind and heart....is obsesses with Him who is my obsession.....................and I would not have it any other way...because I like it I delighting it and get excited in it and have rewarding rewards or time spent and shared experiences with Him.

Oh yes God is a spirit but He is a wonderful good One that is not found any where but in that One.....none other will possess my mind nor my heart and take up as my souls obsession....no other spirit can hold a tail light to Him....it is a bond that just can not be broken like s spell it has you and you have it and not it will not be broken..it is a wild fire..

And I like it some may like a drug some may like a body some may like money ...some may like prestige and power....I like to feed off Him from Him I like to have Him...receive him and be with Him.

I do no need a place I do not need feed but am hungry nor warm I can be cold...it can be dark it can be light it can be sad it can be happy...I do not need anything at all to be with Him and have with Him something greater and more real and rewarding than any thing in this realm has to offer me.....So why ask for anything at all I do not need anything to make me any more the happier than what I have with Him......and I know everything will be done and is done for the betterment of all those whom He loves so why sweat it why sweat anything....just leave it to Him.

And calm your self and worried and fears in Him who leaves no doubt or what if's..He anchors your doubts and what if's in real hard unwavering ways that are His and never changes..even if we or the whole world changes He does not......so why worry for anything.....that is worship to me...it has ship in it and that means stay in the ship that has Him as an anchor and enjoy your time you are in it.
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In your post above you said "I," "MY," "ME" a total of 138 times. What does that say about what you are focused upon?
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Re: Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her?
yep and this is called a demiurge, a pretender coming into your house and saying hey i'm god your creator worship me bitches or i'm gonna be furious and destroy you all whip

immature, degenerate and sadistic psycho = not our creator, just look at us, we are gifted with so many stuff, a gorgeous planet to live on etc

this is so obvious seriously, the great pretender will always treat you like a slave and a piece of shit: be afraid creatures because i'm above you, follow my stupid and cruel rules or i will punish you and give me a bunch of virgins and children sacrifices because i love blood lala

come on the source is just totally not like this, what will be the point to create us and give us free will?

we are a dream put into reality using love and respect period.

some people are just insane enough to relate themselves to a bloody monster, this is not normal to just accept this idea...
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I agree with this post completely. Why can't people see this?

Sad.

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In your post above you said "I," "MY," "ME" a total of 138 times. What does that say about what you are focused upon?
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Thank you, yes! Good post.

All about ego/mind.

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