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Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her?

 
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God doesn't demand worship, but merely instructs us that when we worship Him it is beneficial to us. You're right. He doesn't need our worship.

But we need to see that we are dependent on Source.

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Re: Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her?
Consider this. All slave masters demand worship. They all want to be revered. It is a power thing, therefore it is evil.

Any advanced being that asks to be worshiped is either a false god or it only exists in your mind. Which is it?
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you have it exactly right and christians can't see that their fake love for the psychopathic god is a form of slavery

and it is the ultimate mid control, the jewish priests who wrote the bible wanted to force everyone to worship their power, it has absolutely nothing to do with "god"

christianity is in reality judaism for gentiles, and when christians worship (whoreship) Jehovah what they are doing is worshipping the jewish power structure

this is why christians are jewish whores

just look at how 70 million zionist christians slavishly vote and support zionist/jewish caused wars and destruction

best author on the internet on this topic is Phishna

listen to Charles Giuliani at oracle broadcasting, there is an archived web page

also check out internet writer John Kaminski, johnkaminski.info
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God doesn't demand worship, but merely instructs us that when we worship Him it is beneficial to us. You're right. He doesn't need our worship.

But we need to see that we are dependent on Source.
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I see it differently. I see us as an equal fractal/piece of source. Therefore we are here to learn FOR the One True Creator and to remember our true heritage.
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Logic should dictate your actions.

But number one, we were created by Him.

Two, God did not at first demand worship, ie in the garden. Only after we disobeyed and acquired the knowledge between good and evil did God require obedience.

Three, God is the Supreme Being in this existence, no way around that, resistance is futile.

Four, He does love us or why would He provide a Son as a one time sacrifice for ALL of mankind to be reconciled to Him. He could have destroyed Adam and Eve for that disobedience, but He chose to allow them to live on.

Five, He foresaw that they would rebel, it was His plan all along.

Six, we don't know the complete story, so we grasp at any evidence that comes along to try and make sense of it, when we should just leave well enough alone.

Seven, and on the seventh, a man created in God's own image rested.
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Re: Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her?
Would a loving, caring mother and father desire appreciation and respect from their children?

That's on a human thinking scale.

Now expand that thought to the divine (unknown).


It's not a far leap to see how it fits.
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nice thread bro...

slave and master, conquerer and conquered, black and white, civil and wild, nature and society, men and women...their all dichonomies, social constructs, they dont really exist except when we want them to, and when someone can benefit from em..
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Re: Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her?
Would a loving, caring mother and father desire appreciation and respect from their children?

That's on a human thinking scale.

Now expand that thought to the divine (unknown).


It's not a far leap to see how it fits.
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interesting, and true in our current society....but I doubt it was always the case
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do your parents want you to worship them?
no

if your parents don't expect you to bow down and chant whatever stupid stuff to thx them for being born and to show them respect for what they are for you, why a supreme being far more intelligent/sentient/wise would want you to act like this?

your question doesn't trouble me, it's a simple and relevant question.

show respect that's all.

only a megalomaniac psycho would want this kind of toxic submissive and destructive relation with others beings = this is not supreme this is insane.
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I agree.
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Me too! I have often thought a loving God wouldn't require worship and heaven forbid sacrifice--like the blood sacrifice of virgins and children (Aztecs) and others. I like to think of a source that is as a loving parent, the earth a loving mother and god a loving father--organized religion is corrupt by its very nature.

Being thoughtful and having an open exchange of thoughts--prayer like communication, not worship. The God of the old testament and the God of the new seem like polar opposites to me.
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Would a loving, caring mother and father desire appreciation and respect from their children?

That's on a human thinking scale.

Now expand that thought to the divine (unknown).


It's not a far leap to see how it fits.
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Appreciation and respect are much different than worship and resolving "sins". One is unconditional love and the other is control and power. Worship and resolving sins is just a disguise for slavery.

We have gotten so blind that we can't even see the difference!

Remember and become free.
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OP, I see the problem here as a matter of perspective. In my opinion, you are unable to view this objectively.

Here is an analogy (parable), to attempt to elevate your understanding.

You discipline and teach your dogs not to leave the yard, for in the highway is certain death.

OH NO you say.......GOD made the highway, invalid.......

OK, let us alter the analogy.

You have, on your property a plastics extrusion facility, which, if you know anything about plastics extrusion, has pools of acid that will eat the meat of your dogs and dissolve the bones right quickly. (You made this place.)

You teach you dogs not to leave the yard because even the fumes of your facility is certain death. Your dogs have no comprehension of what plastics extrusion even is, they are simply unable to comprehend this concept.

So, do you demand the obediance of you dogs because you hate them or love them?


See OP, there are many things in the univers, some for puposes you cannot comprehend yet could indeed become entangled or destroyed in.


Looking at reality subjectively is not the path to understanding, you create barriers in your own mind. Try to understand the universe does not revolve around your ego.
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Love is a phone that spends time buried under a chaos of pillows.

Can be followed but never be seen.
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Re: Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her?
On the descending spiral of involution of spirit into matter, reality is subjective. On the evolutionary upward spiral, consciousness is objective. The objective reality we must all one day face is the fact of deity! Ultimately there is ONE God the creator of all. Graditude for our beingness will one day be a spontaneous act as the creature learns to appreciate the creation and his benevolent and loving creator!Until that time we are both created and we create as the life wave known as the human race continues it's evolutionary journey throughout the cosmos. Having a bad attitude is entirely optional!
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Maybe this parable that I wrote a while back will help some understand this control. Guess who the sheepdog is...

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There once was an old owl that lived in the trees at the edge of a large green pasture. After a noontime meal, he would often sit in a tree overlooking a beautiful green pasture with a flock of sheep below. He was sleepily resting when a very large, black sheepdog came to lie in the shade of the tree to avoid the hot afternoon sun.

Noticing the owl sitting in the tree above, the dog said, "Look at those stupid sheep. They have no idea how much we do for them. If it wasn't for us, they would all be eaten by the wolves in no time. They should worship us, not our master! He is never around. We control this pasture."

The old owl said, "Does it never bother you controlling and ruling them the way you do?" "Bother me? Ha, ha!", said the dog, "Fool! Without us the many predators would eat them in no time at all! We are saving them! They need us. They have no idea how much work it is controlling them! Look, they don't even realize that we control them! Ha, ha. In fact, it makes them feel more secure knowing that we are here to protect them."

"Every once in a while, some young ram full of life will try and show his prowess, but we quickly put him in his place. He doesn't try that again I can tell you.", said the sheep dog with a slight grin. "They soon learn that they are not in control here, we are.", he said sternly.

The owl said to the sheep dog, "but don't you realize that you are controlled by humans the same as the sheep?" "Rubbish!, said the sheep dog, "We control this pasture! We tell the sheep where to go and when to do it, he said proudly." The old owl listened quietly and then asked after a short silence, "But you don't get to eat the tasty mutton, the humans do, is that not so? So who is really in control?"

This caused the sheep dog to fly into a rage. Showing his teeth he said to the owl, "If you were not up in that tree, I would eat you right now to show you who rules this pasture! Not humans!" The old owl chuckled at this bravado and said to the dog, "I don't fear your threats, I am not part of your silly game. That is why I spend my time alone, quietly watching this struggle from the trees. It does not concern me."

"Then why are you here?" said the dog, still angry from this affront. "To watch and to learn, just like you", said the owl. "Watching is all well and good, but power and control are what really matters! I am in control of my destiny, unlike these stupid sheep!", said the dog. The dog was still irritated at the turn in the conversation finally said, "I have to get back to work. The master will be coming soon to select a couple of lambs for his dinner. You can get back to your dreaming. I have work to do!"

The dog then returned to the field, angrily snapping at the heels of a couple of lambs straying too far from the flock. The old owl then returned to his watching and to his afternoon dreaming.

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OP, I see the problem here as a matter of perspective. In my opinion, you are unable to view this objectively.

Here is an analogy (parable), to attempt to elevate your understanding.

You discipline and teach your dogs not to leave the yard, for in the highway is certain death.

OH NO you say.......GOD made the highway, invalid.......

OK, let us alter the analogy.

You have, on your property a plastics extrusion facility, which, if you know anything about plastics extrusion, has pools of acid that will eat the meat of your dogs and dissolve the bones right quickly. (You made this place.)

You teach your dogs not to leave the yard because even the fumes of your facility is certain death. Your dogs have no comprehension of what plastics extrusion even is, they are simply unable to comprehend this concept.

So, do you demand the obediance of your dogs because you hate them or love them?


See OP, there are many things in the univers, some for puposes you cannot comprehend yet could indeed become entangled or destroyed in.


Looking at reality subjectively is not the path to understanding, you create barriers in your own mind. Try to understand the universe does not revolve around your ego.
 Quoting: Swordtongue



false! hell is not accidental, God intends to TROW U 2 HELL if you don't accept Jesus by FORCE
 Quoting: ST roleplaying as the OP




A ha! You fell for my trap. Excellent. Suprised it took you so long.


You see OP, theres a little more to the story, I left out a few parts because it's long and complicated.


Fact is, you have many dogs, some you aquired by desire, other strays you took in. Now the dog seed is mixed. Some of your dogs have been causing trouble in the neighborhood, so much trouble not only do you have to move but also there is legal action against you forthcoming. At this point, you have determined some of the dogs are simply worthless, and you are going to throw them into the acid pits, and be done with them forever. They will not be tormented eternally, simply cease to exist, actually the real meaning of the mistranslated concept of hell.

It is not worth your time to sort them, you will let them sort themselves, so you have erected a corral outside your yard fence, the dogs that continue to escape will be corralled and dispathed with.


After the bad dogs are gone, you and the good dogs are moving on to a future so bright, so amazing, a universe of endless possibilities made even better by the absense of the evil dogs.


Please bear in mind that your dogs cannot comprehend the situation, all they know is disobediance brings wrath. Obedience brings reward.


Also remember this is an analogy(parable), and you will be required to harness your brain.

Good luck!
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"I do not concern myself with gods and spirits either good or evil nor do I serve
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Maybe this parable that I wrote a while back will help some understand this control. Guess who the sheepdog is...

=====================================

There once was an old owl that lived in the trees at the edge of a large green pasture. After a noontime meal, he would often sit in a tree overlooking a beautiful green pasture with a flock of sheep below. He was sleepily resting when a very large, black sheepdog came to lie in the shade of the tree to avoid the hot afternoon sun.

Noticing the owl sitting in the tree above, the dog said, "Look at those stupid sheep. They have no idea how much we do for them. If it wasn't for us, they would all be eaten by the wolves in no time. They should worship us, not our master! He is never around. We control this pasture."

The old owl said, "Does it never bother you controlling and ruling them the way you do?" "Bother me? Ha, ha!", said the dog, "Fool! Without us the many predators would eat them in no time at all! We are saving them! They need us. They have no idea how much work it is controlling them! Look, they don't even realize that we control them! Ha, ha. In fact, it makes them feel more secure knowing that we are here to protect them."

"Every once in a while, some young ram full of life will try and show his prowess, but we quickly put him in his place. He doesn't try that again I can tell you.", said the sheep dog with a slight grin. "They soon learn that they are not in control here, we are.", he said sternly.

The owl said to the sheep dog, "but don't you realize that you are controlled by humans the same as the sheep?" "Rubbish!, said the sheep dog, "We control this pasture! We tell the sheep where to go and when to do it, he said proudly." The old owl listened quietly and then asked after a short silence, "But you don't get to eat the tasty mutton, the humans do, is that not so? So who is really in control?"

This caused the sheep dog to fly into a rage. Showing his teeth he said to the owl, "If you were not up in that tree, I would eat you right now to show you who rules this pasture! Not humans!" The old owl chuckled at this bravado and said to the dog, "I don't fear your threats, I am not part of your silly game. That is why I spend my time alone, quietly watching this struggle from the trees. It does not concern me."

"Then why are you here?" said the dog, still angry from this affront. "To watch and to learn, just like you", said the owl. "Watching is all well and good, but power and control are what really matters! I am in control of my destiny, unlike these stupid sheep!", said the dog. The dog was still irritated at the turn in the conversation finally said, "I have to get back to work. The master will be coming soon to select a couple of lambs for his dinner. You can get back to your dreaming. I have work to do!"

The dog then returned to the field, angrily snapping at the heels of a couple of lambs straying too far from the flock. The old owl then returned to his watching and to his afternoon dreaming.

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oops sorry OP I didn't think you were gonna reply back so I replied for you in my previous post!


Thats a nice story, now compare it to mine.


The difference?

Mine is from the perspective of God, yours is from the perspective of Dog.(and the other animals)


See? Subjective vs. Objective, just like I said before.
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or rather, Objective vs. Subjective I should say
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See OP, there are many things in the univers, some for puposes you cannot comprehend yet could indeed become entangled or destroyed in.

Please bear in mind that your dogs cannot comprehend the situation, all they know is disobediance brings wrath. Obedience brings reward.

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I have no desire to play mental chess. Cleverness is not wisdom.

I will only say that we are not stupid lost animals that need to be protected from the world. This attitude has led us to the slavery we find ourselves trapped within.

I don't think you are after understanding, but mind games.

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I have no desire to play mental chess. Cleverness is not wisdom.

I will only say that we are not stupid lost animals that need to be protected from the world. This attitude has led us to the slavery we find ourselves trapped within.

I don't think you are after understanding, but mind games.

Peace
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hey, I'm fine with your copout argument!


you see walls, I see a box


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You cannot command love, you maybe cannot necessarilly even earn love. But you can (if your God) create love), but that doesn't really seem to be happening either. So if you think love is going to change everything, well, that's an illusion. But if you try a little bit you will find you can care, and and that will go a long way.
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I have no desire to play mental chess. Cleverness is not wisdom.

I will only say that we are not stupid lost animals that need to be protected from the world. This attitude has led us to the slavery we find ourselves trapped within.

I don't think you are after understanding, but mind games.

Peace
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well OP I simply can't resist, I must clarify my argument, since you are too confident in your deception to respond, well, then this is for other readers


So, you don't like my animal story but your animal story is valid, oh thats right we are not dumb animals. Got it.

We do not need to be protected from the world? Which world are you living in?

here is the crux;

You claim that by proposing a statement that to you is a paradox, you magically know everything about the universe, even outside the universe, (you would have to to know if there is a supreme diety or not) what a ridiculous concept that by playing a word game you become omniscient!

You accuse me of mental chess? The entire premise of this thread is mental chess!


I claim that there is possibility you have not considered, I give a hypothetical example which you do not address.


Face it OP, your mind is closed.

Do yourself a favor and think about it.
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I have no desire to play mental chess. Cleverness is not wisdom.

I will only say that we are not stupid lost animals that need to be protected from the world. This attitude has led us to the slavery we find ourselves trapped within.

I don't think you are after understanding, but mind games.

Peace
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well OP I simply can't resist, I must clarify my argument, since you are too confident in your deception to respond, well, then this is for other readers


So, you don't like my animal story but your animal story is valid, oh thats right we are not dumb animals. Got it.

We do not need to be protected from the world? Which world are you living in?

here is the crux;

You claim that by proposing a statement that to you is a paradox, you magically know everything about the universe, even outside the universe, (you would have to to know if there is a supreme diety or not) what a ridiculous concept that by playing a word game you become omniscient!

You accuse me of mental chess? The entire premise of this thread is mental chess!


I claim that there is possibility you have not considered, I give a hypothetical example which you do not address.


Face it OP, your mind is closed.

Do yourself a favor and think about it.
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I really shouldn't reply to you, but I see that you have a good heart, so I will.

First, I don't expect anyone to believe a word that I have said in this thread. I have expressed what I believe and everyone is free to believe as they wish. I would only ask that people take some time alone and think about these ideas. If it feels wrong, just move on. If however, these ideas feel right in your heart, pursue them further on your own. Your choice.

To your post. The only way any of us will ever know what is true concerning these spiritual ideas is by going within and listening to what your heart tells you is right. Don't believe what I say or a priest, a master, a guru, a teacher or any other so call "aware" person. You must follow your own path. That is all that I have been saying here.

The only way we will ever really be free is by believing that we are wise, advanced and spiritually aware enough to make our own choices. No one can make them for us.

My friend, I hope that we can treat each others views with respect and not expect others to believe what we believe. I am not challenging your views, only stating my own. Then the choice is up to you.

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Re: Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her?
That question is not an attack. I honestly can't see how an advanced deity would ask that of anyone. Worship is just another form of slavery. Can't Christians see that?

I think if you stopped and considered this question it would trouble you. That is why many never question worship.

It doesn't matter what I think. Ask yourself if the concept of worship of another is right.

You decide.
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My friend I agree with you one hundred percent but here amongst limited intelligence you are trying to sell mirrors in the city of the blind.
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I really shouldn't reply to you, but I see that you have a good heart, so I will.

First, I don't expect anyone to believe a word that I have said in this thread. I have expressed what I believe and everyone is free to believe as they wish. I would only ask that people take some time alone and think about these ideas. If it feels wrong, just move on. If however, these ideas feel right in your heart, pursue them further on your own. Your choice.

To your post. The only way any of us will ever know what is true concerning these spiritual ideas is by going within and listening to what your heart tells you is right. Don't believe what I say or a priest, a master, a guru, a teacher or any other so call "aware" person. You must follow your own path. That is all that I have been saying here.

The only way we will ever really be free is by believing that we are wise, advanced and spiritually aware enough to make our own choices. No one can make them for us.

My friend, I hope that we can treat each others views with respect and not expect others to believe what we believe. I am not challenging your views, only stating my own. Then the choice is up to you.

Peace
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fair enough


I have no desire to argue any of that, glad we have found common ground!


Peace
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The question pre-supposes that the answerer understands perfectly what a supreme being desires and wants. And that means, the person who asks the question does not have a clue as to the answer themselves. It is my humble opinion, that God created us for fellowship with Himself, and only desires the effection of those who would seek Him out, (since He also desires to be hidden from certain people)rather than to have to put up with the lying lips of those who are seeking that fellowship for their own selfish purpose. So your question is not a straight forward question becuse it pre-supposes too much.
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We are a faithful family and pray every day, even over meals (because I feel giving thanks is important). Sometimes we even ad hoc it and go around the table saying specific things we are thankful for, because truly, a 'routine' prayer loses its effectiveness when it becomes justa movement of the mouth before one gets to eat.

However, we do not go to church because I no longer believe in organized religion (born, raised, baptized, confirmed as a catholic earlier in life). That being said, I don't mind if my children choose to participate; so when my daughter asked to go to wednesday night bible/youth group with her friend, I said sure.

So she had been going for a few weeks when we were driving along the street one evening and passed a sign for a different church that said 'Worship Service' with some different dates/times posted.

She said "Why do they call it worship?"

I said "Interesting question, what do you think?"

She said "I don't know, but I don't like that word. It makes me think of being a slave."

I nodded and said "That's kind of how I have always felt."

Kids say the darnedest things. She was about 11 years old at the time.
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By worshipping God, we acknowledge that we believe, same with Praying. Praying is very important, not just when we 'need' something but being honest with ourselves & God is so important and it builds our Faith. God listens to us all and loves everyone so much, if only everyone knew that.4454
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That question is not an attack. I honestly can't see how an advanced deity would ask that of anyone. Worship is just another form of slavery. Can't Christians see that?

I think if you stopped and considered this question it would trouble you. That is why many never question worship.

It doesn't matter what I think. Ask yourself if the concept of worship of another is right.

You decide.
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read the Holy Bible.It is all in there.
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Re: Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her?
Loving Supreme being {Desire} worship & prayer. No. And it knows when you've been bad or good for goodness sake. It's the Ego Identity that desires fixing or help or salvation from it's own inner conflicts of the thinking mind going haywire on psychology emotion warfare. When this Supreme Being knows the ID ego will comply to itself and deeply understand that all these good n' bad turmoil thinking pattern scripts playing out within it's own conscious or unconscious mind which are timebase isn't it kind of senseless to continue this zombie-like state. Where is it leading to? More emotional breakdowns. If you believe you are this loving Supreme being of Light [above the material time world] concepts of possessions, control, emotional bondage or baggage, loving this or that on a selfish level, etc. Than you are handling the truth of your nature non-material, which isn't time bound, physical living in concepts of thought. Are any of these thoughts, emotions your doing?

You were born with a beginners mind, joyful content loving mind. Than comes along programming by parents by their parents, grandparents [Johnny, you've got to wear this, do this, say this; because it makes me happy or sad], siblings, family, friends, society, cultures,etc., and you agreed or disagreed to your needs & wants, desires. All material-time related. This Loving Supreme Being is merely a label, it hasn't a time bound form or name, we call it many names or labeling it for our own emotional security desires. I've prayed to this Loving Supreme Being that Loves everyone without conditions, judgements and it answered. And, I'm grateful, plus I'm not Christian or any religion. I will always keep it's answer within my non-conditioning heart and follow it's message through. I won't describe whether it's a he or she. I don't live in time bound contraptions of either or, or favor this or that, he or she, us or them, all these words concepts are conditions we were programmed to follow under the authority of education-communication. Neither good or bad, it is what it is! banana2
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Re: Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her?
We are a faithful family and pray every day, even over meals (because I feel giving thanks is important). Sometimes we even ad hoc it and go around the table saying specific things we are thankful for, because truly, a 'routine' prayer loses its effectiveness when it becomes justa movement of the mouth before one gets to eat.

However, we do not go to church because I no longer believe in organized religion (born, raised, baptized, confirmed as a catholic earlier in life). That being said, I don't mind if my children choose to participate; so when my daughter asked to go to wednesday night bible/youth group with her friend, I said sure.

So she had been going for a few weeks when we were driving along the street one evening and passed a sign for a different church that said 'Worship Service' with some different dates/times posted.

She said "Why do they call it worship?"

I said "Interesting question, what do you think?"

She said "I don't know, but I don't like that word. It makes me think of being a slave."

I nodded and said "That's kind of how I have always felt."

Kids say the darnedest things. She was about 11 years old at the time.
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Wisdom from the mouths of babes.

I am obviously not a Christian, but I love this quote from the Gospel of Thomas:

Jesus said, "The man old in days will not hesitate to ask a
small child seven days old about the place of life, and he will live. For many who are first will become last, and they will become one and the same."