Simple straight forward question. Would a loving supreme being desire that you worship and pray to him/her?

If they didnt require worship would they still be a supreme being? I would think they would only be supreme when their peers elevate them to that title.

Otherwise they would just "be".

Consider this. All slave masters demand worship. They all want to be revered. It is a power thing, therefore it is evil.

Any advanced being that asks to be worshiped is either a false god or it only exists in your mind. Which is it?

I am sorry that you are having a hard time understanding love, it is a two way street. Praying to God can be looked at as analogous to praying for someone else (a loved one), because what you give comes back magnified in your life.

Worship is joyful and again does as much, if not more, for the worshiper, than the portion God keeps as a token of your love and devotion.

For me, love for another is an equal two way joining. Not an above to lower bonding. Can you see what I am saying? To pray to a "God" is an upper to lower connection, not an equal loving and mutual joining.

Just my views.

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On your question of me not understanding love. For me, love is not a "huggy" or "kissy" thing. It is a truly unconditional and equal caring for another. As one brother to another. To feel that you need to honor a higher level being in order to be "saved" or rewarded is not the way I view love. So, in a way you are right. I don't understand what you see as love.

Peace

What does an advanced supreme being gain from worship? Why is it desired? If your own Earthy family father asked you to get on your knees and worship him out of respect would you not find that wrong? If so, why would your heavenly father be any different?

Once you see what you are really doing by worshiping another, you will be able to begin to really be free.

oh sure, a loving forgiving all powerful creator of everything wants you and me and everyone to slavishly butter his bum up reminding him how omnipotent he is.


Doesnt everyone?

oh and all your money and possessions he created for you? He wants that all back too, so he can give it to others he made poor and or stupid.

An another to yourself? LOL, the Source of yours is much more real than you will ever be.

BTW, God does not request your worship but you do not worship the idols which is wide spread practice, e.g. dependencies.

Notice how this poster must patronize and condescend to the OP by saying, "I am sorry that you are having a hard time understanding love," before they "answer" the question.

This is a very common technique that spiritual people use when speaking to those they think are spiritually inferior to themselves. Notice, as well, that there is nothing in The Bible which says God keeps a "portion" of anyone's praise as a "token" of love and devotion.

How would you answer this? And of course in the Christian religion he does desire worship.

There is an inherent nature in man to worship. Just ask Moses. What did he find when he brought the law down from Mount Sinai?

Today's worship in most churches = the mentality of worship of the golden calf. Why do you think the Puritans/Quakers had no worship in their services?

God doesn't desire sacrifice or worship....


Let me ask you this question if you are a parent. Do you expect your children to worship you?

Christianity is about conduct. It's not about worship. Worship is for idols. Idol worship was big in the days of the old testament. However, over the years the sin of idol worship (worship) has worked it's way into the church.

Honestly, do you really think God cares if you raise your arms in the air and dance around proclaiming how much you love him?... 'Hollywood' likes that.... but God does not.

Worship and prayer are merely tools to align one's will with that of the Creator of the universe. Our lives are much happier and more productive when we obey God's will instead of blindly following our baser instincts. In order to one day come in the presence of God, we need to become less "human" and more "Godlike."

But, the God of Christianity stills punishes the so called "sins" of man and rewards his righteousness. We refer to this technique as "carrot and stick". That is no more than the way you control an animal...

Listen very carefully, if Christians talk about their god being their "Lord and Master". For a master there must also be a slave! Haven't you ever thought of this?

What about OUR will? If I cannot live MY will, is that not slavery? Do we not "break" a horse by using tools to align HIS will with that of mine????

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If you choose to hurt in any way His creation you go against God´s will. First people have much to learn from God as to be free really.

No disrespect, but I don't know what you are talking about...

Peace

Your own mortality speaks volumes, beginning with. We are not divine enough to have a real choice but obey God. Simple enough?

I think considering worship and pray of others is what we see from and outward perceptive of others.

Some may see it and imitate it in a manner they say is following the way of prayer or worship.....even so they can join the others and be apart of it with them.

I think it is personal ways and choices and methods people decide to take part in...to fellowship together or to come together to pray to God.



I do not personally go that way but I understand why and what they are doing and what for.


I consider prayer communication......in what ever way I communicate......to pray is to speak to, request, ask, call for...

But I rarely do any except speak to and ask.....I ask because I do not know.......and I speak to because there is one listening and replying.......it is communication and two way.

I never ask not for things nor to receive things...but to understand things that I as a human can not understand nor can I seam to come to the answer of why these things are and how did they get this way and what is the main reason they are this way....the starting and the fueling or driving reason that keeps it going that way...

I only have my limited perceptive of first person out side viewing of the things and ways that move around me...or just what I see out of people or they tell me.

Yet I sometimes and a lot of times actually most all the time never go off this nor use this perception as my take of it or on it...

I ask the Lord what it is why is it I do this by telling Him what I see and what I think about it and even how I feel about it....with also telling him what i have judged in it all by my understanding.
But I communicate to him or pray as some call it so He will give me the truth of what I have picked up in my thoughts and thinking...and experiences.

I ask Him for His perspective which is asking his counsel...and for His understanding that comes form it I already know is found there so I seek Him as my guide to understanding and that is related to my walk down here and my way down here.........So I walk basically with Him not walk by my own understanding nor reasoning.

Because I have found His to be better and proven true and correct..even fixed allot of messes and entanglements and wrong impressions I had with others or with perception of things in my involvement......I rely on Him for He is reliable to me....I benefit from Him even in those things I mess up or get messed up in He can steer me out and around and past them....

When i stay close to Him in communicating and walking that way...I am not as bad of a person.

If I start moving away from Him the bad sides and worst natures in me start to grow in my way and the way I walk....which is the same as the way I am living.

I will find my own self unlikeable even to me because that myself becomes irritated easily offended easily and ready to horseplay and goof off and get obnoxious.....but truly get more stupider.......and stupider as the stupification process takes its lead I find my self stupifed when It hurt my self or miss out due to my lacking any reason or good motives or clear sound judgment of where I am and where I am going and what I am to be doing.............this way leads me then to a confused tangled up thinking that has to come to talk to God by communication through writing on paper back and forth my asking of Him and setting forth my thorn in me and what I did to push it in me....and how I have allowed my own self that is evil to fall into uncontrolled state by loosening my self control of that self..

I seek him in prayer on paper by pencil or pen...I talk He talks back I ask why and how and what is it and complain on my self and He .....states back that is this and that is that and this is the cause and that is the effect and yes you are a human and yes humans are this and that and subjected to their limitation......He clear it up and puts all in its right place my thinking that is my perception and view...basically my sight I and seeing by and mind I reason what I see or have seen..

I ask about Him things about Him...like what do you think about this...how do you feel about this...what do you want...why do you want us......why do you like us...why do you put up with that one...

I {pray} because I have someone to communicate with that I like conversing with because the conversation is fun delightful and actually rewarding to me and my life and being.....

My worship of him is nothing more than my walking with him in communication conversing to Him and rathering Him to be my answer and judge and counsel than any other..because He is actually always right and fixes things not just trows the verdict at me with out any understanding of how to fix the problem or even understand how the problem came about what actually causes it..started it.

I get excited communication with Him like I do when me and a human friend are communicating about something exciting and pleasant to think and talk of.....

I get excited and impressed with Him and "His self"...because He is cool and intriguing...He is a exquisite being to play with and spend time communicating with He sparks hope and delight and gratification and serenity He moves me inside mind and heart......He is desirous and when the desire to be with Him is and is so enjoyed I delight in that moment...I like Him I want Him I need Him I rather have Him....because He is better than any other thing or person or way He is the greatest and all is in Him I ever need to know or want to know or need to fix or need to get in me......it is there with Him found and received.............delighting in Him for what He is and who He is and what He has and does is worship I guess but I just call it fun and exciting and rewarding and fascinating....

There is the place inside us where we meet and talk it is in our minds but in this place we communicate heart to mind and as one we spend our selves to each other giving and receiving and it is what the scripture calls the secret place the inner chamber...the tent we meet in... .....it is the best of the best or any that is....

I can start by writing out what i am at ponder about ...and we begin to talk back and forth then blammo it is one I stop writing because I am now totally hyped and excited n what He has said and start giggling and loving the moment we are having and my amazement in Him I get carried away with Him .....then that puts me in a dream like state inside my my actually body and being gets lulled almost asleep...and communication is down and I will normally fall to sleep or just go off dazed like in a day dream....enjoying the effects he had on me and in me..

Why i the world would I waste my time talking to a rock that never gives me any input.....never fining anything out or there just my words bouncing off a rock..."no I want"

"I am a wanter"

I was created with the natural tendency to "want".

So it just come natural from birth on to always "want"

But that is the way He enters us and is unto us ours....by our "wantonness" ....that He draws unto Him and blammo fusion takes place and we are hooked on Him...because He is gooooooooooood.

He is the best I have ever had or can find there is no other like Him no where.......He possesses my soul and spirit my mind and heart....is obsesses with Him who is my obsession.....................and I would not have it any other way...because I like it I delighting it and get excited in it and have rewarding rewards or time spent and shared experiences with Him.

Oh yes God is a spirit but He is a wonderful good One that is not found any where but in that One.....none other will possess my mind nor my heart and take up as my souls obsession....no other spirit can hold a tail light to Him....it is a bond that just can not be broken like s spell it has you and you have it and not it will not be broken..it is a wild fire..

And I like it some may like a drug some may like a body some may like money ...some may like prestige and power....I like to feed off Him from Him I like to have Him...receive him and be with Him.

I do no need a place I do not need feed but am hungry nor warm I can be cold...it can be dark it can be light it can be sad it can be happy...I do not need anything at all to be with Him and have with Him something greater and more real and rewarding than any thing in this realm has to offer me.....So why ask for anything at all I do not need anything to make me any more the happier than what I have with Him......and I know everything will be done and is done for the betterment of all those whom He loves so why sweat it why sweat anything....just leave it to Him.

And calm your self and worried and fears in Him who leaves no doubt or what if's..He anchors your doubts and what if's in real hard unwavering ways that are His and never changes..even if we or the whole world changes He does not......so why worry for anything.....that is worship to me...it has ship in it and that means stay in the ship that has Him as an anchor and enjoy your time you are in it.

Yes, you do not believe that we are "divine enough" to have real choice. That my friend is slavery! I did not create this thread to insult or debate these views. I only wanted to present this question for people to consider.

The choice is yours.

You are mortal, aren´t you. You get tired and fall asleep every day don´t you. Occasionally you get ill, physicaly and worse. ...

... Is this your notion of being godlike? Neither mine, nor God´s one I am sure of.

do your parents want you to worship them?
no

if your parents don't expect you to bow down and chant whatever stupid stuff to thx them for being born and to show them respect for what they are for you, why a supreme being far more intelligent/sentient/wise would want you to act like this?

your question doesn't trouble me, it's a simple and relevant question.

show respect that's all.

only a megalomaniac psycho would want this kind of toxic submissive and destructive relation with others beings = this is not supreme this is insane.

I believe that our views are too wide for us to come to any understanding here, but I will try and answer your question.

We are not this frail physical human body. We each are advanced spiritual beings that were never born and will never die. So to answer your question, no we are NOT mortal being, because we are not these physical bodies. We will only find freedom when we begin to accept our responsibility for our own actions.

Peace

Welcome!!
There is a slave and a master in EVERY level of life(wether you like it or not!) and probably in every level after life!
Embrace it! There is no choice! SOMETHING or SOMEONE is always going to be the master and or slave. Peace

I reign supreme over my kitties but they don't have to worship me for me to love them. I love them all equally, even the aloof or boring kitties. ^_^

I agree.

You have to stop thinking of "love" as human love.

A god's love would know each scenario and the outcomes of all possible scenarios. We are far too out of touch with reality to know all the tangents and scenarios. So the requirement of loving the god means to put the faith in the god, the being that knows the outcomes...makes sense to me. But alas I follow Asatru so I know there's a difference between man and god. ;)

Not me. No more!

If you had a son or daughter, would you want them to disregard you and curse you and mock you?

If you had a son or daughter, wouldn't you think they should give you respect as their father or mother?

Even more so, the Creator.
Who MADE you.

In Jesus Christ.

I guess to one who has such an evil heart such as yours, you think that obeying and listening to your parents is like slavery?

Fool.