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Nibiru/2012/Mayan calendar/End of the World: celestial alignment of Hopi prophecy: What about the TRANSIT OF VENUS ON THE 5TH/6TH OF JUNE 2012?

 
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Among the most famous Hopi prophecies, a Hopi sentence says: “one day certain stars will come together in a row as has happened thousands of years ago. It is a time of purifying the land. Changing climate and many catastrophes may occur as we pass through this stage. What may happen no one really knows.” [link to www.jnanadana.org] or [link to 2012-end-of-the-world.comoj.com]

Several TV channels in France commented this prediction and used it in order to strengthen and corroborate the paradigm of the end of the world possibly predicted by the end of the Mayan calendar in December 2012. But yet astronomers have argued that there won’t be any peculiar planetary alignment in December 2012 and that we will not cross the galactic plane until a few millions years.

The only REAL ALIGNMENT and biggest astronomic event in 2012 will be the TRANSIT OF VENUS on the 5th/6th of June. This means a VERY PERFECT and observable (for most of the planet) ALIGNMENT of our star, the SUN, of VENUS (most visible star in the sky after the Sun) and of the EARTH. The precedent transit of Venus occurred in June 2004 and the following ones will take place in 2117 and 2125. Technically, it’s a solar eclipse by Venus and will be visible from the most part of the Earth (entry in America and exit in Europe).

But this time, there will be also a partial lunar eclipse on the 4th of June, when the moon crosses the ecliptic plane in its ascending node. That means a quasi-perfect and (in all America) observable alignment for SUN, EARTH and MOON.

Finally an annular solar eclipse will also have occurred on the 20th of May, when the Sun crosses the ecliptic plane in its descending node. But it will be observable only in the north/western part of America (i.e. in the Hopi home land), in middle of the Pacific and in a part of Japan and China. And it will be invisible in Central America.

There will be then THREE ECLIPSES IN A 16 DAYS TIME’S LAPS. It seems to be a relatively rare phenomenon and it could be significant!! The pair solar eclipse/lunar eclipse in 14 days is a normal and standard occurrence [link to www.astrologyweekly.com] What is less common is the TEMPORAL proximity of those eclipses with a Venus’s transit and the fact that ALL THREE ECLIPSES WILL BE VISIBLE IN THE NORTH/WEST PART OF AMERICA, notably in Arizona (Hopi homeland). So the today living Hopis will have knowledge of the alignment of the Moon and of Venus with Earth and Sun.

So around the 5th and 6th of June 2012, the SUN, VENUS, EARTH and the MOON (the four most significant celestial objects for us) would in fact, STAND IN A ROW. Their respective orbital plane (3, 4° inclined for Venus and 5° inclined for the Moon) would then almost in the same time intersect the Ecliptic plane (Earth orbital plane). It isn’t an absolutely perfect alignment, but SEEN FROM AN EXTERN POINT OF YOU OR WITH A 3D SIMULATOR, YOU WOULD STILL OBSERVE A MUCH BETTER ALIGNMENT (MOON, EARTH, VENUS AND SUN) that the most “so said” perfect planetary alignments that we heard of in the last decennia, even though it is not directly visible from Earth.

In example, the planetary alignment of May 2011 including Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars and Jupiter was already rather approximate on the horizontal level (with a classical 2D simulation) and not including the Sun or the Moon. But on the vertical level, the planets were absolutely not aligned, some of them far over the ecliptic plane and some of them far under it, but not any near of the ecliptic plane. Jupiter, for instance, stood several millions km under the ecliptic plane. And the most famous alignment of the May 5th 2000 had the same characteristics: very approximate and not an alignment at all on the vertical level, even though it was rather spectacular from Earth. [link to nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov]

The REAL alignment of the June 6th 2012 will only be indirectly observable and deducible for us from the observation of both lunar and “venusian” solar (transit) eclipses within a 35 hours time laps. But it will be a pretty good alignment, even though there will be nobody out there beyond the Moon with a camera to observe this “ghost” alignment.

After the lunar eclipse, the moon will escape the alignment towards the right and on the 5th/6th of June and Venus will come to the eclipse from the left, then also escape toward the right at higher speed than Earth (35 km/s vs. 30 km/s) and at a closer distance from the Sun. At the end of its transit, 41 hours later, Venus will still be a few above the ecliptic (of around 300.000 km) and will cross its descending node on the ecliptic around 11 hours later (17h pm UT). The Moon will be in ascending phase just a few over the ecliptic plane after its ecliptic crossing of the 3rd of June.

At the moment of the PARTIAL lunar eclipse, the Moon will already stand at 2/3 above the Earth’s shadow cone [link to www.dailymotion.com] & [link to en.wikipedia.org] The righteous schema from the second site displays the lunar trajectory and the ecliptic. We can extrapolate that the Moon will stand only about one earth diameter (12.000 km) above the ecliptic during the transit of Venus (beginning 35 hours later). It means that the MOON will still be pretty good aligned with the EARTH, VENUS and the SUN, on the same vertical plane near the ecliptic, just before the crossing by Venus of its descending node (on the 6th of June, at 16h 58 m (UT)), within a fringe of 12.000 km. It’s quite remarkable, if you consider the distance between the elements (150.000.000 km between Earth and Sun /42.000.000 km between Earth and Venus).

On the horizontal level, the alignment though won’t be so perfect, because the moon will stand already too much on the right side, 52 hours after the lunar eclipse, but not that much as the Earth is also going right around the Sun. I guess it would be about 10 degrees out of the line, but if you consider the distance to the alignment line, it would be only 1/9 of the maximal distance (90° angle with the Sun), 350.000 km/9: 40.000 km (3-4 Earth diameters) and it is 0.03 % deviation, reported to the distance Moon-Sun. Anyway the alignment with the moon won’t be a perfect alignment, but a better alignment at both vertical and horizontal level of the Moon in the same time than a transit of Venus could seemingly hardly happen, considering that there are two lunar eclipses per year and two transits per century (in fact 4 in 243 years = 1,64/century). So a lunar eclipse could happen on the same day than a transit of Venus (within 24 hours) approximately every 100th century or 10000 years.

And it’s worthy to note one more time that most spectacular and remarked planetary alignments which are visually impressive from Earth or in a 2D animation wouldn’t be really impressive in a 3D animation of the solar system because those planets are generally not on the same vertical plane, and that the alignment took generally no account of the Sun and of the Moon, which are yet the most significant celestial objects for Earth. And furthermore the Hopi prophecy told of a single row, not of a perfect line!!

SO THESE LUNAR AND VENUSIAN (=TRANSIT) ECLIPSES COMING TOGETHER COULD VERY WELL BE THE CELESTIAL SIGN THAT THE HOPIS WERE POINTING OUT IN THEIR PROPHECY, BECAUSE THE MOON, EARTH, VENUS AND THE SUN, THE FOUR MOST SIGNIFICANT CELESTIAL OBJECTS FOR US, WILL ACTUALLY STAND IN A SINGLE RAW!!

Have the ancestors of the Hopis (and of the Mayans) observed that the CONCOMMITANCE OF THE FOURTH TRANSIT OF VENUS (of an amazingly regular and predictable cycle of 4 transits in 243 years) AND OF A LUNAR ECLIPSE (preceding the transit within a 2 days’ time lapse) was linked to a cataclysmic event marking the end of the current area (for them of the current sun) and the beginning of a new area (this time the 5th Sun for the Mayan and the 5th world for the Hopis)?

Did you know that every fourth transit occurs exactly after a period of 243 years and about 2 days? Amazingly 243 is not just an anonymous number. It is 3*3*3*3 = 243. Is it just a coincidence? Yes, most likely! But who know? Or is our universe actually something cyclical like a gigantic clock about to sound the 12 strokes of twelve and to let sing a little cuckoo named Nibiru/Nemesis?

If they had constructed predictive tables for the future eclipses and for the future transits cycles, it would have been possible and even easy for the Mayan astronomers to calculate the year of the following occurrence of this cataclysmic phenomenon 5000 or 10000 years later, if they knew about it and observed that the transit of Venus (when preceded closely with a lunar eclipse) was temporary linked to the catastrophic end of a cycle, maybe even since three or four cycles. So they would have wanted to prevent the following generations from the future occurrence of those catastrophic events.

The Mayan scholars maintain that the ancient Mayas didn’t know about the transits of Venus, but the Spain conquistadors have destroyed more than 99% of the Mayan documents and we hardly understand the precise meaning of the few remaining Mayan codices. Although, in a mythical creational story, Kukulkan, often a personification of the planet Venus, has sacrificed himself in diving into a fire [link to paula-i-nielson.suite101.com] as Venus dives in the Sun during a transit.

And the sense of the famous Mayan ritual ball game, which goal were to let a spherical caoutchouc ball go through a disc of stone (maybe representing the Sun) [link to library.thinkquest.org] could well be a symbolist celebration of the diving of Venus through the solar disc during a Venus’s transit and of the creational sacrifice of Kukulkan.

The glyph on page 12 of the Madrid Codex, displaying a small pot into a sphere, at left on the same level that the two eclipse glyphs, could be an illustration of a transit of Venus. [link to www.famsi.org] The glyph of the lower part of this glyph is identified as a glyph of the ecliptic plane [link to www.starlab.com] Note that it is a scene with a celestial dragon, a god with a hooked nose and a strange object (Nibiru-like?) above or beyond his head, and note the sky band, mostly the same than in the last page of the Dresden codex, that will be commented thereafter. But there’s no flooding here.

Maybe the page 58b of the Dresden codex has also something to do with the transit of Venus, because it represent a “mannequin” with the glyph of Venus on his face seemingly diving, according the following link, toward the Jaguar throne? [link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net] (perhaps into/through the Sun towards the underworld, the Jaguar being often linked to the Sun of the underworld??).

It’s rather too much speculative!? But we know for sure that the Dresden codex (one of the very few remaining Mayan codices) mainly contains a predictive table for eclipses and a lot of astronomical information about Venus …AND POSSIBLY, ON THE LAST PAGE, THE PREDICTION OF A GREAT FLOODING!!?

The most famous page of the Dresden codex is this last page (page 74) [link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net] displaying a flood of water vomited by a celestial dragon/caiman. If a tsunami occurred at the end of the precedent area/sun, maybe in the presence of a celestial massive object with a trail, as planet x/nibiru is often represented or as a comet, it could easily have become a celestial dragon which pours water from its mouth in the mythical version of the story. [link to www.mesoweb.com]

Two Mayan gods are also present on the painting: at right there’s Ix Chel, the old MOON goddess, who pours also water from a vase, as to signify that the Moon would have an influence in the flood. [link to www.lost-civilizations.net]
At left there’s a black god, perhaps Chac, god of the rain, the lightning, the thunder and of sky, with a strange double spear in his hand. Other mayanists think that he is the black warrior god K.

But on the page 49 of the same Dresden codex, Venus or the Morning Star is also depicted as a warrior with exactly the same warrior clothing, the same double spear in hand, standing in the same position and also with an eagle perched on his headgear. So it could as well be a personification of VENUS to emphasize its own role in the flood [link to www.starlab.com] p. 25]. The god Kukulkan is also generally associated with Venus (patron planet of warfare for the Mayan, according the following links: [link to www.windows2universe.org] or [link to www.exploratorium.edu] And this design of Kukulkan depicts a warrior god, still in the same position with the head of an eagle protruding of his headgear and the same double spear in the right hand. So the god on the page 74 of the Dresden codex could actually be Kukulkan, god of VENUS and not Chac or God K.

It would also make sense in the “end of the world/cycle” context, because the end of the current sun/area is associated, also by the modern Mayas themselves, with the return of Kukulkan/Quetzalcoatl, the feathered snake [link to www.crystalinks.com]
But a black warrior with a winged headgear could also personify Nibiru itself, a dark and invisible brown dwarf with a winged trail, like a hunter which hides himself (squatting) until the last moment and strike by surprise an unprepared prey. It would be coherent with the illustration of Kukulkan as a feathered (winged) dragon/snake (celestial object with a trail). The link with Venus would then be only the temporal association of the Nibiru’s occurrence with a fourth transit of Venus closely preceded from a lunar eclipse.

Let’s speak now about the four glyphs on the sky band, which happens to be the caiman’s body. The first is clearly a glyph of Venus, the second means conjunction and the third means the Sun. [link to www.starlab.com] p.16]
The fourth is partly damaged, but it seems to be the glyph of Akbal, the night [link to www.starlab.com] p.27] & [link to 4-ahau.com] , with a nose, two eyes and a mouth with three teeth visible, because this glyph is present on other floods representations of the Dresden codex, i.e. p.68 [link to www.famsi.org] but it could also represent the MOON herself as the symbol of the night. The Akbal glyph is reminiscent of the glyph of the moon as represented here: [link to www.starlab.com] p.16]. It is also a face with a nose, eyes and three apparent teeth. Though it serves as a very common glyph as one among the day glyphs, I think it could however have been and remained the glyph for the moon.

SO THE SKY BAND WOULD POSSIBLY MEAN A CONJUNCTION OF VENUS, THE SUN, AND THE MOON WITH THE EARTH AS A BACKDROP FOR A GREAT FLOOD.

Finally there are two glyphs under the sky band, from which two minor floods are surging. The first glyph on the right side is the one of a LUNAR eclipse (and it is situated just between the glyph of the moon(?) and the glyph of the Sun), and the left one is the glyph of a SOLAR eclipse (situated between the conjunction glyph and the glyph of Venus), seemingly following one another before the great flooding [link to www.starlab.com] p.16]. If the sky band would correspond to a temporal film sequence of the events, the final flood would occur (or perhaps begin by the first appearance of Nibiru (?)) just after the second eclipse, so on the 6th of June!!??

A LUNAR ECLIPSE WILL OCCUR ON JUNE 4TH AND A TRANSIT OF VENUS (TECHNICALLY A SOLAR ECLIPSE BY VENUS) WILL OCCUR ON JUNE 6TH. DO WE HAVE TO WAIT A MEGA-TSUNAMI ON THE JUNE 6TH, or in the following days or months!!??

The Hopi prophecy told there would be climatic changes: there are occurring now. About possibly incoming catastrophic events, the Hopis were less assertive. But they weren’t saying there won’t be any doom. For the Mayan and the Aztecs though, the end of an area/world/sun was necessary destructive. The rebirth of a new age followed the catastrophic destruction of the ancient age. It’s the prize to pay for evolution, as a new ovulation cycle cannot begin without a menstruation in a first time.

THE HOPI PROPHECY SEEMS TO BE RELATED TO TRANSIT OF VENUS OF THE JUNE SIXTH, AS DO THE LAST PAGE OF THE DRESDEN CODEX. WILL SOMETHING IMPORTANT HAPPEN OR BEGIN ON THIS DATE? OR NOTHING AT ALL? ONLY TIME WILL TELL!

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I see that I didn't meet your interest!angry2

There’s still one thing that I found amazing and that I wanted to share with you: just another strange mathematical coincidence, if this is one. To confirm my hypothesis that the fourth transit of Venus in a cycle was significant (marking the end of a precise period of 243 years) in a kind of cyclical and universal celestial clock, I thought it has to be a finite unit of the Great Year (the Precession of the Equinoxes). In that case, the Great Year would be a precise multiple of 243 (years).

It seems that the current best scientific astronomical approximation is 25770 years [link to vejprty.com] and the nearest multiple of 243 happens to be very near: it is 25758. So I made afterward a Google search with the terms: “25758 [and] precession of the equinoxes”. And it seems that two independent sources thought that the exact number for the precession’s duration would be ACTUALLY 25758 years.

An ancient singer, Gary Osborn, basing his theory on the pyramids of Gizah, mentions the scientific approximation of 25776 years and says that its own guess is 25758 years, but he doesn’t say precisely why. He told though that the slope of the Great Pyramid of Gizah is exactly 51°51’ and is a code. It happens to be exactly 2*25,758 = 51,516. But it could also mean 25753 to 25759. Then why does he guess precisely 25758 years? I couldn’t find it out, BUT HE DIDN’T MENTION VENUS NOR THE NUMBER 243 [link to garyosborn.moonfruit.com]

The other source is an Indian one. It seems that Indian Vedic astrologers had determined in ancient times that the processional cycle’s exact duration was 25758 years. And it has been ever since then established as a fact and a basis for Vedic astrological calculations. The best astronomical approximation of Aristotle was 25920 years in the antiquity, presumably on about the same time that the Vedic astrologists and it is by far more distant of the current scientist astronomical approximation (25770 years). Was it a part of the revelation of the Veda (“dis-covery of the cosmic order”) to the legendary seven Rishis/Gurus by the Brahman (God)? The source of this calculation or information (?) about the exact duration of the procession of the equinoxes is seemingly a mystery for the Indians themselves. BUT HERE ALSO THERE’S NO MENTION OF VENUS’S TRANSIT OR OF THE NUMBER 243.
[link to fr.wikipedia.org] / (in French) [link to en.wikipedia.org]
[link to www.astro-planetcode.com]

But it remains that 25758 is a multiple of 243 and that could sustain the hypothesis that the fourth transit of Venus cycle has a connection with the mechanic of the Great Year (the processional cycle of the equinoxes). The Great Year of 25758 years would then correspond to 106*243 years (fourth transit of Venus cycles) or perhaps 2*53*243 years.
This would be compatible with hypothesis of eight-shape trajectories of two suns (or a sun and a brown dwarf companion) in a binary system, one sun turning clockwise and the other counter-clockwise. A complete turn of the eight-circuit by each sun means two crossings in the center of the eight. [link to www.disclose.tv]

That could mean that the mid Great Year of 12879 years would also constitute a cycle in itself, maybe the interval between two great floods and extreme climatic changes, and/or the mid orbital period and crossing of the hypothetical Sun’s dark companion (Nibiru/Nemesis/Woodworm etc.(?)) in a binary Solar system. The central rotation of the Sun and of its dark companion around their common barycenter would display a serpent-like or dragon-like trajectory in the sky from Earth perspective and would account for the celestial winged or feathered dragons and snakes of the Mayan and Chinese traditions.

So the last flooding would have occurred in 12879-2012+1 (no zero year) = 10868 B.C. It would approximately correspond with the date of the Atlantis flooding reported by Plato. Plato (in 400 B.C.) quoted Solon who spoke with an Egyptian priest, which said him that the flood occurred more than 9000 years ago. It corresponds more or less with the estimation of the last magnetic inversion (10400 years B.C.), according some sources (?) [link to www.ancient-wisdom.co.uk] with the great climatic change by the end of the last glaciations (around 10500 B.C.), and with the estimated construction of the Sphinx of Gizah, according John Antony West [link to www.catchpenny.org]

This would match with the end of the civilization of the mysterious city of Tiahuanaco (Tiwanaku) [link to www.crystalinks.com] near the Titicaca Lake, which was said by the Incas to have been built by giants in one night more than 10000 years ago. There are monuments in Tiahuanaco to observe summer and winter solstices, which are coherent with the inclination of the Earth’s axis as it was on this epoch. And the construction of the site of Puma Puku in Bolivia, which arises the same questions than for Tiahuanaco, [link to www.youtube.com] is told to be 17000 years old. In Europe, it was then Stone Age (a name derived of little carved stones used as primitive tools, not of the Megalithic stones). The biggest stone there in Puma Puku weighs 800 tones and the carving of the stones of granite and diorite is so perfect that we would be unable to do the same with today’s machines.

The temple of Zeus at Baalbek (Lebanon) could also fit with that category of monuments: the corner blocks weighed over 100 tons and have been raised to a height of ca. 19m above the ground [link to www.fotothing.com] “The massive stones of the Grand Terrace at Baalbek are usually referred to as 'cyclopean' simply due to their immense size and a legend attached to the site that records that the first temple at Baalbek was the construction of Cain before the Deluge and rebuilt by a race of giants under the command of Nimrod after the flood; the work of the Cyclopes” [link to thehobgoblin.blogspot.com]

Numerous traces of a very ancient past seem then to accredit the fact that technically very developed unknown civilizations has existed before our civilization and were destroyed by a cataclysmic flooding event more than 10.000 years ago. Are we the following ones on the list?
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OP are you thinking or saying something is going to happen on this date? All this material makes my head spin..Your's and everyone else's info that are on here. Hard to say who and what are right???? SORRY, just too much info to rattle around in this little mind...
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You are 100% correct. The 6th of june is the beggining of the end.
Do you know that some researchers say that the end of the mayan calendar is not December 2012 but june 2012?
Believe me, Venus is the key to all that is about to happen.
Read more here about the importance of Venus in ancient times and how it was a bad omen for many ancient cultures:


Copyright Ev cochrane

For whatever reason, the planet Venus was worshipped by
ancient peoples the world over from a very early time. Thus
it is that Venus figures prominently in the earliest myths,
art, and religious literature of most ancient cultures. A survey
of this material reveals hundreds of anomalies in the
ancient descriptions of Venus' appearance and behavior.
It is described as a bearded star, a dragon-like star, a star
with a tail, a witch-star, etc.(1) Ancient myths relate that
Venus once fell from the sky as a comet-like object or as
a witch-like being.(2) Very early representations of the planet
(or the planet-goddess Inanna) depict it as a comet or in
otherwise impossible positions vis a vis other astronomical
bodies.(3) How are we to understand this ancient
testimony? ... continues at:
[link to www.bearfabrique.org]


This past days I have written some of my ideas in other threads, I will copy the information here:




Venus= Nibiru= Jesus = quetzalcoatl etc, etc, etc and many other names it has been diven throughout history.

Nibiru was called the planet of the crossing because it was seen crossing the face of the sun before the shit hit the fan. We call it the transit of Venus and we will see it crossing the face of the sun on the 6th of june (6,6) and the crossing will last for 6 hours (666)
Remember this date because from that date on things will only get worse and worse.
Venus will be our perdition, it will change the world as we know it and we will see many disasters caused by it (wars ,famines,illnes ...) but to those who endure till the end , they would be able to see why Jesus =venus=morning star would also be our salvation.
Did you know that Venus is covered in very thick clouds?
Well, you would be able to see it when venus is very near earth (it will change its orbit from the 6th of june).... "At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory" or "Behold, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him ...
By the way it will be this so near approach to venus what would cause the poles to flip etc , but that would be in 2015 , until then its slow aproaching to earth plus how it will be ignited by the sun on 6th of june will be causing all the chaos we are going to be experiencing.i think this ignition by the sun or by o solar flare will give venus its aperance of a winged sun, or a sun with horns, or a beast with horns, or serpent etc or any other name that it has been called during different civilisations or religions.
Venus , plus the two witnesses (the sun and the moon) will be what change our world.

When we are able to see Venus (Jesus, Nibiru ...) very near us is when the earth will fully enter into its influence/orbit or whatever (the groom =venus will come for his bride (the earth) because of Venus atmosphere we will float towards it and maybe we will go on to live into Venus???? I am not so sure about this part but it could be the meaning of a new earth and a new heaven. Also think about the fact that one day in venus equals 243 earth days , so that would solve the mistery of living much longer after we get to see Jesus=Nibiru=venus
Also the new earth and new heaven could be a metaphor that indicates that the influence that venus would have on our brains (magnetics or whatever)which would erease all our memories, egos etc and will leave in the surviving people a blank mind or egoless mind or enlightened mind, which would make us see everything as new and perfect ( those enlightened will understand what i mean) and all suffering would be erased etc etc making earth paradise again.


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I thought the two witnesses were angelic in nature. It mentions they have a heavenly existence....
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Well, the two witnesses are both witnessing all that happens in the tribulation plus they also have power over the sky and waters, and are able to strike the earth with plagues. so it is quite clear that they are two celestial bodies.Their existance is heavenly because they live in the heavens and from heaven they can witnness everything. The doubt I have is whether this celestial bodies are the sun and the moon or the sun and venus or some other planet/comet. But i am 100% sure they are two celestial bodies/stars/planets.
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OP: a lot of your links don`t work...
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6/6/2012

now people gonna say 2012 is 2 and 012
which is 2 and 12
2 goes into 12 6 times
so now we have 6 6 and 6

No one knows the day when the world will end. Only God.

We will get lots of people claiming to know. But they seek to mislead men.
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It would be interesting to hear what Hopis think about it today. Someone to ask them?

[link to www.hopi-nsn.gov]
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6/6/2012

now people gonna say 2012 is 2 and 012
which is 2 and 12
2 goes into 12 6 times
so now we have 6 6 and 6

No one knows the day when the world will end. Only God.

We will get lots of people claiming to know. But they seek to mislead men.
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No, we are saying the 6 of 6 and the transist will last 6 hours, which makes it 666.
Also we are not talking about the end of the world but when things will start to really get bad, you can call it tribulation or whatever you prefer and from then it will take until 2015 to really end and as you say noone knows the exact date although we can know more or less. The effects of Venus changing its orbit, plus the sun flares will first affect peoples minds (brain waves,etc) and that is why in the bible (which by the way is a metaphoric account of the celestial movements of planets, venus, the sun etc) it says that first when the tribulation starts brothers will turn against brothers, there will be wars etc., That is what we will see first happening, so from 6th june expect to see tension amongst countries increasing to the point of wars, etc
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Venus transit event is not that rare. So I don't buy it.
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For the mayas ,Venus: (Lamat Glyph, Venus), Chak Ek' was the astronomical object of greatest interest, the Maya knew it better than any civilization outside Mesoamerica. In Maya myth, Venus is the companion of the sun. This no doubt reflects the fact that Venus is always close to the sun in the sky, rising not long before sunrise as morning star (Ah-Chicum-Ek') or after sunset as evening star (Lamat). They thought it was more important than the Sun. They watched it carefully as it moved through its stations, it takes 584 days for Venus and the Earth to line up in their previous position as compared to the Sun. It takes about 2922 days for the Earth, Venus, the Sun, and the stars to agree. The Maya made daytime observations of Venus. Venus had a psychological effect upon the Maya, it has been shown in the Dos Pilas staircase, that the Maya were timing some of their wars based on the stationary points of Venus and Jupiter, (The famous Star War between Tikal and Dos Pilas, Naranjo and allies). Humans were sacrificed on first appearance after Superior Conjunction when Venus was at its dimmest magnitude but they most feared the first Heliacal Rising after Inferior Conjunction. In the Dresden Codex, the Maya had an almanac that displayed the full cycle of Venus. Venus cycles were the mean synodic Venus year of 584 days and a "great cycle" of 37960 days (the lowest common multiple of the Tzolkin, and the Venus year, equal to 104 calendar years or 2 calendar rounds). In Rio Azul's tomb 19 the Lamat or Venus Glyph is beautifully painted. A "star war" is a full-scale war planned in accordance with specific astronomical events, usually the first appearance in the morning sky of the planet Venus. The heliacal rising of the brilliant "star" in the pre-dawn sky was considered by the Maya as a highly evil portent. As such it was an appropriate herald of warfare, at least on the part of the attacker. (Schelle)


They most feared the first Heliacal Rising after Inferior Conjunction.The heliacal rising of the brilliant "star" in the pre-dawn sky was considered by the Maya as a highly evil portent.And .... When is this going to happen??? After the transit of the 6th of june, Venus will have its first heliacal rising after inferior conjunction.
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Nothing happened in the 2004 transit, what makes this so different?
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Nothing happened in the 2004 transit, what makes this so different?
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Soon we will see what makes it so different
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Nothing happened in the 2004 transit, what makes this so different?
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more planetary alignments I would guess.

bumping this for interesting discussion... we are fast approaching 6/6/2012 and i dont even know what to think anymore
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Nothing will happen.
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Nothing happened in the 2004 transit, what makes this so different?
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The 2004 Venus transit set things into motion, this one is the 2nd in a pair and is the one to set off what was put into play. It wont occur again until 2117. They happen in pairs, the first one primes it and the second one ignites.
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Interesting stuff, OP, thanks.

bump
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Bullshit wall of text.

Only mentalists who already believe in the agenda will read it all.
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Thank you, OP.
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I thought I heard somewhere that Venus' will then start going the opposite way or it will appear as such

Last night, at exactly midnight it seems, I awoke from a dream (impromptu rest) and when I awoke I saw something I've never seen before, many many numbers/characters spinning swiftly all around me.

I'm relatively new to all the spirituality stuff and have been working on awareness, remembering dreams, meditation, visions, etc.

Anyway, when I focused a little bit on the numbers I saw a large '6' with a smaller '6' rotating around it. I didn't focus on it much after, I felt groggy and didn't even mean to sleep.

Anyway I searched for 6/6 and June 6 on here to find some similar threads and see a lot about the obvious venus transit (and reversal possibly?)

Also, for the dream, I was in some sort of large mall-like construction but it also had wildlife, gardens, ponds I think. Anyway, I don't remember much (pretty hard and new to me all this stuff) but I was enjoying the nature parts of this place. Just before I awoke I saw this large beautiful strange looking yellow and some other color flower. I forgot what I did, I either ate a piece or cut the flower of something and then either berries or bugs started pelting my body after doing such to the flower. I tried to find shelter and quickly woke up after to the weird things spinning around me (I fell asleep/dreaming while sitting in my living room with a light on).

Tried to find a decent 6/6 thread to post this in and this seems sufficient.
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I think it was rotating counter-clockwise but could be wrong. Other types of details I need to learn to try to remember with my dreams.

Some other possibly related dreams had me running away from Obama in my old house (though his daughters seemed to want to help me while they were going through it as well)

Another was I think Obama, or some other person, with me in a building at night (I'm guessing in chicago where I live) and there was a big tornado going through the buildings outside.
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Had a deam also about tornado in chicago's south-side

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