ALL church's these days are RITUAL PLAYGROUNDS

Then the majority of folks in the church go home and watch some porn and eat some chicken then pray for forgiveness, then go back to church and SING A DITTY and shake some hands

LETS ADD SOME LIGHTS AND SMOKE TO THE CHURCH WITH COOL STUFF ON THE SCREENS

the average man thinks God wants groupies.
children in their thinking processes.
and a constant hustle to give

yes

Agreed.

Are not most things RITUALISTIC in nature? Ever study SOCIOLOGY?

I am not talking about a totem, but every day mores, foklways or customs can be ritualistic.

So true, OP.

Time to come out of Babylon. The church is not a building made of wood and stone or man-made organization led by cemetary-trained, self-ordained religious pharisees. The church (ekklesia) is the "called-out" ones, living stones whose builder and maker is God and Jesus Christ is the head cornerstone. Come out from among them and be ye separate. You don't need any man to teach you. Jesus wants to teach you Himself. See also: [link to www.hallvworthington.com]

Thus said the Lord, "Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool; where is the house that you will build for me, and what is the place of my rest?’ This the Lord said to the jewish people who built the temple. Isaiah 66:1.

And Solomon said, ‘The heaven of heavens cannot contain God,’ how much less the house that he built? 1 Kings 8:27, 2 Chr 6:18.

And again, Steven said to the jewish people' high-priest, when he was examining him, Though Solomon built a house for the Lord; however the Most High does not dwell in temples made with hands; for heaven is God's throne, and earth is his footstool; what house will you build me, said the Lord, or what is the place of my rest? Has not my hands made all these things? You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in hearts and ears, you always resist the holy ghost; as your forefathers did, so do you.

Now here all may see, that it was the stiff-necked and uncircumcised in hearts and ears, that were the persecutors, as in the next verse, that did resist the holy ghost; and therefore their bodies, in that state, were not like to be temples of the holy ghost; as in 1 Cor 6:19. And, therefore, these persecutors that did resist the holy ghost, which comes from the Father and the son, were the criers up of the outward temple; they were not like to see God, as Steven did, who dwells not in the temples made with hands, and heaven to be his throne, and earth his footstool, who resists his holy spirit that proceeds from him, by which God is seen and known.

And the apostle Paul said, ‘God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwells not in temples made with hands, neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed anything, seeing he gives to all, life, and breath, and all things, and has made of one blood all nations of men, for to dwell on the face of the earth. That they should seek the Lord, if happily they might feel after him, and find him, though he is not far from every one of us; for in him we live, and move, and have our being,’ Acts 17:24-28.

So you may see, here are many witnesses before-mentioned, that God that made the world, and all things therein, who is Lord of heaven and earth, dwells not in temples made with hands, but as the prophets, Christ, and the apostles say, ‘heaven is God's throne, and the earth is his footstool.’ Mat 5:34-35.

So, all come to know God, who has made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on the face of the earth; he gives to you all life and breath, and all things; I say, all to know him by his spirit which he pours upon all flesh, heaven to be his throne, and earth to be his footstool; yes, all that dwell upon the face of the earth, know the earth that you dwell upon, and walk upon, to be God's footstool, and heaven to be his throne, who is Lord of heaven and earth, who gives you breath and life, and pours his spirit upon you, or in you, Joel 2, Acts 2. That with his spirit you may know the day has come that Joel spoke of; and that with his spirit you may all know that God has poured his spirit upon you, or in you, that with it you may live in God, and move in God, and have your being in God, who is Lord of heaven and earth; and heaven is his throne, and earth is his footstool, upon which face of the earth you dwell, and walk. So all to see and know that you are the temples of the living God, as God has said, ‘I will dwell in them, and walk in them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.’ 2 Cor 6:16, Lev 26:12.

And thus said the Lord, who dwells not in temples made with hands, but the saints that are lead by the holy ghost are the temples of God and the holy ghost; for the Lord said, ‘the children of Israel and Judah had provoked him to anger with the works of their hands.’ The Lord said, ‘For this city, (Jerusalem, and the temple,) has been to me a provocation of my anger, and of my fury, from the day that they built it, even unto this day, (Jerusalem, and the temple,) that I should remove it from before my face, (said the Lord,) and destroy it,’ Jer 32:30-31.

So you may see here, that such as resisted the holy ghost, were crying up outward Jerusalem, and the outward temple, who were the stiff-necked persecutors, and uncircumcised in hearts and ears, as you may see in the prophet's time, and in Isaiah's time, and in Christ's, Steven's, and the apostle Paul's time; and such uncircumcised in hearts and ears, that are persecutors, that did and do resist the holy ghost now, are crying up outward temples, and imprisoning, and persecuting, and seizing property of people now, because they will not give money to mend their temples or churches, though they make no use of them; and yet they say, the gates of hell shall not prevail against their church; and yet daily want repairing, either by reason of weather, storms, or thunder!

And though the Lord tells them by his prophet, and Steven, and his apostles, ‘that God that made the world, and all things therein, dwells not in temples made with hands, but heaven is his throne, and earth is his footstool, and he is the Lord of heaven and earth.’ And said of his people in these words, ‘What? do you not know that your bodies are the temples of the holy ghost, which is in you, which you have of God.’ And again, ‘For you are the temples of the living God, as God has said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people, and I will be a Father to you, and you shall be my sons and daughters, said God Almighty.’ Jer 31:33. And, therefore, all that receive the holy ghost, know your bodies to be the temples of the living God, and this holy ghost, and heaven to be God's throne, and earth his footstool, and that you dwell and walk upon his footstool, and that you do live and move, and have your everlasting being in God, who dwells not in temples made with hands; but God dwells and walks in you his temple, and he is your God and Father, and you are his people, and the sons and daughters of God Almighty. So that every one may truly say, 'I live, and move, and have my being in God; heaven is his throne, and earth is his footstool, which I naturally dwell and walk upon, and, spiritually, in God I live, and move, and have my being, to his praise and glory, who is the Lord of all, both in heaven and earth, from everlasting to everlasting, blessed and praised for ever. Amen.'

One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. Eph 4:6. May all people know [witness by seeing] God the Father so to be.

George Fox

The 4th of the 7th Month, 1682

Postscript from George Fox's Journal:

As I went towards Nottingham on a First-day in the morning, with Friends to a meeting there, when I came on the top of a hill in sight of the town, I saw the great steeple-house: and the Lord said unto me, ‘You must go cry against that distant great idol,* and against the worshippers inside.’ I said nothing of this to the Friends, but went with them to the meeting, where the mighty power of the Lord God was among us; in which I left Friends sitting in the meeting, and went to the steeple-house.


*Site Editor's Note: The Lord has referred to the church building, the steeple-house, as a great idol. An idol is something people venerate; something they take pride in. The temple in Jerusalem was the only temple God ever wanted or commanded. Church buildings, cathedrals, and such monuments to man's pride are not wanted by God and contemptible in his sight, for the Most High does not dwell in houses and temples made with hands, Acts 7:48-9. He wishes to dwell in you with Christ in his glorious Kingdom - after you are purified.

When I came there all the people looked like fallow ground, and the priest, like a great lump of earth, stood in his pulpit above: he took for his text these words of Peter, ' We have also a more sure word of prophecy, which you do well to heed, as unto a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day-star arise in your hearts.' He told the people this was the scriptures, by which they were to try all doctrines, religions, and opinions. Now the Lord's power was so mighty upon me, and so strong in me, that I could not hold; but was made to cry out, 'Oh! no, it is not the scriptures;' and told them what it was, namely, the holy spirit, by which the holy men of God gave forth the scriptures, whereby opinions, religions, and judgments were to be tried; for it led into all truth, and so gave the knowledge of all truth. For the jewish people had the scriptures, yet resisted the holy ghost, and rejected Christ, the bright morning-star, and persecuted Christ and his apostles, and took upon them to try their doctrines by the scriptures, but erred in judgment, and did not try them aright, because they tried them without the holy ghost.

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But,' I said, 'what do you call the church?' 'Why,' he said, 'what you call the steeple-house.' Then I asked him, 'whether Christ shed his blood for the steeple-house? And purchased and sanctified the steeple-house with his blood? And since the church is Christ's bride and wife, and that he is the head of the church, did he think the steeple-house was Christ's wife and bride, and was he the head of that old house, or of his people? 'No,' he said, Christ is the head of his people, and they are the church.' 'But,' I said, 'you have given the title church to an old house which belongs to the people; and you have taught them to believe so.'

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That should be folkways not foklways, lol.

Anyway, everyone here participates in SOME type of mores, folkways or customs/traditions on a daily basis. SHOCKER.

did not quote due to extremely long post.... good post...

thanks

im so tired of this world bro

The kingdom of God is within you. Be still and know...

It's always bugged me the way they stop half way through a 'service' for a short mammon worshipping break, it's like 'we'll be back after this commercial break'. ugh. Never found a church where they don't do that and you can feel the atmosphere change while filthy lucre is being collected. And we're all supposed to see this as normal.

what do you mean money worshiping break? dont follow. like the offering?

tithes are definately biblical

church can't operate without it, doesn't sell a product so it has no other income...

Last Edited by Daersoulkeeper on 04/05/2012 03:24 PM

While they pass the plate, the bucket, or the pole with a bag on the end, you know, the money collection.

i would prefer the church to build and sell wholesome products...yes...like grow food and sell cheap or something.... than offering, i agree

it does make it into a more ritualistic atmosphere over time

but tithes are definitely biblical, they could do it not in public, like drop in a box somewhere...

Last Edited by Daersoulkeeper on 04/05/2012 03:38 PM

Tithing died with the Levitical priesthood; the only places tithing is referenced in the New Testament is the claim of the self-righteous Pharisee, and the explanation of its death in Hebrews. The Apostle Paul instructed people to set aside funds from their excess, but that was to relieve the poor, particularly the large numbers of poor brethren in Jerusalem. Relieving the poor does not include supporting self-appointed pastors or to maintain an uncommanded temple or building. Jesus, Paul, and Peter all denied those who solicited money for preaching; and as Christ instructed his disciples: Freely (without pay) you have received, freely (without charge) give. Mat 10:8.

Tithes were not a part of Christianity until hundreds of years after the death of the Apostles; they were never mentioned by any Council of the Roman sect until 1119. See also: [link to www.hallvworthington.com]

So true. Preachers begging for tithes are hirelings with the mark of the antichrist. Ban preacher greed: [link to banpreachergreed.tripod.com]

Last Edited by rhammond2k on 04/05/2012 07:11 PM

i hate this planet, everything feels like a lie these days

EVERYTHING

The truth will set you free. The kingdom of God is within you. Come out of Babylon.

What do you expect when churches are filled with satanic infiltrators who worship marduk. Nice avatar.

Pretty much, which is why my family and I do NOT attend these physical buildings that people call "church".

The true meaning of CHURCH is those who are called out. Just saying...

so start your own fellowship.

we are known by our love for the brethren op

and tithing it's true is not new testament. today it ALL belongs to God.

love rb

remember we are not to forsake the assembling of ourselves together ;)

happy easter and please go to church. and take a non believer ;)

love rb

But, RB Easter has nothing to do with Christ. It's origins predate Christ by at least a thousand years.

OP, you could start your own church and put a huge engraving of the image in your avatar on the pulpit. Every year at this time you could have an Ishtar egg hunt. You could call your church Calvary Chapel.
During the service you could turn the lights down real low and turn on purple and red mood lights to set the ambience. Say "Jesus" a few times during the service so no one gets suspicious.
Once you get everyone brainwashed into giving 30% of their money to the church you should be set for life.

I am finding a lot of strange things on church websites these days. One Southern Bap church I know of had a winged disk (symbol for antichrist etc) hidden in the background image. I sent them am email with the image clearly higlighted. They changed the background soon after. No doubt nothing else changed.

It is ubiquitous. Those of you who have ears to hear, Come out of the whore of Babylon.