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| Anders
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Firstly, I saw the transcript of your show with Professor Jones, where you kept badgering him with snide remarks that he was a Muslim-lover, which has become the new "nigger-lover" the way it gets said these days. Then once you´d run down his time you started badgering him with warnings about how much time he had left. I wish the Philadelphia Eagles were that good at running out the clock.
Secondly, you say that people who suspect the government´s role in 9/11 should leave the country immediately because we couldn´t countenance a regime that we even suspected murdered 3000 of its own people and then waged wars in two countries that thus were also innocent. But you already know Iraq was innocent of 9/11. There is no evidence that its government was involved, plenty of people who knew the Middle East understood that Bin Laden wished to destroy secularist regimes like Saddam Hussein´s and about the only way fundamentalist Islam could take over Iraq was if the United States overthrew Saddam Hussein. Even if our government was sincere about its shabby evidence, it only suspected Iraqi involvement in 9/11, and really it only suspected Saddam Hussein was about to get the A-bomb. Obviously governments have the right to kill people on suspicion. I intend to wait for more evidence before acting in any way.
There are three good reasons persons who suspect that Cheney assisted in 9/11 should remain in the United States.
We have this thing called the vote. The suspicion is that 9/11 was abetted by elected leaders who will be gone by the next election due to term limits. Even if those leaders ran again, I will vote against them again. That is the best thing about being an American right now. If I also suspected that those leaders were rigging elections so that they never lost close ones, then I would work my damnedest to get them out by a landslide so large that it couldn´t be rigged.
If I moved overseas, where could I go where the hand and bombs of the United States could not go? America is systematically placing itself above international law. It is the home of most of the biggest oil companies, so even if I emigrated I would still be paying a sort of gasoline tax to the group that most wanted American control of the Middle East. And obviously if I was certain that the government killed 3000 of its own citizens to start overseas wars, the standard history we were all taught in school about Adolf Hitler would indicate that more such wars will follow. America spends more on weapons than all other countries combined. It runs secret prisons in Europe (it must - how else could Bill Frist be sure that a leaked story about that would be a crime?) It stands accused in an Italian court of abducting a man in Italy and transporting him to a third country. Its charter planes used for extraordinary rendition are being traced and used to discover the location of prisons all over the world.
So both my chances of survival and my chances of peacefully correcting a possible 9/11 conspiracy would best be served by staying here. However, the most important reason is that even if there was no chance of beating a murderous tyrant in an election, we the people of the United States of America are responsible for what is done in our name. Did Martin Luther King try to solve the problem of Jim Crow by organizing a total exodus of all African-Americans from the Deep South? It would have served our southern conservative brethren right, but he instead organized a massive campaign of civil disobediance intended to disrupt every aspect of Southern life. Hardly the pacifist saint that white politicians depict on his birthday. He attacked injustice with blackmail. I, by the way, am not a pacifist, and thus approve of the more severe means begun in 1775 by other Americans to overthrow a ruler whose primary crime was merely taxation without representation.
The current antiwar movement has persuaded nearly two-thirds of our citizens to reject the premises of the war, despite the utter unwillingness of corporate media to air out its arguments and evidence until after Bush was safely re-elected. Once a person considers the possibility that we went to war on a government lie, he might start looking into the possibility that we went to war on a government mass murder. Go into Brooklyn and the South Bronx and ask New Yorkers there how they feel about those two possibilities. If evidence of the latter continues to accumulate as has evidence of the former, true Americans will organize to resist the criminals responsible until they are driven from power - first by election, then by civil disobediance, and then by that natural right which originally created our nation. I hope it doesn´t come to that.
Yours truly,
XXXXXXXXXXXXXX |
| Anders
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11/16/2005 7:53 PM | | Re: Tucker Carlson´s badgering of BYU 911 Professor Backfires Big Time...the Mullet tries to derail this thread!!! LOL!!! | Quote |
watch the ´interview´ here...
[link to infowars.com] |
| Anders
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11/16/2005 7:54 PM | | Re: Tucker Carlson´s badgering of BYU 911 Professor Backfires Big Time...the Mullet tries to derail this thread!!! LOL!!! | Quote |
I´ve got a great conspiracy for you. It´s the official story of 9/11. It does not add up. Even your feigned ignorance of blatant fact can´t hide what a majority of people now understand: Something does not add up in the official time line and story of the terrorist attacks of September 11th, 2001.
Professor Jones never once mentioned the government being behind the attacks. You put that in his mouth, and may have to suffer legal consequences for that. What you have done is committed slander against him, and I truly hope he brings the weight of our justice system to your door.
What he was doing was raising evidence to oppose what is supposedly known as "fact". What we would call Mr. Jones during the revolutionary times would be a patriot. What you call him now, is insane. That only proves he´s on the right course. I am not suggesting what you tried in vain to make Mr Jones say, that the government did it. I simply say it´s on a list of possible occurrences. It´s people like you that prevent these ideas from being heard. It´s people like you, who, if in power during that revolution would ensure we all still have a British accent.
Lose the bowtie, |
| Anders
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11/16/2005 7:54 PM | | Re: Tucker Carlson´s badgering of BYU 911 Professor Backfires Big Time...the Mullet tries to derail this thread!!! LOL!!! | Quote |
Well, that was quite an interview, Tucker. I can understand you wanting to distance yourself from kooks and crackpots.
But a BYU Professor?
I took a look at the report, and it´s clear from your interview and post interview comments that you must not have. I would suggest that you do, even out of journalistic integrity. It is indeed compelling.
I am looking, but I cannot find, a passage where he states that "the U.S. government killed 3000 of its own citizens" as you mentioned in your commentary. I believe that might be slander, Tucker. Please be more careful in the future.
If you are unwilling to investigate, even cursorily, the news on which you comment, might I leave you with just this last paragraph from his paper.
"Those espousing weak or untestable claims should realize that they may be damaging the effort to achieve a rational debate of important issues by poisoning the process with “junk science”. Likewise, the notion that the “explosive demolition” hypothesis should not be debated since it would imply a “conspiracy theory” departs from good science as well as from numerous historical precedents of empirical conspiracies."
All he ever suggested was more investigation, more debate.
In closing, I have never seen a host disrespect a guest to the this level in any news interview in my life. I am sorry to tell you that I believe you came out looking like the kook on this one. |
| Anders
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11/16/2005 7:55 PM | | Re: Tucker Carlson´s badgering of BYU 911 Professor Backfires Big Time...the Mullet tries to derail this thread!!! LOL!!! | Quote |
In response to Mr. Tucker´s tantrum against those who doubt the official 9-11 story.
Why Carlson:
Did we have troops in place to invade Afganistan before 9-11?
Did FEMA have people in place in New York before 9-11?
Did White House personnel take a powerful antibiotic before the Anthrax attacks?
We don´t have to move out the country, Carlson: just have to change the government.
PS Was going to send him a link of Fire Engineering Magazine which called the pancake collaspe of WTC "fiction": lo and behold they are under new management with less than a year of archival material available. Imagine my suprise!! |
| Anders
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11/16/2005 7:55 PM | | Re: Tucker Carlson´s badgering of BYU 911 Professor Backfires Big Time...the Mullet tries to derail this thread!!! LOL!!! | Quote |
I happened to see your little charade of open-mindedness with Stephen Jones.
Shame on you for not playing the video he sent you. My suspicion is that you promised (or seamed to promise) to play it in order to get him on your show. The video .d very vividly his whole premise - that controlled demolition brought down WTC-7. You can see the ´squibs´ - the little farts of smoke - puffing out the corner of the building, starting at the bottom and going up. No one has produced those images before without controlled demolition.
You are a COWARD!
But, then, you work for someone, don´t you?
Be sure to visit this website to find out about the dog that didn´t bark:
[link to www.whatreallyhappened.com]
Tucker, I did leave the ole US of A in 1967.
I moved to Canada and became a Canadian. Turns out Canada does whatever the USA tells it to. So I pay taxes to the Canadian government and I´m as guilty as the rest of you down south.
Where ya gunna go?
Seems to me the whole globe is being run by a group of criminal gangs and so far, my travel agent hasn´t been able to book me transport to another inhabitable planet.
PS have fun at your next visit to Bohemian Grove - if you don´t know where that is, man, you haven´t made it inside! |
| Anders
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11/16/2005 7:56 PM | | Re: Tucker Carlson´s badgering of BYU 911 Professor Backfires Big Time...the Mullet tries to derail this thread!!! LOL!!! | Quote |
Maybe we should all email Mr Carlson to remind him:
At Nuremburg propagandists and collaborators were put on trial along with NAZI officials.
And, we may do it again.
Maybe Tucker flunked history as well as physics. |
| Anders
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11/16/2005 7:56 PM | | Re: Tucker Carlson´s badgering of BYU 911 Professor Backfires Big Time...the Mullet tries to derail this thread!!! LOL!!! | Quote |
In response to your commentary on Prof. Jones appearance on your show. I disagree that he was uncomfortable except for your constant interruptions. You appeared much more uncomfortable than he did. If you had read his paper in its entirety you´d realize that this was a scientific analysis of what happened on 9/11 and the subsequent government financed investigations that were woefully lacking in hard evidence and wild speculation as to what caused the buildings to collapse. You also didn´t show the video that Prof. Jones provided to you ahead of the show. To try and call him crazy because of his scientific analysis is typical of right wing politics these days. You fit right in with right wing schills Limbaugh and Hannity. All Prof. Jones is calling for is a scientific investigation outside of the government to determine what really happened. What´s to hide if the government sponsored reports are accurate.
WTC 7 according to Jones´ analysis fell in 6.6 seconds. Dropping an object off the top of this building would have taken only 6 seconds. Stell buildings the size of WTC 7 don´t free fall from the kind of minimal damage it sustained from a few small fires that were burning in the building that day. Larry Silverstein, the general partner of the WTC complex of buildings is interviewed in a PBS documentary, /Rebuilding America/ as saying that WTC 7 was "pulled" that day after a decision was reached between him and FDNY. The term "pulled" is used in controlled demolition to describe a controlled demolition. The decision was made mid afternoon on 9/11 to "pull" WTC 7. It collapsed in free fall in its own footprint less than three hours later. To accomplish a controlled demolition for a building this size in less than three hours implies that the building was already packed with explosives and wired for demolition. There is no way for a controlled demolition company to study the building plans, determine where explosives should be planted, gain the permits needed to implode the building, gather the explosives, place them appropriately in the building (which was burning in some places), wire the explosives, make sure the building was empty of any people, and then set off the explosives from an electronic control board. Impossible for this much preparation to occur in less than three hours. If WTC 7 was demolished by controlled demoltion, as Larry Silverstein claims in the PBS documentary, then serious questions are raised about the destruction of WTC 1 and 2. WTC 4, 5 a and 6 were about half destroyed by the collapse of WTC 1 and 2. These three buildings were demolished by contolled demolition, but it took until mid December to accomplish this. Why did it take three months to demolish three half destroyed buildings? Because of the planning and implementation of a controlled demolition.
As to your commentary that those who should leave this country if they believe the government was behind the controlled demolition of the three WTC buildings, you´re kidding right? Should patriotic Americans who believe their government is evil and corrupt just up and leave? How about another tact? How about stay in this country, push for an investigation and let the chips fall where they may from the findings of this investigation? Your "love it or leave it" attitude is reminiscent of pro war advocates of the Viet Nam era, but you´re too young to remember that. True American patriots protested the war and were harassed by the government for their efforts. Thomas Jefferson is quoted as saying, "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism." Is there no free speech left in this country? Is dissent now seen as unpatriotic? Apparently so, according to the right wing political culture.
You ended your commentary about Prof. Jones´ appearance with the following. /"Incidentally, we still have an open mind here on the Situation, even after Professor Stephen Jones. So if evidence ever does arise that the government lied substantially about what happened on September 11th, we´ll be on it immediately. I promise."/ Your viewers will hold you to that promise. May I suggest that if you are an independent journalist and not just a right wing schill, that you investigate what happened on 9/11 and support an independent investigation of the collapse of WTC buildings 1, 2 and 7 from a group of scientists from the academic community as Prof. Jones is calling for. If the investigation proves that there was no controlled demolition of these buildings, then you can tell the doubters to shut the hell up. Until then we really don´t know what happened that tragic morning. Maybe you should start by reading Prof. Jones´ paper again while being "open."
You might also want to read the article at the link below to gain some perspective as to what was happening toward the protection of Pres. Bush while he read a pet goat story with school children that morning, while planes crashed into WTC 1 and 2. [link to www.whatreallyhappened.com]
Somehow, I think your cries of "crazy" and "love it or leave it" will only grow louder as more evidence comes forward and Republicans (Paul Craig Roberts, Morgan Reynolds) who served Republican presidents call the Bush administration for what it is. Do some homework and independent investigative journalism on this topic if you´re a journalist, or get back to schilling if that´s all you are. The truth of 9/11 is bubbling to the surface, you better be loud or you will be drowned out. |
| Anders
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11/16/2005 7:57 PM | | Re: Tucker Carlson´s badgering of BYU 911 Professor Backfires Big Time...the Mullet tries to derail this thread!!! LOL!!! | Quote |
To: Tucker@msnbc.com
You are now claiming Prof. Jones was a bad guest. Maybe you were a bad host. Why did you not show the film of WTC collapsing? It was apparent that your failure to do so was totally unexpected by Prof. Jones. If you want some evidence of a controlled demolition, look at the film of WTC1, 2 or 7 fallling. Their fall approaches free fall in duration (i.e. no lost time for the "pancaking" that is necessitated by the regime´s conspiracy theory). Need more evidence? How about the fact that WTC1,2 and 7 are the only structural steel buildings IN HISTORY to collapse from fire, and WTC7 was not hit by an airplane or significant debris. Need more evidence?? How about the pulverization of the concrete in all three structures. Where are the chunks? Need more evidence??? How about the firemen´s tapes that did not describe any raging infernos. Need more evidence???? How about the raging infernos in the basements and molten steel for weeks after the event. Maybe you should get this man as a guest:
[link to www.arcticbeacon.com]
And you still have not .d why you said that Prof. Jones said there was government involvement. |
| Anders
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11/16/2005 7:59 PM | | Re: Tucker Carlson´s badgering of BYU 911 Professor Backfires Big Time...the Mullet tries to derail this thread!!! LOL!!! | Quote |
To: Tucker@msnbc.com
Nobody leaves, everybody stays. Faced with today´s challenges and evil it´s the real patriots who challenge the official story because of all its inconsistencies, they don´t run from it.
We´ve been told who to believe did it, but there haven´t been any convictions, just a lot of bombs dropped.
Please continue to invite guests on to speak on the subject from all view points and you´ll find someone who presents themself well... if that´s what you really want. |
| Anders
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11/16/2005 8:00 PM | | Re: Tucker Carlson´s badgering of BYU 911 Professor Backfires Big Time...the Mullet tries to derail this thread!!! LOL!!! | Quote |
To: Tucker@msnbc.com
Mr. Carlson,
FYI - I am a certified physics teacher in PA. I have read, understood, and agreed with Professor Jones´ paper on the WTC/explosives issue.
You state: "Jones was almost totally incapable of explaining his own ideas"
Not true. This topic cannot be covered in a nutshell. He was starting at a very reasonable place trying to get you to show the collapse of WTC building 7. You kept blowing him off. If that made him look/sound unreasonable, you bear part of the blame. Go to the link he gave (or use the one below) and put the collapse of WTC 7 on the air.
[link to www.wtc7.net]
You also state: "If you really thought this - or even considered it a possibility - how could you continue to live here? You couldn´t. You´d leave the United States on the next available flight and not come back."
If I was a coward, yes. But if I believed in America´s long history of freedom and justice, then I´d stay and fight for it. I have chosen to stay and spread this information to as many people as will listen. In "a government of the people, by the people, and for the people" We the people must hold our elected representatives accountable and fix the wrongs when they are perpetrated.
Step 1 is to speak the truth openly. Professor Jones has done that. Now do your job and report on it. |
| Anonymous Coward
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11/16/2005 8:00 PM | | Re: Tucker Carlson´s badgering of BYU 911 Professor Backfires Big Time...the Mullet tries to derail this thread!!! LOL!!! | Quote |
crock crock
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| Anders
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11/16/2005 8:03 PM | | Re: Tucker Carlson´s badgering of BYU 911 Professor Backfires Big Time...the Mullet tries to derail this thread!!! LOL!!! | Quote |
Mr. Carlson,
You wrote the following…
“…If you really thought this - or even considered it a possibility - how could you continue to live here? You couldn´t. You´d leave the United States on the next available flight and not come back. You´d have no choice. Continuing to pay taxes to a government capable of something so evil would make you complicit in the crime…”
Of course the problem is when you decide that you are moving for such reasons it’s because you fear for your life. You have to claim refugee status wherever you have the intention to move.
That country will have to accept your claim then study it sending a political message that the U.S. is not a safe place. I don’t know too many countries that are willing to support this claim.
This is why whenever a Cuban lands in Florida no questions asked he’s accepted. Remember that little Cuban child Elian Gonzalez, well that’s the sort of message you want to send to the world when you accept a refugee. Thus the double standard towards countries like Haiti, Mexico etc.
It’s not going to take too long before we hear of a Venezuelan asking for refugee status because he was tortured by the Chavez “gestapo”.
I think it will happen after the next poll fall of this administration.
That being said after the last presidential election, a lot of American citizens (mostly graduate students) were indeed asking for such status. Where? Well no one will ever know, since it’s not in the interest of both parties (governments) to make such matter public.
Regards
A watchful “foreigner” |
| Anders
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11/16/2005 8:03 PM | | Re: Tucker Carlson´s badgering of BYU 911 Professor Backfires Big Time...the Mullet tries to derail this thread!!! LOL!!! | Quote |
To: tucker@msnbc.com
Tucker plays dumb; no, make that ignorant
[link to www.msnbc.msn.com]
"for no obvious reason"?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
What is this, "Let´s Pretend"? Tucker pretends he´s never ever read or even heard of any of the PNAC [Project for a New American century] documents...
Well, Tucker, here´s the url for you. Read it and weep about how America "needs" a "Pearl Harbor" type "major attack" to prepare itself for the realities of "islamic" "terrorism":
[link to newamericancentury.org]
BushCheneyCo´s DAMNING "Mein Kampf".
Tucker, I posted on the internet at least seven months before Bush was [s]"elected" the FIRST time, that he would have this nation embroiled in a major endless Mideast war within a year to prove he "weally, weally is the Pweisdent," as if that was ENOUGH of an excuse given his dubious history AS A HUMAN BEING. I was a few months off... I didn´t realize just how far they would go to do con the American People into their desperate war for control of Mideast oil and to make sure that America dollars continued to be backed by Mideast oil, instead of a real currency like the Euro (backed by Gold).
No Tucker, it´s about the complete destruction of the American dollar by trading gold-backed Euros for oil, making the current net worth of the US dollar, backed by the Fed´s "Trust me" smile, about .10 of ONE CENT. For STARTERS.
That´s what their desperate war is about. Not oil, but about how oil is paid for, and in what currency. Saddam was taking Euros in trade for oil; Iran will start doing so next year, IF WE DON´T NUKE THEM INTO OBLIVION FIRST.
So now you know... you´re no longer ignorant. You know why, and if you ask the Professor, you´ll know EXACTLY HOW.
What are YOU gonna do about it?
Move? Or FIGHT? |
| Anonymous Coward
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11/16/2005 8:03 PM | | Re: Tucker Carlson´s badgering of BYU 911 Professor Backfires Big Time...the Mullet tries to derail this thread!!! LOL!!! | Quote |
Anders you type very fast! |
| Anders
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11/16/2005 8:04 PM | | Re: Tucker Carlson´s badgering of BYU 911 Professor Backfires Big Time...the Mullet tries to derail this thread!!! LOL!!! | Quote |
Tucker Carlson:
RE: WTC Towers, Prof Jones and your remarks of Wednesday.
Basic physics:
Construction-grade steel melts at 2795 degrees Fahrenheit.
Fet fuel has an ignition temperature of 410 degrees Fahrenheit.
Do the f-ing math.
More fuel does not burn ´hotter´ - it burns ´longer" but NEVER will it reach a temperature high enough to melt steel.
Don´t be so intellectually lazy, slothful, indolent, blind, retarded! i.e. Get a freakin´ CLUE!
If you need further explanation or a bigger kick in the ass to get you out of your stupor, contact me.
sheesh!
P.S. Do NOT use the flag for a blindfold! |
| Anders
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11/16/2005 8:09 PM | | Re: Tucker Carlson´s badgering of BYU 911 Professor Backfires Big Time...the Mullet tries to derail this thread!!! LOL!!! | Quote |
"Some people say", if you really want to see who bootlicker Tucker Carlson really is, watch the DVD movie OUTFOXED. His pre-interview bantering with Bush, on tape, is sickening. Carlson acts like he is in the presence of a deity, then switches personalities to that of a "professional" journalist.
Of course Bush undergoes a major transformation as well once the "interview" starts.
IRAQ, 911, TWA800, watch OUTFOXED, you will never believe anything on TV again.
WRH: I don´t believe anything I see on TV now! Even National Geographic has turned into a presstitute, as proven by their "Seconds from Disaster" whitewash of TWA 800. |
| Anders
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11/16/2005 8:39 PM | | Re: Tucker Carlson´s badgering of BYU 911 Professor Backfires Big Time...the Mullet tries to derail this thread!!! LOL!!! | Quote |
7747 my girlfriends say that too... |
| Sheriff Swaggart
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11/16/2005 8:43 PM | | Re: Tucker Carlson´s badgering of BYU 911 Professor Backfires Big Time...the Mullet tries to derail this thread!!! LOL!!! | Quote |
 for truth! |
| Anonymous Coward
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11/16/2005 8:59 PM | | Re: Tucker Carlson´s badgering of BYU 911 Professor Backfires Big Time...the Mullet tries to derail this thread!!! LOL!!! | Quote |
Tucker Carlson is a bowtie wearing sissy boy. And dumb as rocks it would appear. Very sad.
 |
| Anders
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11/16/2005 9:08 PM | | Re: Tucker Carlson´s badgering of BYU 911 Professor Backfires Big Time...the Mullet tries to derail this thread!!! LOL!!! | Quote |
Beware of anyone who wears a bow tie... |
| Anonymous Coward
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11/16/2005 9:19 PM | | Re: Tucker Carlson´s badgering of BYU 911 Professor Backfires Big Time...the Mullet tries to derail this thread!!! LOL!!! | Quote |
Beware of Republican party shills posing as journalists. |
| Anonymous Coward
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11/16/2005 9:26 PM | | Re: Tucker Carlson´s badgering of BYU 911 Professor Backfires Big Time...the Mullet tries to derail this thread!!! LOL!!! | Quote |
This is like an Emperor Kenton thread. Who is saying what? I´ll settle for the first post. ??? Can´t follow ... |
| Anders
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11/16/2005 9:31 PM | | Re: Tucker Carlson´s badgering of BYU 911 Professor Backfires Big Time...the Mullet tries to derail this thread!!! LOL!!! | Quote |
fill in? |
| GOP fundraiser
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11/16/2005 9:35 PM | | Re: Tucker Carlson´s badgering of BYU 911 Professor Backfires Big Time...the Mullet tries to derail this thread!!! LOL!!! | Quote |
What´s Tucker doing underneath the table cloth? |
| I Am He
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11/16/2005 9:47 PM | | Re: Tucker Carlson´s badgering of BYU 911 Professor Backfires Big Time...the Mullet tries to derail this thread!!! LOL!!! | Quote |
Anders, didn´t you mean ´Boyfriend´?? O copy and paste one.
Professor Jones lost his marbles back in the 90´s. So it´s just up your alley to side with him. But I do enjoy your lunatic ranting though.
Now please carry on, O Sick One.
How do you like me now??
:"I see you´re playing stupid again, looks like you´re winning": |
| Anders
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11/16/2005 9:51 PM | | Re: Tucker Carlson´s badgering of BYU 911 Professor Backfires Big Time...the Mullet tries to derail this thread!!! LOL!!! | Quote |
Coke is 99% carbon. It is not a "hydrocarbon" like jet fuel. It burns way hotter. The iron melting furnace needs vast quanties of super heated compressed air to obtain melt temperature.
Now just supposing that the steel was made soft by the oil/wood fire inside the tower. It would not have softened all the steel and weakend all the support colums evenly. One corner of the building would have given out sooner and the tower would have TOPPLED OVER and not droped strait down.
precisely |
| Anders
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11/16/2005 9:55 PM | | Re: Tucker Carlson´s badgering of BYU 911 Professor Backfires Big Time...the Mullet tries to derail this thread!!! LOL!!! | Quote |
The simple facts of temperatures:
1535ºC (2795ºF) - melting point of iron
~1510ºC (2750ºF) - melting point of typical structural steel
~825ºC (1517ºF) - maximum temperature of hydrocarbon fires burning in the atmosphere without pressurization or pre-heating (premixed fuel and air - blue flame)
Diffuse flames burn far cooler.
Oxygen-starved diffuse flames are cooler yet.
The fires in the towers were diffuse -- well below 800ºC.
Their dark smoke showed they were oxygen-starved -- particularly in the South Tower. |
| Anders
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11/16/2005 9:57 PM | | Re: Tucker Carlson´s badgering of BYU 911 Professor Backfires Big Time...the Mullet tries to derail this thread!!! LOL!!! | Quote |
Jet fuel burns at 800º to 1500ºF, not hot enough to melt steel (2750ºF).
steel melts at a temperature of 2,777 degrees Fahrenheit, but jet fuel burns at only 1,517 degrees F. No melted steel, no collapsed towers. |
| Anders
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11/16/2005 9:59 PM | | Re: Tucker Carlson´s badgering of BYU 911 Professor Backfires Big Time...the Mullet tries to derail this thread!!! LOL!!! | Quote |
Prof Jones Has Wide
Academic Support
BYU Professor Has Plenty of Company in the Academic Community,
Including 60 Faculty Members from Two Utah Universities
Who Concur a Controlled Demolition Most Likely Brought
Down the WTC and Further Investigation Is Needed
By Greg Szymanski
11-15-5
Professor Steven E. Jones is another in the long line of conservatives in the political and academic world joining the 9/11 truth movement and asking to open up further investigations on the true cause of 9/11.
The BYU physics professor who believes the WTC collapsed from a controlled demolition isn´t alone in the academic community, as a group of more than 60 colleagues from two universities also agreed with Professor Steven E. Jones´ conclusions.
Jones told the Arctic Beacon Saturday in a telephone conversation from Provo, Utah, he first presented his explosive conclusions at Brigham Young University (BYU) on September 22, to 60 people from the BYU and Utah Valley State College faculties, including professors of Engineering, Electrical Engineering, Geology, Mathematics and Psychology.
After presently scientific arguments in favor of the controlled demolition theory, Jones said everyone in attendance from all backgrounds, conservative and liberal, were in total agreement further investigation was needed.
"I was quite surprised how my conclusions were received," said Jones, adding he plans to give two continue telling the public how he came to his startling conclusions essentially ripping apart the official government story that jet fuel brought down the towers, including Building 7.
"In fact, after I researched how Building 7 fell, I am certain there existed pre-positioned explosives to bring down the three buildings."
Jones added that the contingent of faculty members at the September seminar were all in agreement that the government needed to "come clean" and release more that 6,900 photographs and close to 7,000 segments of video footage, now being held from independent investigation by the FBI and other agencies.
Since day one, the Bush administration has safely guarded much of the 9/11evidence, including the WTC steel hauled away by FEMA and eye-witness testimony of basement explosions censored by the 9/11 Commission and the state sponsored press, as well as discrediting many other scientists or academics like Jones who have disagreed with the official story.
"We are calling for the release of all the data, including the videos and photos, in order that a cross-disciplinary, preferably international team of scientists and engineers can reach an independent conclusion," said Jones, adding all 60 professors in attendance agreed with this course of action.
"Since I decided to come forward with my findings, I have found the people in the 9/11 community very supportive and helpful. I hope my contribution will one day help get at the truth of what really happened and specifically how the towers collapsed."
Jones´ theory on the way the towers collapsed was presented in a 9,000 word formal paper already approved for publication in an upcoming academic journal. The following is a partial explanation of how and why he came to his conclusions that the WTC most likely collapsed due to pre-positioned explosives. He writes:
"In writing this paper, I call for a serious investigation of the hypothesis that WTC 7 and the Twin Towers were brought down, not just by damage and fires, but through the use of pre-positioned explosives.
"I consider the official FEMA, NIST, and 9-11 Commission reports that fires plus damage alone caused complete collapses of all three buildings. And I present evidence for the explosive-demolition hypothesis, which is suggested by the available data, testable and falsifiable, and yet has not been analyzed in any of the reports funded by the US government.
And the reasoning behind his conclusions can be summed up as follows:
* The three buildings collapsed nearly symmetrically, falling down into their footprints, a phenomenon associated with "controlled demolition" - and even then it´s very difficult, he says. "Why would terrorists undertake straight-down collapses of WTC-7 and the Towers when ´toppling over´ falls would require much less work and would do much more damage in downtown Manhattan?" Jones asks. "And where would they obtain the necessary skills and access to the buildings for a symmetrical implosion anyway? The ´symmetry data´ emphasized here, along with other data, provide strong evidence for an ´inside´ job."
* No steel-frame building, before or after the WTC buildings, has ever collapsed due to fire. But explosives can effectively sever steel columns, he says.
* WTC 7, which was not hit by hijacked planes, collapsed in 6.6 seconds, just .6 of a second longer than it would take an object dropped from the roof to hit the ground. "Where is the delay that must be expected due to conservation of momentum, one of the foundational laws of physics?" he asks. "That is, as upper-falling floors strike lower floors - and intact steel support columns - the fall must be significantly impeded by the impacted mass. . . . How do the upper floors fall so quickly, then, and still conserve momentum in the collapsing buildings?" The paradox, he says, "is easily resolved by the explosive demolition hypothesis, whereby explosives quickly removed lower-floor material, including steel support columns, and allow near free-fall-speed collapses." These observations were not analyzed by FEMA, NIST nor the 9/11 Commission, he says.
* With non-explosive-caused collapse there would typically be a piling up of shattering concrete. But most of the material in the towers was converted to flour-like powder while the buildings were falling, he says. "How can we understand this strange behavior, without explosives? Remarkable, amazing - and demanding scrutiny since the U.S. government-funded reports failed to analyze this phenomenon."
* Horizontal puffs of smoke, known as squibs, were observed proceeding up the side the building, a phenomenon common when pre-positioned explosives are used to demolish buildings, he says.
* Steel supports were "partly evaporated," but it would require temperatures near 5,000 degrees Fahrenheit to evaporate steel - and neither office materials nor diesel fuel can generate temperatures that hot. Fires caused by jet fuel from the hijacked planes lasted at most a few minutes, and office material fires would burn out within about 20 minutes in any given location, he says.
* Molten metal found in the debris of the World Trade Center may have been the result of a high-temperature reaction of a commonly used explosive such as thermite, he says. Buildings not felled by explosives "have insufficient directed energy to result in melting of large quantities of metal," Jones says.
* Multiple loud explosions in rapid sequence were reported by numerous observers in and near the towers, and these explosions occurred far below the region where the planes struck, he says.
For Jones´ full report go to www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html. |
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11/16/2005 10:14 PM | | Re: Tucker Carlson´s badgering of BYU 911 Professor Backfires Big Time...the Mullet tries to derail this thread!!! LOL!!! | Quote |
Re: "Incidentally, we still have an open mind here on the Situation, even after Professor Stephen Jones. So if evidence ever does arise that the government lied substantially about what happened on September 11th, we´ll be on it immediately. I promise."
I will hold you to that promise.
On 9-11, after President Bush was informed by Andy Card that the second plane had hit the second World Trade Tower, the moment Bush himself stated that he knew the nation was under attack, Bush just sat there reading about goats until it was time to make his speech.
We´ve all seen the video tape; it was a major part of Michael Moore´s "Fahrenheit 9/11".
For every other official in the US entitled to their protection, the Secret Service Protective Details rushed them into secured locations to keep them safe. That is what the USSS Protective Detail does. That is all they do.
But in Bush´s case the Secret Service did not move him. They did not put him into the armored limousine and start driving. They let him sit, reading about goats.
Bush´s presence at the school had been in the media three days in advance. There was an airport just four miles from the school. And at the time, supposedly nobody could know how many planes were flying over the eastern half of the country crashing into buildings.
Normally, the United States Secret Service is trained to grab the President and get him to a secured location the instant any threat is perceived. Yet the actions of President Bush´s Secret Service detail clearly show they were not at all worried about their charge.
So, how did the United States Secret Service know that President Bush was not in any danger?
How did the United States Secret Service know that President Bush did not need to be moved?
How did the United States Secret Service know that they were not making targets of those students and teachers by keeping them in that room with the President?
How did the United States Secret Service KNOW FOR A FACT that President Bush was not a target.
Because they knew in advance what the targets were?
Michael Rivero |
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