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“It is no exaggeration to say that the fate of Japan and the whole world depends on No. 4 reactor” — Appeals for independent assessment team

 
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along the same lines.. what are you planning to be doing in 30,000 years? cool2

The point I was making is that U235 is going to exist basically until this Earth is likely void of all humans... making it, mathematically, more horrid.

I don't deny the awfulness of plutonium... but it is produced in significantly less quantity than U235 and because of that it logically is less of an issue in the grand scale of things.
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it isn't so much about the half life, more about the toxicity, measured in what humans have called LD50
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Its' both..either way.
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you are right.

it isn't going to go away, that's for sure.

only think/best thing .. party on
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chorus

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Sounds like every country of the world unite or its byekitty
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polar bears now

we're fucked

Alaska polar bears, protected under the Endangered Species Act, have joined the list of far-north species afflicted with a mystery illness. An iconic animal that has become a symbol for global awareness of a melting arctic, polar bears are beginning to show up with hair loss and lesions. Polar bear researchers with the U.S. Geological Survey are only halfway into their annual survey in Alaska and they’ve already come across nine bears – six in Barrow and 3 in Kaktovik – with signs of alopecia and skin lesions. The muzzle, face, eyes, ears and neck appear most affected, according to a bulletin published Friday by the agency.

[link to hisz.rsoe.hu]
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I'm buying a geiger counter. I guess that answers another part of my question..our skin will mottle off and then we'll succumb to radiation sickness.
Spread the word, change the collective conscious......
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polar bears now

we're fucked

Alaska polar bears, protected under the Endangered Species Act, have joined the list of far-north species afflicted with a mystery illness. An iconic animal that has become a symbol for global awareness of a melting arctic, polar bears are beginning to show up with hair loss and lesions. Polar bear researchers with the U.S. Geological Survey are only halfway into their annual survey in Alaska and they’ve already come across nine bears – six in Barrow and 3 in Kaktovik – with signs of alopecia and skin lesions. The muzzle, face, eyes, ears and neck appear most affected, according to a bulletin published Friday by the agency.

[link to hisz.rsoe.hu]
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It's due(Imo)to Methane Hydrates and resulting Hydrogen Sulfides that are rising from the Ocean Floor in the Artic Seas and Gas Platforms around the Globe.
The thing that hath been,
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and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun.
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Methane Hydrates and resulting Hydrogen Sulfide is Evil Stuff: [link to en.wikipedia.org]

'Causes of the extinction event

Pin-pointing the exact cause (or causes) of the Permian-Triassic extinction event is a difficult undertaking, mostly due to the fact that the catastrophe occurred over 250 million years ago, and much of the evidence that would have pointed to the cause has either been destroyed by now or is concealed deep within the Earth under many layers of rock. The seafloor is also completely recycled every 200 million years due to the ongoing process of plate tectonics and seafloor spreading, thereby leaving no useful indications beneath the ocean. With the fairly significant evidence that scientists have managed to accumulate, there are several proposed mechanisms for the extinction event, including both catastrophic and gradualistic processes (similar to those theorized for the Cretaceous–Tertiary extinction event). The former include large or multiple bolide impact events, increased volcanism, or sudden release of methane hydrates from the sea floor. The latter include sea-level change, anoxia, and increasing aridity.[12] Any hypothesis about the cause must explain the selectivity of the event, which primarily affected organisms with calcium carbonate skeletons; the long (4–6 million year) period before recovery started; and the minimal extent of biological mineralization (despite inorganic carbonates being deposited) once the recovery began'

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Plus the Crazy Fools are Mining the stuff: [link to www.ornl.gov]

They must Luv Doom.
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polar bears now

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Alaska polar bears, protected under the Endangered Species Act, have joined the list of far-north species afflicted with a mystery illness. An iconic animal that has become a symbol for global awareness of a melting arctic, polar bears are beginning to show up with hair loss and lesions. Polar bear researchers with the U.S. Geological Survey are only halfway into their annual survey in Alaska and they’ve already come across nine bears – six in Barrow and 3 in Kaktovik – with signs of alopecia and skin lesions. The muzzle, face, eyes, ears and neck appear most affected, according to a bulletin published Friday by the agency.

[link to hisz.rsoe.hu]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13925395


It's due(Imo)to Methane Hydrates and resulting Hydrogen Sulfides that are rising from the Ocean Floor in the Artic Seas and Gas Platforms around the Globe.
 Quoting: Spittin'Cesium


jeez thank fuck for that
hydrogen sulfide release is a possible extincion level event

:sarcasm off:

i thought we had enough on our hands with massive fallout
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so whats the timeframe on this scenario?
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so whats the timeframe on this scenario?
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good question
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polar bears now

we're fucked

Alaska polar bears, protected under the Endangered Species Act, have joined the list of far-north species afflicted with a mystery illness. An iconic animal that has become a symbol for global awareness of a melting arctic, polar bears are beginning to show up with hair loss and lesions. Polar bear researchers with the U.S. Geological Survey are only halfway into their annual survey in Alaska and they’ve already come across nine bears – six in Barrow and 3 in Kaktovik – with signs of alopecia and skin lesions. The muzzle, face, eyes, ears and neck appear most affected, according to a bulletin published Friday by the agency.

[link to hisz.rsoe.hu]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13925395


It's due(Imo)to Methane Hydrates and resulting Hydrogen Sulfides that are rising from the Ocean Floor in the Artic Seas and Gas Platforms around the Globe.
 Quoting: Spittin'Cesium


jeez thank fuck for that
hydrogen sulfide release is a possible extincion level event

:sarcasm off:

i thought we had enough on our hands with massive fallout
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13925395


Sorry: [link to e360.yale.edu]

Could be a possibility.
The thing that hath been,
is That which shall be;
and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun.
Ecclesiastes 9:1
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so whats the timeframe on this scenario?
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bump
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so whats the timeframe on this scenario?
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bump
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About 4 Billion Years..why?
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polar bears now

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Alaska polar bears, protected under the Endangered Species Act, have joined the list of far-north species afflicted with a mystery illness. An iconic animal that has become a symbol for global awareness of a melting arctic, polar bears are beginning to show up with hair loss and lesions. Polar bear researchers with the U.S. Geological Survey are only halfway into their annual survey in Alaska and they’ve already come across nine bears – six in Barrow and 3 in Kaktovik – with signs of alopecia and skin lesions. The muzzle, face, eyes, ears and neck appear most affected, according to a bulletin published Friday by the agency.

[link to hisz.rsoe.hu]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13925395


It's due(Imo)to Methane Hydrates and resulting Hydrogen Sulfides that are rising from the Ocean Floor in the Artic Seas and Gas Platforms around the Globe.
 Quoting: Spittin'Cesium


jeez thank fuck for that
hydrogen sulfide release is a possible extincion level event

:sarcasm off:

i thought we had enough on our hands with massive fallout
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13925395


Sorry: [link to e360.yale.edu]

Could be a possibility.
 Quoting: Spittin'Cesium


could explain irritation to the eyes nose throat etc. but hair loss and lesions?

Kyshtym Disaster, USSR, 29 September 1957

Working conditions at Mayak resulted in severe health hazards and many accidents.[6] The most notable accident occurred on 29 September 1957, when the failure of the cooling system for a tank storing tens of thousands of tons of dissolved nuclear waste resulted in a chemical (non-nuclear) explosion having a force estimated at about 75 tons of TNT (310 gigajoules). This released 740 PBq (20 MCi) of fission products, of which 74 PBq (2 MCi) drifted off the site, creating a contaminated region of 15,000-20,000 km2 called the East Urals Radioactive trace.[1][2] Subsequently, at least 200 people died of radiation sickness, 10,000 people were evacuated from their homes, and 470,000 people were exposed to radiation. People "grew hysterical with fear with the incidence of unknown 'mysterious' diseases breaking out. Victims were seen with skin 'sloughing off' their faces, hands and other exposed parts of their bodies."[7] "Hundreds of square miles were left barren and unusable for decades and maybe centuries. Hundreds of people died, thousands were injured and surrounding areas were evacuated."[8] This nuclear accident, the Soviet Union's worst before the Chernobyl disaster, is categorised as a level 6 "serious accident" on the 0-7 International Nuclear Events Scale.
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I am absolute for a independent Team
outside of the Nuclear Complex!

Tepco is not alone in the Mess,
there is the INCR, NISA, the NCA, MEXT and the UNSCEAR
but i doubt that this is all a Free World had to offer!

There are a few Consultants from different Countries too
but they offer a Service and not a independent Brainstorming!

On the other Side we have the physical Conditions,
they do not change, no Matter if someone from France
or someone from Tepco handle the Fuel!

Tepco supported the SFP Nr. 4 a lot
and i wrote it already: "They even think it is safer than before"
but i am also not very comfortable with this Solution!

Last Edited by The real and almighty Atom-Boy on 04/07/2012 02:00 AM
G.Y.!B.E.
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so whats the timeframe on this scenario?
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bump
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About 4 Billion Years..why?
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that soon huh, i better get ready.
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I am absolute for a independent Team
outside of the Nuclear Complex!

Tepco is not alone in the Mess,
there is the INCR, NISA, the NCA, MEXT and the UNSCEAR
but i doubt that this is all a Free World had to offer!

There are a few Consultants from different Countries too
but they offer a Service and not a independent Brainstorming!

On the other Side we have the physical Conditions,
they do not change, no Matter if someone from France
or someone from Tepco handle the Fuel!

Tepco supported the SFP Nr. 4 a lot
and i wrote it already: "They even think it is safer than before"
but i am also not very comfortable with this Solution!
 Quoting: Atom-Boy


Hey there Atom!

How are you!?

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The thing that hath been,
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and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun.
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so whats the timeframe on this scenario?
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bump
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1015009


About 4 Billion Years..why?
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that soon huh, i better get ready.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1015009


: )

From now until then,you know what I meant.
The thing that hath been,
is That which shall be;
and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun.
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It's due(Imo)to Methane Hydrates and resulting Hydrogen Sulfides that are rising from the Ocean Floor in the Artic Seas and Gas Platforms around the Globe.
 Quoting: Spittin'Cesium


jeez thank fuck for that
hydrogen sulfide release is a possible extincion level event

:sarcasm off:

i thought we had enough on our hands with massive fallout
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13925395


Sorry: [link to e360.yale.edu]

Could be a possibility.
 Quoting: Spittin'Cesium


could explain irritation to the eyes nose throat etc. but hair loss and lesions?

Kyshtym Disaster, USSR, 29 September 1957

Working conditions at Mayak resulted in severe health hazards and many accidents.[6] The most notable accident occurred on 29 September 1957, when the failure of the cooling system for a tank storing tens of thousands of tons of dissolved nuclear waste resulted in a chemical (non-nuclear) explosion having a force estimated at about 75 tons of TNT (310 gigajoules). This released 740 PBq (20 MCi) of fission products, of which 74 PBq (2 MCi) drifted off the site, creating a contaminated region of 15,000-20,000 km2 called the East Urals Radioactive trace.[1][2] Subsequently, at least 200 people died of radiation sickness, 10,000 people were evacuated from their homes, and 470,000 people were exposed to radiation. People "grew hysterical with fear with the incidence of unknown 'mysterious' diseases breaking out. Victims were seen with skin 'sloughing off' their faces, hands and other exposed parts of their bodies."[7] "Hundreds of square miles were left barren and unusable for decades and maybe centuries. Hundreds of people died, thousands were injured and surrounding areas were evacuated."[8] This nuclear accident, the Soviet Union's worst before the Chernobyl disaster, is categorised as a level 6 "serious accident" on the 0-7 International Nuclear Events Scale.
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I'm not saying it is'nt Fuku that may be the culprit but rather the fact that it has been a fact for a while now that Methane Hydrates have been on the move,Russian Scientists recently discovered plumes over a Mile Wide by the Hundreds(estimated to be far higher)rising in the Arctic Oceans.

Though you may be correct,I'm not decided.
The thing that hath been,
is That which shall be;
and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun.
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"Definitely a nuclear detonation.
The ability of the human race to ignore the obvious never ceases to flabbergast me - fukkabuncha being amazed.
I'm flabbergasted.
It's not only mind-boggling, it's downright scary."




WTF do you think most of us, who were NEVER stupid or arrogant enough to think such things couldn't or wouldn't happen, can DO about any of this???? We didn't DO it, we didn't MAKE it. It was done by governments and insane corporations, like General Electric.
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"Definitely a nuclear detonation.
The ability of the human race to ignore the obvious never ceases to flabbergast me - fukkabuncha being amazed.
I'm flabbergasted.
It's not only mind-boggling, it's downright scary."




WTF do you think most of us, who were NEVER stupid or arrogant enough to think such things couldn't or wouldn't happen, can DO about any of this???? We didn't DO it, we didn't MAKE it. It was done by governments and insane corporations, like General Electric.
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Why are you being so defensive!?

Who's blaming you?
The thing that hath been,
is That which shall be;
and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun.
Ecclesiastes 9:1
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Most of the nuclear shit "power plants" are made for the ulterior motive of creating weapon-grade plutonium and uranium, is it NOT? GOVERNMENTS DO THIS SHIT, not the simple plain old folks.
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"Definitely a nuclear detonation.
The ability of the human race to ignore the obvious never ceases to flabbergast me - fukkabuncha being amazed.
I'm flabbergasted.
It's not only mind-boggling, it's downright scary."




WTF do you think most of us, who were NEVER stupid or arrogant enough to think such things couldn't or wouldn't happen, can DO about any of this???? We didn't DO it, we didn't MAKE it. It was done by governments and insane corporations, like General Electric.
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what can we DO?

become carbon again?
cry if you want

become carbon i think
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I ust take offense to somebody saying the human race....it's the shit scum of the human race...not most of us...just a few stupid pieces of shit.
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Most of the nuclear shit "power plants" are made for the ulterior motive of creating weapon-grade plutonium and uranium, is it NOT? GOVERNMENTS DO THIS SHIT, not the simple plain old folks.
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No-one is blaming the common Folks!?

Just the fact that alot simply do not care nor are even aware of the ongoing situation.

Please relax.
The thing that hath been,
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and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun.
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dodge the raindrops lovers
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Then don't point your finger and lecture anybody about the faults of mankind, because it this mess is the direct, obvious consequence of a clearly definable group of fucking imbeciles rolling in the money they have been paid to allow it all to happen in the first place.
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If the media was worth a fucking shit, they would be lecturing us about the pieces of shit that set it all in motion and made all the big money, but instead, they are worthless whores, trying to ignore it.
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Most of the nuclear shit "power plants" are made for the ulterior motive of creating weapon-grade plutonium and uranium, is it NOT? GOVERNMENTS DO THIS SHIT, not the simple plain old folks.
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Yeah , since Japan only now has just 1 or a few reactors online. They have so many unneccessary reactors.

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