“It is no exaggeration to say that the fate of Japan and the whole world depends on No. 4 reactor” — Appeals for independent assessment team

Thats exactly how I feel.


There is nothing that any of us are going to do to stop what is already in the water heading our way.


There is nothing that we are going to do to stop what is in the jet stream.


All we can do is hope that maybe they will do something about what has not yet happened.


But, I dont believe anything will be done except for letting the whole damn thing go down the drain.


Georgia Guidstones say it all.

I have found it rather strange that there has not been a worldwide panel of experts tapped for this issue. Makes you wonder who knows what and why that information is not being shared.

That's what I thought.

Silence then immidiate Fear.

F.or
E.ach
A.
R.oad

F.or
E.veryman
A.
R.eligion

F.E.A.R

two things you need for a brighter future
1. Morphine
2. Nappies

F.or
E.verything
A.
R.eason

Never Forget.

Thank you OP!

You brought the Thread : )

Keep up the work on Fukushima my Friend!

So you think that all the scientists in the world are being forced to NOT look into this?

Go watch vid by the very informed Helen Caldicott 58:00 and report back.
One mention that sticks is the fact that these expected genetic deformities will be passed on to next generations.

As for it all being planned, nwo and all that, there is NO ONE, not even the psychos getting out of this one.

Oops, Helen Caldicott vid on youtube.

OK.. good. I saw the thread title and was irked at how misleading it was.

I'm glad you cleared that up as Unit 4 was, in fact, not loaded with fuel at the time of the tsunami but the Spent Fuel Pool is basically at capacity.

Good lookin out!

FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK US ALL TO DEATH

Ok, let me rephrase that. I am surprised there has not been an avalanche of the brightest scientific minds in the world saying "Let us help, try X, Y, or Z".

so when should west coasters start tunneling?

I have to say that when the earthquake first struck, there were a lot of people talking about the mox. But as things settled down, it was all about the cesium, and if the levels were a little higher it wasn't a huge deal because the half life was low etc.

So please excuse me for forgetting, but is there mox in reactor 4 as well as the containment unit 50 meters away? Or is it just cesium? And could someone remind us of what is bad about the mox? I remember it being horrible, but would love it if someone would take the time to refresh.

Thanks.

It was probably mostly due to TEPCO in collusion with the Japanese government doing all they could to downplay the situation..Playing stupid face saving games with a situation that is beyond anything people have had to even contemplate trying to deal with.

Oh about a year ago...


We arent getting away from it.


I live in the Pacific NW. Love it while I still can.

Gotta' be done!

Cannot blame OP though as MSM has been horrific with descriptive terms for everything regarding Fukushima and Nuclear Plants in general,esp. the differing ways of measuring Radiologicals.

Cool name by the way : )

The fact that they haven't been offering help is what is scary to me. What if they all just have no real solution at all? Or know that any solution that they do have, just won't cut it in the long run.

If Humanity understood Nuclear Fallout from Nuclear Plants in Meltdown esp.the potential due to the shear amounts of Fuel they have stored in Fukushima alone,they know there would be total and utter panic by the Morning.

Last Edited by Spittin'Cesium on 04/06/2012 11:53 PM

The half life of cesium is 30 years. The mox reactor was unit #3, unit #4 is the spent fuel storage area and the reactor was not online at the time of the earthquake/tsunami. Mox is worse than regular fuel, it is more toxic as it uses a mix of plutonium rather than just urnanium (at least to the best of my layman's understanding).

Last Edited by Southern OR on 04/06/2012 11:49 PM

Last May

This is correct : )

^^^Yes, this is what I'm talking about.

Shitz.
My tummy!

damn it jim....

Thanks Spittin Cesium, nice to know I've learned my lessons well over the last year. I have to say when I have spoken to my "normal" friends about this, they look at me with wide eyes and lowered jaws when I talk about radionuclides.

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Mixed oxide fuel, commonly referred to as MOX fuel, is nuclear fuel that contains more than one oxide of fissile material. MOX fuel contains plutonium blended with natural uranium, reprocessed uranium, or depleted uranium. MOX fuel is an alternative to the low-enriched uranium (LEU) fuel used in the light water reactors that predominate nuclear power generation. For example, a mixture of 7% plutonium and 93% natural uranium reacts similarly, although not identically, to LEU fuel.

One attraction of MOX fuel is that it is a way of utilizing surplus weapons-grade plutonium, an alternative to storage of surplus plutonium, which would need to be secured against the risk of theft for use in nuclear weapons.[1][2] On the other hand, some studies warned that normalising the global commercial use of MOX fuel and the associated expansion of nuclear reprocessing will increase, rather than reduce, the risk of nuclear proliferation, by encouraging increased separation of plutonium from spent fuel in the civil nuclear fuel cycle.[3][4][5]

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in a nutshell, Mixed Oxide Fuel is reprocessed Nuke fuel that contains extremely lethal amounts of Plutonium and Uranium, amongst many other deadlies.... they don't need it for nuke weapons anymore, so they are reusing it in the reactors.

microscopic amounts are deadly.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

they hint at 'fast breeder' reactors to safely use it, but they are a dream.....

'corium' is the result of a meltdown and the mixing of many other elements including containment fragments and cement... it to is deadly and was only a sci-fi 'mock' up as nobody has ever observed it as we do now......

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Plutonium threat at Japan reactor, expert warns

The mixed oxide fuel used in the reactor where an explosion occurred today is more toxic than regular uranium, a Japanese nuclear expert warns............ The fuel used in the Japanese nuclear reactor where an explosion occurred today is more volatile and toxic than the fuel used in the other reactors there, a Japanese nuclear expert warned.

At a press conference in Tokyo, Masashi Goto, who worked for Toshiba as a reactor researcher and designer, said the mixed oxide (MOX) fuel used in unit 3 of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant contains plutonium, which is much more toxic than the fuel used in the other reactors.

MOX fuel is a mixture of uranium and plutonium reprocessed from spent uranium, and is sometimes involved in the disposal of weapons-grade plutonium.

Goto added that the MOX also has a lower melting point than the other fuels. The Fukushima facility began using MOX fuel last September, becoming the third plant in Japan to do so. .......... The two most dangerous situations to monitor are the state of the reactor cores and the containment vessels.

When asked about the worst-case scenario, Goto said he would "rather not think about that." He also said there are too many factors to figure to make a solid conclusion on what will happen.

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[link to news.cnet.com]

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Corium (nuclear reactor)
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The Three Mile Island reactor 2 after the meltdown.

Corium, also called fuel containing material (FCM) or lava-like fuel containing material (LFCM), is a lava-like molten mixture of portions of nuclear reactor core, formed during a nuclear meltdown, the most severe class of a nuclear reactor accident. It consists of nuclear fuel, fission products, control rods, structural materials from the affected parts of the reactor, products of their chemical reaction with air, water and steam, and, in case the reactor vessel is breached, molten concrete from the floor of the reactor room.

The heat for melting the reactor may originate from the nuclear chain reaction, but more commonly decay heat of the fission products contained in the fuel rods is the primary heat source. The heat production from decay heat drops quickly as the short half-life isotopes provide most of the activity decay (the actual curve is a sum of exponentials decaying at different rates). Another heat source is oxidation chemical reactions of the hot metals with atmospheric oxygen or steam.

Chain reaction and corresponding increased heat production may progress in parts of the corium if a critical mass can be achieved locally. This condition can be detected by presence of short-life fission products long after the meltdown, in amounts too high to be remaining from the controlled reaction inside the pre-meltdown reactor. As chain reactions generate high amounts of heat and fresh, highly radioactive fission products, this condition is highly undesirable.

The temperature of corium depends on its internal heat generation dynamics – the amount of decay heat producing isotopes, the dilution by other molten materials – and its heat losses – the physical configuration and the heat losses to the environment. A compact mass will lose less heat than a thinly spread layer. Corium of high enough temperature can melt concrete. A solidified mass of corium can remelt itself if its heat losses drop, for instance if it becomes covered by heat-insulating debris or if the water cooling it evaporates.

Crusts can be formed on the corium mass, acting as thermal insulators and hindering thermal losses. Heat distribution through the corium mass is influenced by different thermal conductivities between the molten oxides and metals. Convection in the liquid phase significantly increases heat transfer.[1]

The molten reactor core releases volatile compounds. These can stay in gas phase, such as molecular iodine or noble gases, or condense into aerosol particles after they leave the high-temperature region. A high proportion of aerosol particles originates from the reactor control rod materials. The gaseous compounds may become adsorbed on the surface of the aerosol particles.
[edit] Corium composition and reactions

The composition of corium depends on the type of the reactor, specifically on the materials used in the control rods and the coolant. There are differences between PWR and BWR coriums.

In contact with water, hot boron carbide from BWR reactor control rods forms first boron oxide and methane, then boric acid. Boron may also be contributed to these reactions by the boric acid in an emergency coolant.

Zirconium from zircaloy, together with some other metals, reacts with water and produces zirconium dioxide and hydrogen. The production of hydrogen is a major danger in reactor accidents. The balance between oxidizing and reducing atmospheres and the proportion of water and hydrogen influences the formation of chemical compounds. Variations in the volatility of core materials influence the ratio of released elements. For instance, in an inert atmosphere, the silver-indium-cadmium alloy of control rods releases almost only cadmium. In the presence of water, the indium forms volatile indium(I) oxide and indium(I) hydroxide, which evaporate and form an aerosol of indium(III) oxide. The indium oxidation is inhibited by a hydrogen-rich atmosphere, resulting in lower indium releases. Caesium and iodine from the fission products react to produce volatile caesium iodide, which condenses as aerosols.[2].............. Reactor vessel breaching

In absence of adequate cooling, the inside of the reactor overheats, deforms as the portions undergo thermal expansion, then structurally fails once the temperature reaches the melting point of the structural materials. The melt then accumulates on the bottom of the reactor vessel. In case of adequate cooling of the corium melt, it can solidify and the spread of damage is limited to the reactor. However, corium may melt through the reactor vessel and flow out or be ejected as a molten stream by the pressure inside the reactor. The reactor failure may be caused by overheating of its bottom by the corium melt, resulting first in creep failure and then in breach of the vessel. High level of cooling water above the corium layer may allow reaching a thermal equilibrium below the metal creep temperature, without reactor vessel failure.[5]

If the vessel is sufficiently cooled, a crust between the melt and the reactor wall can form. The layer of molten steel on top of the oxide creates a zone of increased heat transfer to the reactor wall;[1] this condition, known as "heat knife", exacerbates probability of formation of a localized weakening of the side of the reactor vessel and subsequent corium leak.

In case of high pressure inside the reactor vessel, breaching of its bottom may result in high-pressure blowout of the corium mass. In the first phase, only the melt itself is ejected; later a depression forms in the center of the hole and gas is discharged together with the melt, resulting in rapid decrease of pressure inside the reactor; the high temperature of the melt also causes rapid erosion and enlargement of the vessel breach. If a hole is in the center of the bottom, nearly all corium can be ejected. A hole in the side of the vessel may lead to only partial ejection of corium, retaining its portion inside the reactor.[6] Melt-through of the reactor vessel may take from few tens of minutes to several hours.

After breaching the reactor vessel, the conditions in the reactor cavity below the core govern the production of gases. If water is present, steam and hydrogen are generated; dry concrete results in production of carbon dioxide and smaller amount of steam.[7]...........

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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Last Edited by CitizenPerth™ on 04/06/2012 11:54 PM

Coupla things. I don't think there is a solution. Workers can't get close enough to cap it or make a hangar over it like they did Chernobyl and that took months, very different situation uncomplicated by many factors operating at Fuku.
That said, the NWO corporate protocol is happening here just as it did in the Gulf of Mexico.
Many countries DID offer their equipment, expertise and assistance.;
Corporations are protected, not people, not the ecosystem nothing has value save for the immediate dollar.
TEPCO and GE are being protected in this case just as BP was protected and worldwide bids to assist.

Corporations are taking down the entire world with them.
There is no vision or conscience operating. Not even their own survival.

Darn, wish I could edit.

Badass!