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Why Drugs cannot provide Spiritual experience (Was: Real Reason Legalizing Drugs)

 
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This one of the dumbest threads/notions I've ever seen posted on GLP.
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One of the best responses EVER POSTED ON GLP.
WAR INSIDE MY HEAD.
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Drugs cant provide spiritual experiences unless your into some heavy stuff like DMT or LSD then you might see some stuff but im for sure marijuana will not provide any kind of spiritual experience!
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Is the stupid catching on this forum today or something?

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to www.420magazine.com]
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You're shilling the idea that select drugs cannot be used to reach a spiritually enlightening place, when in fact, anyone who actually does practice the very tenants of Shamanism would be able to tell you otherwise wholeheartedly.


Now, stap it. Shill.
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I would argue that Shaminism has led some cultures into some pretty dark, unenlightened shit that benefits Demonic Astral Entities VERY MUCH.

In fact, your overall tone and rabidness suggests you would be highly susceptible to negative Astral influence.
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You didn't even spell shamanism correctly. And one does not have tone over the internet, however, when one person makes an ignorant claim the likes that you have, one tends to upset people that know otherwise.

Overall, you still don't know what you're talking about. Enjoy your one star, I'm done bumping your useless thread, and I can see why the OP of the other thread banned you after reading the posts that you made, and after debating you in this thread.

Live in your world of delusions. Far be it from me to stop you.
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04/07/2012 03:44 PM
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Drugs cant provide spiritual experiences unless your into some heavy stuff like DMT or LSD then you might see some stuff but im for sure marijuana will not provide any kind of spiritual experience!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3194735


Is the stupid catching on this forum today or something?

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to www.420magazine.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7659486


Is the stupid catching on this forum today or something?
Yes I am Jamaican and understand the culture and have some relatives that are Rastafarian's, but the Rastafarian's use marijuana and believe it to have spiritual healing properties but that does not mean it actually does! Rastafarian's and common marijuana smokers would not share the same beliefs or experiences at all. Lol does anybody in this forum that smokes weed feel that when they smoke it brings them closer to Jah? Didn't think so, and anyone that quotes with a Wikipedia link is a retard
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You can't argue my point. Noted.

Pointing out a typo is not a valid argument. Noted.

Failure on your part: Noted for all to see.
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04/07/2012 03:48 PM

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You are clearly Anti-Marijuana by reading the last forum and this one! What problem do you have with the plant? Some people enjoy it and some don't, just like alcohol. Cannabis has been given a bad name by the media because of its medicinal purposes and is classified as a type 3 drug along side of cocaine and LSD which is absolutely insane. Cannabis is completely harmless and less destructive by far then most if not all legalized drugs. I respect your opinion to be against the plant but you don't need to try to force your opinions on other people who enjoy the plant!

Marijuana should at least be decriminalized and moved to a type 2 or type 1 drug, People who smoke once in a while are not murderers or criminals and do not belong in jail! The plant was taken a way from us because it is to easily accessible to the public, especially to take it medicinally. Please go do your research on the plant and please don't watch no stupid history channel or discovery channel crap, go watch the unbiased views of real scientists providing real scientific facts! Don't be a sheep

Drugs cant provide spiritual experiences unless your into some heavy stuff like DMT or LSD then you might see some stuff but im for sure marijuana will not provide any kind of spiritual experience!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3194735


I am for decriminalization of Marijuana and maybe even Cocaine.

I don't like them, but I believe in people's rights to have them.

That said, I just don't like it and I think it brings people down.

The other thread drifted into this spiritual area (Did I put it there? Not sure, can't remember) but wanted to play out my thoughts on using drugs to obtain spirituality.

DMT being the most popular argument, because the brain produces it and Shamyns use it (I misspelled it on purpose to tweak the spelling nazi.)

Well, look where that got them? Just saying. DMT and Shahmens aren't a valid argument.
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04/07/2012 03:51 PM
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Haha you can't be serious, opie... are you just trolling for reactions, here?

Anyway, better get busy deleting any dissent now you're able to.
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04/07/2012 03:55 PM

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Haha you can't be serious, opie... are you just trolling for reactions, here?

Anyway, better get busy deleting any dissent now you're able to.
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I don't delete dissent. I'm trying to have a discussion. The dissenters are the ones acting trollish; it's plain to see.
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04/07/2012 03:57 PM
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This one of the dumbest threads/notions I've ever seen posted on GLP.
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clappa
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Most people who do drugs aren't doing it with the right intent in the first place.
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The bible was written by men who were using hallucinogenic drugs. It's a trap system.
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I've seen and heard some amazing things on dmt.
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04/07/2012 04:33 PM
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this reality is a trip. you are on dmt right now. OH MY FUCKING GOD IT MUST BE DEMONIC
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04/07/2012 04:35 PM
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OH MY FUCKING GOD IT MUST BE DEMONIC
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waaaht
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Certain drugs are accelerants to the direction the individual is already heading in. Some are contaminants and cause impedance. The total lack of drugs can also be an accelerant or an impedance. As can social involvement, or lack of it. As can proper diet, or an improper one. The list is beyond any one person to set in stone, therefor, let no man tell God how to conduct It's business with each individual. That is unless you claim to know more about God than God Itself. Be very careful.
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Certain drugs are accelerants to the direction the individual is already heading in. Some are contaminants and cause impedance. The total lack of drugs can also be an accelerant or an impedance. As can social involvement, or lack of it. As can proper diet, or an improper one. The list is beyond any one person to set in stone, therefor, let no man tell God how to conduct It's business with each individual. That is unless you claim to know more about God than God Itself. Be very careful.
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You know? That's probably the best advice of all. I got a little full of myself.
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04/07/2012 09:53 PM
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By definition, spirituality is SPIRITIUAL. It has nothing to do with physical objects in the material world. It is not a vapor released from a plant or a chemical released in digestion that starts tweaking your brain's pleasure receptors.

REAL Spirituality is experienced by spiritual discipline, there are no shortcuts.

Oh sure, there are shortcuts that will take you into some pretty fantastic areas of demonic deception and if it's lies your after than go for it...

But the real stuff is hard work, devotion, piety, sacrifice and humility.

Like everything else in this world, there's the real thing that almost no one ever finds, and there's the counterfeit that is widely available.
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clappa
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Last Edited by Dease on 05/25/2012 10:23 AM
"Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid or terrified because of them, for the LORD your God goes with you; he will never leave you nor forsake you." - Matthew 22: 37-39

"What good will it be for a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul?" - Galatians 5: 22-23
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There is the Flesh Man and the Spirit Man, and many that fall in between. The Flesh Man sees all things logically, reasons with only what he sees, sometimes judgmental of those who are spiritual.

The Spirit Man uses all his senses when reasoning, at times he forsakes common sense in is opinions and beliefs.

Being either is bad as we can learn from both of these types of people. Its trying to understand one another, and to a degree seeing life through there eyes. It brings us closer together than arguing. Sadly there are some who are spiritually dead.

There are very few who would condone using drugs to gain spiritual insight on North American Native lands, a sip of tea made from mushrooms is not going to give you insights into the spiritual realms in itself. Now I got to go get the bus but if anyone is interested I can tell you about one of these ceremonies but I have 5 mins to catch the bus lol. I did find it interesting, I do not partake in drugs to gain spiritual insight so may be a objective person on what I know.
Your Anishinaabe friend Shinnob, Shinnob @ you tube.

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