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Are The Local Fluff and The Heavy Mass Object one and the same?

 
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I was looking into black dwarf/brown dwarf descriptions and that same thought occurred to me too...

hmm Glad you brought it up...
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I knew some would have similar thoughts on this. We share the same space. Or time, for that matter.

No thanks...

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These 3, in order of release;






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Thanks,TBar. You were among the ones I liked to see a thought from.

You provided a couple of hours worth watching, but I would prefer a more personal response. When possible.
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Thus having the same effects as a solid object.

We can't see it, but it's there.

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"Using data from Voyager, we have discovered a strong magnetic field just outside the solar system,"
[link to science.nasa.gov]





^^
 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


ohyeah

There always will be magnetic disturbances, but something that returns every 26.000 years belongs to our solar system.

Even a cloud can be dense...
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It came to me in mind that The Local Fluff (aka Interstellar Cloud, Fluffy) and The Heavy Mass Object (aka Nibiru, Nemisis, Planet X, Wormwood) could be one and the same thing.

A disintegrated star or planet would not be as dense as it was, when it still was a solid object, but it would have the same mass as it used to have. Thus having the same effects as a solid object.

We can't see it, but it's there.

This would possibly explain the "irregular" effects of it on our solar system, Sun and Earth. Because the mass is dispersed.

I'm eager to have some thoughts on this.


 Quoting: Searchalot



Yep...


Thread: The sun is reacting to forces that can’t be seen. As requested, we will now “show” them to you and explain NIBIRU, PLANET X, and WORMWOOD.




Goofy Thum
 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


I hadn't seen that thread before....

Thanks.

But as a summary: I'm not that far off?
 Quoting: Searchalot


As a summary:

Our threads seem to agree with each other.





:)
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Thus having the same effects as a solid object.

We can't see it, but it's there.

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"Using data from Voyager, we have discovered a strong magnetic field just outside the solar system,"
[link to science.nasa.gov]





^^
 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


ohyeah

There always will be magnetic disturbances, but something that returns every 26.000 years belongs to our solar system.

Even a cloud can be dense...
 Quoting: Searchalot



hmm..


belongs to?

What if something occurs at an earlier interval?




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Thus having the same effects as a solid object.

We can't see it, but it's there.

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"Using data from Voyager, we have discovered a strong magnetic field just outside the solar system,"
[link to science.nasa.gov]





^^
 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


ohyeah

There always will be magnetic disturbances, but something that returns every 26.000 years belongs to our solar system.

Even a cloud can be dense...
 Quoting: Searchalot



hmm..


belongs to?

What if something occurs at an earlier interval?




?
 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


No matter what interval, but if it can be measured in Earth years, imo it's part of our solar system.
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"Using data from Voyager, we have discovered a strong magnetic field just outside the solar system,"
[link to science.nasa.gov]





^^
 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


ohyeah

There always will be magnetic disturbances, but something that returns every 26.000 years belongs to our solar system.

Even a cloud can be dense...
 Quoting: Searchalot



hmm..


belongs to?

What if something occurs at an earlier interval?




?
 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


No matter what interval, but if it can be measured in Earth years, imo it's part of our solar system.
 Quoting: Searchalot



Humble opinion- not 'part of'

but

binary: [link to en.wikipedia.org]



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What if it isn't binary, what if there are more than two, maybe with different masses? Is there evidence to support there being only two and what the masses would be?
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What if it isn't binary, what if there are more than two, maybe with different masses? Is there evidence to support there being only two and what the masses would be?
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Would it make a differece if there were 6?


One unseen mass seems to be enough. But yes, it could be more.




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Not quite. The "fluff" is certainly NOT local but is preceeding a galactic superwave emanating from the super massive black hole at the centre of our galaxy (referred to as Sagittarius A by astronomers). Follow up the work of Dr Paul De Violette for more info on the superwave. The "fluff" has been increasing the electro-static activity of all the planets for over 50 years (refer to the work of Dr Alexey Dmitriev at:

[link to tmgnow.com]

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Came across some interesting information about the nature of supermassive black holes...they spin so fast that the mass is flattened out into a disk/plane of dark matter.

Like a giant vinyl record spinning the song of creation, stirring the mass into motion.

These are the beginnings of galaxies, the tidal ripple of the disk accretes hydrogen atoms out of the plank field and star precipitation follows there after. (That part I just though of)

The planar gravitational skirt propagated by the center of the Milky Way is apparently what the solar system is passing through after 2012 (the end of 2012/beginning 2013 is supposed to be the first of 7 pre-cataclysm events...then the crossing/cataclysm)

[link to www.youtube.com]
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ohyeah

There always will be magnetic disturbances, but something that returns every 26.000 years belongs to our solar system.

Even a cloud can be dense...
 Quoting: Searchalot



hmm..


belongs to?

What if something occurs at an earlier interval?




?
 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


No matter what interval, but if it can be measured in Earth years, imo it's part of our solar system.
 Quoting: Searchalot



Humble opinion- not 'part of'

but

binary: [link to en.wikipedia.org]



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 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


If the cloud is indeed a heavy mass object, then it could be the twin of our sun.

Or triplet.

But I hadn't had enough feedback to make an assumption yet. This was just a theory I made up.
Usually when it comes to subjects like this, a small army of self-proclaimed authorities jump in and provide a huge amount of wisdom upon one.

Apparantly there are little links to share on this little spin of the mind.
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hmm..


belongs to?

What if something occurs at an earlier interval?




?
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No matter what interval, but if it can be measured in Earth years, imo it's part of our solar system.
 Quoting: Searchalot



Humble opinion- not 'part of'

but

binary: [link to en.wikipedia.org]



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 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


If the cloud is indeed a heavy mass object, then it could be the twin of our sun.

Or triplet.

But I hadn't had enough feedback to make an assumption yet. This was just a theory I made up.
Usually when it comes to subjects like this, a small army of self-proclaimed authorities jump in and provide a huge amount of wisdom upon one.

Apparantly there are little links to share on this little spin of the mind.
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Ofcours I don't discount your input, at the least.
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It came to me in mind that The Local Fluff (aka Interstellar Cloud, Fluffy) and The Heavy Mass Object (aka Nibiru, Nemisis, Planet X, Wormwood) could be one and the same thing.

A disintegrated star or planet would not be as dense as it was, when it still was a solid object, but it would have the same mass as it used to have. Thus having the same effects as a solid object.

We can't see it, but it's there.

This would possibly explain the "irregular" effects of it on our solar system, Sun and Earth. Because the mass is dispersed.

I'm eager to have some thoughts on this.

goodnews


btw, for those who don't know what I'm talking about, just search on GLP.
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Every time I think I've managed to dismiss Nibiru something comes up and puts it back in the spotlight. It is becoming increasingly annoying.

As it currently stands we know of two things; The local fluff and the IBEX ribbon. I personally know of a large number of changes in our solar system that don't make sense but do make sense when you take into account the fluff but also possibly the Ribbon.

I have seen Nibiru heavily debunked (this and chemtrails seem to bring all the Gov/shills out) but for some reason I don't feel like I should ever dismiss it.

If Planet-X does exist and it was connected to the fluff I would not have thought the fluff would have arrived as early as it did. I would speculate that the fluff is more likely to have originated from what we're already in rather than what is coming.
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It came to me in mind that The Local Fluff (aka Interstellar Cloud, Fluffy) and The Heavy Mass Object (aka Nibiru, Nemisis, Planet X, Wormwood) could be one and the same thing.

A disintegrated star or planet would not be as dense as it was, when it still was a solid object, but it would have the same mass as it used to have. Thus having the same effects as a solid object.

We can't see it, but it's there.

This would possibly explain the "irregular" effects of it on our solar system, Sun and Earth. Because the mass is dispersed.

I'm eager to have some thoughts on this.

goodnews


btw, for those who don't know what I'm talking about, just search on GLP.
 Quoting: Searchalot


Every time I think I've managed to dismiss Nibiru something comes up and puts it back in the spotlight. It is becoming increasingly annoying.

As it currently stands we know of two things; The local fluff and the IBEX ribbon. I personally know of a large number of changes in our solar system that don't make sense but do make sense when you take into account the fluff but also possibly the Ribbon.

I have seen Nibiru heavily debunked (this and chemtrails seem to bring all the Gov/shills out) but for some reason I don't feel like I should ever dismiss it.

If Planet-X does exist and it was connected to the fluff I would not have thought the fluff would have arrived as early as it did. I would speculate that the fluff is more likely to have originated from what we're already in rather than what is coming.
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Thanks, I appreciate the share of your mind.

But what if the fluff is more dense in certain parts of it? Thus more mass concentrated in certain spots. Wouldn't that make influences on our solar system even more unpredictable?

The word Nibiru makes my hair stand straight for a lot of years now, but I see it as something from history which we can learn from. And as you said, don't forget.
I used its name in the op as a trigger for thought.
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Thanks, I appreciate the share of your mind.

But what if the fluff is more dense in certain parts of it? Thus more mass concentrated in certain spots. Wouldn't that make influences on our solar system even more unpredictable?

The word Nibiru makes my hair stand straight for a lot of years now, but I see it as something from history which we can learn from. And as you said, don't forget.
I used its name in the op as a trigger for thought.
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I agree with you when you say denser in certain parts. It's why I suggested what we're in rather than something coming. I personally believe we've been going through pockets of this for a while but we could be in deep enough in now that it is no longer pockets but the actual thing.
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Thanks, I appreciate the share of your mind.

But what if the fluff is more dense in certain parts of it? Thus more mass concentrated in certain spots. Wouldn't that make influences on our solar system even more unpredictable?

The word Nibiru makes my hair stand straight for a lot of years now, but I see it as something from history which we can learn from. And as you said, don't forget.
I used its name in the op as a trigger for thought.
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I agree with you when you say denser in certain parts. It's why I suggested what we're in rather than something coming. I personally believe we've been going through pockets of this for a while but we could be in deep enough in now that it is no longer pockets but the actual thing.
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Yes, there should be denser columns of plasma within the fluff.

Normally, the fluff would be kept outside the heliosphere.

My thoughts;

Fluff comes along and submerges us a long time ago. Within fluff is the brown dwarf. The brown dwarf finally arrives and punches through the heliosheath. The magnetic ribbon is the magnetic field of the brown dwarf. As it hit and entered the heliosphere, NASA had said they are seeing the 'knot' of magnetism untying. If we envision the magnetic N/S field of the earth, we can see that the fields come out at N/S poles and flow in the opposite direction of sun and sometimes form a 'ribbon' like shape.

You know the magnetic cancer ribbons (and others) on the back of cars you see everywhere? Well, put it on its side and you can easily visualize the image.

So, the magnetic ribbon at the edge of the heliosphere is actually the magnetosphere of the brown dwarf. Again, visualize the image of the ribbon on its side. The front hits the heliosphere, and as it goes deeper inside the heliosphere you get to a point where the ribbon crosses and streams behind. That crossing point was the 'knot', and as the brown dwarf kept going into our system, the streamers appear to be 'untying'.

Good. All makes perfect sense.

But, we are also submerged in the fluff (plasma). The plasma follows the dwarf planet in! Just like the Titanic sinking into the depths and creating a 'vacuum' sucking down everything with it, the brown dwarf is doing the same.

All of this occurring at a convergence point that includes the Grand Alignment and crossing of the galaxy's ecliptic.
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But what if the fluff is more dense in certain parts of it? Thus more mass concentrated in certain spots. Wouldn't that make influences on our solar system even more unpredictable?


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Dense in some spots more that others...


Yep:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


But as a "whole"- wouldn't you expect the gravitational forces to be constant?





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But what if the fluff is more dense in certain parts of it? Thus more mass concentrated in certain spots. Wouldn't that make influences on our solar system even more unpredictable?


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Dense in some spots more that others...


Yep:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


But as a "whole"- wouldn't you expect the gravitational forces to be constant?





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Well, actually I would envision it as the cloud from a forest-fire.
First you see small clouds of smoke, which makes you cough, then bigger and eventually dense enough to kill you with a single take of breath.

For the whole forest the effect will be the same: it will burn. But for an individual tree or animal the difference will depend on the intensity of the local fluffs if it survives or not.
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But what if the fluff is more dense in certain parts of it? Thus more mass concentrated in certain spots. Wouldn't that make influences on our solar system even more unpredictable?


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Dense in some spots more that others...


Yep:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


But as a "whole"- wouldn't you expect the gravitational forces to be constant?





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Well, actually I would envision it as the cloud from a forest-fire.
First you see ...

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First you see this:
[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

^Sign of Son of Man^

From afar it looks like this:
[link to cseligman.com]



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But what if the fluff is more dense in certain parts of it? Thus more mass concentrated in certain spots. Wouldn't that make influences on our solar system even more unpredictable?


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Dense in some spots more that others...


Yep:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


But as a "whole"- wouldn't you expect the gravitational forces to be constant?





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Well, actually I would envision it as the cloud from a forest-fire.
First you see ...

 Quoting: Searchalot



First you see this:
[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

^Sign of Son of Man^

From afar it looks like this:
[link to cseligman.com]



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Thanks, I appreciate the share of your mind.

But what if the fluff is more dense in certain parts of it? Thus more mass concentrated in certain spots. Wouldn't that make influences on our solar system even more unpredictable?

The word Nibiru makes my hair stand straight for a lot of years now, but I see it as something from history which we can learn from. And as you said, don't forget.
I used its name in the op as a trigger for thought.
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I agree with you when you say denser in certain parts. It's why I suggested what we're in rather than something coming. I personally believe we've been going through pockets of this for a while but we could be in deep enough in now that it is no longer pockets but the actual thing.
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With a somehow denser part then we're already in. That would collaborate with my question in the op.

Thanks for the insights. Looking for more.
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We're also near the edge of the cloud.

Thread: Riding the Interface Region
I have been searching for a while, trying to found out how long it takes for the Solar System to transit through interstellar cloud boundaries.

These cloud boundaries are termed, Interface Regions. Well, it seems to be a surprisingly short time-frame - ~500 years. Of course, this is 'best guess'. But, at these Interface Regions theSolar System (Earth) begins to see changes...mainly cosmic ray influx as well as neutral particles changing.

We are seeing exactly those things occurring, as well as other changes and unprecidented findings occurring in the solar environment...



The Sun’s journey through the local interstellar medium: the paleoLISM and paleoheliosphere -

The primary conclusion of this paper is that, over the past several million years, both the galactic environment of the Sun and the heliosphere have been significantly different than they are today. Observational data combined with theoretical studies can be used to reconstruct the three-dimensional distribution of nearby ISM, and predict the times the Sun transitioned between different environments. If we assume a continuously distributed local ISM, within the past ~130,000 ± ~70,000 years, and possibly as recent as ~56,000 years ago, the Sun entered low density partially ionized ISM flowing away from the direction of the Scorpius-Centaurus Association. Sometime within the past ~40,000 years the Sun entered the cloud now surrounding the solar system, the LIC. These estimates rely on topologically simple models of the cluster of local interstellar clouds (CLIC) flowing past the Sun; more elaborate models are discussed elsewhere (Frisch, 1994; Gry, 1996; Mueller et al., 2006, FS06). As the Sun moves through this complex of local interstellar clouds, the boundary conditions of the heliosphere should change by substantial amounts due to changes in cloud temperature, velocity, and opacity-driven variations in the ionization of the surrounding ISM. Prior to that, the Sun was in the low density plasma of the Local Bubble cavity. Between the Local Bubble cavity and the CLIC, the Sun briefly (~500 years) passed through an interface region of some type.
[link to www.astrophys-space-sci-trans.net]
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Our heliosphere is like a protective cocoon being inflated in the interstellar medium by the Sun’s million mph solar wind. As our Sun orbits the center of the galaxy every 225 million years, it bobs in and out of the disk of the galaxy like a horse on a merry–go–round. As it does this, it passes through areas of the interstellar medium that are more and less dense, causing the heliosphere to change in shape and size. Denser areas can compress the heliosphere, while less dense regions allow the bubble to expand. In addition, the strength of the solar wind varies over the Sun’s cycle, "breathing" periodically, also contributing to this.

Understanding how all of these things affect the heliosphere is important so that we can better understand how the heliosphere protects us. It is a crucial layer of protection against dangerous cosmic rays that are harmful to living things. As cosmic rays approach the heliosphere, they are deflected, and the majority of them are not able to pass into the inner Solar System. Fortunately, our Earth’s magnetic field is usually able to shield life on Earth from the remaining cosmic rays. However, astronauts on deep space missions cannot bring the Earth’s protection with them. We must also consider how the heliosphere will protect us in the distant future or how it did protect us in the past. Understanding the heliosphere and how it protects us is part of understanding our home in the galaxy.

[link to www.ibex.swri.edu]

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But what if the fluff is more dense in certain parts of it? Thus more mass concentrated in certain spots. Wouldn't that make influences on our solar system even more unpredictable?


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Dense in some spots more that others...


Yep:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


But as a "whole"- wouldn't you expect the gravitational forces to be constant?





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 Quoting: Daniel's Seventieth Seven 1071051


Well, actually I would envision it as the cloud from a forest-fire.
First you see ...

 Quoting: Searchalot



First you see this:
[link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

^Sign of Son of Man^

From afar it looks like this:
[link to cseligman.com]



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That would be some sight in the skies, wouldn't it?

So our binary star could be a cloud? Why not?
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We're also near the edge of the cloud.

Thread: Riding the Interface Region
I have been searching for a while, trying to found out how long it takes for the Solar System to transit through interstellar cloud boundaries.

These cloud boundaries are termed, Interface Regions. Well, it seems to be a surprisingly short time-frame - ~500 years. Of course, this is 'best guess'. But, at these Interface Regions theSolar System (Earth) begins to see changes...mainly cosmic ray influx as well as neutral particles changing.

We are seeing exactly those things occurring, as well as other changes and unprecidented findings occurring in the solar environment...



The Sun’s journey through the local interstellar medium: the paleoLISM and paleoheliosphere -

The primary conclusion of this paper is that, over the past several million years, both the galactic environment of the Sun and the heliosphere have been significantly different than they are today. Observational data combined with theoretical studies can be used to reconstruct the three-dimensional distribution of nearby ISM, and predict the times the Sun transitioned between different environments. If we assume a continuously distributed local ISM, within the past ~130,000 ± ~70,000 years, and possibly as recent as ~56,000 years ago, the Sun entered low density partially ionized ISM flowing away from the direction of the Scorpius-Centaurus Association. Sometime within the past ~40,000 years the Sun entered the cloud now surrounding the solar system, the LIC. These estimates rely on topologically simple models of the cluster of local interstellar clouds (CLIC) flowing past the Sun; more elaborate models are discussed elsewhere (Frisch, 1994; Gry, 1996; Mueller et al., 2006, FS06). As the Sun moves through this complex of local interstellar clouds, the boundary conditions of the heliosphere should change by substantial amounts due to changes in cloud temperature, velocity, and opacity-driven variations in the ionization of the surrounding ISM. Prior to that, the Sun was in the low density plasma of the Local Bubble cavity. Between the Local Bubble cavity and the CLIC, the Sun briefly (~500 years) passed through an interface region of some type.
[link to www.astrophys-space-sci-trans.net]
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Our heliosphere is like a protective cocoon being inflated in the interstellar medium by the Sun’s million mph solar wind. As our Sun orbits the center of the galaxy every 225 million years, it bobs in and out of the disk of the galaxy like a horse on a merry–go–round. As it does this, it passes through areas of the interstellar medium that are more and less dense, causing the heliosphere to change in shape and size. Denser areas can compress the heliosphere, while less dense regions allow the bubble to expand. In addition, the strength of the solar wind varies over the Sun’s cycle, "breathing" periodically, also contributing to this.

Understanding how all of these things affect the heliosphere is important so that we can better understand how the heliosphere protects us. It is a crucial layer of protection against dangerous cosmic rays that are harmful to living things. As cosmic rays approach the heliosphere, they are deflected, and the majority of them are not able to pass into the inner Solar System. Fortunately, our Earth’s magnetic field is usually able to shield life on Earth from the remaining cosmic rays. However, astronauts on deep space missions cannot bring the Earth’s protection with them. We must also consider how the heliosphere will protect us in the distant future or how it did protect us in the past. Understanding the heliosphere and how it protects us is part of understanding our home in the galaxy.

[link to www.ibex.swri.edu]

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 Quoting: Swinging on Spirals


Thanks, but riding the disk of the galaxy doesn't explain a returning event recorded in human history if it takes 200+ million years to ride it.
But there could be more spiraling going around than we can measure at the moment.

BTW, those images do give an idea of how litlle we really know.
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Not sure what you are talking about when you mention the riding of the disk in relation to my post of the Interface Region.

The interface region is the entrance and exits points of the heliosphere and the interstellar clouds. Has nothing to do with the galactic disk.
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but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!"

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I posted this last month which relates...

Thread: A little birdie lead me too...
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He will come in the CLOUDS literally, as a personal being with a body of flesh and bones (Luke 24:36-43, 50, 51), and His coming will be visible

Fluffy Cloud?
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He will come in the CLOUDS literally, as a personal being with a body of flesh and bones (Luke 24:36-43, 50, 51), and His coming will be visible

Fluffy Cloud?
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ohyeah
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body,
but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!"

We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived.
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Not sure what you are talking about when you mention the riding of the disk in relation to my post of the Interface Region.

The interface region is the entrance and exits points of the heliosphere and the interstellar clouds. Has nothing to do with the galactic disk.
 Quoting: Swinging on Spirals


I was referring to the returning event of a heavy mass object in recorded human history. With that in mind, my theory in the op can not be our solar system traveling through clouds, but instead re-entering it.
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I posted this last month which relates...

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Great thread.

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