Tookie Williams, highly acclaimed childrenīs book writer... | |
Jeffro User ID: 19909 United States 11/17/2005 02:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 23 New Zealand 11/17/2005 03:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | - This cannot be a life wasted. - Judging by what he has done it clearly has been wasted. Everythign is as it should be. I am not a proponent of the death sentence. However why advocate only for this man to be pardoned? Winning rozes and so forth is not the only measure of a man or woman or the changes they have made from the person who murdered others. |
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Jeffro User ID: 19909 United States 11/17/2005 03:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Plenty of "Bill Whiteguys" have been sent to the chair. Maybe he is being put to death becuase he took 4 lives. You think? But you believe that he is faching death becuase he is black. By your reasoning then, he killed 4 people becuase he was black. Or maybe black people should be able to kill without being punished. |
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salimandr nli (OP) User ID: 42362 United States 11/17/2005 03:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | jeffro, hmmmmm. nope, itīs not cuz heīs black...itīs because he was accused of a crime that...."no physical evidence ever pointed to his involvement." i guess that is the reason theyīre seeking clemency (not death) for Tookie. i guess too that you didnīt bother to go to either of the listed sites? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 23 New Zealand 11/17/2005 03:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I understand what youīre saying Sal. However the tenor of the article, rightly or wrongly, is that his life is more valuable because of the prizes and talent. EVERYONE has talents, and all are capable of great change. I see the House case is coming up again, on DNA proving he wasnīt the rapist... Iīve always found it ironic that to punish people for doing something society finds abhorrent, namely killing another person, they then kill them... |
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Sinanju nli User ID: 19989 United States 11/17/2005 03:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When he is crispy fried... will they stop printing his books? If not, then his oh-so wonderful literary ability will still be being utilized... I read about a guy last year who was executed for murder... he worked in the prison making license plates.. his license plates helped thousands of people on the highways of this country... Should he have been executed? With all his "talent"? |
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salimandr nli (OP) User ID: 42362 United States 11/17/2005 03:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 10413, well, go to the sites and perhaps they will be more telling than a simple article statement by someone else? iīve never seen that killing one for killing another will put an end to killing. murder by knife is the same as murder by injection/hanging/elecric chair...imho. everyone has special talents and has their own uniqueness...and itīs wonderful that through his life heīs saved so many more than he ever "alledgely" took. itīs not prizes that make anyone a "winner"...but he did something in order to earn what he did. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 23 New Zealand 11/17/2005 03:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sal You and I are not in disagreement on the big picture, merely the finer details. Please do not assume that I am not helping people in my life just because I disagree with you or havenīt written a childrenīs book. I live in a country that does not have a death penalty. |
salimandr nli (OP) User ID: 42362 United States 11/17/2005 03:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | well, if he gets clemency...and dna shows he had nothing to do with anything...theyīve held him for a while for wrong things. clemency wonīt let him out of prison, it will simply stop the killing of him. maybe people are just tired of paying for his stay? |
Sinanju nli User ID: 19989 United States 11/17/2005 03:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey Sal, How many children did he "kill" by founding the Crips? If you are going to expound upon how many he "saved" then I would like to see how many he "damned". How many of those children that he "saved" got into their predicament becuaseof the gang he founded and the gang paradigm he created? America would listen to you bleeding hearts a little more if some of that lifeblood would fall for the victims as opposed to the animals. |
salimandr nli (OP) User ID: 42362 United States 11/17/2005 03:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 10413, no problem, believe me. iīve never been one for the death penalty...even when a friend was murdered, i didnīt want death for him...what would that have done? killed another is all. i do hope people go the sites and read up...then decide for yourself what you wish to do with it. |
salimandr nli (OP) User ID: 42362 United States 11/17/2005 03:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sinanju nli, oh my goodness. how many kids would not be involved in gangs or had their lives destroyed through "gang" activity if there would have been a home to go to? a mother and a father willing to be invovled with the childs life? a neighbor who would take time to see that the child may be un-attended to and may go to a gang for some protection or type of "family"?? Tookie at the time may have thought of a name for such a group or even been (perhaps) a leader type of such a group...but others join for various reasons that have nothing to do with Tookie. Sinanju...can you list some reasons why someone would join any gang? or why there are other gangs that Tookie had nothing to do with?? it all boils down to...are you going to try to get clemency for Tookie or not? |
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salimandr nli (OP) User ID: 42362 United States 11/17/2005 03:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | iīve seen victims in life...and for someone to have no other acclaimation other than a "gang" was named...no evidence of anything else leading to him...for me...i say clemency in this case. he still wonīt get out of prison, so you neednīt worry that he might be out on the streets. he would simply be able to write more books and encourage more children to stay out of gangīs and gang activity and do something better for themselves. i prefer from now on that you not try to lable me. thank you. |
salimandr nli (OP) User ID: 42362 United States 11/17/2005 04:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 10413, i thank you. sometimes its difficult to understand what someone is meaning when reading a typed word...other times itīs not difficult to see where someone is coming from, maybe. i didnīt mean that you havenīt done things to help...and iīm sorry if anything i said was taken as such. iīve worked with kids and if there isnīt a family "unit" that is there backing them up...theyīll usually end up in the street...and the gangs will become the family unit...protection, acceptance is what theyīre looking for. do kids do things wrong? yeppers. do they do things without thinking? yeppers. do they do things for which they have no idea theyīll get life or worse for? (at the time) yeppers. the children need parents...teachers...neighbors who will be able to help them achieve well in life. too many kids have fallen through the cracks. |
Sinanju nli User ID: 19989 United States 11/17/2005 04:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I will label you as I see fit. Just as you are labelling a convicted murderer and gang originator as some sort of saint. What is good for the goose is good for the gander, chief. As for your "bleeding heart" response about good families and all that claptrap.. STOP moving the goalposts... Broken families did not found the crips.. they did not murder at least four people in cold blood.. Tookie did. As for "hating" Tookie.. you are correct. I hate those who murder innocents and corrupt children. You can lick their boots if you wish but they will not respect you for it.. and nobody else will either. I will dance on this thread the day he is a smoking corpse and the families who were torn asunder by his evil have a chance for resolution. and it will look like this.... |
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salimandr nli (OP) User ID: 42362 United States 11/17/2005 04:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sinanju nli, as is stated already: "Tookie Williams, co-founder..." he didnīt even name the gang alone.... please show where i called Tookie a saint? and again: "Williams deeply regrets his gang involvement but has always maintained his innocence of these crimes. In fact no physical evidence ever pointed to his involvement." did you see that? in fact, no physical evidence ever pointed to his invovlement. that alone would lead me to wonder why heīs been in prison for so many years...let alone why heīs on death row...let alone why anyone would so lather for his death. reformation is real...that is part of the story you evidently missed royally. did the goal post change again? oh yeah, call me whatever makes you happy....you seem intent on it anyway. |