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Tookie Williams, highly acclaimed childrenīs book writer...

 
salimandr nli
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11/17/2005 02:54 PM
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Tookie Williams, highly acclaimed childrenīs book writer...
I canīt word it better than Roberta Franklin:

"There is not a better example of anyone turning their life around than this man.If we kill him, remember, we are not killing a gang member, we are killing a reformed gang member, a Nobel Peace Prize nominee, a childrenīs writer and a model prisoner who has spent many, many years in prison.We will no longer be able to say we are a forgiving moralistic people. We will be no better than the so-called terrorists we say we are hunting down every day. If you are forbidden for speaking out about anything that does not concern our organization, then feel free to send my e-mail around to anyone you would like to send it too.With all the advocates and organizations we have in this country, regardless of what you are fighting for, surely we can all stop and take the time to write a letter on this manīs behalf. This cannot be a life wasted.If you take the time to write a letter on his behalf please send me a copy so that I can compile them and get them to the National media outlets. Lets use our resources to get this done. December 13 is not far away. For this holiday season, lets give the gift of life. Lets ask for the life of Tookie Williams to be spared. He has done more in prison than may of us will ever do out here.Thank you so much.



Tookie Williams, co-founder of the infamous Crips gang, was convicted in 1981 for the murder of four people. Unless Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger grants clemency, he will be executed on December 13, 2005.

Williams deeply regrets his gang involvement but has always maintained his innocence of these crimes. In fact no physical evidence ever pointed to his involvement.

But it is Williamsī activities in prison that have drawn an international outcry about his pending execution. While on death row at San Quentin State Prison, Tookie Williams has written nine highly-acclaimed childrenīs books that educate young people about avoiding gangs, crime and incarceration. His
Tookie Protocol For Peace < [link to www.tookie.com] has helped reduce gang violence. His childrenīs books and memoir, Blue Rage, Black Redemption < [link to www.tookie.com] , have received multiple nominations for the Nobel Peace and Literature prizes.

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According to e-mails to [email protected] from youth, parents, teachers and law enforcement officials, Tookie has saved the lives of over 150,000 youth.
This summer he was even recognized by President Bush when he received a presidential award for his volunteer work.

In 2002, a federal court rejected Tookieīs appeal against his sentence but recommended clemency. Time is now running out. Unless Gov. Schwarzenegger grants clemency, Stan Tookie Williams will die December 13 - one of three California men scheduled for execution in the next two months.

In their petition for clemency, Tookieīs lawyers said: "This petition is about redemption, rehabilitation and hope. It is about a single man, a prisoner for a quarter century, who found purpose while facing death by execution. It is about the positive impact one man can have on the lives of others, even from Death Row."

Support that plea by contacting Gov. Schwarzenegger. Call (916) 445-2841
e-mail [email protected] or fax (916) 445-4633. See a sample letter
< [link to www.savetookie.com]

Help save Tookie Williams.

For more information visit Tookieīs Web site < [link to www.tookie.com] or sign the clemency petition
< [link to www.petitiononline.com] to the governor.
Jeffro

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11/17/2005 02:59 PM
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"Tookie Williams, co-founder of the infamous Crips gang, was convicted in 1981 for the murder of four people."
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Why isnt he dead already?
Anonymous Coward
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11/17/2005 03:02 PM
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- This cannot be a life wasted. -

Judging by what he has done it clearly has been wasted. Everythign is as it should be. I am not a proponent of the death sentence.

However why advocate only for this man to be pardoned? Winning rozes and so forth is not the only measure of a man or woman or the changes they have made from the person who murdered others.
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11/17/2005 03:03 PM
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I am sure his victims feel the same way....why don´t you ask them.

This time or the next....one of them we shall get it right.
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11/17/2005 03:04 PM
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rozes = prizes
Anonymous Coward
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11/17/2005 03:08 PM
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If he changed his name to Bill Whiteguy, they wouldnīt try to kill him.
Jeffro

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11/17/2005 03:13 PM
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Plenty of "Bill Whiteguys" have been sent to the chair.

Maybe he is being put to death becuase he took 4 lives. You think?

But you believe that he is faching death becuase he is black.

By your reasoning then, he killed 4 people becuase he was black.

Or maybe black people should be able to kill without being punished.
Sinanju nli
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11/17/2005 03:13 PM
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Fry Tookie!
salimandr nli (OP)
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11/17/2005 03:17 PM
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10413,
it is not asking for a "pardon" but for clemency so that heīs not put to death. if youīre not for the death penalty, this would be a case you may have a difference in.
salimandr nli (OP)
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11/17/2005 03:20 PM
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jeffro,
hmmmmm. nope, itīs not cuz heīs black...itīs because he was accused of a crime that...."no physical evidence ever pointed to his involvement."

i guess that is the reason theyīre seeking clemency (not death) for Tookie. i guess too that you didnīt bother to go to either of the listed sites?
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11/17/2005 03:21 PM
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I only ask that the court show him as much clemency as he showed his 4 victims.
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11/17/2005 03:23 PM
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I understand what youīre saying Sal. However the tenor of the article, rightly or wrongly, is that his life is more valuable because of the prizes and talent.

EVERYONE has talents, and all are capable of great change.

I see the House case is coming up again, on DNA proving he wasnīt the rapist...

Iīve always found it ironic that to punish people for doing something society finds abhorrent, namely killing another person, they then kill them...
salimandr nli (OP)
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11/17/2005 03:24 PM
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10413,
"Tookie has saved the lives of over 150,000 youth..."

thatīs quite a bit of lives heīs helped while alive...how many wonīt he be able to help if heīs put to death? or are you willing to take up where he will have left off?
Jeffro

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11/17/2005 03:26 PM
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its becuase one is murder

the other is justice.

You kill someone (or 4 someones in this case) then you pay with your own life.

The first 4 killings are murder.

the 5th is justice.
Sinanju nli
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11/17/2005 03:27 PM
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When he is crispy fried... will they stop printing his books?

If not, then his oh-so wonderful literary ability will still be being utilized...

I read about a guy last year who was executed for murder... he worked in the prison making license plates.. his license plates helped thousands of people on the highways of this country...

Should he have been executed? With all his "talent"?
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"Tookie has saved the lives of over 150,000 youth..."

Good job Tookie. Maybe GOD will take that into account and go easy on you.
salimandr nli (OP)
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11/17/2005 03:29 PM
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10413,
well, go to the sites and perhaps they will be more telling than a simple article statement by someone else?

iīve never seen that killing one for killing another will put an end to killing. murder by knife is the same as murder by injection/hanging/elecric chair...imho.

everyone has special talents and has their own uniqueness...and itīs wonderful that through his life heīs saved so many more than he ever "alledgely" took. itīs not prizes that make anyone a "winner"...but he did something in order to earn what he did.
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11/17/2005 03:31 PM
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"Vengance is mine" sayeth daī Alpha Male.

You think you got the cojones to ursurp his prerogative, boy?







What if youīre wrong?
salimandr nli (OP)
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11/17/2005 03:33 PM
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odd, that....some hear are accusing him of something that even the court said there was...."no physical evidence ever pointed to his involvement."


were you guys there or how do you know more than the court?
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11/17/2005 03:34 PM
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Sal

You and I are not in disagreement on the big picture, merely the finer details.

Please do not assume that I am not helping people in my life just because I disagree with you or havenīt written a childrenīs book.

I live in a country that does not have a death penalty.
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11/17/2005 03:37 PM
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OT woo woo,
well, if he gets clemency...and dna shows he had nothing to do with anything...theyīve held him for a while for wrong things. clemency wonīt let him out of prison, it will simply stop the killing of him.

maybe people are just tired of paying for his stay?
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11/17/2005 03:39 PM
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Hey Sal,

How many children did he "kill" by founding the Crips?

If you are going to expound upon how many he "saved" then I would like to see how many he "damned". How many of those children that he "saved" got into their predicament becuaseof the gang he founded and the gang paradigm he created?

America would listen to you bleeding hearts a little more if some of that lifeblood would fall for the victims as opposed to the animals.
salimandr nli (OP)
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11/17/2005 03:42 PM
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10413,
no problem, believe me.

iīve never been one for the death penalty...even when a friend was murdered, i didnīt want death for him...what would that have done? killed another is all.


i do hope people go the sites and read up...then decide for yourself what you wish to do with it.
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11/17/2005 03:50 PM
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Sinanju nli,
oh my goodness.
how many kids would not be involved in gangs or had their lives destroyed through "gang" activity if there would have been a home to go to? a mother and a father willing to be invovled with the childs life? a neighbor who would take time to see that the child may be un-attended to and may go to a gang for some protection or type of "family"?? Tookie at the time may have thought of a name for such a group or even been (perhaps) a leader type of such a group...but others join for various reasons that have nothing to do with Tookie.

Sinanju...can you list some reasons why someone would join any gang? or why there are other gangs that Tookie had nothing to do with??

it all boils down to...are you going to try to get clemency for Tookie or not?
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11/17/2005 03:57 PM
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Sinanju

So much anger.

hugs


Salimander

I can feel your intentions my friends. Hang onto them. hugs
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11/17/2005 03:57 PM
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Sinanju nli,
iīve seen victims in life...and for someone to have no other acclaimation other than a "gang" was named...no evidence of anything else leading to him...for me...i say clemency in this case. he still wonīt get out of prison, so you neednīt worry that he might be out on the streets. he would simply be able to write more books and encourage more children to stay out of gangīs and gang activity and do something better for themselves.

i prefer from now on that you not try to lable me. thank you.
salimandr nli (OP)
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11/17/2005 04:03 PM
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10413,
i thank you. sometimes its difficult to understand what someone is meaning when reading a typed word...other times itīs not difficult to see where someone is coming from, maybe. i didnīt mean that you havenīt done things to help...and iīm sorry if anything i said was taken as such.

iīve worked with kids and if there isnīt a family "unit" that is there backing them up...theyīll usually end up in the street...and the gangs will become the family unit...protection, acceptance is what theyīre looking for.

do kids do things wrong? yeppers. do they do things without thinking? yeppers. do they do things for which they have no idea theyīll get life or worse for? (at the time) yeppers.

the children need parents...teachers...neighbors who will be able to help them achieve well in life. too many kids have fallen through the cracks.
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11/17/2005 04:06 PM
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I will label you as I see fit. Just as you are labelling a convicted murderer and gang originator as some sort of saint.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander, chief.

As for your "bleeding heart" response about good families and all that claptrap.. STOP moving the goalposts...

Broken families did not found the crips.. they did not murder at least four people in cold blood.. Tookie did.

As for "hating" Tookie.. you are correct. I hate those who murder innocents and corrupt children. You can lick their boots if you wish but they will not respect you for it.. and nobody else will either.

I will dance on this thread the day he is a smoking corpse and the families who were torn asunder by his evil have a chance for resolution.

and it will look like this....dance
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Fry him.
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11/17/2005 04:10 PM
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ditto...
salimandr nli (OP)
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11/17/2005 04:30 PM
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Sinanju nli,
as is stated already:
"Tookie Williams, co-founder..." he didnīt even name the gang alone....

please show where i called Tookie a saint?


and again:
"Williams deeply regrets his gang involvement but has always maintained his innocence of these crimes. In fact no physical evidence ever pointed to his involvement."

did you see that? in fact, no physical evidence ever pointed to his invovlement.

that alone would lead me to wonder why heīs been in prison for so many years...let alone why heīs on death row...let alone why anyone would so lather for his death.

reformation is real...that is part of the story you evidently missed royally.

did the goal post change again? oh yeah, call me whatever makes you happy....you seem intent on it anyway.





GLP