On my way through the "chrysanthemum" I passed beings that looked a great deal like the "reptilian" archons as described in "the hypostasis of the Archons." After breakthrough I emerged into a Geigeresque room. I had great pain in my body where the ports entered me... in my arms, legs, genitals and anus. The beings were standing over me performing some kind of procedure. They seemed glad I was conscious. The far wall "slithered" open to reveal a trashcan sunset. I coughed, painfully, several times. Each time I coughed up a small "bead" which flew forward into the sunset and was destroyed.

For weeks afterward, I had no migraines. I get 10-15 headache days per month. In the time since that experience, I have had very few headaches. I don't believe the beings who did the "procedure" were Archons... they seemed somehow.... larger. I feel like the Archons, due to the nature of the birth of their hyperstasis, cannot pass into true hyperspace.

This experience was much larger than I describe here... this was just the part relevant to this discussion.

The place where I awakened seems similar to your experience. Did you feel a certainty that the beings you saw were nefarious? Did you feel any pain? I have not seen ANYONE else talk about pain during a DMT experience; it seems unique to my experience.


you're incredible - seriously
(edit: sorry, I messed up the "quote" script so it looks wrong. I was just trying not to litter up the thread)

I am not sure what you mean. Are you being sarcastic? Are you trying to say you believe I am lying? Surely not, cuz that would make no sense.
Putting that aside, I believe that the part of hyperspace inhabited by the Archons is not so removed from our own. The place where I saw them, and they did try to stop my progression to the chrysanthemum, was well on this side of it. The "machine elves" or whatever you wanna call them, seem far more corporeal. They also seemed benevolent. The whole thing reminded me of waking up on the operating table, which happened to me once.

The beings I believe to be Archons were far below the DMT beings. They terrified me and tried to make me afraid to continue. The first time, I panicked and returned, trying to force the experience to end. The next time, however, they hardly occupied a moment of my attention. This seemed to frustrate and enrage them. Then I broke through to the "OR."