Any connetion between DMT and ARCHONS?

On my way through the "chrysanthemum" I passed beings that looked a great deal like the "reptilian" archons as described in "the hypostasis of the Archons." After breakthrough I emerged into a Geigeresque room. I had great pain in my body where the ports entered me... in my arms, legs, genitals and anus. The beings were standing over me performing some kind of procedure. They seemed glad I was conscious. The far wall "slithered" open to reveal a trashcan sunset. I coughed, painfully, several times. Each time I coughed up a small "bead" which flew forward into the sunset and was destroyed.

For weeks afterward, I had no migraines. I get 10-15 headache days per month. In the time since that experience, I have had very few headaches. I don't believe the beings who did the "procedure" were Archons... they seemed somehow.... larger. I feel like the Archons, due to the nature of the birth of their hyperstasis, cannot pass into true hyperspace.

This experience was much larger than I describe here... this was just the part relevant to this discussion.

The place where I awakened seems similar to your experience. Did you feel a certainty that the beings you saw were nefarious? Did you feel any pain? I have not seen ANYONE else talk about pain during a DMT experience; it seems unique to my experience.


you're incredible - seriously
(edit: sorry, I messed up the "quote" script so it looks wrong. I was just trying not to litter up the thread)

I am not sure what you mean. Are you being sarcastic? Are you trying to say you believe I am lying? Surely not, cuz that would make no sense.
Putting that aside, I believe that the part of hyperspace inhabited by the Archons is not so removed from our own. The place where I saw them, and they did try to stop my progression to the chrysanthemum, was well on this side of it. The "machine elves" or whatever you wanna call them, seem far more corporeal. They also seemed benevolent. The whole thing reminded me of waking up on the operating table, which happened to me once.

The beings I believe to be Archons were far below the DMT beings. They terrified me and tried to make me afraid to continue. The first time, I panicked and returned, trying to force the experience to end. The next time, however, they hardly occupied a moment of my attention. This seemed to frustrate and enrage them. Then I broke through to the "OR."


what? no. stop listening to ego. i meant i respect the you for being a cognizant traveler. able to remember and not lie like so many others by repressing matters.

i think you sound highly intelligent actually

you're incredible - seriously
(edit: sorry, I messed up the "quote" script so it looks wrong. I was just trying not to litter up the thread)

I am not sure what you mean. Are you being sarcastic? Are you trying to say you believe I am lying? Surely not, cuz that would make no sense.
Putting that aside, I believe that the part of hyperspace inhabited by the Archons is not so removed from our own. The place where I saw them, and they did try to stop my progression to the chrysanthemum, was well on this side of it. The "machine elves" or whatever you wanna call them, seem far more corporeal. They also seemed benevolent. The whole thing reminded me of waking up on the operating table, which happened to me once.

The beings I believe to be Archons were far below the DMT beings. They terrified me and tried to make me afraid to continue. The first time, I panicked and returned, trying to force the experience to end. The next time, however, they hardly occupied a moment of my attention. This seemed to frustrate and enrage them. Then I broke through to the "OR."


what? no. stop listening to ego. i meant i respect the you for being a cognizant traveler. able to remember and not lie like so many others by repressing matters.

i think you sound highly intelligent actually


Thank you for the compliment. People's "tone" is often hard to hear through text format. That's why I asked rather than flame as so many of us do.

For me, the key to remembering is to begin describing what you are experiencing as soon as you are able to speak. Later, your sitters can tell you what was said and, in my experience, a lot comes floooding back. Much is still lost, though. For instance, the contents of the "data streams" they gave me is all gone. Nada. I just remember the big stuff. Before I was able to talk was mostly lost, too.

The lying. Yeah. Lots of folks lie about what happened. I don't get it. The DMT experience is so ... bizarre, I feel it needs no embellishment.

Ps. I will do my best to keep ego at bay. :)

Why liar?

This has started for me but it's more like I see it myself when watching TV...it starts to hurt my eyes...can't seeing it fucking with peoples heads...

what do you mean by you can "see the flicker rate fucking with peoples heads" ?

you're incredible - seriously
(edit: sorry, I messed up the "quote" script so it looks wrong. I was just trying not to litter up the thread)

The beings I believe to be Archons were far below the DMT beings. They terrified me and tried to make me afraid to continue. The first time, I panicked and returned, trying to force the experience to end. The next time, however, they hardly occupied a moment of my attention. This seemed to frustrate and enrage them. Then I broke through to the "OR."


what? no. stop listening to ego. i meant i respect the you for being a cognizant traveler. able to remember and not lie like so many others by repressing matters.

i think you sound highly intelligent actually


This same experience happened to me...felt like I was going up up up on a roller-coaster (times about a thousand)...they were on all sides of me trying to scare me out of "breaking through" the first time it worked because I didn't realize I could go farther so I thought this was it. The 2nd time however I passed them and emerged among what felt like a benevolent force or "being" that was desperately trying to get me to realize I was living in a dream/hologram...and when I came back it stuck. For the first 30 minutes after I still had the sensation of being in a matrix like system and saw energy all around me. It was incredible. So yeah I believe archons are those "lower beings" before breaking through. Thanks for sharing.

(edit: sorry, I messed up the "quote" script so it looks wrong. I was just trying not to litter up the thread)

The beings I believe to be Archons were far below the DMT beings. They terrified me and tried to make me afraid to continue. The first time, I panicked and returned, trying to force the experience to end. The next time, however, they hardly occupied a moment of my attention. This seemed to frustrate and enrage them. Then I broke through to the "OR."


what? no. stop listening to ego. i meant i respect the you for being a cognizant traveler. able to remember and not lie like so many others by repressing matters.

i think you sound highly intelligent actually


This same experience happened to me...felt like I was going up up up on a roller-coaster (times about a thousand)...they were on all sides of me trying to scare me out of "breaking through" the first time it worked because I didn't realize I could go farther so I thought this was it. The 2nd time however I passed them and emerged among what felt like a benevolent force or "being" that was desperately trying to get me to realize I was living in a dream/hologram...and when I came back it stuck. For the first 30 minutes after I still had the sensation of being in a matrix like system and saw energy all around me. It was incredible. So yeah I believe archons are those "lower beings" before breaking through. Thanks for sharing.


Have you guys been to dmt-nexus.me?
That's where I learned how to extract it... back when eBay sold mimosa.
GLP is probably not the best place, but I bet dmt-nexus would have many more like-minded people.

I try to drink a few seconds of sunshine every couple days through glass sometimes without glass....energizing....be careful!

I have been to the dmt nexus. Yeah, it is great to talk about tripping and how to navigate hyperspace, but there isn't any talk of the archons, demiurge, gnostic/conspiracy aliens goodness. I saw one or two threads about it over there, but they were old and dead. I have been dying to find a discussion drawing parallells between the dmt experience and the gnostic idea of universal origins; not to mention the flavor of GLP added to the mix.

I have to say, the things one learns using dmt seem to validate much of the gnostic mythos. The teuths reveals thusly seem VITALLY important and, at the same time, incomprehensible and impossible to articulate. I have felt very driven to discuss all this but, when the time comes, I describe my experience and am at a loss as to how to actually integrate it into "real" life.

What does knowing all this change. The gnostics felt that, as soon as one realizes we are being used as food in this way, we must assume the parasites are the enemy and that they must be destroyed. I am not so sure that is true. We are in that geiger-esque "OR" for a reason and, from what I could tell, voluntarily. Is it harming us? Does providing nourishment for interdimentional parasites injure us in any way? Besides, if we got free, what then? The wall SLITHERED out of the way. What is this little body gonna do, attack the jim-jam?

What lies out there in freedom land? Will it only happen with activation of the merkabah? Does the ascention 2012 stuff have a place in this discusion? Is hyperspacial existence beyond the grasp of these most base parasites the next step in human evolution? Maybe that is why so much of the DMT jimjam look like spinning DNA?

Molecules and molecules spinning through existence.

Dude, you MUST read the book by John Lamb Lash: Not in his Image.
Its life changing. Explains it all, the psychedelic experience, the fall of gnostcism, the origin of the archons, rise of salvationism, aka christianity, judaism, islam, they myth of gaia sophia, deep ecology. It's the best book i have ever read.

Thus spoke zarathustra by nietzsche is also a gnostic masterpiece, very worth reading (although the info is encoded in the story)

I was exploring his site quite a bit when the original 8th level thread was still going strong. I didn't realize he had work in print. Thanks!

No Problem

for fantastic conversation

Interesting theories, friend. However, I find that I rest better with a 25 watt bulb in a salt lamp near my bed. I don't think I've completely clocked out yet.

You did it wrong.

Oh lord.

You must have taken Ayauasca, which from what I have read can be either VERY potent, or not at all, depending on the time the plants were harvested and their general potency.

Go extract some from some Mimosa Hostilis,
put a dime sized amount encased between some herb and take 3 huge hits holding each one in for 20-30 seconds.

It will work, and in about 40 seconds your world will be obliterated and replaced with something completely fucking amazing. You won't feel like real is real until the veil of matter is utterly annihilated then reformed by your mind after the DMT wears off and your brain pieces your present consensus reality back together like the safety mechanism it is.

I did it three times.

One in one type of religious cerimony, and another two in another type.

What wrong did I do?

NOTHING.

I just find this drug over rated.

Dear,

I was in cerimonies with over 50 people. On both times. As I stated, people were throwing up left, center and right.

I didn't. Saw a lot of lights and all. But I do not recommend this drug to anyone.

First you stay there tripping and they could come with gun machines and kill everyone and you would not have the will to even lift a finger.

EVIL DRUG.

No wonder the "illuminati" must like this shit a lot.

BRAIN WASHING DRUG.

Whats even more ridiculous than the phone ringing in that state is to hear the robotic operator voice. It just seemed so funny, and the voice almost seemed upset that i was aware of it.

Last Edited by BossBattles on 04/15/2012 12:41 PM

Just last night I took a combined oral dose of 350mg harmala alkaloids and 240mg DMT.

As with every other time I've vaporized DMT or done a pharmahuasca dose, I saw no beings or entities. I have had a plethora of auditory hallucinations on each one, however. I often get an emotional sense of being watched by one or more jesters, but never actually seeing them. And trust me, it is not by reason of always doing either too little or too much.

Walking around while on a pharmahuasca dose gives one the sense of knowing what it must have been like to be one of the gods of ancient times. Knowing that a DMT trip is what we experience during REM sleep, one must wonder at what all of that subconscious activity does to our waking thought processes. Why do we vest so much time and effort reaching enlightenment and/or a closer connection to a deity? Is it that we, in fact, live as gods each night and the curiosity we have in waking hours is merely being drawn to re-connect with our own experiences?

DMT is an integral part in the evolution of life. I believe the similarities of experiences (the most frequent being that of seeing an illusory matrix in its true form or with speaking/interacting with elf-like entities) are a result of biological similarities. In a sense, the supernatural beliefs we come to talk about are not a product of the development of the human ego and society, but a result of a biological process that we all experience (nearly) every day.

Too many of you are wrapped up into integrating as reality the delusions you are able to visually and emotionally indulge in that you are missing the whole point. You ought to be realizing the connections to your own past and others. We are all gods; we are all capable of creating our own realities. We are each so similar, though, to the point that we oft create for ourselves the very same realities. The problem is when one seeks out answers within these shared realities we create; the answers lie within the source.

smoak moar spice!!

hmmn nice to see this thread still going...

lots of good conversation happening here :)


funny to see the guy from "brazil" stating he's done it...

this is the only drug where everyones experience is THE SAME

yet you are the only one reporting a difference in experience.

you're either here to be a distraction or you did it wrong...

interestingly, sexual celibacy ie no orgasms for a prolonged time (combined with non-identification) will allow you to 'awaken' 'naturally', without some 'external-awakening-agent'

lol

just sayin!

The only time I really got hitted with Marihuana or Hashish I dont remember I clearly heard a voice inside me but outside at the same time, it impelled me to jump off a window. Later on I faced what seemed the Shadow Me in the bathroom and felt like I was going to die. That day I learned drugs are demonic gates and that unhappy people like me have a heavy burden inside, locked, and that are beings around that actually can benefit from your suicide. Maybe its just a game for them, who knows. I wont take drugs ever again probably and if I do I will make sure im thoroughly happy and calm inside before.

I can relate with this. I haven't smoked DMT or done any other drugs but there are other ways to access the spirit realm.

Everything you said in your post is true. It was an epic rant.

Last Edited by Cheshire~Cat on 11/16/2012 11:50 AM

One message I've received during DMT was that if I meditated long enough then my 3rd eye acts as if I was on DMT. Hence it said you don't have to anymore to "understand"....


And these archons are symbolic creatures that protect and help humanity. Even though some may look evil or have evil intentions, its just protection of the infinite knowledge because life needs some balance.

I seen them many times on dmt before

Hard to tell if they are all harmfull