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What really happened yesterday in Modesto?

 
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Okay, I'll admit it. I got totally in to the Modesto drama.

About 1PM MST seemed to drop off the radar.

Supposedly the man was killed inside his burning apartment.

Really???

Who spends hours waiting for a suspect to come out of a home. Thousands of tax payer dollars and then burns the place to the ground?

The last time I saw something comparable was WACO.

I can't help but wonder if the man somehow, between the time of the shooting and the arrival of LE, left the area???

Do you burn down an entire group of apartment condos just to get one man out?

What do we know about this man other then what we have been told and what reporters have been told.

The news today is practically non-existent.

WTF really happened?
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04/13/2012 11:21 AM
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Re: What really happened yesterday in Modesto?
The news has been non existent on this matter. Dead pigs usually hit nationwide news. This shit hasn't even hit drudge yet. All the articles i find are from local cali stations.
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As soon as I came back onto GLP and saw a new 29pg thread I put cnn, sky, bbc, euro and RT on nothing mentioned anywhere all night, hmmm rouge intel or SF or someone who knows the real shit, its gotta be something like that, cos as you say officers down like the coast guards in Alaska was on Brit news all night but this photogenic news was absent.
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Re: What really happened yesterday in Modesto?
IF one were to be conspiracy minded (and who in here doesn't qualify for THAT one?) it could almost be seen as a trial run designed to observe LE's response capabilities.

Or it could also have been a great opportunity to show off all of that neat new cop equipment provided by DHS grant money. I mean, who knew that there were that many SWAT teams in sleepy central California? They were pulling personnel and equipment from 4 or 5 adjacent counties. It almost looked like a giant coordinated training exercise. Just think about it - how often do that many different LE organizations get to train together? The communications coordination by itself is mind boggling.

The irony of the Stan. County Sheriff going on TV to whine about the budget cuts he faces while standing in front of all that pricy equipment did not escape my notice.....
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04/13/2012 11:24 AM
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Re: What really happened yesterday in Modesto?
Our local (big city) newspaper had an online story about a weightlifter who dropped a dumbbell on a bullet that ended up going through his shoulder on Wednesday night, but not one word about the Modesto stand-off. The kicker? The weightlifting story was also in Modesto!

Does the mainstream media think that we are ALL so stupid and uncaring??!!

BTW, when I originally put the name of the newspaper on this post, I got a red warning messag saying that I could be sued if I actually stated the name of the paper! What in the world is going on??!!

(Other than substituing the first few words of this post so as to remove the name of the paper, this post is almost entirely how I originally wrote it.)
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04/13/2012 11:26 AM
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Re: What really happened yesterday in Modesto?
Something about this incident brings to mind the Jos. Moishe affair of a year or so ago--remember him, the guy who sat in the blazing sun for hours, never flinched when dosed with tear gas and about five gallons of pepper spray?

Totally wierd event that VANISHED from the media next day.

Re the shootings at the Coast Guard base, its understandable there's not much info being released--a military matter.

But....nothing on Drudge or anywhere else about any of this.

If it was something akin to RED that went down in multiple places yesterday, it would seem the N. Korean missile launch was sufficient to displace attention away from it.
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04/13/2012 11:26 AM
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Re: What really happened yesterday in Modesto?
This may be what happens to whistleblowers. Could he have been a MRAP operator and known its full capabilities and ready to squeal? Was he an Oathkeeper? Anon? The JP Morgan whistleblower? Was he a rouge alphabet agency op?

...or did he just flip out because he couldn't pay his rent.

Once again this will end in endless speculation with the facts somewhere in the mountain.

....my instinct tells me he knew something.

.....also, the Cia employs many civilian locksmiths.

The BS will get deeper and deeper until we give up.
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04/13/2012 11:27 AM
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Also, I don't think any logic-minded person should rule this whole fiasco out as simply being a staged DRILL.

They do it all the time.
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04/13/2012 11:28 AM
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Re: What really happened yesterday in Modesto?
As luck would have it (and having absolutely nothing else to do yesterday afternoon/evening) I followed the Modesto coverage non-stop from about 1/2 hour after the incident began until midnight PDT.

I was monitoring Modesto PD, Stanislas (sp?) county sheriff and fire frequencies thanks to "radioreference" as well as the Fox40 TV coverage.

A few things were remarkable about the incident. Among them was the fact that they erected temporary fences around the scene and the unprecidented level of LE response. Even seasoned TV reporters commented that they had never seen that level of response to a single barricaded suspect. The other strange occurance (well documented by Fox40) was the deployment of an FBI heavy armored vehicle upon which the TV audience saw technicians erecting an LRAD system. My question was why attach an LRAD device for a suspect holed up in an apartment? I mean, why a crowd control device for a barricade situation?

The other anomaly was that up until I pulled the plug, with the fire raging in the complex, LE still could not confirm that there was even a suspect in the residence! It would seem that no sign of any shooter was seen after the initial attacks on the locksmith and the deputy.

Finally the unusual number of similar incidents occuring at the same time in various parts of the country had me wondering if there was a coordinated effort involved. Shooting incidents requiring lockdowns and massive police response were reported in Denver, CO, of course the NH incident as well as one in Texas and also Ohio. And then there was the mysterious double homicide at the Coast Guard Kodiak Island communications station.

Altogether it seems that yesterday was, to say the least, a remarkable day in law enforcement.
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very keen observer
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04/13/2012 11:31 AM
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Re: What really happened yesterday in Modesto?
[link to www.manta.com]

modesto police departement is a for profit corporation and there is no conspiracy?

EVERYTHING having to do with any government organisation in the US is a conspiracy, since they are all for profit corporations. what the hell is a government doing operating as a for profit corporation? they are supposed to regulate business, not join in the competition.

no constitution, state or national, authorizes governments to operate as corporate entities. since they are all operating under color of law, they are all outlaws and personally liable for any damages, including pubnitive for false arrest, kidnapping, etc.
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Finally the unusual number of similar incidents occuring at the same time in various parts of the country had me wondering if there was a coordinated effort involved. Shooting incidents requiring lockdowns and massive police response were reported in Denver, CO, of course the NH incident as well as one in Texas and also Ohio. And then there was the mysterious double homicide at the Coast Guard Kodiak Island communications station.
...
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What happened in Denver, CO? I live in Westminster, a suburb of Denver, and heard nothing! What is going on?!?

hiding
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I also found it funny that Fox40 ran with the internet rumor that the shooter was bragging about his deeds on an infamous troll site whose very name would probably trip the "autoban" on this site. They even went so far as to print out an entire thread which purported to be from the gunman.

Of course it is somewhat understandable since they were starved for information from "official" sources and trying to transition from their normal routine to what became an 8 hour live broadcast. Still you'd think that someone in their newsroom would have enough internet savvy to know which sites are notorious for their hoaxes. Oh well, thats life in the the news cycle I guess..LOL
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Yeah, something isn't right. We won't know anything really until someone digs up the truth and it leaks. Maybe we'll never know until whatever is happening hits us like a ton of bricks. Acme style.
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Re: What really happened yesterday in Modesto?
who the hell knows what to believe anymore

the whole world has gone crazy




wtf
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Re: What really happened yesterday in Modesto?
What happened in Denver, CO? I live in Westminster, a suburb of Denver, and heard nothing! What is going on?!?

hiding
 Quoting: LynLeo 1335082


There was a shooter barricaded inside his home. Can't find the link to the story, or remember the street, but it was linked to a legit Denver news site from the Modesto thread from yesterday. If I find link, I'll post it in this thread for you.

BTW, anybody got a link to the New Hampshire incident? I didn't hear of it, and can't find anything about it.
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What happened in Denver, CO? I live in Westminster, a suburb of Denver, and heard nothing! What is going on?!?
 Quoting: LynLeo 1335082


Shooting incident in the 2500 block of South Tennison Way caused 5 schools to be locked down. KDVR carried the story on their internet edition, but no live coverage.
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Re: What really happened yesterday in Modesto?
Also, I don't think any logic-minded person should rule this whole fiasco out as simply being a staged DRILL.

They do it all the time.
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And then given to a site like this to see on going public opinion.
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Re: What really happened yesterday in Modesto?
I also found it funny that Fox40 ran with the internet rumor that the shooter was bragging about his deeds on an infamous troll site whose very name would probably trip the "autoban" on this site. They even went so far as to print out an entire thread which purported to be from the gunman.

Of course it is somewhat understandable since they were starved for information from "official" sources and trying to transition from their normal routine to what became an 8 hour live broadcast. Still you'd think that someone in their newsroom would have enough internet savvy to know which sites are notorious for their hoaxes. Oh well, thats life in the the news cycle I guess..LOL
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14001965


I linked the few pages of the "supposed" poster on the thread yesterday. I was going back and forth about whether it was actually him or not all day. I still have the page up that was pulled down after the news started reporting the possibility that it was him. I have most of the thread saved because I didn't refresh (and lose it) after it was pulled. If it was him he only posted a few times. I am thinking now it wasn't a troll. If it was actually him that fact probably contributes to the news not reporting the story anymore. I don't think they want anyone getting any ideas...

Last Edited by Spazz on 04/13/2012 11:39 AM
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Re: What really happened yesterday in Modesto?
is this the same event? sounds like it, ex-military guy and same day! They may not be talking about it much cause they don't want others doing the same thing!



This guy talks about watching the event unfold on fox news on the internet. He also mentions why it happened.

The shooter was apparently tweeting and bragging about shooting the cop and a locksmith.
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Re: What really happened yesterday in Modesto?
Okay, I'll admit it. I got totally in to the Modesto drama.

About 1PM MST seemed to drop off the radar.

Supposedly the man was killed inside his burning apartment.

Really???

Who spends hours waiting for a suspect to come out of a home. Thousands of tax payer dollars and then burns the place to the ground?

The last time I saw something comparable was WACO.



The news today is practically non-existent.

WTF really happened?
 Quoting: CuriosityCat1


yes. it has always been the policy of the U.S. Government
that any citizen or group of citizens who actively engage
in sedition against the United States will be burned to the ground.
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04/13/2012 11:42 AM
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There was *allegedly* like 7 or 8 big shootings in the media yesterday and night all over the USA.... Just out of nowhere.

Does not pass the smell test.
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Re: What really happened yesterday in Modesto?
Need to follow up on the death of the sheriff's deputy and civilian - make sure there are actual funerals and family. Look out for any more information on Jimmy Russles.

Otherwise - insurance scam? Test run of quick resolution FIBUA policing gear?
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There was *allegedly* like 7 or 8 big shootings in the media yesterday and night all over the USA.... Just out of nowhere.

Does not pass the smell test.
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more and more, suicidal people are deciding to
take a lotta folks out with them.
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Here is the link back to yesterday's thread, page 40 where I began posting the screenshots I took of the thread from the other site they pulled.

Thread: Shit going down right now in Modesto (Page 40)
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Re: What really happened yesterday in Modesto?
yes. it has always been the policy of the U.S. Government
that any citizen or group of citizens who actively engage
in sedition against the United States will be burned to the ground.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14252543


Actually once the fire got going (remarkably just in time for the 10:00PM news in Sacramento) it did remind me of the infamous SLA shootout and subsequent fire in Los Angeles during the Patty Hearst fiasco.....
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yes. it has always been the policy of the U.S. Government
that any citizen or group of citizens who actively engage
in sedition against the United States will be burned to the ground.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14252543


Actually once the fire got going (remarkably just in time for the 10:00PM news in Sacramento) it did remind me of the infamous SLA shootout and subsequent fire in Los Angeles during the Patty Hearst fiasco.....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14001965


the famous one's are the SLA siege, the "Move" siege
in Philadelphia, and the Davidians in Waco. but
there have been a lot of others, too.
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Re: What really happened yesterday in Modesto?
notice how so called mods never comment on threads like these. more like it's all being observed. same as if none of the govt conspiracy shit were real, wouldn't it seem logical for a politician to address the issues in depth to a concerned public. but they evade and talk about reality tv, basketball, pizza, and ford trucks.

these psychopath -- parasitic infested so called people's behaviors answer the question for us. they are tools of an enemy that will soon reveal itself at large. and those people tools will be first to go.
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Re: What really happened yesterday in Modesto?
From what I read yesterday this place was a "condo." People who had money bought these condos and then they rented them out to people. Income producing property.

Supposedly the father, or grandfather died...the names are all alike and confusing... he was the original owner of the condo.

After he died the rest of the family, one son and two daughters refinanced. For whatever reason they were behind on the loan since last fall and then they went into foreclosure.

So I take it that it was a family residence for some time.

IF the story is true, that is.
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The news has been non existent on this matter. Dead pigs usually hit nationwide news. This shit hasn't even hit drudge yet. All the articles i find are from local cali stations.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5126083


There were all kinds of strange shootings yesterday in all kinds of different places..

Wonder if they were somehow related?
 Quoting: CuriosityCat1


Exactly. I turned on the tv this morning to find out how it all came out, and there was not a peep about it.
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There was a mention on FOX which lasted about 10 seconds and just showed LE running down the street between rows of parked cars. They said that they hadn't found his body yet......damned
"I have come to the conclusion that all news should be treated like 9/11, assume it is a psyop with actors participating in a staged event complete with props, until proven otherwise, in which case assume whatever is being recorded, reported, televised, is distortions/lying by omission/outright lies, until proven otherwise." - Anonymous, 4-13-12
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There was *allegedly* like 7 or 8 big shootings in the media yesterday and night all over the USA.... Just out of nowhere.

Does not pass the smell test.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8597527


I forgot about the Sacramento one. It was mentioned on Fox40 one time as I recall. There was also another incident in Tucson requiring one school to be locked down.

Now if you REALLY want to go down the rabbit hole, consider this:

Tucson - 2000 W. Saddle Hills
Denver - 2500 S. Tennison Way
Modesto - 2100 block of Chrysler Dr.

Numerological coincidence? Anybody get the address of the other incidents?
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As luck would have it (and having absolutely nothing else to do yesterday afternoon/evening) I followed the Modesto coverage non-stop from about 1/2 hour after the incident began until midnight PDT.

I was monitoring Modesto PD, Stanislas (sp?) county sheriff and fire frequencies thanks to "radioreference" as well as the Fox40 TV coverage.

A few things were remarkable about the incident. Among them was the fact that they erected temporary fences around the scene and the unprecidented level of LE response. Even seasoned TV reporters commented that they had never seen that level of response to a single barricaded suspect. The other strange occurance (well documented by Fox40) was the deployment of an FBI heavy armored vehicle upon which the TV audience saw technicians erecting an LRAD system. My question was why attach an LRAD device for a suspect holed up in an apartment? I mean, why a crowd control device for a barricade situation?

The other anomaly was that up until I pulled the plug, with the fire raging in the complex, LE still could not confirm that there was even a suspect in the residence! It would seem that no sign of any shooter was seen after the initial attacks on the locksmith and the deputy.

Finally the unusual number of similar incidents occuring at the same time in various parts of the country had me wondering if there was a coordinated effort involved. Shooting incidents requiring lockdowns and massive police response were reported in Denver, CO, of course the NH incident as well as one in Texas and also Ohio. And then there was the mysterious double homicide at the Coast Guard Kodiak Island communications station.

Altogether it seems that yesterday was, to say the least, a remarkable day in law enforcement.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14001965


There was also an incident in Arizona, almost identical to Modesto.

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