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I'm more of an autumn girl myself... walking that line between worlds and seeing the beauty and horror in both.
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There are actually more than two worlds. Horror is but a glimpse of part. You see, while you experience seasons your species is sensitive to, there are other creatures which wake up to the winter. Their senses do not understand horror but genetic drive to continue in a pattern sustainable to their species. Our species is so precariously co-dependent, we consider any other life changing events such as the weather as weaknesses to our condition. Horror is a word for the innocent. Vegetation life on earth is not innocent.
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Of course there's more than two worlds. I never said there wasn't. I was speaking of the line between summer and winter, that's all and in the abstract. I should have made myself more clear.
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Spiritual Hierarchies rule the day, waiting and prepping manifestation of one that they looked for and found. They founded the bases of a Godlike Production within the embodiment of Trinity, their own play of archetype manifestation and word play. They had knew someone had arrived, and it was a someone that they were expecting. This individual surpassed their wildest expectations in the speed of his growth and abilities of understanding knowledge and thinking thoughts far outside the common ideologies. Ripples were sent out, and they manifested within the entire psyche of the forum, saturating vibrant thoughts with clarity and ease. They wanted him to slow down as he went way ahead of their timeline they had planned for him. The vastness of his abilities and nature ease of dissemination was an unexpected and pleasant surprise.
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and wiTh Aide from the VrIl SecreT sOCiety taKing care and watching over us all.
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Morality is morality, it does not vary in type. An indifference to the plight of humanity means that whatever entities you encountered are prioritizing their own needs over another group of spirited/soul vessels, humans, which is immoral. We are very different from animals, although housed in an animal shell, and still subject to instincts, we can choose differently.

Moral relativism is a concerted centuries long disinformation campaign.
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Agreed, but what would you do if a colony of ants set up shop in your home. Would you smash it, spray it or nurture it? Do we not prioritize our needs above those we consider lesser every single day? Is that evil? Is that moral? I'm not defending things that think of me as an ant, by the way... I'm just positing something very real. Because of our biological makeup, we constantly destroy life to feed our own. This entire system is set up so one thing feeds on another. How are we moral and good when we do the same thing? It's all about range and scale.
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Because we are simply biological avatars the house our real being, our souls/spirits. Whatever happened on Earth 25-30000 years ago, all these creation myths, language, art, mathematics, kingship, agriculture, are the direct result of the introduction of souls to primate biological organisms.

Our origins are veiled in mystery and metaphor. But the end result is that we as a species transitioned to soul vessel status 30 Thousand years ago. And this means that we now "know better", even though some forget this. This is speculative on my part, obviously, but I believe this is the correct medium for speculative alternative histories.

Animals are lower than us, we have dominion over them. This is not a license to be cruel or destructive, as many of our fellow humans take out their frustration on animals that don't know any better. Although they are, as everything else, connected to the spiritual, they just aren't on our level.

Yes we have to kill in order to eat. I don't think slaughterhouses are particularly moral or the terrible conditions our livestock are kept in. But we can cull animals humanely in order that they serve their purpose, which is to provide us sustenance.

I understand that I am leaving myself vulnerable, to the why can't higher beings use us the same way? But I think that once we came "online" as a species, we entered into a new existence with more complex rules, and that higher beings, by definition, would not regress to destroying us.

I am at work, wasting time, so I am not sure If I made myself clear enough.
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Now, look at this objectively... I'm playing devil's advocate here, so don't mistake this as me feeling what I'm saying is right, ok? What if something higher than us on the food chain needed us to sustain? What if they saw US as cattle and as having dominion over us? Would it be evil of them to use us in this way? Would it be moral? Think carefully... and consider the small things we stomp on by the simple act of walking across the lawn. Think of the life we displace and destroy in building our shelters. I'm not even addressing the horrid conditions we keep our livestock... just the small things most don't even consider that we destroy by the very act of living and breathing. It's all a scale.
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On the grander scale. It would not be evil. Not saying I would like it. But.....we are probably not the top of the food chain. Hope we never find out.
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OH! Now I know where I saw '26'. Very combative tone, but she was the one that called out Blue Skies thinking that she was some government agent or something...just because of the number of posts BS has.

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Oh you mean the one that as a problem with math :)

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OH! Now I know where I saw '26'. Very combative tone, but she was the one that called out Blue Skies thinking that she was some government agent or something...just because of the number of posts BS has.

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LMAO! It was in a thread called, We are being played against each other...

Very apt thread.

Sorry, off topic.
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I didn't accuse her of being a government agent, I think the government monitors more than interacts. I did accuse her of being a shill of some sorts, and yes it was by the number of her posts, not necessarily anything she wrote. So I feel bad about calling her out and using her as an example, when there are other members who could have and should have been used. That idiot who keeps posting the picture of Jesus on Skateboard comes to mind. No clue what his deal is, but it ain't good.

So Blue Skies if you read this, my bad and I apologize for being a dick. I get banned from here all the damn time, so I post in bursts and then get the boot for a while. And this place has Cocaine like qualities, so me getting banished is like a detox period anyway.

However, I still believe that there are groups using GLP and the other site with an Onyx Black background and Green Letters who are scheming and evil, and they use the conspiracy forums for hidden agendas.

There could also be people here on GLP on the "Good" side, and in my frustration and anger induced tunnel vision due to the bad apples, I assume everyone is with "them", and wrongfully accuse the Good souls of being serpentine. I guess we shall see.
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Our culture (western) is taught that humans are above all animals and such mainly because of Genesis. The Native American culture has it right. They know that spirit lives/moves within all things and treat everything as sacred, or at least their culture teaches this.
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Having caught a glimpse of those things our ancestors would have called evil... they seem to me something unknowable, so strange and alien in their very nature they're incomprehensible to humans. They don't feel "evil" to me as much as "indifferent to the plight of humanity" as in they have a different type of morality... much as our actions toward those things like insects and "lower life".
 Quoting: Bea Nameless


Morality is morality, it does not vary in type. An indifference to the plight of humanity means that whatever entities you encountered are prioritizing their own needs over another group of spirited/soul vessels, humans, which is immoral. We are very different from animals, although housed in an animal shell, and still subject to instincts, we can choose differently.

Moral relativism is a concerted centuries long disinformation campaign.
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Agreed, but what would you do if a colony of ants set up shop in your home. Would you smash it, spray it or nurture it? Do we not prioritize our needs above those we consider lesser every single day? Is that evil? Is that moral? I'm not defending things that think of me as an ant, by the way... I'm just positing something very real. Because of our biological makeup, we constantly destroy life to feed our own. This entire system is set up so one thing feeds on another. How are we moral and good when we do the same thing? It's all about range and scale.
 Quoting: Bea Nameless


I think what you're getting at is that the universe is predatory in nature. Killing something to survive isn't 'immoral' in my view. Even packs of predators pick off the weak when they hunt. Is this done because of efficiency or is there some sort of instinctual understanding that the food source they prefer needs to be protected in some way?

It is in interesting question to be sure. But I don't think it relates to what 'evil' is made up of. 'Evil' is recognizable, IMO, precisely because it IS corrosive spiritually and physically. It is self destructive for oneself and any sustainable system. It is irrational and self defeating in the long run...yet the user gets immediate self gratification in the short term.
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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Deferring to the characteristics of other worldly beings is not going to solve our problems as humans.

We are in control of our own destiny, and we need to take responsibility for it. We have Free Will, therefore we can choose not to behave like immoral beasts.

We can control our own behavior, if we act without empathy, selfishly, or deviously, bad shit is going to happen. If we choose to behave how we ought to, then we will play our part in bringing the Kingdom to Earth.

Stop worrying about Aliens and Demons, they only have power over us if we give it to them.
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What is the difference between acting 'without empathy' and acting with a sense of detachment?

I would argue that detachment is critical when exercising free will. Control and abandonment. Acts have power when the actor knows that the act he/she is performing may well be their last act on earth. It's more pleasant that way. It dulls the edge of the actor's fright.

And there is a difference between a sociopath acting without empathy towards his fellow man and a man/woman of knowledge deliberately moving their point of perception to the 'place of no pity'. A sociopath is driven purely by indulgence...an indulgence so strong that it overrides everything else. A sociopath doesn't possess the intent or free will to change their point of perception.

Meanwhile, a man/woman of knowledge can maneuver their perception at will depending on the circumstance. In other words, a MOK's place of no pity...is a place without pity of self. A sociopaths lack of empathy isn't. A sociopath still takes pity on themselves...indeed, every action they take caters to the concerns and cravings they feel about themselves.

I don't think there is such a thing as an 'immoral' beast...because there is no such thing as a moral one. The world of morality is not accessible to a beast.

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The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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Having caught a glimpse of those things our ancestors would have called evil... they seem to me something unknowable, so strange and alien in their very nature they're incomprehensible to humans. They don't feel "evil" to me as much as "indifferent to the plight of humanity" as in they have a different type of morality... much as our actions toward those things like insects and "lower life".
 Quoting: Bea Nameless


Morality is morality, it does not vary in type. An indifference to the plight of humanity means that whatever entities you encountered are prioritizing their own needs over another group of spirited/soul vessels, humans, which is immoral. We are very different from animals, although housed in an animal shell, and still subject to instincts, we can choose differently.

Moral relativism is a concerted centuries long disinformation campaign.
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Agreed, but what would you do if a colony of ants set up shop in your home. Would you smash it, spray it or nurture it? Do we not prioritize our needs above those we consider lesser every single day? Is that evil? Is that moral? I'm not defending things that think of me as an ant, by the way... I'm just positing something very real. Because of our biological makeup, we constantly destroy life to feed our own. This entire system is set up so one thing feeds on another. How are we moral and good when we do the same thing? It's all about range and scale.
 Quoting: Bea Nameless


Because we are simply biological avatars the house our real being, our souls/spirits. Whatever happened on Earth 25-30000 years ago, all these creation myths, language, art, mathematics, kingship, agriculture, are the direct result of the introduction of souls to primate biological organisms.

Our origins are veiled in mystery and metaphor. But the end result is that we as a species transitioned to soul vessel status 30 Thousand years ago. And this means that we now "know better", even though some forget this. This is speculative on my part, obviously, but I believe this is the correct medium for speculative alternative histories.

Animals are lower than us, we have dominion over them. This is not a license to be cruel or destructive, as many of our fellow humans take out their frustration on animals that don't know any better. Although they are, as everything else, connected to the spiritual, they just aren't on our level.

Yes we have to kill in order to eat. I don't think slaughterhouses are particularly moral or the terrible conditions our livestock are kept in. But we can cull animals humanely in order that they serve their purpose, which is to provide us sustenance.

I understand that I am leaving myself vulnerable, to the why can't higher beings use us the same way? But I think that once we came "online" as a species, we entered into a new existence with more complex rules, and that higher beings, by definition, would not regress to destroying us.

I am at work, wasting time, so I am not sure If I made myself clear enough.
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I don't agree with this at all. Animals are not lower than us. We are animals. Plants are not lower than us...it is merely our reason that makes us pretend that we are somehow superior to them...that we have dominion over them.

Power plants (drugs) have the ability to propel us by way of spiritual force to points of perception ordinarily inaccessible to us. The spirits of these seemingly docile and vulnerable lifeforms have the power to cater to our indulgences...injure our spirits...and enable us to destroy ourselves.

Don Juan had Castaneda talk to plants for a reason. One might think that it had something to do with curbing Carlito's sense of self-importance...but that isn't the whole story.

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The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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The shift in my thinking occurred several years ago. Ants had built a huge hill in the backyard. It was magnificent in scale and scope. Then Tim came in with spray and a shovel and destroyed the burgeoning civilization for the same reason anyone who cares for their lawn will. Then he razed their city with the shovel and I was behind him quoting Oppenhiemer... I have become death, destroyer of worlds... then my own, Behold, the Antpocolypse!

Then, it just felt wrong, lol. And the thought remained.... while his actions would not seem evil or immoral to most humans, to the ants, he was Satan, the great Adversary. I realize I'm planting anthromorphic pictures, the only thing they probably thought was aghhhh, but still, putting myself in their shoes was an uncomfortable sensation.

That being said, recently, he freed a baby Blue Racer lizard from a spider's web and made a friend for life. He carried him out to the landscaping and set him free. The lizard will come and sit beside him while he's working outside. He sees him as a benevolent overlord. I routinely pick up the small shelled snails that wander onto the sidewalk so no one will crush them and I'm inconsolable when I do by accident.

I see this as a lesson in awareness. We think of ourselves as moral and good when we help our fellow man and never think of the havoc we wreak upon those we have "dominion" over if they're small enough to crush underfoot. For the most part. See where I'm going with this now?
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It almost sounds as if you think interfering in the affairs of ants and lizards somehow says something about whoever meddles in their affairs...but what about the personal power of the ants and lizards? Death stalks us all, and it would be pretty ridiculous IMO to pretend that just because we have the power to intervene and delay or hasten death's inevitability...that doesn't mean we are better or worse for it.

In the case of the ants, Tim just turned the headlights of death on...in the case of the lizard, he turned them off. But death stalks the ants, the lizard, Tim, and everyone else....so step out of your perception of time and you might see that the very idea of a mortal being playing God is endless folly.

You might think he did the lizard a service, but what about the spider? If the lizard has become his friend, then has the spider become his enemy?

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The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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I'm more of an autumn girl myself... walking that line between worlds and seeing the beauty and horror in both.
 Quoting: Bea Nameless


There are actually more than two worlds. Horror is but a glimpse of part. You see, while you experience seasons your species is sensitive to, there are other creatures which wake up to the winter. Their senses do not understand horror but genetic drive to continue in a pattern sustainable to their species. Our species is so precariously co-dependent, we consider any other life changing events such as the weather as weaknesses to our condition. Horror is a word for the innocent. Vegetation life on earth is not innocent.
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I would like to hear more about winter, pool...if it pleases you to type about it.
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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Morality is morality, it does not vary in type. An indifference to the plight of humanity means that whatever entities you encountered are prioritizing their own needs over another group of spirited/soul vessels, humans, which is immoral. We are very different from animals, although housed in an animal shell, and still subject to instincts, we can choose differently.

Moral relativism is a concerted centuries long disinformation campaign.
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Agreed, but what would you do if a colony of ants set up shop in your home. Would you smash it, spray it or nurture it? Do we not prioritize our needs above those we consider lesser every single day? Is that evil? Is that moral? I'm not defending things that think of me as an ant, by the way... I'm just positing something very real. Because of our biological makeup, we constantly destroy life to feed our own. This entire system is set up so one thing feeds on another. How are we moral and good when we do the same thing? It's all about range and scale.
 Quoting: Bea Nameless


Because we are simply biological avatars the house our real being, our souls/spirits. Whatever happened on Earth 25-30000 years ago, all these creation myths, language, art, mathematics, kingship, agriculture, are the direct result of the introduction of souls to primate biological organisms.

Our origins are veiled in mystery and metaphor. But the end result is that we as a species transitioned to soul vessel status 30 Thousand years ago. And this means that we now "know better", even though some forget this. This is speculative on my part, obviously, but I believe this is the correct medium for speculative alternative histories.

Animals are lower than us, we have dominion over them. This is not a license to be cruel or destructive, as many of our fellow humans take out their frustration on animals that don't know any better. Although they are, as everything else, connected to the spiritual, they just aren't on our level.

Yes we have to kill in order to eat. I don't think slaughterhouses are particularly moral or the terrible conditions our livestock are kept in. But we can cull animals humanely in order that they serve their purpose, which is to provide us sustenance.

I understand that I am leaving myself vulnerable, to the why can't higher beings use us the same way? But I think that once we came "online" as a species, we entered into a new existence with more complex rules, and that higher beings, by definition, would not regress to destroying us.

I am at work, wasting time, so I am not sure If I made myself clear enough.
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Now, look at this objectively... I'm playing devil's advocate here, so don't mistake this as me feeling what I'm saying is right, ok? What if something higher than us on the food chain needed us to sustain? What if they saw US as cattle and as having dominion over us? Would it be evil of them to use us in this way? Would it be moral? Think carefully... and consider the small things we stomp on by the simple act of walking across the lawn. Think of the life we displace and destroy in building our shelters. I'm not even addressing the horrid conditions we keep our livestock... just the small things most don't even consider that we destroy by the very act of living and breathing. It's all a scale.
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What if a group lice decided to start a colony in your hair? How does one respond morally in this situation?
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Morality is morality, it does not vary in type. An indifference to the plight of humanity means that whatever entities you encountered are prioritizing their own needs over another group of spirited/soul vessels, humans, which is immoral. We are very different from animals, although housed in an animal shell, and still subject to instincts, we can choose differently.

Moral relativism is a concerted centuries long disinformation campaign.
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Agreed, but what would you do if a colony of ants set up shop in your home. Would you smash it, spray it or nurture it? Do we not prioritize our needs above those we consider lesser every single day? Is that evil? Is that moral? I'm not defending things that think of me as an ant, by the way... I'm just positing something very real. Because of our biological makeup, we constantly destroy life to feed our own. This entire system is set up so one thing feeds on another. How are we moral and good when we do the same thing? It's all about range and scale.
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Because we are simply biological avatars the house our real being, our souls/spirits. Whatever happened on Earth 25-30000 years ago, all these creation myths, language, art, mathematics, kingship, agriculture, are the direct result of the introduction of souls to primate biological organisms.

Our origins are veiled in mystery and metaphor. But the end result is that we as a species transitioned to soul vessel status 30 Thousand years ago. And this means that we now "know better", even though some forget this. This is speculative on my part, obviously, but I believe this is the correct medium for speculative alternative histories.

Animals are lower than us, we have dominion over them. This is not a license to be cruel or destructive, as many of our fellow humans take out their frustration on animals that don't know any better. Although they are, as everything else, connected to the spiritual, they just aren't on our level.

Yes we have to kill in order to eat. I don't think slaughterhouses are particularly moral or the terrible conditions our livestock are kept in. But we can cull animals humanely in order that they serve their purpose, which is to provide us sustenance.

I understand that I am leaving myself vulnerable, to the why can't higher beings use us the same way? But I think that once we came "online" as a species, we entered into a new existence with more complex rules, and that higher beings, by definition, would not regress to destroying us.

I am at work, wasting time, so I am not sure If I made myself clear enough.
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I don't agree with this at all. Animals are not lower than us. We are animals. Plants are not lower than us...it is merely our reason that makes us pretend that we are somehow superior to them...that we have dominion over them.

Power plants (drugs) have the ability to propel us by way of spiritual force to points of perception ordinarily inaccessible to us. The spirits of these seemingly docile and vulnerable lifeforms have the power to cater to our indulgences...injure our spirits...and enable us to destroy ourselves.

Don Juan had Castaneda talk to plants for a reason. One might think that it had something to do with curbing Carlito's sense of self-importance...but that isn't the whole story.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


I commune with plants on a daily basis, and just because consuming them has the potential to injure us, doesn't mean we should fear them. They also have remarkable healing properties. Drinking too much water can kill you too.

Yes we are all connected and animals, never denied our animal side. Should we allow rats to overtake our cities because we are all equal as animals? Dominion simply means that because we know better than they do, then we are responsible for them. There is always a hierarchy.
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I think what you're getting at is that the universe is predatory in nature. Killing something to survive isn't 'immoral' in my view. Even packs of predators pick off the weak when they hunt. Is this done because of efficiency or is there some sort of instinctual understanding that the food source they prefer needs to be protected in some way?

It is in interesting question to be sure. But I don't think it relates to what 'evil' is made up of. 'Evil' is recognizable, IMO, precisely because it IS corrosive spiritually and physically. It is self destructive for oneself and any sustainable system. It is irrational and self defeating in the long run...yet the user gets immediate self gratification in the short term.
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is our universe predatory in nature?

your description of evil tells you know what you are and what you are within
thus you know what does not fit (evil) into what you know is good, which is, yourself and the system you are within

can you tell us what are and describe system you are within

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Agreed, but what would you do if a colony of ants set up shop in your home. Would you smash it, spray it or nurture it? Do we not prioritize our needs above those we consider lesser every single day? Is that evil? Is that moral? I'm not defending things that think of me as an ant, by the way... I'm just positing something very real. Because of our biological makeup, we constantly destroy life to feed our own. This entire system is set up so one thing feeds on another. How are we moral and good when we do the same thing? It's all about range and scale.
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Because we are simply biological avatars the house our real being, our souls/spirits. Whatever happened on Earth 25-30000 years ago, all these creation myths, language, art, mathematics, kingship, agriculture, are the direct result of the introduction of souls to primate biological organisms.

Our origins are veiled in mystery and metaphor. But the end result is that we as a species transitioned to soul vessel status 30 Thousand years ago. And this means that we now "know better", even though some forget this. This is speculative on my part, obviously, but I believe this is the correct medium for speculative alternative histories.

Animals are lower than us, we have dominion over them. This is not a license to be cruel or destructive, as many of our fellow humans take out their frustration on animals that don't know any better. Although they are, as everything else, connected to the spiritual, they just aren't on our level.

Yes we have to kill in order to eat. I don't think slaughterhouses are particularly moral or the terrible conditions our livestock are kept in. But we can cull animals humanely in order that they serve their purpose, which is to provide us sustenance.

I understand that I am leaving myself vulnerable, to the why can't higher beings use us the same way? But I think that once we came "online" as a species, we entered into a new existence with more complex rules, and that higher beings, by definition, would not regress to destroying us.

I am at work, wasting time, so I am not sure If I made myself clear enough.
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I don't agree with this at all. Animals are not lower than us. We are animals. Plants are not lower than us...it is merely our reason that makes us pretend that we are somehow superior to them...that we have dominion over them.

Power plants (drugs) have the ability to propel us by way of spiritual force to points of perception ordinarily inaccessible to us. The spirits of these seemingly docile and vulnerable lifeforms have the power to cater to our indulgences...injure our spirits...and enable us to destroy ourselves.

Don Juan had Castaneda talk to plants for a reason. One might think that it had something to do with curbing Carlito's sense of self-importance...but that isn't the whole story.
 Quoting: Jonny Blaze


I commune with plants on a daily basis, and just because consuming them has the potential to injure us, doesn't mean we should fear them. They also have remarkable healing properties. Drinking too much water can kill you too.

Yes we are all connected and animals, never denied our animal side. Should we allow rats to overtake our cities because we are all equal as animals? Dominion simply means that because we know better than they do, then we are responsible for them. There is always a hierarchy.
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I wasn't implying that we should fear anything. And I don't see how dominion has anything to do with equality. I don't consider myself equal to animals or plants. Yet I don't consider myself more important or superior to plants and animals either.

We are not responsible for animals. We don't know any better than animals do. We are animals. Can you say that you have a greater understanding of the universe than a house cat does? Or any other animal for that matter?

Because we perceive and categorize the universe differently...does that somehow make us superior to them? If we as a species were to use our 'scientific' understanding of the so called 'laws' of physics, biology, etc to eradicate animals that we don't like for whatever reason...would that make us superior to the animals we eradicated?

I guess what I am getting at is this: What exactly do we know better than animals? All we know is what we observe. Animals also observe. Perhaps it is our ability to communicate complex ideas to others that makes us 'superior' in your mind. Perhaps it is all the 'knowledge' we have accumulated about our universe. Perhaps it is our ability to manipulate reason that gives us the edge?

I say hogwash. Our reason is deeply flawed. Our reason allows every one of us to walk around spouting ideas that constantly contradict themselves. Most of us are walking contradictions that will change their point of view at the drop of the most subtle social cue.

I fail to see how any of this makes us 'know better' than a simple predator. Many of these animals that we supposedly 'know better than' have been on this planet long before our species arrived and many will be around long after we are gone.
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The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
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I think what you're getting at is that the universe is predatory in nature. Killing something to survive isn't 'immoral' in my view. Even packs of predators pick off the weak when they hunt. Is this done because of efficiency or is there some sort of instinctual understanding that the food source they prefer needs to be protected in some way?

It is in interesting question to be sure. But I don't think it relates to what 'evil' is made up of. 'Evil' is recognizable, IMO, precisely because it IS corrosive spiritually and physically. It is self destructive for oneself and any sustainable system. It is irrational and self defeating in the long run...yet the user gets immediate self gratification in the short term.
 Quoting: jinny


is our universe predatory in nature?

your description of evil tells you know what you are and what you are within
thus you know what does not fit (evil) into what you know is good, which is, yourself and the system you are within

can you tell us what you and and describe system you are within
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HOLY SHIT. STOP! god damn it, what's the point to fight over how nature reacts! spirituality is not about trying to change nature, it's about LETTING GO!

Yes animals kills each another, if you get in the way you will be eaten.

Nature don't care if you stomp on her flowers, kill her animals, creatures. Nature is WAY beyond what you call compassion and love!

Love as much call it and describe it is BS.

What does love do? i mean really. Love is not about compassion or being careful or even pacifism! Love starts with self respect!.

it's only about letting things be! not trying to control everything, especially nature.

If your trying to not harm nature, your only imposing limits on yourself, Hippies from the peace and love era was a cia psyops. WAKE UP!

here is a thing about FEAR!

Fearful beings express the need of comfort. That comfort comes from POWER! (Power is an illusion of comfort).

Throught that power they channel their fears to it which make them become control freaks! They feel the urge to control everything, including nature and other people behaviors at a psychopathic level. just because they are affraid of something!
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The Desire to Be fuel the belief that you Are which ignite the Will to Become which bring back forth the desire to be...
Let it be-come you! It means Stop seeking your higher self! It is seeking you! Stand still in your mind to calm the waters of your mind and then it shall find you, so you can ride those waves together!
your true self lies somewhere between your heart and your consciousness. It is called the heart consciousness,which is the creator, which is you!
The heart create the emotions and our mind evoke its purpose, from which we dream the life we live in order to imagine the nature of reality and finally remember love!

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I think what you're getting at is that the universe is predatory in nature. Killing something to survive isn't 'immoral' in my view. Even packs of predators pick off the weak when they hunt. Is this done because of efficiency or is there some sort of instinctual understanding that the food source they prefer needs to be protected in some way?

It is in interesting question to be sure. But I don't think it relates to what 'evil' is made up of. 'Evil' is recognizable, IMO, precisely because it IS corrosive spiritually and physically. It is self destructive for oneself and any sustainable system. It is irrational and self defeating in the long run...yet the user gets immediate self gratification in the short term.
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is our universe predatory in nature?

your description of evil tells you know what you are and what you are within
thus you know what does not fit (evil) into what you know is good, which is, yourself and the system you are within

can you tell us what are and describe system you are within
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Yes, it is. Death stalks us all. And if one supposes that inorganic beings exist, the prevalent theories are that they are concerned with us as organic beings because of the ridiculous amount of energy that we waste.

What am I? I am a bubble of energy that perceives the energy of the universe in terms of hardness. Mass, volume, etc. are all descriptions that my 5 senses use to make this life more navigable. My internal dialogue is not a natural phenomenon...it was forced upon me by my fellow man. I wasn't born talking to myself and neither were you. My talking to myself incessantly about the description I perceive is also an exercise of convenience and control. Our internal dialogues anchor our perception to a common point among us...so that we can communicate to each other our description of the world.

But I am not so foolish as to think that the description my senses gives me is true nature of the universe. The description is just a description. And the illusion of our description often tricks us into unnecessary conformity.

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The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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notion of death seems the motivator of emotional living

is the sensation

Gospel of Thomas- ????

"29 Jesus said, "If the flesh came into being because of spirit, that is a marvel, but if spirit came into being because of the body, that is a marvel of marvels.

Yet I marvel at how this great wealth has come to dwell in this poverty.""

???????
F.W. Boreham -----`We make our decisions. And then our decisions turn around and make us.'"
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combine the two remembering the smallest number that exists is 2
always something within something

the synergistic by nature non material dimension (me) and the synergistic by nature non material dimensions that are not me formed material me = synergy

is how it feels to me

flesh into spirit, spirit into flesh is conscious rebirth process sequence

reincarnation is the unconscious process

i imagine there was more told on this topic because the question "how this great......." makes no sense being asked by someone whom by reputation, should know
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notion of death seems the motivator of emotional living

is the sensation

Gospel of Thomas- ????

"29 Jesus said, "If the flesh came into being because of spirit, that is a marvel, but if spirit came into being because of the body, that is a marvel of marvels.

Yet I marvel at how this great wealth has come to dwell in this poverty.""

???????
F.W. Boreham -----`We make our decisions. And then our decisions turn around and make us.'"
 Quoting: peanut


combine the two remembering the smallest number that exists is 2
always something within something

the synergistic by nature non material dimension (me) and the synergistic by nature non material dimensions that are not me formed material me = synergy

is how it feels to me

flesh into spirit, spirit into flesh is conscious rebirth process sequence

reincarnation is the unconscious process

i imagine there was more told on this topic because the question "how this great......." makes no sense being asked by someone whom by reputation, should know
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 Quoting: aether


On the contrary...

“A warrior considers himself already dead, so there is nothing for him to lose. The worst has already happened to him, therefore he’s clear and calm; judging him by his acts or by his words, one would never suspect that he has witnessed everything.”
The engravings translate to "This space intentionally left blank."

The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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is our universe predatory in nature?
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Yes, it is. Death stalks us all. And if one supposes that inorganic beings exist, the prevalent theories are that they are concerned with us as organic beings because of the ridiculous amount of energy that we waste.
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your notion of life there is fixed

but

here your notion open to information that alters notion

What am I? I am a bubble of energy that perceives the energy of the universe in terms of hardness. Mass, volume, etc. are all descriptions that my 5 senses use to make this life more navigable. My internal dialogue is not a natural phenomenon...it was forced upon me by my fellow man. I wasn't born talking to myself and neither were you. My talking to myself incessantly about the description I perceive is also an exercise of convenience and control. Our internal dialogues anchor our perception to a common point among us...so that we can communicate to each other our description of the world.

But I am not so foolish as to think that the description my senses gives me is true nature of the universe. The description is just a description. And the illusion of our description often tricks us into unnecessary conformity.
 Quoting: jonny


and here you are steeled for the worst because the worst you have already experienced

On the contrary...

“A warrior considers himself already dead, so there is nothing for him to lose. The worst has already happened to him, therefore he’s clear and calm; judging him by his acts or by his words, one would never suspect that he has witnessed everything.”
 Quoting: jonny


seems when you die you don`t experience what you anticipate,
you experience more of the same that you have already experienced
which is my point
perhaps you have yet to die correctly. as in:
die in a manner that provides what you anticipated hence were motivated to die in the manner you did

a manner of death you have yet to experience
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is our universe predatory in nature?
 Quoting: aether


Yes, it is. Death stalks us all. And if one supposes that inorganic beings exist, the prevalent theories are that they are concerned with us as organic beings because of the ridiculous amount of energy that we waste.
 Quoting: jonny


your notion of life there is fixed

but

here your notion open to information that alters notion

What am I? I am a bubble of energy that perceives the energy of the universe in terms of hardness. Mass, volume, etc. are all descriptions that my 5 senses use to make this life more navigable. My internal dialogue is not a natural phenomenon...it was forced upon me by my fellow man. I wasn't born talking to myself and neither were you. My talking to myself incessantly about the description I perceive is also an exercise of convenience and control. Our internal dialogues anchor our perception to a common point among us...so that we can communicate to each other our description of the world.

But I am not so foolish as to think that the description my senses gives me is true nature of the universe. The description is just a description. And the illusion of our description often tricks us into unnecessary conformity.
 Quoting: jonny


and here you are steeled for the worst because the worst you have already experienced

On the contrary...

“A warrior considers himself already dead, so there is nothing for him to lose. The worst has already happened to him, therefore he’s clear and calm; judging him by his acts or by his words, one would never suspect that he has witnessed everything.”
 Quoting: jonny


seems when you die you don`t experience what you anticipate,
you experience more of the same that you have already experienced
which is my point
perhaps you have yet to die correctly. as in:
die in a manner that provides what you anticipated hence were motivated to die in the manner you did

a manner of death you have yet to experience
 Quoting: aether


Hmmm. Expectations and anticipations.

“When a warrior makes the decision to take action, he should be prepared to die. If he is prepared to die, there shouldn’t be any pitfalls, any unwelcome surprises, any unnecessary acts. Everything should gently fall into place because he is expecting nothing.”

“A warrior, as a teacher, must first of all teach about the possibility of acting without believing, without expecting rewards – acting just for the hell of it. His success as a teacher depends on how well and how harmoniously he guides his wards in this specific respect.”

Acting without believing or anticipating the outcome is key to spiritual growth.

“A warrior must know first that his acts are useless, and yet, he must proceed as if he didn’t know it. That’s a shaman’s controlled folly.”

“Nothing being more important than anything else, a warrior chooses any act, and acts it out as if it mattered to him. His controlled folly makes him say that what he does matters and makes him act as if it did, and yet he knows that it doesn’t; so when he fulfills his acts, he retreats in peace, and whether his acts were good or bad, or worked or didn’t, is in no way part of his concern.”

“The spirit of a warrior is not geared to indulging and complaining, nor is it geared to winning or losing. The spirit of a warrior is geared only to struggle, and every struggle is a warrior’s last battle on earth. Thus the outcome matters very little to him. In his last battle on earth a warrior lets his spirit flow free and clear. And as he wages his battle, knowing that his intent is impeccable, a warrior laughs and laughs.”

“The trump card of the warrior is that he believes without believing. But obviously a warrior can’t just say he believes and let it go at that. That would be too easy. To just believe without any exertion would exonerate him from examining his situation. A warrior, whenever he has to involve himself with believing, does it as a choice. A warrior doesn’t believe, a warrior has to believe.”

“Death is the indispensable ingredient in having to believe. Without the awareness of death, everything is ordinary, trivial. It is only because death is stalking him that a warrior has to believe that the world is an unfathomable mystery. Having to believe in such a fashion is the warrior’s expression of his innermost predilection.”

Hope this clears up some of where I am coming from.
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The prayer is inscribed in an ancient script, rarely used today. It seems to be a philippic against small insects, absent-mindedness, and the picking up and dropping of small objects.

The gate is open; through it you can see a desolation, with a pile of mangled bodies in one corner. Thousands of voices, lamenting some hideous fate, can be heard.
The way through the gate is barred by evil spirits, who jeer at your attempts to pass.
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i know
that is a walk through of a notion of being
it avoids a walk through of death because the warrior notion can never explain death because by default warrior = not knowing environment
it is a code to make the unknown bearable formed by human imaginations to cope with our past 5000 years + lifestyle experience following the end of this lifestyle:

According to the Cheyenne of North America the original race roamed naked, innocent and free, enjoying the natural abundance of an eternal spring. What followed, however, was an age of flood, war, and famine.

The Caribs of Surinam have a poignant memory of this fortunate epoch. "In a time long past, so long past that even the grandmothers of our grandmothers were not yet born," they say, "the world was quite other than what it is today: the trees were forever in fruit; the animals lived in perfect harmony, and the little agouti played fearlessly with the beard of the jaguar "

The South American Indians of Gran Chaco and Amazonia recall this as the Happy Place, where work was unknown because the fields produced abundance of their own accord.

The Hopi Indians proclaim that in the earliest time they were a marvelously contented race, at peace with their brothers. They knew nothing of sickness or conflict, and all things were provided by Mother Earth without any requirement of labor.

But these are just the American Indian versions of the story.

The aborigines of Australia insist that their first ancestors enjoyed a Golden Age, a Paradise of abundant game and without conflict of any kind.

Northern Europeans once celebrated this earliest age as the "Peace of Frodi," a mythical Danish king. Throughout this peaceful epoch no man injured another and a magical mill ground out peace and plenty for the entire land.

Memories of a Golden Age pervade the myths of Africa. The distinguished folklorist Herman Baumann reported that "Everything that happened in the primal age was different from today. People understood the language of animals and lived at peace with them; they knew no labor and had food in plenitude."

Sacred texts of ancient India recall this as the Krita Yuga or "Perfect Age," without disease, labor, suffering or war. The Iranians called it the age of the brilliant Yima, an age with "neither cold nor heat," an eternal spring. According to ancient Chinese lore, the purest pleasure and tranquillity once reigned throughout the world. Mythical histories called it "the Age of Perfect Virtue" and declared that "the whole creation enjoyed a state of happiness. . . all things grew without labor; and a universal fertility prevailed."
 Quoting: history


that being said it is one of the most popular beliefs and likely, it`s believers within this era of our altering again environment , will have difficulty experiencing
luckily women know what is occurring and the good news for warriors is women like them
so
feels like women have a lot of sympathetic guiding to achieve in our coming years

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The shift in my thinking occurred several years ago. Ants had built a huge hill in the backyard. It was magnificent in scale and scope. Then Tim came in with spray and a shovel and destroyed the burgeoning civilization for the same reason anyone who cares for their lawn will. Then he razed their city with the shovel and I was behind him quoting Oppenhiemer... I have become death, destroyer of worlds... then my own, Behold, the Antpocolypse!

Then, it just felt wrong, lol. And the thought remained.... while his actions would not seem evil or immoral to most humans, to the ants, he was Satan, the great Adversary. I realize I'm planting anthromorphic pictures, the only thing they probably thought was aghhhh, but still, putting myself in their shoes was an uncomfortable sensation.

That being said, recently, he freed a baby Blue Racer lizard from a spider's web and made a friend for life. He carried him out to the landscaping and set him free. The lizard will come and sit beside him while he's working outside. He sees him as a benevolent overlord. I routinely pick up the small shelled snails that wander onto the sidewalk so no one will crush them and I'm inconsolable when I do by accident.

I see this as a lesson in awareness. We think of ourselves as moral and good when we help our fellow man and never think of the havoc we wreak upon those we have "dominion" over if they're small enough to crush underfoot. For the most part. See where I'm going with this now?
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I do the same thing with snails, I hate it when it is dark and raining then next thing you hear is 'crunch' it makes me cringe, I walk forward with the words 'forgive me' on my lips.
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The shift in my thinking occurred several years ago. Ants had built a huge hill in the backyard. It was magnificent in scale and scope. Then Tim came in with spray and a shovel and destroyed the burgeoning civilization for the same reason anyone who cares for their lawn will. Then he razed their city with the shovel and I was behind him quoting Oppenhiemer... I have become death, destroyer of worlds... then my own, Behold, the Antpocolypse!

Then, it just felt wrong, lol. And the thought remained.... while his actions would not seem evil or immoral to most humans, to the ants, he was Satan, the great Adversary. I realize I'm planting anthromorphic pictures, the only thing they probably thought was aghhhh, but still, putting myself in their shoes was an uncomfortable sensation.

That being said, recently, he freed a baby Blue Racer lizard from a spider's web and made a friend for life. He carried him out to the landscaping and set him free. The lizard will come and sit beside him while he's working outside. He sees him as a benevolent overlord. I routinely pick up the small shelled snails that wander onto the sidewalk so no one will crush them and I'm inconsolable when I do by accident.

I see this as a lesson in awareness. We think of ourselves as moral and good when we help our fellow man and never think of the havoc we wreak upon those we have "dominion" over if they're small enough to crush underfoot. For the most part. See where I'm going with this now?
 Quoting: Bea Nameless



I do the same thing with snails, I hate it when it is dark and raining then next thing you hear is 'crunch' it makes me cringe, I walk forward with the words 'forgive me' on my lips.
 Quoting: Billy no mates


Exactly. It's like I've failed a test in the "be mindful of smaller, weaker things that trouble you not" class, lol.
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One of these Things Is Not Like The Other--A One Act Play

Players:

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Face Ripping Chimpanzee (Our Primate “cousin”)

Act I Scene 1

Me: Good Morning Face Ripping Chimpanzee. Today our lesson will be about the sum of 2 squares, and how Fermat rediscovered that Primes of the form 4k+1...

Face Ripping Chimpanzee [Interrupting]: Rahhhhhhhhhh Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh Rahhhhhhhhhhhh

Face Ripping Chimpanzee takes off diaper and begins to spray fecal matter like a machine gun

Me: Dammit Face Ripping Chimpanzee, What did I tell you about throwing feces at people? [Wipes glasses off]

Face Ripping Chimpanzee exits stage left to a cacophony of screeching and breaking glass

Me: Sweet Baby Jesus, Face Ripping Chimpanzee, can you please refrain from throwing chairs through windows during your lesson?

Face Rippping Chimpanzee bounds back into the room on all fours

Me: Do you have that out of your system now? Good, Now take your seat...What the hell are you doing now, Now Stop, Dammit Stop, PUT THAT THING AWAY What planet are you from? Who does that? Could you possibly refrain from pleasuring yourself while we are discussing Fermat.

Face Ripping Chimpanzee finishes and then runs to the center of the room and urinates.

Me: Face Ripping Chimpanzee, you are really wearing thin on my nerves today, Stop, Get Off of Me, UhhhhhhhhhhOhhhhh.

[Collapses on floor with a gelatinous pink and sinewy mess where face used to be, Face Ripping Chimpanzee does a somersault and claps his hands]
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The shift in my thinking occurred several years ago. Ants had built a huge hill in the backyard. It was magnificent in scale and scope. Then Tim came in with spray and a shovel and destroyed the burgeoning civilization for the same reason anyone who cares for their lawn will. Then he razed their city with the shovel and I was behind him quoting Oppenhiemer... I have become death, destroyer of worlds... then my own, Behold, the Antpocolypse!

Then, it just felt wrong, lol. And the thought remained.... while his actions would not seem evil or immoral to most humans, to the ants, he was Satan, the great Adversary. I realize I'm planting anthromorphic pictures, the only thing they probably thought was aghhhh, but still, putting myself in their shoes was an uncomfortable sensation.

That being said, recently, he freed a baby Blue Racer lizard from a spider's web and made a friend for life. He carried him out to the landscaping and set him free. The lizard will come and sit beside him while he's working outside. He sees him as a benevolent overlord. I routinely pick up the small shelled snails that wander onto the sidewalk so no one will crush them and I'm inconsolable when I do by accident.

I see this as a lesson in awareness. We think of ourselves as moral and good when we help our fellow man and never think of the havoc we wreak upon those we have "dominion" over if they're small enough to crush underfoot. For the most part. See where I'm going with this now?
 Quoting: Bea Nameless



I do the same thing with snails, I hate it when it is dark and raining then next thing you hear is 'crunch' it makes me cringe, I walk forward with the words 'forgive me' on my lips.
 Quoting: Billy no mates


Exactly. It's like I've failed a test in the "be mindful of smaller, weaker things that trouble you not" class, lol.
 Quoting: Bea Nameless


Bea, How about Lice? I asked earlier but it seems to have gotten lost in the ether. Would you allow Lice to colonize your scalp?
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Thread: THE SIGNIFYING MONKEY. guess.

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The shift in my thinking occurred several years ago. Ants had built a huge hill in the backyard. It was magnificent in scale and scope. Then Tim came in with spray and a shovel and destroyed the burgeoning civilization for the same reason anyone who cares for their lawn will. Then he razed their city with the shovel and I was behind him quoting Oppenhiemer... I have become death, destroyer of worlds... then my own, Behold, the Antpocolypse!

Then, it just felt wrong, lol. And the thought remained.... while his actions would not seem evil or immoral to most humans, to the ants, he was Satan, the great Adversary. I realize I'm planting anthromorphic pictures, the only thing they probably thought was aghhhh, but still, putting myself in their shoes was an uncomfortable sensation.

That being said, recently, he freed a baby Blue Racer lizard from a spider's web and made a friend for life. He carried him out to the landscaping and set him free. The lizard will come and sit beside him while he's working outside. He sees him as a benevolent overlord. I routinely pick up the small shelled snails that wander onto the sidewalk so no one will crush them and I'm inconsolable when I do by accident.

I see this as a lesson in awareness. We think of ourselves as moral and good when we help our fellow man and never think of the havoc we wreak upon those we have "dominion" over if they're small enough to crush underfoot. For the most part. See where I'm going with this now?
 Quoting: Bea Nameless



I do the same thing with snails, I hate it when it is dark and raining then next thing you hear is 'crunch' it makes me cringe, I walk forward with the words 'forgive me' on my lips.
 Quoting: Billy no mates


Exactly. It's like I've failed a test in the "be mindful of smaller, weaker things that trouble you not" class, lol.
 Quoting: Bea Nameless


Bea, How about Lice? I asked earlier but it seems to have gotten lost in the ether. Would you allow Lice to colonize your scalp?
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Those would fall into the "they do trouble me" category. One of those things is not like the other. Being mindful and aware of all life allows you to discern what means you harm, what doesn't. So a parasite like lice, while just doing what they do, interfere with me doing what I do. Snails on the sidewalks or insects that aren't invading my personal space are quite different creatures. I'm guessing you missed the "that trouble me not" part. We don't destroy because we can... and to use your monkey flinging poo analogy, we do it, too... with words, with ink, just not literal poo... more the metaphorical sort. Else our species wouldn't use the word "shit" quite so much...
"Chaos exists as a pool of possibilities that order draws from and organizes according to creative desire. Some things get tossed down the memory hole only to reemerge later when the need arises. Neither chaos nor order holds a monopoly on creation and destruction, creative or destructive chaos exists as does creative and destructive order." - ME! Yeah, Bea :) snoocherdoodle@gmail.com

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