Spiritual Hierarchies

and wiTh Aide from the VrIl SecreT sOCiety taKing care and watching over us all.

winter tempest! :D

Deferring to the characteristics of other worldly beings helps us see ourselves better.

You are projecting some weird baggage into your thoughts. There was no mention of releasing our control of destiny to that which is not us. There was no mention of sentient beings removing our Free Will.

Who is worried about aliens and demons? Jeez, you have brought a lot of your bias and baggage of belief into the mix, haven't ya?

Behave how we ought to, or how someone tells us to?


Oh, EDIT TO ADD: Aliens and Demons



Last Edited by Swinging on Spirals on 08/10/2012 03:27 PM

Because we are simply biological avatars the house our real being, our souls/spirits. Whatever happened on Earth 25-30000 years ago, all these creation myths, language, art, mathematics, kingship, agriculture, are the direct result of the introduction of souls to primate biological organisms.

Our origins are veiled in mystery and metaphor. But the end result is that we as a species transitioned to soul vessel status 30 Thousand years ago. And this means that we now "know better", even though some forget this. This is speculative on my part, obviously, but I believe this is the correct medium for speculative alternative histories.

Animals are lower than us, we have dominion over them. This is not a license to be cruel or destructive, as many of our fellow humans take out their frustration on animals that don't know any better. Although they are, as everything else, connected to the spiritual, they just aren't on our level.

Yes we have to kill in order to eat. I don't think slaughterhouses are particularly moral or the terrible conditions our livestock are kept in. But we can cull animals humanely in order that they serve their purpose, which is to provide us sustenance.

I understand that I am leaving myself vulnerable, to the why can't higher beings use us the same way? But I think that once we came "online" as a species, we entered into a new existence with more complex rules, and that higher beings, by definition, would not regress to destroying us.

I am at work, wasting time, so I am not sure If I made myself clear enough.

And then there's the fact that we act like those aliens and demons to other species here on our own home world out of necessity/greed/hunger and never think twice about it if we need them or if they get in our way. Then we speak of acting with empathy and compassion to each other, but don't even consider giving other things a say in this... why? It's all about us. Just as it would be with something that we would consider an alien or demon.

Now, look at this objectively... I'm playing devil's advocate here, so don't mistake this as me feeling what I'm saying is right, ok? What if something higher than us on the food chain needed us to sustain? What if they saw US as cattle and as having dominion over us? Would it be evil of them to use us in this way? Would it be moral? Think carefully... and consider the small things we stomp on by the simple act of walking across the lawn. Think of the life we displace and destroy in building our shelters. I'm not even addressing the horrid conditions we keep our livestock... just the small things most don't even consider that we destroy by the very act of living and breathing. It's all a scale.

OH! Now I know where I saw '26'. Very combative tone, but she was the one that called out Blue Skies thinking that she was some government agent or something...just because of the number of posts BS has.



Last Edited by Swinging on Spirals on 08/10/2012 03:37 PM

thanks beau

those that can communicate to us know that we are not as we once were, nor, as we will be
this they know because they are not us so they see this in us

so we can safely know that the sensation of what we may label "repulsion", being their sensation of us , if true, is true in the context that the cause of us prompting that sensation is known to be transitory to them

add to that our ever increasing accurate self awareness of our ourselves in our past and one may feel how as we speak our altering emotive sensations formed from our self awareness is altering towards us and that which is not us finding ever closer common ground for communication

our ability to utilize our language to express unique topics which never existed at anytime before 10 years ago in our past 5000 years shows how we altering and in doing so becoming interesting for maybe the first time in over 5000 years

if anything that can communicate desired to harm us, it would have throughout our 5000 year "dark age"
now we are becoming "clever" we by default become topical

Last Edited by aether on 08/10/2012 03:39 PM

LMAO! It was in a thread called, We are being played against each other...

Very apt thread.

Sorry, off topic.

I was responding to multiple themes in thread. One was that Evil is some unknowable entity that exists in another dimension, or that it is spiritual entities our ancients encountered and misunderstood.

And if you have intimate knowledge of alien personalities, good on ya, but for the other 7 Billion + inhabitants of Earth who do not regularly commune with intergalactic travelers, deferring to their characteristics does not help the issue at hand, which is how to get rid of Evil.

Behaving selflessly is how we ought to behave and not because someone tells us to, because it is right.

Please define baggage for me. I am not sure what you mean by this statement.

i quite liked 26`s post
for a "time waster"

Yeah, that was me. But you guys have a habit of ganging up and changing the subject. So it begins.

nice to meet you 26

Chumming the water, good, I like a good row.

Baggage is when you bring pre-concieved notions into your thought patterns and act on them as if they are truth and have been experienced.

It is when you hint at your thoughts that aliens and demons are similar entities.

I might be off here, but probably not.

In the bold above, are you saying the Evil is only present in the human condition?

The shift in my thinking occurred several years ago. Ants had built a huge hill in the backyard. It was magnificent in scale and scope. Then Tim came in with spray and a shovel and destroyed the burgeoning civilization for the same reason anyone who cares for their lawn will. Then he razed their city with the shovel and I was behind him quoting Oppenhiemer... I have become death, destroyer of worlds... then my own, Behold, the Antpocolypse!

Then, it just felt wrong, lol. And the thought remained.... while his actions would not seem evil or immoral to most humans, to the ants, he was Satan, the great Adversary. I realize I'm planting anthromorphic pictures, the only thing they probably thought was aghhhh, but still, putting myself in their shoes was an uncomfortable sensation.

That being said, recently, he freed a baby Blue Racer lizard from a spider's web and made a friend for life. He carried him out to the landscaping and set him free. The lizard will come and sit beside him while he's working outside. He sees him as a benevolent overlord. I routinely pick up the small shelled snails that wander onto the sidewalk so no one will crush them and I'm inconsolable when I do by accident.

I see this as a lesson in awareness. We think of ourselves as moral and good when we help our fellow man and never think of the havoc we wreak upon those we have "dominion" over if they're small enough to crush underfoot. For the most part. See where I'm going with this now?

I'll make this quick, as I am getting paid right now, and even though this job blows, I have to do some work.

I have no mental baggage concerning aliens and demons. I used the term as a synechdoche for Non-Humans. I know the difference, but it is inconsequential to my point. I should probably stop trying to be funny.

But Humans need to take care of their own Evil. If a species or group of beings exist elsewhere in the Universe, and they have Free Will, then there will be Evil if they have not figured out the deal yet.

We need to worry about ourselves right now. Only humans have the power to fix the human race.

Why does everyone think I am a woman? This is getting funny.

I agree with this ^^^

As far as the 'she' I said above, I was just teasing,

i do beau

Go play EDF: insect armagedon. you'll know why people kill ants!


lol. jokes aside. Ants don't fear death like us.

Last Edited by Blitz the storm-striker on 08/10/2012 04:28 PM

We fix us by fixing the way we look at them, the ones "below" us. If we stop looking at it as if we can do anything we like because we have "dominion" (I detest that word!), then we stop looking at humans as if we have dominion... and perhaps something higher and benevolent notices we've moved past such a ragged, trifling paradigm. And even if it doesn't, we notice and things will change, from the bottom up, from the top down.

I suppose you know this because you've been an ant? Tell me about that past life, very interesting, lol. We have no clue what ants think. How can we say we know they don't fear death like us? How can we say that anything below us isn't sentient because it's not sentient like us? If we can't communicate with something, truth is we have no idea what it thinks or what it doesn't. We might believe it to be so, but it doesn't make it so.

only us have been missleaded! We are gods of creation, everything we see is everything we created in previous worlds! when you kill an ant, 100 come back.

ants are connected to the spirit of our common mother!
difference is that we are connected as well as to our mother earth as we are connected to all other planets in the solar system!

earth pardon you for all the misshaps you had! why?

because there is no such things as misshaps. Eart loves you and she wants you to discover that!

divine soul = us
Divine spirit = her

Last Edited by Blitz the storm-striker on 08/10/2012 04:33 PM

You're missing the point entirely by focusing on the details and not the metaphor behind them. By that logic, when we kill or destroy anything out of lust/greed/desire or even necessity, it's ok because it will return stronger. That's the opposite of goodness and morality, IMO. That's the logic humans use to justify their own twisted sense of goodness and morality, sure... but it doesn't make it so. No more than something that sees us as ants thinking the same thing and doing the same thing we do to ants. Get it now?

that says
the planets in our solar system are collectively a female god whom encourages killing by making it advantageous to do so in the certainty it leads us to knowing we are creative gods

I don't see our planet as a god or divine, but it may have a spirit or a consciousness.

We could chose to look at the planet differently, knowing that we are perhaps the most evolved and intelligent(in some cases) beings on the planet, and decide to look after the planet and all the life "aboard" it.
Instead we treat it as an unlimited resource and the animals as lesser life forms for our pleasure.
We could be guardians here, instead we are jailors.

and this serves more as a rant, than any actual purpose, speaking of things you want changed is much easier than the actual change.

Last Edited by Michael_ on 08/10/2012 05:10 PM

I didn't accuse her of being a government agent, I think the government monitors more than interacts. I did accuse her of being a shill of some sorts, and yes it was by the number of her posts, not necessarily anything she wrote. So I feel bad about calling her out and using her as an example, when there are other members who could have and should have been used. That idiot who keeps posting the picture of Jesus on Skateboard comes to mind. No clue what his deal is, but it ain't good.

So Blue Skies if you read this, my bad and I apologize for being a dick. I get banned from here all the damn time, so I post in bursts and then get the boot for a while. And this place has Cocaine like qualities, so me getting banished is like a detox period anyway.

However, I still believe that there are groups using GLP and the other site with an Onyx Black background and Green Letters who are scheming and evil, and they use the conspiracy forums for hidden agendas.

There could also be people here on GLP on the "Good" side, and in my frustration and anger induced tunnel vision due to the bad apples, I assume everyone is with "them", and wrongfully accuse the Good souls of being serpentine. I guess we shall see.

remember 26, forums such as this are read by real people with real motivation to examine everything in detail

this storyline is from 1975 to give you the flavor


[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Last Edited by aether on 08/10/2012 05:24 PM

Aether, nice to meet you as well. Should have mentioned that earlier. Wish I had the time to respond to everything, but electronic message boards are poor stand ins for Conversation and I just cannot keep up with threads and say everything I want to say.

I must sign off for the time being, as familial responsibilities are calling. To everyone involved, this thread was a hoot, enjoy the weekend.

life is a constant balance between goodness and evilness.

we must balance ourselves. sometime we have to do things we don't like. We would like to think to not have to do it.

If evil exist is because god want you to learn about it!

for exemple. what is the good use of it! and what happens when you let it take over.

Pretty much like a fire that keep your warm, roast your meat, If you don't pay attention it will be that fire that will consume you!


im not a evil spirit. i understand that despite how much we try to be good, What we call evil, exist because GOD beleive it to be important.

if evil would not be necesseray. then it would just not exist.

you experiance what you choose to!

once i minded myself that i did not want to do nightmare anymore. i decided to not fear dreams or the dream state.

last time i had a nightmare, that really got me paralysed in my sleep was about 10 years ago!