Godlike Productions - Conspiracy Forum
Users Online Now: 1,758 (Who's On?)Visitors Today: 511,674
Pageviews Today: 729,531Threads Today: 212Posts Today: 3,562
08:27 AM


Rate this Thread

Absolute BS Crap Reasonable Nice Amazing
 

88 Million (1 in 3 Americans) Are Invisible to Government Un-Employment Statistics! Real rate is 20% or more!

 
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 5616706
United States
04/13/2012 09:11 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: 88 Million (1 in 3 Americans) Are Invisible to Government Un-Employment Statistics! Real rate is 20% or more!
88 Million is not 1 in 3 Americans op. It's 1 in 4.

There are 331 million People in the U.S.

Math=Fail.

It shouldn't surprise any of us OP when people don't do their own investigations and rely on propaganda websites like you do.


[link to data.worldbank.org]

That is the statistics. It's called labor force participation rates and it's measured in every UN country. Of course you wont even research what it means or how it's measured. But here it is for you anyway.

We are no worse off than any other country.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 14249851
United States
04/13/2012 09:18 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: 88 Million (1 in 3 Americans) Are Invisible to Government Un-Employment Statistics! Real rate is 20% or more!
Thread: RECORD 87,897,000 americans not in labor force

Already discussed about a week ago

rex
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1238594
United States
04/13/2012 09:26 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: 88 Million (1 in 3 Americans) Are Invisible to Government Un-Employment Statistics! Real rate is 20% or more!
Are you guys kidding? It's the same measure that's been used for every single President. Why would it be fair to suddenly include the people who aren't looking for work or claiming benefits just because it's Obama? The bias is strong indeed.
 Quoting: Devilmay


Not true. Means of counting unemployment were changed during the Clinton administration. Also, lots of job growth is seasonally calculated using the "birth-death model" -- google it.

Shadowstats is significant, because John Williams tries to calculate everything the way it was before it changed (including inflation before hedonic calculations swapped out "pink slime" for steaks because people could no longer afford to buy steaks). That website also explains the changes. Not pumping it, just encouraging people to view its educational info:

[link to www.shadowstats.com]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1238594
United States
04/13/2012 09:28 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: 88 Million (1 in 3 Americans) Are Invisible to Government Un-Employment Statistics! Real rate is 20% or more!
I personally know SEVERAL people who are long-term unemployed or underemployed ( part -time work ), but not counted in any of the unemployment statistics.

Rest assured, the leftist, rubber-stamp media will DECLARE before November that we are now "under 8% " unemployment, and we're in full recovery mode.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1222180


And then whoever wins will keep saying the same thing. As others have pointed out, there's really no left-right difference any more.
telling it straight

User ID: 1461054
United States
04/13/2012 09:29 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: 88 Million (1 in 3 Americans) Are Invisible to Government Un-Employment Statistics! Real rate is 20% or more!
88 Million is not 1 in 3 Americans op. It's 1 in 4.

There are 331 million People in the U.S.

Math=Fail.

It shouldn't surprise any of us OP when people don't do their own investigations and rely on propaganda websites like you do.


[link to data.worldbank.org]

That is the statistics. It's called labor force participation rates and it's measured in every UN country. Of course you wont even research what it means or how it's measured. But here it is for you anyway.

We are no worse off than any other country.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5616706


From the nation's total population, you need to subtract the truly retired people and those who are too young to work or who are unable to work and also subtract those in the military in order to establish the number of Americans in the workforce. When you do that, you'll see that the number gets to about 1 in 3 Americans in the workforce who are unemployed or under-employed. We are talking Depression-level unemployment numbers right now.

Last Edited by telling it straight on 04/13/2012 09:29 PM
telling it straight

User ID: 1461054
United States
04/13/2012 09:32 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: 88 Million (1 in 3 Americans) Are Invisible to Government Un-Employment Statistics! Real rate is 20% or more!
Are you guys kidding? It's the same measure that's been used for every single President. Why would it be fair to suddenly include the people who aren't looking for work or claiming benefits just because it's Obama? The bias is strong indeed.
 Quoting: Devilmay


Not true. Means of counting unemployment were changed during the Clinton administration. Also, lots of job growth is seasonally calculated using the "birth-death model" -- google it.

Shadowstats is significant, because John Williams tries to calculate everything the way it was before it changed (including inflation before hedonic calculations swapped out "pink slime" for steaks because people could no longer afford to buy steaks). That website also explains the changes. Not pumping it, just encouraging people to view its educational info:

[link to www.shadowstats.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1238594



Correct--1994 to be exact.

Williams has been doing this work for the last 30 years. His work brings integrity back to what is reported to us--THE REAL STORY.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1238594
United States
04/13/2012 09:33 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: 88 Million (1 in 3 Americans) Are Invisible to Government Un-Employment Statistics! Real rate is 20% or more!
88 Million is not 1 in 3 Americans op. It's 1 in 4.

There are 331 million People in the U.S.

Math=Fail.

It shouldn't surprise any of us OP when people don't do their own investigations and rely on propaganda websites like you do.


[link to data.worldbank.org]

That is the statistics. It's called labor force participation rates and it's measured in every UN country. Of course you wont even research what it means or how it's measured. But here it is for you anyway.

We are no worse off than any other country.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5616706


Of course you're looking at 2009 statistics in that table. Our labor force participation rate has dropped since then, especially among young adults:

[link to www.positivelyminnesota.com]
WTF Paco

User ID: 3241949
United States
04/13/2012 09:49 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: 88 Million (1 in 3 Americans) Are Invisible to Government Un-Employment Statistics! Real rate is 20% or more!
bump
It's all about slim chances but a slim chance is better than none.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 9669072
United States
04/13/2012 10:00 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: 88 Million (1 in 3 Americans) Are Invisible to Government Un-Employment Statistics! Real rate is 20% or more!
<script src=" [link to player.ooyala.com]

The low interest rate 'logic' is not working and "the economy can't gain any zest, can't gain any vigor" is how Michael Steinhardt describes the crushing of 'widows and orphans' that the Fed has embarked upon. In a Bloomberg TV interview, the WisdomTree chairman notes the broad 'pall' over the equity markets (conjuring images of a funereal procession down Trinity Street) pointing out that there is no reason to be wildly bullish here. Citing Wall Street's lack of 'spirit', he questions the entire raison d'etre of efficient capital transfer as becoming secondary as he rather poignantly asks who has benefited from Fed's policies "Certainly the banks. But ordinarily you'd say, well, low interest rates benefit housing. It certainly hasn't benefited housing." Reflecting on his performance as a hedge fund manager he concludes that extraordinary performance is sadly not necessary anymore as the money flowing into hedge funds means people do exceptionally well for themselves despite diminished performance. While finding equities broadly unappealing, and suggesting talk of QE3 should cease, he notes there are pockets he would invest in but ends by noting that "Bonds are no place to be". -ZeroHedge.com
GreyMatter

User ID: 13402632
United States
04/13/2012 10:01 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: 88 Million (1 in 3 Americans) Are Invisible to Government Un-Employment Statistics! Real rate is 20% or more!
Just wait till all the homeless, deadbeats, and destitute are rounded up and placed in FEMA CAMPS, They will be really fucking invisible then. They will be placed there under the guise of "We are trying to help you, this is for your own good". You can go there and learn how to dig holes, your own graves that is.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 9669072
United States
04/13/2012 10:08 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: 88 Million (1 in 3 Americans) Are Invisible to Government Un-Employment Statistics! Real rate is 20% or more!
`Broad Pall' Settled Over Stocks, Steinhardt Says

Video located here:
[link to bloom.bg]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 7097100
United States
04/13/2012 10:12 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: 88 Million (1 in 3 Americans) Are Invisible to Government Un-Employment Statistics! Real rate is 20% or more!
So it would seem Revelations is correct, because Jehova does state 1/3 of everything.
JimBomB

User ID: 12959613
United States
04/13/2012 10:14 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: 88 Million (1 in 3 Americans) Are Invisible to Government Un-Employment Statistics! Real rate is 20% or more!
I believe it's closer to 30% unemployed un-accounted for off of unemployement insurance.
ha5
fun16
:fun67:
bs14
Self delusion can be a grand thing!
MitakuyeOyasin!
TPTB ARE THE MACHINE [link to youtu.be]
[link to youtu.be]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 12582603
Canada
04/13/2012 10:16 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: 88 Million (1 in 3 Americans) Are Invisible to Government Un-Employment Statistics! Real rate is 20% or more!
When you consider those retired (too old to work) and those too young to work, those on permanent disability, 20 to 22% is a lot of people
LoVeLiGHT420 (OP)

User ID: 8144449
United States
04/13/2012 10:17 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: 88 Million (1 in 3 Americans) Are Invisible to Government Un-Employment Statistics! Real rate is 20% or more!
Be Patriotic: Don’t Vote
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14354892


I'm 37 now, have never voted since I was 18 and this is exactly why. I have known since I was an adolescent that the entire political system was totally corrupt and was well educated by my non-voting parents about this. I do not see it as throwing my vote away either because even if someone who I believed in did get elected, the rest of the establishment would refuse to allow them to make any real change. Maybe when the system as a whole changes, I will start voting but until then count me OUT! I would rather spend the rest of my life not voting and instead educating others about the issues with our political system than to contribute to a system that is absolutely corrupt.
To visit my blog just search:
VILE: Vatican Illuminati Lies Exposed

"What we do in life ripples in eternity." ~ Marcus Aureliu
If you seek truth you will not seek victory by dishonorable means, and if you find truth you will become invincible. -Epictetus
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 12582603
Canada
04/13/2012 10:17 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: 88 Million (1 in 3 Americans) Are Invisible to Government Un-Employment Statistics! Real rate is 20% or more!
I meant 15 to 20 percent
JimBomB

User ID: 12959613
United States
04/13/2012 10:19 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: 88 Million (1 in 3 Americans) Are Invisible to Government Un-Employment Statistics! Real rate is 20% or more!
bs5
Self delusion can be a grand thing!
MitakuyeOyasin!
TPTB ARE THE MACHINE [link to youtu.be]
[link to youtu.be]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 1513486
United States
04/13/2012 10:19 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: 88 Million (1 in 3 Americans) Are Invisible to Government Un-Employment Statistics! Real rate is 20% or more!
Another snippet from the original link in my first post:

The Obama administration is pulling out all the stops. If the real story came out – that the true unemployment rate in this country (those out of work plus those who the government deems as no longer participating) is almost triple that of the official BLS U-3 rate of 8.2% – confidence in the financial markets and the government’s ability to mitigate the crisis would be lost almost immediately. So, too, would Obama’s hope for another four years of fundamentally changing America.

But just because the President and his media conglomerates are preaching of recovery doesn’t mean that everyone believes it. A large portion of Americans, especially those millions of people without jobs, are not going to be swayed by the mainstream propaganda. They are living in a modern day depression right here and now, and they, too, will be headed to the polls in November. And, as Jim Clifton, CEO of Gallup, recently pointed out to RT, they don’t care about anything else except for their personal economic and financial circumstances.

[link to rt.com]
 Quoting: LoVeLiGHT420


now this is the scary part....what's is o gonna do when he finds out his re-election ain't gonna happen...ya'll ever thought about that????
GreyMatter

User ID: 13402632
United States
04/13/2012 10:21 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: 88 Million (1 in 3 Americans) Are Invisible to Government Un-Employment Statistics! Real rate is 20% or more!
bs5
 Quoting: JimBomB


What the hell is that?
JimBomB

User ID: 12959613
United States
04/13/2012 10:22 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: 88 Million (1 in 3 Americans) Are Invisible to Government Un-Employment Statistics! Real rate is 20% or more!
Another snippet from the original link in my first post:

The Obama administration is pulling out all the stops. If the real story came out – that the true unemployment rate in this country (those out of work plus those who the government deems as no longer participating) is almost triple that of the official BLS U-3 rate of 8.2% – confidence in the financial markets and the government’s ability to mitigate the crisis would be lost almost immediately. So, too, would Obama’s hope for another four years of fundamentally changing America.

But just because the President and his media conglomerates are preaching of recovery doesn’t mean that everyone believes it. A large portion of Americans, especially those millions of people without jobs, are not going to be swayed by the mainstream propaganda. They are living in a modern day depression right here and now, and they, too, will be headed to the polls in November. And, as Jim Clifton, CEO of Gallup, recently pointed out to RT, they don’t care about anything else except for their personal economic and financial circumstances.

[link to rt.com]
 Quoting: LoVeLiGHT420


now this is the scary part....what's is o gonna do when he finds out his re-election ain't gonna happen...ya'll ever thought about that????
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1513486


20lol
fun 20
GR7
bs6
Self delusion can be a grand thing!
MitakuyeOyasin!
TPTB ARE THE MACHINE [link to youtu.be]
[link to youtu.be]
Buck Johnson

User ID: 1469644
United States
04/13/2012 10:27 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: 88 Million (1 in 3 Americans) Are Invisible to Government Un-Employment Statistics! Real rate is 20% or more!
I have been saying this for awhile but now hard data confirms it. Unemployment is more likely 15-20% or higher. Jobs are out there but are harder to find and often times looking in the classified ads you will see the same 20-30 jobs being posted over and over month in and month out.

Full Article: [link to www.shtfplan.com]
[Less than 50% post, rest at link above and data source link at the end of this post]

With recovery in full swing and unemployment dropping to an Obama administration near record low of 8.2%, the US economy seems to be bouncing back stronger than ever. Unless, of course, you look at the numbers no one in mainstream media, the Bureau of Labor and Statistics, or the administration is talking about. As many of our readers already know, the official unemployment rates released monthly by the BLS (U-3, U-6) fail to account for one very key figure – those individuals who are no longer in the labor force.

The number of those folks – the ones that don’t matter anymore because counting them would hinder the President’s reelection bid – is absolutely staggering for what is supposed to be the engine of the global economy and the world’s only super power:

Were it not for people dropping out of the labor force, the unemployment rate would be well over 11%.

Over the past several years people have dropped out of the labor force at an astounding, almost unbelievable rate, holding the unemployment rate artificially low. Some of this was due to major revisions last month on account of the 2010 census finally factored in. However, most of it is simply economic weakness.



In the last year, the civilian population rose by 3,604,000. Yet the labor force only rose by 1,315,000. Those not in the labor force rose by 2,289,000.

The Civilian Labor Force fell by 164,000.

Those “Not in Labor Force” increased by 310,000. If you are not in the labor force, you are not counted as unemployed.

Those “Not in Labor Force” is at a new record high of 87,897,000.

Source: Townhall Finance: [link to finance.townhall.com]
 Quoting: LoVeLiGHT420


Spot on, spot on you hit it right on the head. Our unemployment is much higher and much of the data isn't counted and for a good reason. And the funny thing is that the ones not in the labor force are a drain on the resources of the ones that are in the labor force. You may say so what that is just natural and your right, but we have alot of people in jobs that don't pay like it used too and so there is less money to spend and the GDP doesn't grow as much.
[link to www.s8int.com]

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

Quote from Joseph Goebbels Hitlers propaganda man.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 7097100
United States
04/13/2012 10:28 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: 88 Million (1 in 3 Americans) Are Invisible to Government Un-Employment Statistics! Real rate is 20% or more!
No the crazy part is nothing will be done about it. What don't people understand? What U.S. Citizens and the World for that matter need to show the government who the boss really is. Its bullshit. If we want free fucking healthcare you give us free healthcare mother fuckers, because we pay the bill in any decision. Be that our choice, the opposing choice or nothing at all being done. The only true worth is a complete overhaul. It's long over due for a Revolution, so whose with me?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 14354030
United States
04/13/2012 10:31 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: 88 Million (1 in 3 Americans) Are Invisible to Government Un-Employment Statistics! Real rate is 20% or more!
bump
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 14354030
United States
04/13/2012 10:34 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: 88 Million (1 in 3 Americans) Are Invisible to Government Un-Employment Statistics! Real rate is 20% or more!
Nothing is accomplished without pain, nothing is accomplished without sacrifice. Be prepared, read history
JimBomB

User ID: 12959613
United States
04/13/2012 10:34 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: 88 Million (1 in 3 Americans) Are Invisible to Government Un-Employment Statistics! Real rate is 20% or more!
I have been saying this for awhile but now hard data confirms it. Unemployment is more likely 15-20% or higher. Jobs are out there but are harder to find and often times looking in the classified ads you will see the same 20-30 jobs being posted over and over month in and month out.

Full Article: [link to www.shtfplan.com]
[Less than 50% post, rest at link above and data source link at the end of this post]

With recovery in full swing and unemployment dropping to an Obama administration near record low of 8.2%, the US economy seems to be bouncing back stronger than ever. Unless, of course, you look at the numbers no one in mainstream media, the Bureau of Labor and Statistics, or the administration is talking about. As many of our readers already know, the official unemployment rates released monthly by the BLS (U-3, U-6) fail to account for one very key figure – those individuals who are no longer in the labor force.

The number of those folks – the ones that don’t matter anymore because counting them would hinder the President’s reelection bid – is absolutely staggering for what is supposed to be the engine of the global economy and the world’s only super power:

Were it not for people dropping out of the labor force, the unemployment rate would be well over 11%.

Over the past several years people have dropped out of the labor force at an astounding, almost unbelievable rate, holding the unemployment rate artificially low. Some of this was due to major revisions last month on account of the 2010 census finally factored in. However, most of it is simply economic weakness.



In the last year, the civilian population rose by 3,604,000. Yet the labor force only rose by 1,315,000. Those not in the labor force rose by 2,289,000.

The Civilian Labor Force fell by 164,000.

Those “Not in Labor Force” increased by 310,000. If you are not in the labor force, you are not counted as unemployed.

Those “Not in Labor Force” is at a new record high of 87,897,000.

Source: Townhall Finance: [link to finance.townhall.com]
 Quoting: LoVeLiGHT420


Spot on, spot on you hit it right on the head. Our unemployment is much higher and much of the data isn't counted and for a good reason. And the funny thing is that the ones not in the labor force are a drain on the resources of the ones that are in the labor force. You may say so what that is just natural and your right, but we have alot of people in jobs that don't pay like it used too and so there is less money to spend and the GDP doesn't grow as much.
 Quoting: Buck Johnson


VERY GOOD!! Now spread this to EVERYONE YOU KNOW!!
:db8:
Self delusion can be a grand thing!
MitakuyeOyasin!
TPTB ARE THE MACHINE [link to youtu.be]
[link to youtu.be]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 846701
United States
04/13/2012 10:35 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: 88 Million (1 in 3 Americans) Are Invisible to Government Un-Employment Statistics! Real rate is 20% or more!
This is no different to European style unemployment rates. Unemployment looks bad for politicians. Anything to skew the numbers for them is a good thing for them.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 7097100
United States
04/13/2012 10:44 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: 88 Million (1 in 3 Americans) Are Invisible to Government Un-Employment Statistics! Real rate is 20% or more!
This is no different to European style unemployment rates. Unemployment looks bad for politicians. Anything to skew the numbers for them is a good thing for them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 846701


We need something like a civilian monitoring system. Something to be able to check on the well and being of big brother government and politicians. They bring the rights/etc/laws forward and we have a jury or rather a panel that is pre selected and screened through common sense and fairness.
TOMMY B

User ID: 14129959
United States
04/13/2012 10:45 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: 88 Million (1 in 3 Americans) Are Invisible to Government Un-Employment Statistics! Real rate is 20% or more!
Are you guys kidding? It's the same measure that's been used for every single President. Why would it be fair to suddenly include the people who aren't looking for work or claiming benefits just because it's Obama? The bias is strong indeed.
 Quoting: Devilmay


So just get used to being bent over, and don't say anything??? Is that what your family taught you growing up?The title does not say one word about your man, your one of the racist pigs trying to blame this on his color and not the facts. That's right, screw the facts, the facts don't matter. Wake the fuck up already.
GreyMatter

User ID: 13402632
United States
04/13/2012 10:46 PM

Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: 88 Million (1 in 3 Americans) Are Invisible to Government Un-Employment Statistics! Real rate is 20% or more!
This is no different to European style unemployment rates. Unemployment looks bad for politicians. Anything to skew the numbers for them is a good thing for them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 846701


We need something like a civilian monitoring system. Something to be able to check on the well and being of big brother government and politicians. They bring the rights/etc/laws forward and we have a jury or rather a panel that is pre selected and screened through common sense and fairness.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7097100

Sounds kinda like a chip implant.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 13968243
United States
04/13/2012 10:59 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: 88 Million (1 in 3 Americans) Are Invisible to Government Un-Employment Statistics! Real rate is 20% or more!
You can only look at the "real" figure objectively by comparing it to previous presidencies adjusted to include the "real figure", and when you do that suddenly those presidents who appeared to have good employment rates don't seem as good as people think...

The fact is that the current official unemployment rate is now not far off what it was when Bush left office, anything less by November will show that Obama has steered America away from the recession that started under a Republican presidency and towards recovery. The final Bush year was a disgrace ecomonically.
 Quoting: Devilmay


I suppose Obama's rap sheet looks good compared to your average ax murderer too. That's good enough for me. He's got my vote!