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Family Members Of Doomed 911 Flights ´Strangely Silent´

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If this doesn´t scream "Cover up" at y´all, I don´t know what will. It´s a story from Rense.com, the link included for the whole article.
The Bush Admin should be tried for war crimes! Wake up, sheeple!!

BTW, ran across an actual warning from the state dept, not to read rense.com, cause it´s against the govt and is full of too many conspiracy theories! Only our govt knows what is good for us to read!!

[link to www.rense.com]

Except for Ellen Mariani, whose husband was reported on Flight 175, others who lost relatives on the airplanes have kept quiet in stark contrast to those who lost loved ones at Ground Zero. But when those from the ´airplane community´ talk like Linda Gay and Frank Calley, who respectively had family members on Flight 11 and 77, they accept the government 9/11 story hook, line and sinker.

By Greg Szymanski

Linda Gay believes her husband died in the fiery crash on Flight 11, believes the government conducted a fair investigation and blames the entire event on President Clinton who had eight years to catch Osama bin laden but failed.

Gay lost her husband, Peter, 54, a vice president of Raytheon Co. on 9/11. Four years later, she still lives in Tewksbury, Mass., claiming as she did right after the tragic event, she is satisfied with her government´s efforts at getting at the truth behind 9/11, satisfied with the money she received from the victim´s compensation fund and satisfied with not pursuing her husband´s death any further.

"I guess I am different than most people, but I just don´t believe in suing the airlines or the government over something they couldn´t control," said Gay this week in a rare conversation this week from her home in Tewksbury, as she reflected back about the death of her husband, a top executive with a defense technology company doing business with the Pentagon.

"Looking back, one thing strange was that the night before the flight and the early morning on 9/11, Peter seemed more reluctant than usual to leave for California on business like he did every Tuesday for the last year.

"He was the type that didn´t like to be away from home, but on 9/11 he seemed more apprehensive about leaving than usual. The last thing we said was the normal goodbyes before he took the limousine and that was it. I never saw him again and had it confirmed he was on Flight 11 late in the afternoon at 2p.m. when American Airlines called."

Giving a rare interview, Gay´s belief in the official 9/11 story and her reluctance to speak out is a pattern seen among many of the families of those who died on the four doomed airliners.

In fact, save Ellen Mariani, who lost her husband on Flight 175, the rest of the jetliner family community has never publicly questioned the government´s official 9/11 story and has pretty much stayed quiet in the background, out of the public eye.

What makes this surprising, if not downright suspicious, is that it is in stark contrast to the majority of family members who lost loved ones at Ground Zero, a group that has hundreds of outspoken critics of the government´s official story, a group unafraid to publicly blame the Bush administration for being the real culprits behind 9/11.

For example, there are literally hundreds of survivors and family members from Ground Zero who protest the government regularly, saying Bush and the neo-cons are hiding the truth about 9/11 to protect their own skin.

But in stark contrast only Mariani has gone public with her disgust of the government from the airline group, a fact that shouldn´t be ignored when trying to unweave the complex web of deceit woven by the neo-con culprits behind 9/11.

Take, for example, the across the board silence from the airline family community who has never really spoken out about obvious irregularities in the flights themselves, NORAD´s slow response, flight manifest irregularities and, basically, the total lack of a serious investigation regarding their missing relative.

If we want to believe Gay, the answer is simple: total trust in the government and the system. But if we want to look farther, we may find the silence among the flight family community as the tip of the iceberg behind the entire 9/11 mystery.

Read the rest at the link above

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This is the website for the show "Out There", which has the state dept warning. Click on the link and scroll down a bit, it´s right on top. They have a lot of good stories, too.

[link to www.crosswynd.com]

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Well, y´all have to come up with a better insult than that! I have 2 college degrees; how many do you have??? Go to bed, and let the grownups decide!!

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It always struck me as strange, too. My neighbor was the pilot on the flight that hit the Pentagon. I went to the funeral at Arlington cemetary. His wife seemed ready for photo shoots. She was dressed like the perfect widow, every hair in place.

She and her children put the house up for sale within days and left to live nearer to family.

It all seems normal on the surface, but not. Like it was the picture of normalcy, without the real emotion.
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Good points!Doesn´t it seem strange that on the flight manifests, there is a very large number of people working for defense, technological industries connected to defense,aeronautics? There is a long connection between mind control, the military and ritual abuse, where the same names of companies and /or military turn up again and again. Check out the board of "rigorous intuition": "allegations of satanic abuse in California": On that thread a story of a woman is reported, who says she is involved in satanic abuse; she is also the daughter of a man high up in intel and defense work. Also check out the articles at "rigorous" on the military/defense complex and the deeper connections between them and the occult.When you research these topics the "strange" behavior of the families might not be so strange, if you know the proper context.
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"But, more importantly, if this is a clear indication Flight 11 and 77 were only ´phantom flights" and never existed, why then wouldn´t some of the family members publicly voice their concerns? "

Obviously because the "phantom flights" issue makes no sense to them, or to most people. The family members who took those flights are no longer alive, no longer a part of their lives. How can you explain to them where their family member are if they were not on those planes? You don´t, you can´t, and that´s why the family members have nothing to say to the "kooks" who ask them about it. The only explanation they have for their missing family members is that they died in the air crashes.

P.S. The "phantom flights" conspiracy is a false flag to cover up that 9/11 was known about in advance and aided by our top levels of intelligence and secret government and that´s something they don´t want Congress to ever investigate or the people to find out about.
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>>>"BTW, ran across an actual warning from the state dept, not to read rense.com, cause it´s against the govt and is full of too many conspiracy theories! Only our govt knows what is good for us to read!!"<<<

How about giving us the actual link instead of making us wade through an entire page of crap???

>>>"For example, there are literally hundreds of survivors and family members from Ground Zero who protest the government regularly, saying Bush and the neo-cons are hiding the truth about 9/11 to protect their own skin."<<<

Exactly where are these "literally hundreds of survivors and family members" ???
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Have they changed or taken new identities and now living in .... a country in the .....
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Sorry have to also point something out...NYC area/Ground Zero is chock full of far left liberals who hated Bush for breathing...the majority of the populace surrounding NYC hate anything conservative and blamed Bush for birds pooping on their cars.

The families of the victims from the airplanes were from other less liberal areas. You really want those families to get behind the Truther movement when there are claims that the planes didn't hit the Towers? You are basically saying that the lost of their family members on those planes were less than the ones in the Towers.
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"Gay lost her husband, Peter, 54, a vice president of Raytheon Co. on 9/11."


The guy's name was "Peter Gay?" AAAAAHahahahahahhahahahahhaahahahahha..... BWWWHahahahhahahhahhahahhha...

Seriously, though, look here:

[link to www.eagletribune.com]

"Peter, 54, former vice president at Raytheon's Andover plant, was a passenger on Flight 11."

Raytheon's Andover plant... what is/was produced there?

That's Andover, Massachusetts.

[link to raytheon.mediaroom.com]

"Raytheon Company, with 2009 sales of $25 billion, is a technology and innovation leader specializing in defense, homeland security and other government markets throughout the world. With a history of innovation spanning 88 years, Raytheon provides state-of-the-art electronics, mission systems integration and other capabilities in the areas of sensing; effects; and command, control, communications and intelligence systems, as well as a broad range of mission support services."

[link to www.legacy.com]

"He [Peter Gay] had been an employee of Raytheon since college, most recently serving as vice president of operations for electronic systems, based in Andover."


Peter Gay - Flight 11 (Millionaire) (Flight 11)
A vice president and general manager of Raytheon Co. in Andover, Gay had been making weekly commutes to Los Angeles
to supervise development of Patriot missiles at a new California plant.


Ratheon means "light from the gods"
CEO: William H. Swanson Military contracts 2005: 9.1 Billion USD
Raytheon had an office on the 91st floor of yet suffered 0 casualties.

Raytheon had also been hit with millions of USD in fines for padding costs of equipment it sold to the U.S. military.
Raytheon also has a hush-hush subsidiary E-systems with clients such as the CIA and the NSA.

[link to corpwatch.org]

"Peter was a 54-year-old Raytheon vice president and general manager headquartered in Andover who was tasked with helping to develop a new Raytheon plant in California, which would produce the company’s next generation of Patriot missiles.

It was prestigious but onerous. For nearly six straight months, his weekly commute was a cross-continental plane ride from Logan to Los Angeles.

Every week he’d take a Monday morning flight and then return Friday to spend the weekend with his wife, Linda, and their 7-year-old daughter, Larissa Lynn, at their Tewsksbury home.

But on a particular September weekend in 2001, Peter decided to stretch his stay and enjoy an extra day with his family.

He persuaded the company to give him an “office day” at home. The 30-year veteran Raytheon employee’s request was granted, and he spent Monday, Sept. 10, 2001, at his residence. Family members remembered he did some gardening that day. He was due to retire the following year, and family members say the commute was wearing him down a bit.

Tuesday, Sept. 11, 2001, Peter boarded American Airlines Flight 11 a little after 8 a.m.

Less than an hour later Peter and 91 other passengers were the first to be killed in the 9/11 attacks when their plane was crashed into the World Trade Centers’ 110-story north tower."

[link to www.milforddailynews.com]

[link to www.tauntongazette.com]


Other's 'killed' from Raytheon were:

The four employees who died were: * Peter Gay, 54, of
: Tewksbury, Mass., a vice president of operations for
: Electronic Systems based in Andover, Mass., 28 years of
: service

: * Stanley Hall, 68, of Clifton, Va., director of program
: management in Arlington, Va., 17 years of service

: * David P. Kovalcin, 42, of Hudson, N.H., senior mechanical
: engineer for Electronic Systems in Tewksbury, Mass., 15
: years of service

: * Kenneth E. Waldie, 46, of Methuen, Mass., senior quality
: control engineer for Electronic Systems in Andover, Mass.,
: 17 years of service

So, all the leadership of Raytheon's Electronic Systems from the Andover, MA, plant were 'killed.' They were involved in Patriot Missile work.


[link to articles.latimes.com]

Turkey Ceases Trade With Iraq, Boosts Defenses
February 27, 2003

Patriot missiles were unloaded from a cargo ship in the southern port of Iskenderun.


November 16, 2000
Dr. Russell D. O'Neal, Renowned Nuclear Physicist, Dies
The nation mourned the loss of an icon of the scientific community when Dr. Russell D. O'Neal, a past Assistant Secretary of the Army for Research and Development, died at his home in Sea Pines, Hilton Head Island in South Carolina. Dr. O'Neal, a pioneer in radar and electronics who was often called the father of the Patriot missile, was laid to rest on Veterans Day, November 11, 2000 in his hometown of Columbus, Indiana.

[link to www.genealogybuff.com]

"Russell D. O'Neal

HILTON HEAD ISLAND -- Russell D. O'Neal of Sea Pines died Nov. 2 at home

He held a bachelor of arts degree in physics and mathematics from Depauw University, a master of science in physics and mathematics from the University of Illinois and a doctorate in nuclear physics from the University of Illinois. He joined Bendix Corp. in 1955, retiring in 1974, as president, group operations responsible for all aerospace electronic operations with secondary responsibilities for automotive and industrial operations and international sales. In 1971, he was awarded the Distinguished Achievement Award for management performance at Bendix.

Between 1966 and 1968, he served an appointment as assistant secretary of the Army for Research and Development. He received the Distinguished Civilian Service Award in 1968. In 1970, he was appointed by the president and confirmed by the senate to a six-year term on the National Science Board. He was elected to the executive committee in 1973 and vice chairman in 1974. He was a member of the United States Delegation to the International Council of Scientific Unions General Assemblies in Istanbul, Athens, Amsterdam, Cambridge and Ottawa.

He retired as chairman and CFO of KMS Industries in 1976 but still served as a business and technical consultant.
He served on several other boards and was vice chairman of the Environmental Research Institute of Michigan. He had been a consultant to many Department of Defense organizations including the Research and Development Board, study on guided missiles, guided missiles training group and a research and engineering advisory panel on aeronautics. He was a Fellow of American Association for the Advancement of Science, American Physical Society and Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers Ind., and an Associate fellow of the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics.

He was a member of South Carolina Yacht Club, where he was on the Board of Governors and also served as chairman of the Cruising Fleet and a member of The Blue Gavel. He moved to Hilton Head Island in 1984.

SURVIVORS: his wife, Monique of Hilton Head Island; a daughter, Lucy Jean; a son, William John; and five grandchildren, Dwayne, Russell John, Sean, Bret and Lea Marie Howard.

MEMORIAL SERVICE: 2 p.m. Monday at St. Andrews Methodist Church.

The Island Funeral Home, Hilton Head Island.

REMEMBRANCES: Hospice Care of the Low Country, 20 Palmetto Parkway, Suite 104, Hilton Head Island, SC 29926 or American Cancer Society, P.O. Box 6113, Hilton Head Island, SC 29926."

[link to savannahnow.com]


KMS Industries -- Warren Rudman

"Warren B. Rudman became a partner of Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison in 1993 after serving two terms in the U.S. Senate representing New Hampshire. He provides clients with strategic advice regarding commercial and legislative matters. He concentrates on corporate and international law with a focus on corporate investigations. He has been retained by major international corporations and other institutions to conduct internal investigations and provide independent assessments of the organizations’ business practices, governance structure or major initiatives. In 1993, he was asked by the board of directors of Thorn EMI plc to investigate allegations regarding the business practices of its U.S. rent-to-own subsidiary. In 1994-95, Rudman chaired a Select Committee appointed by the board of governors of the National Association of Securities Dealers (NASD) to review the NASD governance and oversight of the NASDAQ Stock Market. Between 2000 and 2001 he served on the Sharm el-Sheikh Fact-Finding Committee (aka The Mitchell Report) which looked at the conflict between Israel and Palestinians.

While in the Senate, Rudman served on the Ethics Committee from 1985 until he left the Senate. As its chairman and vice chairman, he presided over numerous investigations including the Keating Five and was active in fashioning ethics legislation. In addition, he served on the Impeachment Panel for Judge Harry E. Claiborne and Judge Alycee Hastings.

In December 1986, Sen. Rudman was appointed vice chairman of the Senate Select Committee investigating arms transfers to Iran where he was instrumental in organizing and directing the investigation of the Iran-Contra affair. Sen. Rudman served on the Senate Appropriations Committee, the Intelligence Committee, the Governmental Affairs Committee and the well-known Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations.

Prior to serving in the Senate, he served as attorney general of the State of New Hampshire from 1970 to 1976.

Currently, Sen. Rudman is a member of the board of directors of the Chubb Corporation, Allied Waste, Boston Scientific, Collins & Aikman and the Raytheon Company, and a trustee of several funds of the Dreyfus Corporation. In addition, President Clinton appointed him chairman of the President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board where he served from 1993 to 2001. He serves on the Advisory Board of Stonebridge International. He is very active as co-chairman of the Concord Coalition, a non-profit organization which he founded and set up as a grass-roots movement to awaken the American people to the gravity of our nation’s fiscal crisis. Sen. Rudman also serves on the board of trustees of Valley Forge Military Academy, the Council on Foreign Relations and the Brookings Institution. He is a member of the Senior Advisory Committee of the Institute of Politics of the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University.

Sen. Rudman received his B.S. from Syracuse University in 1952 and served in the U.S. Army as a combat platoon leader and company commander during the Korean War. In 1960, he received his law degree from Boston College Law School."

[link to www.nytimes.com]

[link to www.nytimes.com]

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[link to www.cfr.org]

"This report’s recommendations are intended to focus the nation
on what must be done on an emergency basis to prevent attacks
and to limit the consequences of these attacks should U.S. prevention
efforts fail. The Bush administration, Congress, governors,
and mayors around the country have taken important measures
since September 11 to respond to the risk of catastrophic terrorism.
Legislation creating the Department of Homeland Security
should be enacted on an urgent basis, and initiatives to improve
U.S. intelligence operations must go forward. But the United States
will not see the full effect of these fundamental changes for several

[link to www.cfr.org]

[link to www.pbs.org]



Raytheon is a leading developer of missiles and related missile defense systems. Examples include:
AGM-65 Maverick
AGM-129 Advanced cruise missile
AGM-154 Joint Standoff Weapon
AIM-7 Sparrow
AIM-9 Sidewinder
BGM-109 Tomahawk
MIM-104 Patriot

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