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would there have been a different outcome if it was tried in another state?
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So...if someone is born outside the US and one of their parents is a citizen who has lived in the US for at least 5 years and the other parent is a foreigner, they are still a natural born citizen.

But, since the State of Hawaii has certified that Obama is a citizen of Hawaii, that is all that matters legally.
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So...if someone is born outside the US and one of their parents is a citizen who has lived in the US for at least 5 years and the other parent is a foreigner, they are still a natural born citizen.

But, since the State of Hawaii has certified that Obama is a citizen of Hawaii, that is all that matters legally.
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Not according to US Case Law.

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I haven't seen this anywhere but here why isn't it being reported?
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Because it's babbling birther bullshit.
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When the State Department definition isn't good enough for them, they say it's the Constitution that matters.

When you show them what the 14th amendment to the Constitution and the US Code of Federal Regulations says, then they start in with the babbling birther bullshit.
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Because it's babbling birther bullshit.
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shill, disregard!
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When the State Department definition isn't good enough for them, they say it's the Constitution that matters.

When you show them what the 14th amendment to the Constitution and the US Code of Federal Regulations says, then they start in with the babbling birther bullshit.
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shill, still
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born in US means native born, just sayin
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THE CONSTITUTION DOES NOT SAY THAT, NOR DOES US LAW. FUCK OFF LIAR
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Wow this chick is really pissed
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Specifically, he has not proven his eligibility for office. He skated through the first term on goodwill, benefit of the doubt and a web site digital image (not admissible in any court) that was a purported ”Certification of Live Birth.” This is not an actual birth certificate, appears to be a forgery and in any case could have been obtained with only an affidavit, even if it was valid. It has been proven that thousands of foreign born people received Hawaiian COLB’s. No Hospital in Hawaii will admit to birthing him.


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Here, once again, is the birther moron making a claim that all there is -- is a pdf. That's false. Proven false. The fact is, for BIRTHERS like him to see there is a document, all they will have is a scanned document on the web. The fact that a scanned document shows up on the web doesn't mean what the birther moron is claiming: that this is all there is. Sorry, birther, this is just how you get to see a document.

The document has been made, it is certified, HI verifies this. QED. Fucking birther -- you lie
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This chick is for sure a paid SHILL!!!!!!!!!
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When the State Department definition isn't good enough for them, they say it's the Constitution that matters.

When you show them what the 14th amendment to the Constitution and the US Code of Federal Regulations says, then they start in with the babbling birther bullshit.
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The 14th amendment does not define natural born citizenship, it only defines citizenship.

Here's a clue, afterbirthers always use the 14th to prove that anyone born inside US airspace is entitled to US citizenship EVEN IF THE AIRCRAFT NEVER LANDS ON US SOIL and the child born on board is never raised as an American.

They are perfectly willing to use the 14th to grant American citizenship and Natural born status to someone that has never set foot on US soil and even if their parents were never US citizens.
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An immigrant who obtains citizenship is not eligible to be POTUS. All other citizens are what the Constitution considers natural born citizens because they were either native born, or were the child of a US citizen.
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Quit it, you guys ...

quit ignoring the fact that he is a citizen of INDONESIA

hello - he gave up his American citizenship !!!!
and he never reinstated it

the passport he traveled around on while in college was from INDONESIA - he got Studen aide as a FOREIGN STUDENT from INDONESIA

HE IS NOT AN AMERICAN OF HIS OWN FREE WILL

he can't be tried for "treason" because he isn't a citizen

but WE can all be tried for STUPIDITY when we continue to IGNORE the REAL ISSUE ... Berry hasn't been an American since he was adopted by his moms second husband and they moved to INDONESIA
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I've seen no evidence that his step dad legally adopted him and have never heard him address the question. I have also never seen any law that says that a child has to give up their US citizenship in order to be adopted by their step parent.
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The law doesn't even require a person to be born in the USA to be a US citizen. Only one parent must be a citizen that has lived in the US for a specific length of time to confer citizenship to their child.

Also, there is no legal definition for the term "natural born citizen." A person is either a citizen by being native born, by having at least one parent who is a citizen, or by fulfilling the requirements for naturalization after immigration to the USA.
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Obama is not an American citisen, because he is a citizen of INDONESIA ... He was adopted by his mother's second husband, and Indonesia DOES NOT RECOGNIZE DUAL CITIZENSHIP ... in plain English that means, that his American citizenship as well as his British/Kenyan citizenship were relinquished in order for him to become a citizen of Indonesia

NOW DO YOU GET IT ????

has nothing to do about where he was born
has everything to do with the fact that he ISN'T AN AMERICAN !


it also has everything to do with the fact that he is probably the biggest liar the world ever experienced - and the fact that he had plenty of help doing it, is evident .


now, if you knew Obama wasn't an American - would you vote for him?
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So...are you sure he was legally adopted? Are you sure that Indonesia automatically grants citizenship to immigrants that are adopted by Indonesian citizens? Are you sure that he wasn't just a resident of Indonesia who retained his US citizenship. Are you sure that a resident of Indonesia cannot hold an Indonesian passport and an American passport at the same time?
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Indonesia has their own laws, and does not recognize "dual citizenship" ... you are not allowed to attend school in Indonesia unless you are a citizen ... We have seen school records with his adopted name ...

Barry's grandparents did not adopt him ... they raised him
they knew he was an citizen of Indonesia - they just ignored that issue - and when Barry became 18 he didn't need to sign up for Selective Services because he wasn't an American ... but when he became a Senator, he needed proof that he WAS an American (with DUAL CITIZENSHIP)


SO WHAT if he lived in America for the past 30 years or so - HE NEVER APPLIED FOR CITIZENSHIP = ILLEGAL ALIEN
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I gotta call BS unless you can provide some credible sources. I don't believe they wouldn't allow a child to enroll in school because the child was a foreign resident. Think about it...we allow foreign kids to enroll in school here.

Don't you think his opponents would have dug this crap up a long long time ago if there was any proof? And yes, I've heard the rumors that the Clintons thought he applied to college as a foreign exchange student or something, but, again, no credible sources ever given.
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I gotta call BS unless you can provide some credible sources. I don't believe they wouldn't allow a child to enroll in school because the child was a foreign resident. Think about it...we allow foreign kids to enroll in school here.

Don't you think his opponents would have dug this crap up a long long time ago if there was any proof? And yes, I've heard the rumors that the Clintons thought he applied to college as a foreign exchange student or something, but, again, no credible sources ever given.
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You do realize that countries outside of the US don't have to follow US laws? Illegal alien children only get free (to them) public education because of a Supreme Court ruling. Other countries don't have to recognize the laws of OUR Supreme Court.

BTW - Per the immigration laws at the time of Obama's birth. If he was born in Kenya, then he would not automatically have been a citizen of the US. His mother would have had to naturalize him aka apply for citizen ship for him upon re-entry into the US.

Since he was born in Kenya, which at the time was a British colony, and his father was a citizen of Kenya/Britain, then he would be automatically a BRITISH citizen.

Which is why, when as a Senator he visited the USSR, he was detained as a possible spy for Britain. Even they knew that he was not a US citzen.
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Sources? And WND don't count. See references to the US Constitution, the 14th amendment, the Code of Federal Regulations, and the US State Department requirements for citizenship detailed above.
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I'm really anxious to see your source for your claim that he was detained as a possible British spy while traveling as a US Senator.
Surely you know how spouting such nonsense harms your credibility.
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And...the USSR was no longer in existence when he was a Senator.
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Also...never said anything about illegal alien children going to school...we were talking about foreign children residing in a Country legally, specifically about Obama residing in Indonesia with his parents.
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AGH!!! I'm still watching the video of the hearing...and it's driving me crazy!!

Why can't we have actual competent attorneys on this. And I'm not picking sides - both attorneys are blowing their cases.

It's also driving me crazy that I can't get a drivers license, state id or a social security card without presenting an original certified duplicate of my birth certificate AND I can't get a job without at least one of those documents PLUS a photo id. YET...the POTUS doesn't have to produce anything?

The Obama attorney actually insists that proof of identity is not a requirement to be placed on the ballot to run for President.

Let me make it clear - I do NOT care what the results are. I want Obama and ALL Presidential candidates to provide the same damned proof I have to present for a job.

Why on earth can't Obama just release the original certified duplicates of his birth certificate to at least Congress. Technically, they should be submitted to the Secretaries of State of all states and D.C? WHY has he chosen to not do so?

Deep breath...

Ok. Birth Certificate aside. Next is the citizenship question. His acknowledged father was not a citizen - disqualifying Obama. His adopted father was not a citizen - and the question of the Indonesian law regarding this have not been properly argued. Side note: We haven't seen anything indicating the Obama legally changed his name back to Obama. In which case, he was sworn into office under an assumed name - and that is another can of worms that has to be investigated. Side note: It is possible that this is the real reason he had to retake his oath of office, but since there is no public record of those proceedings - we'll never know.

Given that we now have the potential of TWO Presidential candidates that do not meet the criteria of "natural born citizen". This issue needs to be dealt with once and for all by the Supreme Court. They've been dodging it for 200 years. Time for them to step up and make the call once and for all - BEFORE the November election.

Again, I just want the truth. If everything necessary is submitted to the public record and is beyond reproof - the case is closed and we move on. We just make sure that proper adjustments are made and that all future nominees provide the appropriate paperwork.

Truth is NOT a dirty word. Truth is NOT a bad thing. Truth is truth, To the end of reckoning.
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Once again...it does not matter that his father was a foreigner. Read the Code of Federal Regulations. It says that as long as one parent is a citizen that has resided in the US for 5 years then he is a natural born citizen.

By law the State Health Department Vital Statistics Branch (names vary slightly)in each State maintains official birth and death records. The Hawaii Health Commissioner has certified that the original birth certificate is on file and that he is officially a citizen of Hawaii. That is legally the final word. Copies of the birth certificate have been made available..but that wasn't good enough..birthtards started spouting nonsense about long form versus short form, PDF conspiracies, on and on babbling birther bullshit.
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back in the sixties and even in the seventies - you didn't need a "birth certificate" for hardly anything ... a baptisimal certificate or a Certificate of Birth from a hospital, or an affidavid from the attending Dr - was all considered Proof of Identity .

it is very concievable that Barry could, with just a Certificate of Live birth, from a hospital in Hawaii - could get all the way through college - by bluffing - and in his case - stealing a Social Security number (or a dozen) and forging a Selective Service Card ... but no one gets into Harvard unless they are vetted ... or connected - please don't insult my intelligence

The first thing Barry did as POTUS was to hide his identity ... some believe that he may have murdered to keep it hidden ... unless he is held accountable for his actions, which are certainly not the results of "circumstances" or "divine intervention" but the cunning of conspiring men with plenty of forethought and power.

it looks like Berry is the scapegoat ... and that he isn't going to "step down" - even if he is impeached .....

OBVIOUSLY - HE IS ABOVE the LAW ... he WRITES IT (executive orders) as he goes to suit his agenda to show the world how really stupid Americans ARE ...

I'm a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, who loves my country - and I understand why being natural born as a Citizen is important enough to be a requirement to be President ... being natural born means being raised by two parents who respect being a citizen of the United States and it give one the innate respect that this Nation deserves -

Barry was raised by a mother who apparently had no respect for the American "establishment", which is evident because she married two "foreign" men ... Barry's father was not an American - and his mother was not even an "adult" at the time of his birth, and technically couldn't pass on her American citizenship to her child - unless he was born IN the USA ... and that's why she showed up at a hospital in Hawaii with baby Barry (day old) to get a certificate of live birth - (and ran the announcement in the paper) that at that time served to legally identify an individual as an American - Ann Dunham probably used the CoLB to get his first passport - when they flew to Indonesia with his new daddy - but that is when the pretense of Barry being born with "dual citizenship ends - because when his mother married the Indonesian guy - she gave up her American citizenship as well as Barry s to become Indonesian ...

Barry hasn't been an American since he was TWO YEARS OLD ... and when he returned to America at the age of ten, to live with his grandparents, in Hawaii, no doubt his grandmother just used the CoLB to get him in school, and everyone just assumed he was an American who lived overseas for a while ... when in fact, he came here on an Indonesian Passport and never made any attempts (on record) to re-instate his citizenship

but again, this was no "oversight" he went on to study Constitutional Law at Harvard and supported one of many bills flooding the Congress to change the law about "natural born" - he also sat on the committee of Senators who vetted John Mc Cain ... he KNEW that he was not "natural born" and in fact, not even a citizen at all - much less one with dual citizenship as he claimed when he went to Kenya as a Senator

but Obama doesn't have dual citizenship - Indonesia doesn't recognize dual citizenship ... if you are an Indonesian that is ALL you are. And in those days that also meant being raised Muslim too. (which the school records also verify)

are you beginning to get the picture ?

it isn't about where he was born, at all - even if he was an anchor baby - his American citizenship was renounced and never re-instated ... Barry whatever his real name is - may believe that it is just a "technicality" that he isn't an American and that he is a victim of circumstances - but the fact is - he is not "innocent" until proven guilty - because he isn't an American citizen and should be deported immediately
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Wow! Where do you get all this nonsense? You are so full of so much inside personal information about all the intimate details of the entire family's personal lives! I am sure you must have excellent sources! Just wish you would provide some credible ones for all to see. Until then, just more babbling birther bullshit.
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I gotta call BS unless you can provide some credible sources. I don't believe they wouldn't allow a child to enroll in school because the child was a foreign resident. Think about it...we allow foreign kids to enroll in school here.

Don't you think his opponents would have dug this crap up a long long time ago if there was any proof? And yes, I've heard the rumors that the Clintons thought he applied to college as a foreign exchange student or something, but, again, no credible sources ever given.
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I hate to get involved, but on the Indonesian point I can attest its true

I lived and worked in Bali off and on for 3 years in the 90s. and Indonesian laws are incredibly strict, not lenient like the US

You cannot buy and own property if you aren't an Indonesian citizen, and it is nearly impossible to become an indonesian except through marriage or adoption

If someone was allowed to go to school in Indonesia, it's because they were a citizen. There is no other way

We in the US think everyplace is as open and easy going as we are, but in fact we're pretty rare

Now re birth certificates, etc etc, I am staying OUT of that discussion. I think it's a no win debate. I'm only commenting on my experience living in Indonesia

good luck to you
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HA HA!

the birthers were right!

i guess all of you afterbirthers must be feeling a little butthurt right about now.
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I've seen some speculation that both Obama and his mother were involved in the collection of foreign intelligence for a certain three letter agency. Might explain some of the travel and secrecy. Think about that one GLP.

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