Mission Statement: Muhammad was NOT a Pedophile & The Star of David is a Satanic Hexagram

You got it wrong.

Yeshua did NOT do away with haTorah!!!


Read Mattithyahu 5: 17-20.

Mat 5:17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to complete.
Mat 5:18 “For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done.
Mat 5:19 “Whoever, then, breaks one of the least of these commands, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the reign of the heavens; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the reign of the heavens.
Mat 5:20 “For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall by no means enter into the reign of the heavens.

Yeshua and the original taught ones were ALL Torah observant! The religious elite of Yeshua's time were walking in what we would today call "talmudic judaism", which places dogmas and laws of men above the Torah of YHVH!

I would dare to say the 95% of so called "christians" would recognize the original Torah observant Yeshua if he were standing in their midst. I believe they would kick him out of their so called "churches".

Again, you are offering some truth, but still need more purging.

Shalom,
Eliyah Ben Yisrael

Actually - in regards to abrogation

The bible goes from violent to peaceful

the Quran goes from peaceful to violent

because you are not like arabs(further more you are not just turks, your population contains a very big number of indigenous people that were here when the turks came in asia minor. This made you accept more easily minorities or different populations, cultures). the persians are also like you, more open minded. is the arabs that have most of the fanatics. there we is the problem.

nice to hear that friend. yes, it is an ever growing city. hope I could visit Romania one day, I saw beautiful footages of the mountain areas.

yes OPie is weird, he made an other thread a few days ago, where he was claiming quran verses to be all scientific and such, I pointed out why I thought he was wrong, he never answerd me, and the thread got deleted after a while... just like he hasnt answered here either.

anyways, bedtime for me

Again - My post was not about the disinfo that you cite,

but about the MASS murders of Muslims. Still no comment about that?

I understand Turkey is more moderate and therefore more respectful of others. Many are worried though about the current leaning to more fundamentalism by the government. The world waits to see the outcome.

Name me one real, and true Christian who massed murdered anyone - there are none - mass murders use religion as a tool for the sheep - Real Christians do not murder, they only defend

like Christ (buy a sword) - defend

like Mo - carry it and USE it often

After Mohammed moved to Medina in the year 622 AD and his followers grew in strength and number, he became a relentless warrior, intent on spreading his religion by the sword, and this is the message that now lives on. Here is some evidence from Quran of this stage:

1. He claimed that God told him to kill his opponents in Surah Al baqarah (2:191) ‘And slay them wherever ye catch them …’


Imam Abdullah Yusuf Ali, comments on this verse saying, “This passage is illustrated by the events that happened at Hudaybiyyah [a battle] in the six year of the Hijrah [exodus of Mohammed from Mecca to Medina]. The Muslims were by this time a strong and influential community”. (The Meaning of the Holy Quran P77).

2. He claimed that God told him to kill whoever rejects Islam in Surah Al Baqara (2:193) ‘And fight them on until there is no tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Alla …’



Imam Abdullah Yusuf Ali, comments on this verse saying, “Islam will not acquiesce in wrong doing, and its men will hold their lives cheap in defence of honour,and the religion which they hold sacred. They believe in courage, obedience… and a constant striving by all means in their power… They will not flinch from war if their houner,demands it and a righteous Imam commands it” (The Meaning of the Holy Quran P77).

Last Edited by No Dhimmi on 04/14/2012 05:54 PM

You are a very confused person.



I am really curious, how old are you?

The Qur'an proposes an Ever-Expanding Universe which was not a scientific theory until the 1920's:

And it is We Who have constructed the heaven with might, and verily, it is We Who are steadily expanding it. (Qur'an, 51:47)

The Sun, as a star, eventually expires and this was not understood until recently that suns evnetually burn out:

And the sun runs to a fixed resting place. That is the decree of the Almighty, the All-Knowing. (Surah Ya Sin, 38)

Accurately stating there are 7 layers of crust:

It is Allah Who created the seven heavens and of the earth the same number, the Command descending down through all of them, so that you might know that Allah has power over all things and that Allah encompasses all things in His knowledge. (Qur'an, 65:12)

All mammals came from water:

Allah created every [living] creature from water. Some of them go on their bellies, some of them on two legs, and some on four. Allah creates whatever He wills. Allah has power over all things. (Qur'an, 24:45)

Moses parting the sea:

So We revealed to Moses, 'Strike the sea with your staff.' And it split in two, each part like a towering cliff. And We brought the others right up to it. We rescued Moses and all those who were with him. Then We drowned the rest. There is certainly a Sign in that yet most of them are not believers. Truly your Lord is the Almighty, the Most Merciful. (Surat Ash-Shu'ara', 63-68)

How milk is made:

There is instruction for you in cattle. From the contents of their bellies, from between the dung and blood, We give you pure milk to drink, easy for drinkers to swallow. (Qur'an, 16:66)


No light at bottom of the sea and the nature of the sea:

Or [the unbelievers' state] are like the darkness of a fathomless sea which is covered by waves above which are waves above which are clouds, layers of darkness, one upon the other. If he puts out his hand, he can scarcely see it. Those Allah gives no light to, they have no light. (Qur'an, 24:40)

Qur'an on animal socieites:

There is no creature crawling on the earth or flying creature, flying on its wings, who are not communities just like yourselves…(Qur'an, 6:38)

The Qur'an states that stars are made from a gas cloud / smoke, and scientists today also theorize that as the origin of the universe:

Then He turned to heaven when it was smoke and said to it and to the earth, "Come willingly or unwillingly." They both said, "We come willingly." (Qur'an, 41:10-11)

Orbits and Rotating Universe:

"[I swear] by Heaven with its cyclical systems,"(Qur'an, 86:11)
space had "its oscillating orbits," (Qur'an, 51:7)

Pork has been proven to bad for human health:

He has only forbidden you carrion, blood and pork and what has been consecrated to other than Allah. But anyone who is forced to eat it-without desiring it or going to excess in it-commits no crime. Allah is Ever-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (Qur'an, 2:173)

Identifying the Star Sirius:

… it is He Who is the Lord of Sirius. (Qur'an, 53: 49)

A Helio-Centric Galaxy:

He created the heavens and the Earth with truth. He wraps the night around the day and wraps the day around the night, and has made the Sun and Moon subservient, each one running for a specified term. Is He not indeed the Almighty, the Endlessly Forgiving? ( Surat az-Zumar, 5)

And the Sun runs to its resting place. That is the decree of the Almighty, the All-Knowing. And We have decreed set phases for the Moon, until it ends up looking like an old palm spathe. It is not for the Sun to overtake the Moon nor for the night to outstrip the day; each one is swimming in a sphere. (Surah Ya Sin, 38-40)

The Aero-Dynamic Nature of the flight of Birds:

Do they not see the birds suspended in mid-air up in the sky? Nothing holds them there except Allah. There are certainly signs in that for people who believe.(Surat an-Nahl, 79)

The sky as a dome:

It is He Who made the earth a couch for you, and the sky a dome. He sends down water from the sky and by it brings forth fruits for your provision. Do not, then, knowingly make others equal to Allah. (Qur'an, 2:22)

There are so many MIRACLES of ELAH, OF GOD, OF YAHWEH in the Qur'an.

The Arabic word bahr ( meaning : sea ) occurs in Qur'an 32 times and the word berr oryabas ( meaning : land ) occurs 13 times.

Sum = 13 + 32 = 45
Percent Ratio of word Sea = (32/45)x100 = 71.111 % ( approx. 71 )
Percent Ratio of word Land = (13/45)x100 = 28.88888 % ( approx. 29)
Percent Ratio of Sea on earth = 71 %
Percent Ratio of Land on earth = 29 %

It is your choice if you wish to be ignorant:

Islam is the truth.

Well that clears everything up then.

lets just say I am retired and been to 3 countries in the "sand box" as we say here -(as well as 20 other countries)

He claimed that God told him to fight the ‘people of the Book’ (Christians & jewish people) in Surah Al Tawba (2:29) ‘Fight those who believe not in Alla and the Last Day … nor acknowledge the religion of truth (Islam) from among the People of the Book until they pay the Jizyah (tax) with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued …’


Imam Abdullah Yusuf Ali, comments on this verse saying, “A straight fight in the cause of right; go forth bravely to strive and struggle, and prove yourselves worthy of Alla”
(The Meaning of the Holy Quran P.446).

I am sure we can find some popes, kings of spain, american colonists. Vlad Tepes thought he was a christian. Jesus didn't meant literally to buy a sword, if he did say that.

(Surah Al Tawbah 9: 12) “… Fight ye the chiefs of Unfaith [infidel] …”



* Imam Abdullah Yusuf Ali, comments on this verse saying,”The catalogue of their sins being set out, it is cleare that they were aggressors in the worst possible ways; and war became inevitable”. (The Meaning of the Holy Quran P.440).


(Surah Al Tawbah 9: 14) “Fight them and Alla will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you to victory over them, Heal the breasts of Believers”



* Imam Abdullah Yusuf Ali, comments on this verse saying,”When Alla’s Law is stablished, the fire of indignation is quelled, and the true Peace of Islam is attained” (The Meaning of the Holy Quran P.441).

(Surah Al Tawbah 9: 123) “O ye who believe fight the unbelievers who gird you about. And let them find firmness in you and know that Alla is with those who fear Him”



* Imam Abdullah Yusuf Ali, comments on this verse saying,”When conflict becomes inevitable, the first thing is to clear our surroundings of all evil…To evil we must put up a stout and stif resistance” (The Meaning of the Holy Quran P.475).

(Sura Al Anfal 8: 65) “O Prophet rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patint and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers: for these are a people without understanding”



* Imam Abdullah Yusuf Ali, comments on this verse saying, “In a fight … the men of faith do not daunt. Whether they personally win or die, their cause prevails. They are sure to win: because (1) they have divine aid, and (2) even humanly speaking, those who take up arms against truth are fools, and their seeming power is but a broken reed”. (The Meaning of the Holy Quran P.431).
He adds,” Jihad (Holy war) is fought under strict conditions laid down by Islam, and glory for the cause of Alla”. (The Meaning of the Holy Quran P.431).

Christian in NAME ONLY

Tell me one person Christ killed

The dead Mo killed are buried in many places

You reject this?

(Surah Al Baqara 2: 216) “Fighting is prescribed upon you …”


* Imam Abdullah Yusuf Ali, comments on this verse saying, “To fight in the cause of truth is one of the highest forms of charity”. (The Meaning of the Holy Quran P.86).
Notice: Fight is a form of charity, in Islam!!!


(Surah Al Anfal 8:60) “Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts) of the enemies of Alla and your enemies …”


* Imam Abdullah Yusuf Ali, comments on this verse saying, “In every fight arm yourself with the best weapons and the best arms against your enemy, so as to instil wholesome respect into him for you and the cause you stand for”. (The Meaning of the Holy Quran P.429).

keep in mind that you are communicating to a non-native speaker. and google didn't help on this one.


army?

The problem with the assessment of Islam in the West, which is predominantly Christian, is the it is looked upon as another faith- like Christianity- and thus it is the right of each individual to worship as he or she pleases. This is right, but the problem is that Islam is not like Christianity.

Christianity is a system of faith and morality which can exist within any national or state system, but Islam however has its own political and judicial system embodied in the Shareia (law) which governs every Muslim. For this reason, Islamic fundamentalists who live even in a moderate Islamic state with a secular political system, will attempt to overthrow this system because it does not sufficiently embody the principal of Islam being ‘Religion and State’.

By no means are Muslims bad, or killers, because this is not at all true- there are many moderate Muslims who are good and constructive members of society, but even these are looked upon by fundamentalists as kaffara (apostate) because they do not follow the Quran faithfully, and thus are also worthy of the same end as any non-Muslim, that is, death.

Thus, the problem is one of Islam, and not of Muslims. We know that in any religion, or any faith, it is the role of each believer to carry out the teachings of that faith, and thus, these teaching become the rules by which he or she lives- any ‘faithful’ Muslim must follow the Quran.

Islam everywhere in the world especially in the West follow the same ideology and strategy of Islam. They start with the first stage of weakness to pretend that they are peaceful and loving. They take advantage of Democracy and Human Rights in the West to spread their faith.

After they become strong they do not hesitate to kill people and destroy the civilization of the West, which –according to their belief– is against the doctrines of Islam, as we have seen in bombing the World Trade Center in New York and the Pentagon in Washington.

just say, military

Muhammad cleared out all Christians from the middle east. Syria used to be Christian. Istanbul was Constantinople.

YHWH = Jehovah = 1) Father 2) Jesus 3) Holy Spirit

The Hidus have their gods. The Gnostics claim Jesus is something he's not. Muslims are no dif.

Mohammed Hassanein Heikal’ a well-known Egyptian Muslim author refers to this fact in his famous book “Autumn Furor”. He said,

“The element of Jihad (holy war) emerged in the ideology of Abul Alaa Almaudoody (a fanatical Muslim in Egypt). He went on to differentiate between two separate stages, a Muslim community goes through:
The stage of weakness – In it a Muslim community is unable to take charge of its own destiny. In this case – according to his thinking – they must withdraw for the purpose of preparing themselves to be capable of executing the second stage.
The second stage is the Jihad (holy war) stage, and it will come when the Islamic Community has completed its preparation and is ready to come out of its isolation to take charge, through Jihad
In this, Abul Alaa Almaudoody was making a comparison between the two stages of weakness and Jihad on the one hand, and on the other hand, Mohammad’s struggle in Mecca, then in Medina.”[Following the same strategy of Mohammed].


Hassan Abdulla Al Torabi, the most fanatic Sudanese Muslim leader, was accustomed to say openly,
“We pretend to be weak, till we become strong”


Imam Abdullah Yusuf Ali, comments on Surah Al baqarah (2:191) ‘And slay them wherever ye catch them…’
“This passage is illustrated by the events that happened at Hudaybiyyah [a battle] in the six year of the Hijrah [exodus of Mohammed from Mecca to Medina]. The Muslims were by this time a strong and influential community”. (The Meaning of the Holy Quran P77).

This is the reality of Islam and his two faces. How much we should be aware of what is happening around us.

Of course Jesus didn't kill anyone.
What about chirtsian inquisition? didn't they burn up women calling them saucers? i am sure there was no economic interest just religious motives. But this has nothing to do with God.

Luke 19:27
English Standard Version (ESV)OF bible

27 But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.’”





“Do not think that I have come to bring peace upon the earth. I have come to bring not peace but the sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one’s enemies will be those of his household” (Mt 10:34-36).


NAB LUK 22:35

"...And the man without a sword must sell his coat and buy one."

You are either ignorant or using incorrect terms to deceive - it was the Roman Catholic Inquisition - not Christian - Actual Christians were also killed by these false teachers

still waiting for ANSWER FROM "DHIMMI" ABOUT HIS OWN SCRIPTURE---------------AGAIN YOUR LORD WILL ASK YOU ABOUT YOUR DEEDS NOT ABOUT OTHER RELIGION---- CAN U EXPLAIN ME WHAT WAS JESUS TRYING TO SAY HERE

so you were on dateline?

you said it was ok for muslims to have sex with pubescent 9 year olds?

what year were you on dateline?

HAHA