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Questions about Jesus and Lucifer. One in the same?

 
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Was Jesus the real Wolf in Sheeps clothing that came down to decieve mankind with his miracles and mislead mankind??? Why else would so many deaths be attriubutes to Christianity and the Word of God??? Why else would he be called the morning star and say he is equal to god??? If you think about it, if it's true, it really would be the biggest deception of mankind and the biggest hand of the devil. Just food for thought.
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This I found interesting.

://www.reptilianagenda.com/bib/b082100b.shtml
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Was Jesus the real Wolf in Sheeps clothing that came down to decieve mankind with his miracles and mislead mankind??? Why else would so many deaths be attriubutes to Christianity and the Word of God??? Why else would he be called the morning star and say he is equal to god??? If you think about it, if it's true, it really would be the biggest deception of mankind and the biggest hand of the devil. Just food for thought.
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I hear where you're coming from, but assess what He actually did. . .He confronted the holier-than-thou religionists, and He dined and communed with the nobodies and rejects. Bottom line is He advised us to be good to each other. Whatever is aimed at misleading mankind, I don't think He's in on it ;)
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No, its the latest marketing strategy from satan Inc, to try and link Jesus and Lucifer, mosta the rosicrucian shills here are trying to push this BS.
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OP, consider this. Organized power existed before the English language.

The very language that you use to "think" is designed to be deceptive.

Many people think Lucifer is Satan. Many more associate Lucifer with the Morning Star and note that Jesus said he was the Morning Star. Some think Jesus is Satan, others think they are more like opposites.

The point is you're wading into almost impossible surf trying to ascribe "the" meaning to a symbol. And it is meant to be this way.

It's possible to decipher symbolism, to trace the origins of ideologies, to give a coherent view of mankind's entire history, to explain how we got to where we are - in short, we are created in the image of the Creator and the knowledge thereof is available.

The circumstances of the real world are such that few people have time to dig through all of this (work, children, etc.), fewer still have the motivation (moral degenerates, etc.), fewer still have their intellect intact (mercury in their vaccines, etc.), and fewer still avoid murder when it becomes apparent to the controllers of society that they are blossoming intellectually.

There's an easy way around this, though: judge a tree by its fruits, not its name.
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OP, consider this. Organized power existed before the English language.

The very language that you use to "think" is designed to be deceptive.

Many people think Lucifer is Satan. Many more associate Lucifer with the Morning Star and note that Jesus said he was the Morning Star. Some think Jesus is Satan, others think they are more like opposites.

The point is you're wading into almost impossible surf trying to ascribe "the" meaning to a symbol. And it is meant to be this way.

It's possible to decipher symbolism, to trace the origins of ideologies, to give a coherent view of mankind's entire history, to explain how we got to where we are - in short, we are created in the image of the Creator and the knowledge thereof is available.

The circumstances of the real world are such that few people have time to dig through all of this (work, children, etc.), fewer still have the motivation (moral degenerates, etc.), fewer still have their intellect intact (mercury in their vaccines, etc.), and fewer still avoid murder when it becomes apparent to the controllers of society that they are blossoming intellectually.

There's an easy way around this, though: judge a tree by its fruits, not its name.
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I have always found symbolism fascinating but agree that it can be quite hard to decipher especially with so much revision in the bible itself. I just found the striking evidence relating the two very overwhelming.
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Yes, Jesus is Lucifer but Lucifer is NOT SATAN

Lucifer is the bright and morning star
was called LUZ = the house of Bethel in the OT - Gen 28:19



It is only in post-New Testament times that the
Latin word Lucifer was used as a name for the devil,
both in religious writing and in fiction, especially
when referring to him prior to his fall from Heaven.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

[link to openeyes1.weebly.com]
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Lucifer as satan is a lie ..the bible never says it' satan

lucifer is VENUS the bright and morning star = Jesus home

[link to www.thefreedictionary.com]



Venus backwards is SUNEV = suneve = sun eve

the mother of all living ! the house


the 3 stooges went to Venus or suneve

HOLLYWOOD TELLING YOU
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Different sides of the same coin governed by the sum of themselves.

Also I hate the idea christians are responsible for deaths of those who do not practice basic parts of the faith. Love the deflection one group does to try and paint the good side of christianity bad ignoring it's done by people who no intention of serving the actual christian god.
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Re: Questions about Jesus and Lucifer. One in the same?
all the angels of God were refered to as
MORNING STARS



<< Job 38 >>
King James Version
1Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,

2Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?

3Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.

4Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

5Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

6Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

7When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
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JESUS IS THE LORD OUR SAVIOUR

THAt is what the name Jesus means.

Lucifer means shine-ing

Jesus is king of all the angels (messengers)or MORNING STARS
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Totally different one is Creator the other created.
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Was Jesus the real Wolf in Sheeps clothing that came down to decieve mankind with his miracles and mislead mankind??? Why else would so many deaths be attriubutes to Christianity and the Word of God??? Why else would he be called the morning star and say he is equal to god??? If you think about it, if it's true, it really would be the biggest deception of mankind and the biggest hand of the devil. Just food for thought.
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I could answer but once again WHAT IS THE POINT?I show them of the world the true meaning of certain terms and they respond by calling me satan because I have challenged their false teaching and lies.
No Jesus isnt satan.but the term lucifer is INCORRECTLY used to describe satan.The word was no doubt inserted into the translation to convince people that Jesus was satan.The term lucifer PROPERLY means LIGHT BEARER and SHOULD be used to describe Jesus who bears the light.
Over the years because it was used in the passage to describe satan it has become as an interchangeabble word with satan so that to speak of satan they now say lucifer.But this is incorrect.
If you call satan LUCIFER then you refer to satan as LIGHTBRINGER and NOT as darkness.
The correct translation in isaiah is BOASTFUL BLACK HOWLING BEAST.satan is not the MORNING STAR of the BRINGER OF LIGHT.JESUS IS.
People should stop using the term lucifer.
However the people are so indoctrinated they will now resort to calling me satan because I dared challenge them and show them the truth.
The Bible in english has many mistranslations.
But say this and they attack because they already know it all and cannot learn.
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Was Jesus the real Wolf in Sheeps clothing that came down to decieve mankind with his miracles and mislead mankind??? Why else would so many deaths be attriubutes to Christianity and the Word of God??? Why else would he be called the morning star and say he is equal to god??? If you think about it, if it's true, it really would be the biggest deception of mankind and the biggest hand of the devil. Just food for thought.
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I think the "jesus" story that Christians have turned into a religion is the story of a nephilim son of a fallen angel. However, I also think that the story is also about a fallen angel, Satan. The father and the son are one...
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Lucifer as satan is a lie ..the bible never says it' satan

lucifer is VENUS the bright and morning star = Jesus home

[link to www.thefreedictionary.com]



Venus backwards is SUNEV = suneve = sun eve

the mother of all living ! the house


the 3 stooges went to Venus or suneve

HOLLYWOOD TELLING YOU
[link to www.youtube.com]
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nonsense.
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Was Jesus the real Wolf in Sheeps clothing that came down to decieve mankind with his miracles and mislead mankind??? Why else would so many deaths be attriubutes to Christianity and the Word of God??? Why else would he be called the morning star and say he is equal to god??? If you think about it, if it's true, it really would be the biggest deception of mankind and the biggest hand of the devil. Just food for thought.
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I think the "jesus" story that Christians have turned into a religion is the story of a nephilim son of a fallen angel. However, I also think that the story is also about a fallen angel, Satan. The father and the son are one...
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more nonsense
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Totally different one is Creator the other created.

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This was interesting. Thanks.
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Was Jesus the real Wolf in Sheeps clothing that came down to decieve mankind with his miracles and mislead mankind??? Why else would so many deaths be attriubutes to Christianity and the Word of God??? Why else would he be called the morning star and say he is equal to god??? If you think about it, if it's true, it really would be the biggest deception of mankind and the biggest hand of the devil. Just food for thought.
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I think the "jesus" story that Christians have turned into a religion is the story of a nephilim son of a fallen angel. However, I also think that the story is also about a fallen angel, Satan. The father and the son are one...
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more nonsense
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I was reading something similiar. Fancy you would say this.
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Lucifer as satan is a lie ..the bible never says it' satan

lucifer is VENUS the bright and morning star = Jesus home

[link to www.thefreedictionary.com]



Venus backwards is SUNEV = suneve = sun eve

the mother of all living ! the house


the 3 stooges went to Venus or suneve

HOLLYWOOD TELLING YOU
[link to www.youtube.com]
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nonsense.
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I read quite a bit about this. you might find this interesting. [link to www.topix.com]
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WHO IS JESUS
To All,The one known as Jesus was and is the person manifest in the density of matter of our local universe paradise Creator Son "MICHAEL of NEBADON" in His seventh and final bestowal experiencing His created sons existences.1. Michael of Nebadon

(366.2) 33:1.1 Our Creator Son is the personification of the 611,121st original concept of infinite identity of simultaneous origin in the Universal Father and the Eternal Son. The Michael of Nebadon is the “only-begotten Son” personalizing this 611,121st universal concept of divinity and infinity. His headquarters is in the threefold mansion of light on Salvington. And this dwelling is so ordered because Michael has experienced the living of all three phases of intelligent creature existence: spiritual, morontial, and material. Because of the name associated with his seventh and final bestowal on Urantia, he is sometimes spoken of as Christ Michael.

(366.3) 33:1.2 Our Creator Son is not the Eternal Son, the existential Paradise associate of the Universal Father and the Infinite Spirit. Michael of Nebadon is not a member of the Paradise Trinity. Nevertheless our Master Son possesses in his realm all of the divine attributes and powers that the Eternal Son himself would manifest were he actually to be present on Salvington and functioning in Nebadon. Michael possesses even additional power and authority, for he not only personifies the Eternal Son but also fully represents and actually embodies the personality presence of the Universal Father to and in this local universe. He even represents the Father-Son. These relationships constitute a Creator Son the most powerful, versatile, and influential of all divine beings who are capable of direct administration of evolutionary universes and of personality contact with immature creature beings.

(366.4) 33:1.3 Our Creator Son exerts the same spiritual drawing power, spirit gravity, from the headquarters of the local universe that the Eternal Son of Paradise would exert if he were personally present on Salvington, and more; this Universe Son is also the personification of the Universal Father to the universe of Nebadon. Creator Sons are personality centers for the spiritual forces of the Paradise Father-Son. Creator Sons are the final power-personality focalizations of the mighty time-space attributes of God the Sevenfold.

(367.1) 33:1.4 The Creator Son is the vicegerent personalization of the Universal Father, the divinity co-ordinate of the Eternal Son, and the creative associate of the Infinite Spirit. To our universe and all its inhabited worlds the Sovereign Son is, to all practical intents and purposes, God. He personifies all of the Paradise Deities which evolving mortals can discerningly comprehend. This Son and his Spirit associate are your creator parents. To you, Michael, the Creator Son, is the supreme personality; to you, the Eternal Son is supersupreme — an infinite Deity personality.(367.2) 33:1.5 In the person of the Creator Son we have a ruler and divine parent who is just as mighty, efficient, and beneficent as would be the Universal Father and the Eternal Son if both were present on Salvington and engaged in the administration of the affairs of the universe of Nebadon.
The true evidences of the resurrection of Michael are spiritual in nature, albeit this teaching is corroborated by the testimony of many mortals of the realm who met, recognized, and communed with the resurrected morontia Master. He became a part of the personal experience of almost one thousand human beings before he finally took leave of Urantia.
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even a 5 year old kid with half a brain knows jebus and lucy are nothing like one another.. nor should they be put on the same level of comparison.. stupid satanic fucks.. the truth gets shoved down your throats when you ask for it yet you continue on with your lies only because it suits your agenda.. stupid stupid ignorant fool..
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Are Lucifer and Satan, the same being
To All, Lucifer a bright and powerful Lanonadek Son (a spirit son of Michael of Nebadon)was the Sovereign of the System of Satania(one of the one thousand systems in Nebadon)who fell into ERROR,then the sin of PRIDE(self love and elevation of self over the WILL OF THE FATHER)and finally into iniquity when he started the Spiritual War in heaven two hundred thousand years ago!Lucifer sent his second in command Daligastia who was also a bright son of the Lanonadek Order out to all the Planetary Princes in the System of Satania to enlist them in his sedition and rebellion against the Heavenly Father and His Son Michael of Nebadon(a Paradise Creator Son,born of AT ONE MENT of Will of the First and Second Source and Center, THE FATHER and THE SON).Daligastia came down to our planet URANTIA, #606 of Satania and met with our Planetary Prince,whose name was Caligastia and enlisted him in the USURPATION! Upon this action the planet was put into immediate Spiritual Quarantine.Daligastia and Caligastia two individual Spirit persons are incorrectly thought to be the one known as SATAN.Satan was Daligastia's assistant. Satan means Adversary. The Lucifer rebellion started more than two hundred thousand years ago and ended in 1984 with the Adjudication of the ones of the principalities of darkness,who chose not to accept The Fathers Forgiveness and chose uncreation instead.All the higher realms have had justice applied,only the realm of the density of matter and the ones born on birth spheres have yet to finish their choosing.To Be or not to Be,To Be in the presence of The Father and His and our Family or not.The Evil ones chose not to Be,do not follow them choose to Be. [link to www.urantia.org] the white rose
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Lol :D
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That's adorable that you have pets names for each other

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Jesus = compassion and forgiveness

Satan = punishment and selfishness
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How the fuck are 2 billion christians, 2 billion muslims plus others around the globe gona think and be decieved that the antichrist is christ when they can literally repeat how the book goes like eli from the book of eli? I mean thats a lot of people reading the books all their life knowing what it says, and that they believe in the antichrist coming before christ. How could they all possibly get it wrong even after reading for their whole life?
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How the fuck are 2 billion christians, 2 billion muslims plus others around the globe gona think and be decieved that the antichrist is christ when they can literally repeat how the book goes like eli from the book of eli? I mean thats a lot of people reading the books all their life knowing what it says, and that they believe in the antichrist coming before christ. How could they all possibly get it wrong even after reading for their whole life?
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cheers
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How the fuck are 2 billion christians, 2 billion muslims plus others around the globe gona think and be decieved that the antichrist is christ when they can literally repeat how the book goes like eli from the book of eli? I mean thats a lot of people reading the books all their life knowing what it says, and that they believe in the antichrist coming before christ. How could they all possibly get it wrong even after reading for their whole life?
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I mean if a leader came on the scene. He was adored and shit. I could open my book, so could billions of others and it will say the antichrist comes first?
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How the fuck are 2 billion christians, 2 billion muslims plus others around the globe gona think and be decieved that the antichrist is christ when they can literally repeat how the book goes like eli from the book of eli? I mean thats a lot of people reading the books all their life knowing what it says, and that they believe in the antichrist coming before christ. How could they all possibly get it wrong even after reading for their whole life?
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cheers
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Cheers
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How the fuck are 2 billion christians, 2 billion muslims plus others around the globe gona think and be decieved that the antichrist is christ when they can literally repeat how the book goes like eli from the book of eli? I mean thats a lot of people reading the books all their life knowing what it says, and that they believe in the antichrist coming before christ. How could they all possibly get it wrong even after reading for their whole life?
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I mean if a leader came on the scene. He was adored and shit. I could open my book, so could billions of others and it will say the antichrist comes first?
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The problem is that this view of theirs is completely subjective (as well as shallow) and overlooks the symbolism established throughout the bible. The Left Behind/Anti-Christ story is pre-packaged crap that TPTB have been feeding them for decades, and when things play out differently than expected they're going to be baffled and disillusioned.

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