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The real risk with nuclear power

 
vader999
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The real risk with nuclear power
The thing about nuclear power is, you don't get to make a mistake.

But, these plants are run by bureaucracies. Anyone with real talent does not want to work for a bureaucracy. To move up, you need to be a non-threatening (IE - no talent) kiss-ass only worried about his own career.

People with that resume cannot manage risk nor can they act boldly when needed. For example, TEPCO was warned for years that the sea wall was too low. Nothing was done.

Why? Because some bureaucrat somewhere did not want to exceed his budget, nor did he want to tell his boss he needed money to build the sea wall. Safest thing for him was to tell the boss what he wanted to hear, and put the risk of disaster on everyone else.

Nuke power - might be safe. Bureaucracies? They are awful when they run the post office. They bring depressions when they run banks (US debt crisis). They cause oil spills when they run deep water drilling (BP). They kill people when they run auto builders. (remember Toyota and the brakes?)

When they run nuclear plants? They bring worldwide doom. Another Chernobyl or Fukushima or TMI is inevitable, not from the tech, but from the people.
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This sounds like a job for Super Man! That's who we will call upon to fix all the worlds problems. A race of super men.
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I tend to want to cheer you on OP, but c'mon. BP ring a bell?
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Nuclear power is not really safe at all. It's not supposed to be.

A lot of the plants are built on fault lines. And that's for a reason.
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I tend to want to cheer you on OP, but c'mon. BP ring a bell?
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I agree that BP made egregious errors and this is why I mentioned them in the original; thus the meaning of your response is unclear to me. could you elaborate?

thanks!
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A solar flare on the scale of the one that killed telegraph lines in the 1800s happens today. Doom.
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Nuke waste is a problem that will be left for hundreds of years just so we can have creature comforts today.
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People should mandate the immediate end of nuclear power and imprison anyone that even suggests otherwise. And do it with overwhelming force regardless of the consequences.

But they will all just sit in front of their tv's and wait for someone else to do it. That's why it will be a good day for justice when the meltdowns occur and everybody's hair starts to fall out. The huge boils on the skin with nowhere on earth to hide. The slow and painful death of the fat and lazy collective coward is so well deserved.
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Re: The real risk with nuclear power
People should mandate the immediate end of nuclear power and imprison anyone that even suggests otherwise. And do it with overwhelming force regardless of the consequences.

But they will all just sit in front of their tv's and wait for someone else to do it. That's why it will be a good day for justice when the meltdowns occur and everybody's hair starts to fall out. The huge boils on the skin with nowhere on earth to hide. The slow and painful death of the fat and lazy collective coward is so well deserved.
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what else to say? we reap what we sow
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Re: The real risk with nuclear power
The thing about nuclear power is, you don't get to make a mistake.

But, these plants are run by bureaucracies. Anyone with real talent does not want to work for a bureaucracy. To move up, you need to be a non-threatening (IE - no talent) kiss-ass only worried about his own career.

People with that resume cannot manage risk nor can they act boldly when needed. For example, TEPCO was warned for years that the sea wall was too low. Nothing was done.

Why? Because some bureaucrat somewhere did not want to exceed his budget, nor did he want to tell his boss he needed money to build the sea wall. Safest thing for him was to tell the boss what he wanted to hear, and put the risk of disaster on everyone else.

Nuke power - might be safe. Bureaucracies? They are awful when they run the post office. They bring depressions when they run banks (US debt crisis). They cause oil spills when they run deep water drilling (BP). They kill people when they run auto builders. (remember Toyota and the brakes?)

When they run nuclear plants? They bring worldwide doom. Another Chernobyl or Fukushima or TMI is inevitable, not from the tech, but from the people.
 Quoting: vader999

The bean counters have pushed the engineers aside. Otherwise, you wouldn't have a 40 year old GE Mark I BWR reactor being uprated and licensed for another 20 years.

Engineers know that you can't run something like a nuclear plant until it is so worn out that it fails catastrophically like you might do with an automobile engine. The bean counters say why not? and don't bother listening to the answer.

Unfotunately, since nuclear accidents don't tend to create instant piles of dead bodies, and the many deaths that come years later are obscured in a statistical fog, catastrophic accidents become all that more acceptable to the bottom line.
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People should mandate the immediate end of nuclear power and imprison anyone that even suggests otherwise. And do it with overwhelming force regardless of the consequences.

But they will all just sit in front of their tv's and wait for someone else to do it. That's why it will be a good day for justice when the meltdowns occur and everybody's hair starts to fall out. The huge boils on the skin with nowhere on earth to hide. The slow and painful death of the fat and lazy collective coward is so well deserved.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5187098


Yep. They don't feel the need to fight as the talking heads act like they're fighting it out for them. This is the paralyzing effect the talking heads are looking for.

"Surely since they are talking and arguing about it, I don't need to do anything. It's already a big issue!!"

And that's how it all works.

Red pill anyone?

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Re: The real risk with nuclear power
The thing about nuclear power is, you don't get to make a mistake.

But, these plants are run by bureaucracies. Anyone with real talent does not want to work for a bureaucracy. To move up, you need to be a non-threatening (IE - no talent) kiss-ass only worried about his own career.

People with that resume cannot manage risk nor can they act boldly when needed. For example, TEPCO was warned for years that the sea wall was too low. Nothing was done.

Why? Because some bureaucrat somewhere did not want to exceed his budget, nor did he want to tell his boss he needed money to build the sea wall. Safest thing for him was to tell the boss what he wanted to hear, and put the risk of disaster on everyone else.

Nuke power - might be safe. Bureaucracies? They are awful when they run the post office. They bring depressions when they run banks (US debt crisis). They cause oil spills when they run deep water drilling (BP). They kill people when they run auto builders. (remember Toyota and the brakes?)

When they run nuclear plants? They bring worldwide doom. Another Chernobyl or Fukushima or TMI is inevitable, not from the tech, but from the people.
 Quoting: vader999


Add mother nature as risk #1 and we are set. One real major earthquake and this is it. Not to mention galactic events.
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Re: The real risk with nuclear power
There must be good reasons why the Germans are getting rid of it.

The real risk is the Governing parties and/or corporations will loose the benefit of a cheap (and dangerous) source of power.

We really should learn to be more energy-self-sufficient, as individuals. The assumption the government will take necessary actions to change course is pure fantasy.
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Thats exactly right. If it can't be certainly contained if something goes wrong, we don't have any business messing with it.



The thing about nuclear power is, you don't get to make a mistake.

But, these plants are run by bureaucracies. Anyone with real talent does not want to work for a bureaucracy. To move up, you need to be a non-threatening (IE - no talent) kiss-ass only worried about his own career.

People with that resume cannot manage risk nor can they act boldly when needed. For example, TEPCO was warned for years that the sea wall was too low. Nothing was done.

Why? Because some bureaucrat somewhere did not want to exceed his budget, nor did he want to tell his boss he needed money to build the sea wall. Safest thing for him was to tell the boss what he wanted to hear, and put the risk of disaster on everyone else.

Nuke power - might be safe. Bureaucracies? They are awful when they run the post office. They bring depressions when they run banks (US debt crisis). They cause oil spills when they run deep water drilling (BP). They kill people when they run auto builders. (remember Toyota and the brakes?)

When they run nuclear plants? They bring worldwide doom. Another Chernobyl or Fukushima or TMI is inevitable, not from the tech, but from the people.
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I tend to want to cheer you on OP, but c'mon. BP ring a bell?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13129595



Not saying BP (and oil) isn't a problem, but sorry, long-term effects of nuclear accidents will way outlast (by thousands+++ of years) than the effects of oil accidents.

BP as a consistently long-term accident prone co, needs to be eliminated along with Monsanto. But that is another topic...
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I agree 100%

Humans will always make mistakes. Usually we can get away with it. With nuclear, we can't. It's a trainwreck waiting to happen. That's why Einstein spent the remainder of his life trying to "put the genie back in the bottle." He felt guilty for what he did to us. He believed he had doomed us. I hope he is wrong.
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I go out to local protests, but you know what, there's not a lot of people there. The more people there are there the more they'll listen to us.

As long as it only looks like "a few wackos" they can ignore us.

Please actually show up to the protests. Or sign the petitions. Or do something, anything, to let people and/or companies and/or politicians know that nuclear power is not acceptable to you.

They're going to keep feeding us this swill until they know we won't eat it.
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04/16/2012 02:31 AM
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EVERYONE LISTEN TO THIS GUY



HE HAS AN OPINION

THEREFORE HE IS RIGHT

AND SHOULD SAY SOMETHING
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Love your point of view.

cheers
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And the call went out Time for Thorium Reactors!!!!!!
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The result is in the word nuclear = new clear.
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They say this world would end in fire.

The japenese plant is burning.Nuclear reactions produce heat as the elenents are produces running down the periodic table.You could say that is fire.

Also the Hopi say the West hold the element fire,different element type ,dear old Babel,so destroyed by fire could mean the West. Also many of our scientific creations use the spark.

Sorry I have diverted.
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Re: The real risk with nuclear power
People should mandate the immediate end of nuclear power and imprison anyone that even suggests otherwise. And do it with overwhelming force regardless of the consequences.

But they will all just sit in front of their tv's and wait for someone else to do it. That's why it will be a good day for justice when the meltdowns occur and everybody's hair starts to fall out. The huge boils on the skin with nowhere on earth to hide. The slow and painful death of the fat and lazy collective coward is so well deserved.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5187098




"And the first went, and poured out his vial on the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore on the men which had the mark of the beast, and on them which worshipped his image." Revelation 16:2
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Re: The real risk with nuclear power
People should mandate the immediate end of nuclear power and imprison anyone that even suggests otherwise. And do it with overwhelming force regardless of the consequences.

But they will all just sit in front of their tv's and wait for someone else to do it. That's why it will be a good day for justice when the meltdowns occur and everybody's hair starts to fall out. The huge boils on the skin with nowhere on earth to hide. The slow and painful death of the fat and lazy collective coward is so well deserved.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5187098



Meant to highlight this ^^^


"And the first went, and poured out his vial on the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore on the men which had the mark of the beast, and on them which worshipped his image." Revelation 16:2
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Re: The real risk with nuclear power
Closing down a nuclear plant is only moving the problem to another location.

The problem here is money and greed. People will do anything for (more) money.
We made a huge mistake which we cannot correct. We overplayed our arrogance.

Saying that fukushima is not getting worse is living in denial.

Fukushima is like flying a plane on automatic pilot without being able to get into the cockpit.

Sure you are fine till the fuel runs out, then you are fucked.
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EVERYONE LISTEN TO THIS GUY



HE HAS AN OPINION

THEREFORE HE IS RIGHT

AND SHOULD SAY SOMETHING
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This sounds like a job for Super Man! That's who we will call upon to fix all the worlds problems. A race of super men.
 Quoting: T-HAM 1415173


No, sounds like a job for the Antichrist. Who will probably be an alien that comes to save us from all our disasters. Clean the environment, stop climate change, stop wars and so on.
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The result is in the word nuclear = new clear.
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Actually it's NEW GLEE EAR


Very significant sign that we must listen
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In all seriousness though, this is the problem

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Nuclear power is not really safe at all. It's not supposed to be.

A lot of the plants are built on fault lines. And that's for a reason.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1421478


And what is the reasoning behind this? Please clue me in on this as building a hazardous reactor on a fault line makes no sense.
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