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JESUS is the SON of GOD.....NOT just a prophet or a great teacher.....

 
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I have a thought that Jesus was biologically speaking the son on the creator & that Mary was artificially inseminated with Jesus who was an alien hy-bred. I think the creator/God had to send someone to Earth to direct us or guide us & also someone who would be physically accepted as human or human in form. I mean with mindset of the religious nuts back in those days how long would Jesus has been alive if he arrived to us with 3 fingers on each hand and features like a grey alien? The miracles reportedly performed by Jesus I think were just advanced sciences that we are only now understanding how they were done.

Jesus stated he was not of this world, I believe that he also has a home-world/planet that is millions or billions of years more advanced. He did ascend and descend in beams of light like so many ppl who have been abducted by greys have recalled. The bible story of Jacobs ladder tells of how Jacob actually saw a real ladder with him with little understanding called "angels" climbing up and down on into a floating cloud, sound like aliens going up into a ship to me. Then we have Ezekiel who described in detail seeing UFO's and floating platforms with bright lights and fire.

So to someone who is technically behind like the ppl in the biblical tales trying to describe ppl coming down looking like they are flying or making things levitate would appear that only a divine person could do, today we know science can do all of those things.

A race billions of years more advanced than us has visited us and started life here on this planet. The Vatican has known this and spent millions on telescopes to see it's return. I hope that when Jesus returns we won't be shocked if he doesn't look like all the paintings we projected him to be.. The world needs to open it's mind and not take the bible literally.
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cry out to JESUS and ask for HIS mercy and to be born of HIS SPIRIT....then you will KNOW THE TRUTH.... and the Scriptures will become unlocked for you.
 Quoting: AmazingGRACE


I did cry out to Jesus and he told me the truth. He said he was an alien here to teach us of the universe but we killed him and he's not coming back. This is the truth as told to me by Jesus. Amen
 Quoting: HangDawg


I tend to agree with you, not so much to OP
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Religion is just us trying to appease GOD because we killed his ambassador to earth. Face it, we fucked up. Now we will have to learn the secrets of the universe ourselves.
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History confirms the biblical account, whether everyone agrees on the details of what is written or not.
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I don't watch teevee. History confirms nothing.
 Quoting: HangDawg


There is no alien. That is some teevee movie.

Jesus is recorded historic fact.

Jerusalem

Babylon

Egypt

Rome

All that history and much more confirms the biblical account.
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Nope. Jesus is a son of God. Just like we can become sons and daughters of God. No different. Your bibles have been doctored and rewritten by the religious powers that be.

Why would Jesus say :



17 Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

John 20: 10-18 NIV


Let's take the words of Jesus Himself. John 14:12


12Verily, verily I say unto you, he that believeth in Me, the works that I do he shall do also; and greater works than these shall he do, because I go unto My Father.

This very clearly states that those of us that believe in Jesus, will be able to do the works/miracles that He did and greater. There is no way to disagree with these words of Jesus. This being the case, there is no way Jesus could have been the only Son of God, or part of the Trinity.

As Jesus himself said, we would be able to do greater works then he did. That cannot be possible if Jesus is God, as that means we would be able to do greater works then God.

The only conclusion any rational human being can make is:
1)Jesus is not God
2)Jesus actually never said these words, but maybe somebody added them to the bible
3) the translation got screwed up

My own research proved that neither 2 or 3 is a possibility, as cross referencing all other bible passages confirms that Jesus actually did say these words.

My personal belief is that Jesus came down to earth to show us how to achieve Christhood or the Christ consciousness.

People are more than happy to accept the idea that Jesus Christ was the only son of God. Why is this so? Because this gives them the ultimate excuse for continuing their lifestyle. If Jesus was the only son of God, then they could not possibly follow in his footsteps. Therefore, they could do nothing to work out their own salvation. They simply had to wait for the outer savior, Jesus, to come and save them.

If Jesus was an example to follow, then people might have a responsibility to follow Him. In other words, if they had the potential to become Christed beings, and if doing so would require them to make an effort, they would have to change their ways.

Do you see how the idea that Jesus was the only son of God can become the ultimate excuse which gives people the perfect justification for continuing in their ways?

I pray that all Christians come to an understanding of the true purpose of Jesus' teachings: to tell us and show us how to achieve a state of Christhood in this current life stream. Namaste!"

THIS!!!
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Everybody I know is the son of God.

OP is the son of God as well, though he will likely not admit it.
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The obedient-to-God (and Christ) children are the unrevealed, or as yet unglorified, sons of God. (Quotes are from NIV, unless otherwise stated):
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"Yet all who received Him [Jesus], to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become the children [sons, KJV] of God." We "become" by doing what He says. --John 1:12

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but ONLY he who DOES the will of my Father who is in heaven."--Matt. 7:21

"For whoever does the will of [obeys] my Father in heaven is my brother and sister [fellow children or sons of God] and mother." -- Matt. 12:50

"Dear friends, NOW we are children of God...Anyone who does not DO what is right [according to God] is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother." (excerpts from 1 John 3)

"...those who are led by the Spirit of God are God's children [are already the unglorified sons of God, KJV]." --Rom. 8:14

"I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed IN US [us who do God's will now]. The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed [glorified]." --Rom. 8:18-19

Those who do NOT obey God/Christ are the disobedient children or sons of the dark evil one, aka Satan. If one looks at our nation's actions, every one of the 10 Commandments has been shattered to advance this so-called righteous nation's interests. Is it any surprise they would ultimately move to remove God, Jesus and the 10 commandments from their place in our nation's institutions. Considering they have not been the Rock on which our self-advancing imperialistic and money-loving decisions and doings have been undertaken since, since, since...when?
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I have a thought that Jesus was biologically speaking the son on the creator & that Mary was artificially inseminated with Jesus who was an alien hy-bred. I think the creator/God had to send someone to Earth to direct us or guide us & also someone who would be physically accepted as human or human in form. I mean with mindset of the religious nuts back in those days how long would Jesus has been alive if he arrived to us with 3 fingers on each hand and features like a grey alien? The miracles reportedly performed by Jesus I think were just advanced sciences that we are only now understanding how they were done.

Jesus stated he was not of this world, I believe that he also has a home-world/planet that is millions or billions of years more advanced. He did ascend and descend in beams of light like so many ppl who have been abducted by greys have recalled. The bible story of Jacobs ladder tells of how Jacob actually saw a real ladder with him with little understanding called "angels" climbing up and down on into a floating cloud, sound like aliens going up into a ship to me. Then we have Ezekiel who described in detail seeing UFO's and floating platforms with bright lights and fire.

So to someone who is technically behind like the ppl in the biblical tales trying to describe ppl coming down looking like they are flying or making things levitate would appear that only a divine person could do, today we know science can do all of those things.

A race billions of years more advanced than us has visited us and started life here on this planet. The Vatican has known this and spent millions on telescopes to see it's return. I hope that when Jesus returns we won't be shocked if he doesn't look like all the paintings we projected him to be.. The world needs to open it's mind and not take the bible literally.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 894510


cry out to JESUS and ask for HIS mercy and to be born of HIS SPIRIT....then you will KNOW THE TRUTH.... and the Scriptures will become unlocked for you.
 Quoting: AmazingGRACE


I have unlocked the bible to my understanding. Can you be specific as to why my interpretation is incorrect or why your interpretation is correct?..
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is it your interpretation of the HOLY SPIRITS?
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there ain't no fricking God.
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HE will be coming back in great glory and every eye will see....


"For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. "

Matthew 24:27




Then they all said, "Are You then the Son of God?" So He said to them, "You rightly say that I am."

Luke 22:70




"Whenever the evil spirits saw him, they fell down before him and cried out, "You are the Son of God."

Mark 3:11




"When Jesus heard [that], He said, "This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God may be glorified through it."

John 11:4




"Simon Peter answered and said, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."

Jesus answered and said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed [this] to you, but My Father who is in heaven"

Mat. 16:16-17



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 Quoting: AmazingGRACE


Nope. Jesus is a son of God. Just like we can become sons and daughters of God. No different. Your bibles have been doctored and rewritten by the religious powers that be.

Why would Jesus say :



17 Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

John 20: 10-18 NIV


Let's take the words of Jesus Himself. John 14:12


12Verily, verily I say unto you, he that believeth in Me, the works that I do he shall do also; and greater works than these shall he do, because I go unto My Father.

This very clearly states that those of us that believe in Jesus, will be able to do the works/miracles that He did and greater. There is no way to disagree with these words of Jesus. This being the case, there is no way Jesus could have been the only Son of God, or part of the Trinity.

As Jesus himself said, we would be able to do greater works then he did. That cannot be possible if Jesus is God, as that means we would be able to do greater works then God.

The only conclusion any rational human being can make is:
1)Jesus is not God
2)Jesus actually never said these words, but maybe somebody added them to the bible
3) the translation got screwed up

My own research proved that neither 2 or 3 is a possibility, as cross referencing all other bible passages confirms that Jesus actually did say these words.

My personal belief is that Jesus came down to earth to show us how to achieve Christhood or the Christ consciousness.

People are more than happy to accept the idea that Jesus Christ was the only son of God. Why is this so? Because this gives them the ultimate excuse for continuing their lifestyle. If Jesus was the only son of God, then they could not possibly follow in his footsteps. Therefore, they could do nothing to work out their own salvation. They simply had to wait for the outer savior, Jesus, to come and save them.

If Jesus was an example to follow, then people might have a responsibility to follow Him. In other words, if they had the potential to become Christed beings, and if doing so would require them to make an effort, they would have to change their ways.

Do you see how the idea that Jesus was the only son of God can become the ultimate excuse which gives people the perfect justification for continuing in their ways?

I pray that all Christians come to an understanding of the true purpose of Jesus' teachings: to tell us and show us how to achieve a state of Christhood in this current life stream. Namaste!
 Quoting: ATONTRUTH


Interesting idea, and I appreciate all the research you have done too.

About this verse:

12Verily, verily I say unto you, he that believeth in Me, the works that I do he shall do also; and greater works than these shall he do, because I go unto My Father.

I have always thought that this verse pertained to miracles we may be able to do in the afterlife.

Any thoughts on that?
 Quoting: nightowl


I tend to agree, I'm thinking that it meant at a time when we could return to the golden age, when the conscience mind of the planet reaches a certain level of understanding & science we could have the power or mind to believe we could do anything & nothing will be impossible, moving 200 ton stone blocks, flying without a plane. All the miracles Jesus performed can be done with advanced sciences & we are moving faster towards the truth. This life is a holographic dream & when we realize it is a dream nothing is impossible since in dreams we can do anything..
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 Quoting: Pastor JD 4/15/2012 MUST SE 14519997


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The 'accuser' is satan/lucifer & is the one that wants you to burn.

Rev 12

7And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

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cry out to JESUS and ask for HIS mercy and to be born of HIS SPIRIT....then you will KNOW THE TRUTH.... and the Scriptures will become unlocked for you.
 Quoting: AmazingGRACE


I did cry out to Jesus and he told me the truth. He said he was an alien here to teach us of the universe but we killed him and he's not coming back. This is the truth as told to me by Jesus. Amen
 Quoting: HangDawg


I tend to agree with you, not so much to OP
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 894510


Religion is just us trying to appease GOD because we killed his ambassador to earth. Face it, we fucked up. Now we will have to learn the secrets of the universe ourselves.
 Quoting: HangDawg


JESUS is an alien? You are believing in demonic teaching ....there are demons that are leading people right down to path to destruction....

be careful what you say you believe in....

you KNOW NOT the spiritual world....

there are demons and evil spirits that are working fulltime to deceive people and turn them away from the REAL JESUS....
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I have a thought that Jesus was biologically speaking the son on the creator & that Mary was artificially inseminated with Jesus who was an alien hy-bred. I think the creator/God had to send someone to Earth to direct us or guide us & also someone who would be physically accepted as human or human in form. I mean with mindset of the religious nuts back in those days how long would Jesus has been alive if he arrived to us with 3 fingers on each hand and features like a grey alien? The miracles reportedly performed by Jesus I think were just advanced sciences that we are only now understanding how they were done.

Jesus stated he was not of this world, I believe that he also has a home-world/planet that is millions or billions of years more advanced. He did ascend and descend in beams of light like so many ppl who have been abducted by greys have recalled. The bible story of Jacobs ladder tells of how Jacob actually saw a real ladder with him with little understanding called "angels" climbing up and down on into a floating cloud, sound like aliens going up into a ship to me. Then we have Ezekiel who described in detail seeing UFO's and floating platforms with bright lights and fire.

So to someone who is technically behind like the ppl in the biblical tales trying to describe ppl coming down looking like they are flying or making things levitate would appear that only a divine person could do, today we know science can do all of those things.

A race billions of years more advanced than us has visited us and started life here on this planet. The Vatican has known this and spent millions on telescopes to see it's return. I hope that when Jesus returns we won't be shocked if he doesn't look like all the paintings we projected him to be.. The world needs to open it's mind and not take the bible literally.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 894510


cry out to JESUS and ask for HIS mercy and to be born of HIS SPIRIT....then you will KNOW THE TRUTH.... and the Scriptures will become unlocked for you.
 Quoting: AmazingGRACE


I have unlocked the bible to my understanding. Can you be specific as to why my interpretation is incorrect or why your interpretation is correct?..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 894510


is it your interpretation of the HOLY SPIRITS?
 Quoting: AmazingGRACE


I have asked you a simple question why you feel my interpretation is wrong or yours in right? What is your interpretation of "HOLY SPIRITS"?
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there ain't no fricking God.
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oh yes there fricking is. one day you will find out. better to find out now and not later....
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I have a thought that Jesus was biologically speaking the son on the creator & that Mary was artificially inseminated with Jesus who was an alien hy-bred. I think the creator/God had to send someone to Earth to direct us or guide us & also someone who would be physically accepted as human or human in form. I mean with mindset of the religious nuts back in those days how long would Jesus has been alive if he arrived to us with 3 fingers on each hand and features like a grey alien? The miracles reportedly performed by Jesus I think were just advanced sciences that we are only now understanding how they were done.

Jesus stated he was not of this world, I believe that he also has a home-world/planet that is millions or billions of years more advanced. He did ascend and descend in beams of light like so many ppl who have been abducted by greys have recalled. The bible story of Jacobs ladder tells of how Jacob actually saw a real ladder with him with little understanding called "angels" climbing up and down on into a floating cloud, sound like aliens going up into a ship to me. Then we have Ezekiel who described in detail seeing UFO's and floating platforms with bright lights and fire.

So to someone who is technically behind like the ppl in the biblical tales trying to describe ppl coming down looking like they are flying or making things levitate would appear that only a divine person could do, today we know science can do all of those things.

A race billions of years more advanced than us has visited us and started life here on this planet. The Vatican has known this and spent millions on telescopes to see it's return. I hope that when Jesus returns we won't be shocked if he doesn't look like all the paintings we projected him to be.. The world needs to open it's mind and not take the bible literally.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 894510


cry out to JESUS and ask for HIS mercy and to be born of HIS SPIRIT....then you will KNOW THE TRUTH.... and the Scriptures will become unlocked for you.
 Quoting: AmazingGRACE


I have unlocked the bible to my understanding. Can you be specific as to why my interpretation is incorrect or why your interpretation is correct?..
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is it your interpretation of the HOLY SPIRITS?
 Quoting: AmazingGRACE


I spoke to Jesus, he said he did indeed walk the earth but we killed him. Now he and god just don't give a shit and MAYBE they will try again in 10,000 years. They tried once and humans fucked it up.
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cry out to JESUS and ask for HIS mercy and to be born of HIS SPIRIT....then you will KNOW THE TRUTH.... and the Scriptures will become unlocked for you.
 Quoting: AmazingGRACE


I have unlocked the bible to my understanding. Can you be specific as to why my interpretation is incorrect or why your interpretation is correct?..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 894510


is it your interpretation of the HOLY SPIRITS?
 Quoting: AmazingGRACE


I have asked you a simple question why you feel my interpretation is wrong or yours in right? What is your interpretation of "HOLY SPIRITS"?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 894510


you have to be walking in the SPIRIT to know the LORD and unlock the mysteries of the Scripturese. It is not about your interpretation. It is about the SPIRIT leading. Something our flesh does not understand and never will.

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cry out to JESUS and ask for HIS mercy and to be born of HIS SPIRIT....then you will KNOW THE TRUTH.... and the Scriptures will become unlocked for you.
 Quoting: AmazingGRACE


I have unlocked the bible to my understanding. Can you be specific as to why my interpretation is incorrect or why your interpretation is correct?..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 894510


is it your interpretation of the HOLY SPIRITS?
 Quoting: AmazingGRACE


I spoke to Jesus, he said he did indeed walk the earth but we killed him. Now he and god just don't give a shit and MAYBE they will try again in 10,000 years. They tried once and humans fucked it up.
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I did cry out to Jesus and he told me the truth. He said he was an alien here to teach us of the universe but we killed him and he's not coming back. This is the truth as told to me by Jesus. Amen
 Quoting: HangDawg


I tend to agree with you, not so much to OP
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Religion is just us trying to appease GOD because we killed his ambassador to earth. Face it, we fucked up. Now we will have to learn the secrets of the universe ourselves.
 Quoting: HangDawg


JESUS is an alien? You are believing in demonic teaching ....there are demons that are leading people right down to path to destruction....

be careful what you say you believe in....

you KNOW NOT the spiritual world....

there are demons and evil spirits that are working fulltime to deceive people and turn them away from the REAL JESUS....
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No, it was him alright. He gets a kick out of everyone trying to get him to come back. He's still kind of pissed you see.
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HE will be coming back in great glory and every eye will see....


"For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. "

Matthew 24:27




Then they all said, "Are You then the Son of God?" So He said to them, "You rightly say that I am."

Luke 22:70




"Whenever the evil spirits saw him, they fell down before him and cried out, "You are the Son of God."

Mark 3:11




"When Jesus heard [that], He said, "This sickness is not unto death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God may be glorified through it."

John 11:4




"Simon Peter answered and said, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."

Jesus answered and said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed [this] to you, but My Father who is in heaven"

Mat. 16:16-17



angel3
 Quoting: AmazingGRACE


I AM already here.. And so are you.. We are all Sons and Daughters of God.. Take your bible and shove it up your ass sideways.

If you all fail to remember, when Jesus told his Father he was ready, he bowed his head on the cross and died.. And the Church CRUMBLED to the ground.. And every Church shall be destroyed once again.. Religion is the Anti-Christ!
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true believers in Yeshua know that it is about a personal relationship with HIM....not a building made by human hands.
 Quoting: AmazingGRACE


Then you should know that he is not returning. He is already here.. The second coming is MAN STANDING UP TO TYRANNY! The exact thing you see happening all across the globe.. How many Kings have fallen in the last 2 years?

HUMANITY is the spirit of Christ.. Humanity will RISE UP against the establishment.. All forms of control will be destroyed.

I AM CHRIST!
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Exactly! The second coming is not the physical return of Jesus. It's a reaching of Christ Consciousness by enough souls-which will bring down the walls of tyranny by TPTB and bring in the Golden Age. This is what TPTB and the religious elite don't want you to know-because when enough people know-their games are OVER!!!
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I did cry out to Jesus and he told me the truth. He said he was an alien here to teach us of the universe but we killed him and he's not coming back. This is the truth as told to me by Jesus. Amen
 Quoting: HangDawg


I tend to agree with you, not so much to OP
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 894510


Religion is just us trying to appease GOD because we killed his ambassador to earth. Face it, we fucked up. Now we will have to learn the secrets of the universe ourselves.
 Quoting: HangDawg


JESUS is an alien? You are believing in demonic teaching ....there are demons that are leading people right down to path to destruction....

be careful what you say you believe in....

you KNOW NOT the spiritual world....

there are demons and evil spirits that are working fulltime to deceive people and turn them away from the REAL JESUS....
 Quoting: AmazingGRACE


OK. OP here's a real simple question. In your mind Jesus isn't from another world right meaning he's not alien. What makes you so sure he's not, nothing in the bible say's he not an alien, but more words point to the fact that he is from another world, "alien"

WHY CAN'T JESUS BE ALIEN OP? (and you can't say "well he just isn't" just back up something in your reading of the bible that say's he's not.
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Everybody I know is the son of God.

OP is the son of God as well, though he will likely not admit it.
 Quoting: fnord 14151839


JESUS is now sitting at the right hand of hand of the FATHER.

HE was raised from the dead and walked arouhnd for 40 days AFTER HE DIED.

HE is THE Son of GOD. HE is resurrected. HE is the ONLY way to the FATHER.

IF you deny this, then you call JESUS a liar.


'Now [this is] the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens,

Hebrews 11:8



Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

John 14:7

 Quoting: AmazingGRACE



Here is another thought I have been considering, or perhaps struggling with, lately, regarding this verse here:

Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

John 14:7


Everywhere in the Bible Jesus always says "No one comes to the FATHER, but through me." Or he says specifically, no one may enter the "kingdom of God;" without Him. Jesus NEVER specifically says that the only way to Heaven is through Him. He never uses that word, "heaven." He always refers to it as "the kingdom of God."

I have begun to start believing that perhaps Heaven, or the spiritual world, is a very very large dimension, with different places in it. Within heaven there is a Kingdom of God, but there may be other nice places as well, places outside the Kingdom of God. Some people who believe in God, but perhaps haven't believed in Christ (like jewish people, maybe Muslims, etc) will enter into heaven but they still will not be able to enter the Kingdom of God until they are more spiritually developed.

I told my husband of my thoughts...(he has also been a well-studied traditional protestant Christian for many years and has also studied some in seminary)...and he warned me that, it is possible what I say is true, BUT that he chooses to believe that Jesus is the only way because it is "better safe than sorry." In other words, it's better to be sure you are going to the Kingdom of God that to risk being wrong and going to hell. He says he doesn't want to lead anyone astray by inserting our "own thoughts" into what the Bible has said (even if we believe our thoughts may have come from the Holy Spirit. He says we can't be sure yet if those thoughts come from the Holy Spirit or if they are lies from the devil.) I agree with him on those points too.

Anyone else have thoughts or insights on this?


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there ain't no fricking God.
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We have all known God who walked earth as Jesus.
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I tend to agree with you, not so much to OP
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Religion is just us trying to appease GOD because we killed his ambassador to earth. Face it, we fucked up. Now we will have to learn the secrets of the universe ourselves.
 Quoting: HangDawg


JESUS is an alien? You are believing in demonic teaching ....there are demons that are leading people right down to path to destruction....

be careful what you say you believe in....

you KNOW NOT the spiritual world....

there are demons and evil spirits that are working fulltime to deceive people and turn them away from the REAL JESUS....
 Quoting: AmazingGRACE


OK. OP here's a real simple question. In your mind Jesus isn't from another world right meaning he's not alien. What makes you so sure he's not, nothing in the bible say's he not an alien, but more words point to the fact that he is from another world, "alien"

WHY CAN'T JESUS BE ALIEN OP? (and you can't say "well he just isn't" just back up something in your reading of the bible that say's he's not.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 894510


God is not alienated to anybody.
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I have unlocked the bible to my understanding. Can you be specific as to why my interpretation is incorrect or why your interpretation is correct?..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 894510


is it your interpretation of the HOLY SPIRITS?
 Quoting: AmazingGRACE


I spoke to Jesus, he said he did indeed walk the earth but we killed him. Now he and god just don't give a shit and MAYBE they will try again in 10,000 years. They tried once and humans fucked it up.
 Quoting: HangDawg


There is no second crucifying. But His Father´s Wrath.
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No DUH! That's why he isn't coming back. He doesn't trust us yet. They figure they'll try again in about 10k years. If we fuck up the next time, they are going to give up and leave us to our own devices. They'll move on to another civilization and see if they are interested in learning the ways of the universe.
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I AM already here.. And so are you.. We are all Sons and Daughters of God.. Take your bible and shove it up your ass sideways.

If you all fail to remember, when Jesus told his Father he was ready, he bowed his head on the cross and died.. And the Church CRUMBLED to the ground.. And every Church shall be destroyed once again.. Religion is the Anti-Christ!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11229871


true believers in Yeshua know that it is about a personal relationship with HIM....not a building made by human hands.
 Quoting: AmazingGRACE


Then you should know that he is not returning. He is already here.. The second coming is MAN STANDING UP TO TYRANNY! The exact thing you see happening all across the globe.. How many Kings have fallen in the last 2 years?

HUMANITY is the spirit of Christ.. Humanity will RISE UP against the establishment.. All forms of control will be destroyed.

I AM CHRIST!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11229871


Exactly! The second coming is not the physical return of Jesus. It's a reaching of Christ Consciousness by enough souls-which will bring down the walls of tyranny by TPTB and bring in the Golden Age. This is what TPTB and the religious elite don't want you to know-because when enough people know-their games are OVER!!!
 Quoting: ATONTRUTH


if you REALLY believe this....then you are seriously deceived by evil spirits and demons. I'm sorry to have to say it....

but in the last days there will be many deceiving spirits to led people away from the truth.

that is why there are so many of these new age doctrines.
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How are you people calling a HEBREW man by a GREEK/Latin name? This doesn't make sense to me.
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I tend to agree with you, not so much to OP
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 894510


Religion is just us trying to appease GOD because we killed his ambassador to earth. Face it, we fucked up. Now we will have to learn the secrets of the universe ourselves.
 Quoting: HangDawg


JESUS is an alien? You are believing in demonic teaching ....there are demons that are leading people right down to path to destruction....

be careful what you say you believe in....

you KNOW NOT the spiritual world....

there are demons and evil spirits that are working fulltime to deceive people and turn them away from the REAL JESUS....
 Quoting: AmazingGRACE


OK. OP here's a real simple question. In your mind Jesus isn't from another world right meaning he's not alien. What makes you so sure he's not, nothing in the bible say's he not an alien, but more words point to the fact that he is from another world, "alien"

WHY CAN'T JESUS BE ALIEN OP? (and you can't say "well he just isn't" just back up something in your reading of the bible that say's he's not.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 894510


why does it matter at all?? JESUS is the SON OF GOD. EVERY KNEE WILL BOW TO HIM....

that is all that really matters....

HE came as a LAMB and will return as a LION.

Hear HIM roar....

HIS wrath is coming....

judgment is falling....

don't get caught in it...
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I have unlocked the bible to my understanding. Can you be specific as to why my interpretation is incorrect or why your interpretation is correct?..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 894510


is it your interpretation of the HOLY SPIRITS?
 Quoting: AmazingGRACE


I have asked you a simple question why you feel my interpretation is wrong or yours in right? What is your interpretation of "HOLY SPIRITS"?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 894510


you have to be walking in the SPIRIT to know the LORD and unlock the mysteries of the Scripturese. It is not about your interpretation. It is about the SPIRIT leading. Something our flesh does not understand and never will.
 Quoting: AmazingGRACE


How can you be sure it's a holy spirit leading you and not a deceptive demon? or just a Delusional disorder (most delusional disorders affect those who claim to be highly religious).. You wouldn't know the difference.
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How are you people calling a HEBREW man by a GREEK/Latin name? This doesn't make sense to me.
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when you call out to JESUS....HE knows who you are addressing....

HE has many names
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Everybody I know is the son of God.

OP is the son of God as well, though he will likely not admit it.
 Quoting: fnord 14151839


JESUS is now sitting at the right hand of hand of the FATHER.

HE was raised from the dead and walked arouhnd for 40 days AFTER HE DIED.

HE is THE Son of GOD. HE is resurrected. HE is the ONLY way to the FATHER.

IF you deny this, then you call JESUS a liar.


'Now [this is] the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens,

Hebrews 11:8



Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

John 14:7

 Quoting: AmazingGRACE



Here is another thought I have been considering, or perhaps struggling with, lately, regarding this verse here:

Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

John 14:7


Everywhere in the Bible Jesus always says "No one comes to the FATHER, but through me." Or he says specifically, no one may enter the "kingdom of God;" without Him. Jesus NEVER specifically says that the only way to Heaven is through Him. He never uses that word, "heaven." He always refers to it as "the kingdom of God."

I have begun to start believing that perhaps Heaven, or the spiritual world, is a very very large dimension, with different places in it. Within heaven there is a Kingdom of God, but there may be other nice places as well, places outside the Kingdom of God. Some people who believe in God, but perhaps haven't believed in Christ (like jewish people, maybe Muslims, etc) will enter into heaven but they still will not be able to enter the Kingdom of God until they are more spiritually developed.

I told my husband of my thoughts...(he has also been a well-studied traditional protestant Christian for many years and has also studied some in seminary)...and he warned me that, it is possible what I say is true, BUT that he chooses to believe that Jesus is the only way because it is "better safe than sorry." In other words, it's better to be sure you are going to the Kingdom of God that to risk being wrong and going to hell. He says he doesn't want to lead anyone astray by inserting our "own thoughts" into what the Bible has said (even if we believe our thoughts may have come from the Holy Spirit. He says we can't be sure yet if those thoughts come from the Holy Spirit or if they are lies from the devil.) I agree with him on those points too.

Anyone else have thoughts or insights on this?


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 Quoting: nightowl



Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. Matthew 24:35


The Kigdom of God is beyond both:

The heavens, even the highest heaven, cannot contain you. 2 Chronicles 6:18, 1 Kings 8:27

Can you probe the limits of the Almighty?
8They are higher than the heavens—what can you do?
They are deeper than the depths of the grave—what can you know? Job 11

5Be exalted, O God, above the heavens; let your glory be over all the earth. Psalm 57
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true believers in Yeshua know that it is about a personal relationship with HIM....not a building made by human hands.
 Quoting: AmazingGRACE


Then you should know that he is not returning. He is already here.. The second coming is MAN STANDING UP TO TYRANNY! The exact thing you see happening all across the globe.. How many Kings have fallen in the last 2 years?

HUMANITY is the spirit of Christ.. Humanity will RISE UP against the establishment.. All forms of control will be destroyed.

I AM CHRIST!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11229871


Exactly! The second coming is not the physical return of Jesus. It's a reaching of Christ Consciousness by enough souls-which will bring down the walls of tyranny by TPTB and bring in the Golden Age. This is what TPTB and the religious elite don't want you to know-because when enough people know-their games are OVER!!!
 Quoting: ATONTRUTH


if you REALLY believe this....then you are seriously deceived by evil spirits and demons. I'm sorry to have to say it....

but in the last days there will be many deceiving spirits to led people away from the truth.

that is why there are so many of these new age doctrines.
 Quoting: AmazingGRACE


Actually, it is you who believes the word of man not the word of god. God doesn't write stuff down and strictly forbids it. He knows humans are idiots and will get it wrong.

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