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Are you aware that you are NOT the thoughts that come from your human mind? In fact, your mind is your enemy...

 
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And thank you. My only purpose in being here is to provide a gentle nudge for people. If they resonate with what I say, then maybe they will look further on their own.

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Listening to our mind/ego is why the world is in the shape it is now
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this is the egos world you don't like it then go back to your little paradise in the sky lol
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The mind/ego is only out of control because we allow it to be. The way out of this enslavement is by bring the mind/ego back under control. You understand the problem, but you just don't want to take control of your mind/ego. You/we won't be free until you/we do...

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As always, just listen to your heart ...
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2 Corinthians 3:3
the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

Jeremiah 31:33
..I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.



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the community groweth,
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Yes, that's right.
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The mind/ego is only out of control because we allow it to be. The way out of this enslavement is by bring the mind/ego back under control. You understand the problem, but you just don't want to take control of your mind/ego. You/we won't be free until you/we do...

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everything you write is from ego ? lol the singularity of spirit is one word love all else is egos :)
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everything you write is from ego ? lol the singularity of spirit is one word love all else is egos :)
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While I don't disagree with your post, my purpose here is to try and show others how to move from living in their mind/ego to living in their hearts. Your post will mean very little to most people. Your need to banter language instead of trying to explain the way to freedom for others is sad is my view.

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I do think that women surpass men in areas of intuition and other areas of the vast array of complexities hidden within the spiritual centers of the mind, both of which are extremely important, and invaluable to the functioning of the universe. We are both equally amazing machines; man and woman. Both, equally important. We are all one.

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Thank you for the post. Personally, I believe that the "spiritual centers of the mind" are not the mind, but the "spiritual centers of the heart". The heart provides us an interface with our inner spiritual self and the mind provides us an interface with this physical world.

Just my view.

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I agree with you here the mind being just an interface...Really interesting post thanks for those! I see the ego as an advanced program pulling up reactions, from stored passed actions and reactions, for the actions around us. If observing the ego is accomplished, where is this observer observing from? And how to really connect back with this true observer?(hard to convey what I mean maybe you understand) Thanks hf
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Many people are not aware that the constant thoughts they receive in our minds/egos are not who they really are. When we listen to our mind/ego to guide us instead of our heart, we will forever be led astray. This is why our minds are our enemy. It is only once we learn to quiet our mind/ego and to listen to the subtle messages from our heart that we will begin to follow our true path and find real peace.

Many, many Wise Ones have reminded us throughout the ages, that we are really powerful spiritual beings that are truly immortal. We were never born and we will never die. Our finite physical bodies (our avatars) are simply a tool for us to experience this physical reality, but are not really who we are.

I know how crazy that sounds to most people. Most people just cannot believe that our body/mind/ego is not who we really are. We are not these frail, finite, physical bodies. We are in truth very advanced spiritual beings that come to this dense physical reality to learn from it. We will continue to live many, many incarnations here until we begin to understand what truly powerful spiritual beings we really are and begin to understand that it is within our power to leave whenever we want. Many people consider us to be slaves in this reality. Yes, we are! BUT, once we begin to remember who we really are, we can't be held here any longer. We are really more powerful than most of us can imagine.

Please understand, intelligence and cleverness are not wisdom. Wisdom comes from the heart and grows the more we experience throughout our many human incarnations. Intelligence and cleverness cause us to believe that it is us against the world, that the world is an evil, ugly and dangerous place. Listening to our mind/ego is why the world is in the shape it is now.

I hope what I have said makes some sense. If it doesn't, that is completely fine. We each must follow our own path through this reality.

If you would like some additional information about this concept, take a look at the book by Eckhart Tolle called A New Earth. I thought it was great.

Peace,
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clappaclappa
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This thread .....funny not one mentions how truly fallen our human nature is. We fell from Grace a while ago..got our ass kicked out of the garden of Tree of Life..we all know this dont we, way deep down. No matter how we slice it we cant get back to the Garden, but one way only...The Christ way!! It is His way or the highway. You cant see the truly fallen of this world and your own without Him, you simply cant. Ohhhh..We all know what the real deal is. the "GOD DISCONNECT"...therefore the Quarantine !! But not for much longer..HALLELUYAH!!!
Romans 8:25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
Heb 1:3 who being the shining splendor of His glory, and the express image of His essence, and upholding all things by the Word of His power, having made purification of our sins through Himself, He sat down on the right of the Majesty on high, Psa. 110:1
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Fibonacci, when I read The Power Of Now, I had decided to write down some passages that really stood out to me, so I logged them on my phone as I read the book, so that I could revisit them at a later date without having to re-read the book... Thought I'd share them here for others to read. I think it's important that people not place focus on the messenger (Eckhart Tolle) but on the MESSAGE. I don't think the author would want it any other way:

[link to www.amazon.com]

Quotes from The Power Of Now:

-Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.

-To be identified with your mind is to be trapped in time: the compulsion to live almost exclusively through memory and anticipation. This creates and endless preoccupation with past and future and an unwillingness to honor and acklowledge the present moment and allow it to be. The compulsion arises because the past gives you an identity and the future holds the promise of salvation, of fulfillment in whatever form. Both are illusions.

-When you are present, you can allow the mind to be as it is without getting entangled in it. The mind in itself is not dysfunctional. It is a wonderful tool. Dysfunction sets in when you seek your self in it and mistake it for who you are. It then becomes egoic mind and takes over your whole life.

-"Problem" means that you are dwelling on a situation mentally without there being a true intention or possibility of taking action now and that you are unconciously making it part of your sense of self. You become so overwhelmed by your life situation that you lose your sense of life, of Being.

-In the absence of psychological time, your sense of self is derived from Being, not from your personal past. Therefore, the psychological need to become anything other than who you are already is no longer there. In the world, on the level of your life situation, you may indeed become wealthy, knowledgeable, successful, free of this or that, but in the deeper dimension of Being you are complete and whole now.

-Everything is honored, but nothing matters. Forms are born and die, yet you are aware of the eternal underneath the forms. You know that "nothing real can be threatened". When this is your state of Being, how can you not succeed? You have succeeded already.

-Loss of Now is loss of Being

-To be free of time is to be free of the psychological need of past for your identity and future for your fulfillment. It represents the most profound transformation of conciousness you can imagine.

-Ultimately, of course, every outer purpose is doomed to "fail" sooner or later, simply because it is subject to the law of impermanence of all things. The sooner you realize that your outer purpose cannot give you lasting fulfillment, the better. When you have seen the limitations of your outer purpose, you give up your unrealistic expectation that it should make you happy, and you make it subservient to your inner purpose.

-What is the power of Now? None other than the power of your presence, your consciousness liberated from thought forms. So deal with the past on the level of the present. The more attention you give to the past, the more you energize it, and the more likely you are to make a "self" out of it. You cannot find yourself by going into the past. You find yourself by coming into the present.

-What is essential is your conscious presence. That dissovles the past. That is the transformative agent. So don't seek to understand the past, but be as present as you can. The past cannot survive in your presence. It can only survive in your absence.

-To stay present in everyday life, it helps to be deeply rooted within yourself; otherwise, the mind, which has incredible momentum, will drag you along like a wild river.

-Whenever you watch the mind, you withdraw consciousness from mind forms, and it then becomes what we call the watcher or the witness. Consequently, the watcher - pure consciousness beyond form - becomes stronger, and the mental formations become weaker. Through you, consciousness is awakening out of its dream of identification with form and withdrawing from form. When consciousness frees itself from its identification with physical and mental forms, it becomes what we may call pure or enlightened consciousness, or presence.

-Egoic mind has become like a sinking ship. If you don't get off, you will go down with it. The collective egoic mind is the most dangerously insane and destructive entity ever to inhabit this planet. What do you think would happen on this planet if human consciousness remains unchanged?

-To become conscious of Being, you need to reclaim consciousness from the mind. This is one of the most essential tasks on your spiritual journey. It will free vast amounts of consciousness that previously had been trapped in useless and compulsive thinking.

-They are out of balance. In other words, they know the world, or they think they do, but they don't know God. They identify exclusively with their own physical and psychological form, unconscious of essence. And because every form is high unstable, they live in fear. This fear causes a deep misperception of themselves and of other humans, a distortion in their vision of the world.

-Every portal is a portal of death, the death of the false self. When you go through it, you cease to derive your identity from your psychological, mind-made form. You then realize that death is an illusion, just as your identification with form was an illusion. The end of illusion - that's all that death is. It is painful only as long as you cling to illusion.

- True salvation is fulfillment, peace, life in all its fullness. It is to be who you are, to feel within you the good that has no opposite, the joy of Being that depends on nothing outside itself.

-True salvation is a state of freedom - from fear, from suffering, from a perceived state of lack and insufficiency and therefore from all wanting, needing, grasping, and clinging. It is freedom from compulsive thinking, from negativity, and above all from past and future as a psychological need. Your mind is telling you that you cannot get there from here. Something needs to happen, or you need to become this or that before you can be free and fulfilled. You see time as a means too salvation, whereas in truth it is the greatest obstacle to salvation. You think that you can't get there from where and who you are at this moment because you are not yet complete or good enough, but the truth is that here and now is the only point from where you can get there. You "get" there by realizing that you are there already.

There is nothing you can ever do or attain that will get you closer to salvation than it is at this moment. Nor can anything that you ever did or what was done to you in the past prevent you from saying yes to what is and taking your attention deeply into the Now. You cannot do this in the future. You do it now or not at all.

-To disidentify from thinking is to be the silent watcher of your thoughts and behavior, especially the repetitive patterns of your mind and the roles played by the ego. If you stop investing it with "selfness", the mind loses its compulsive quality, which basically is the compulsion to judge, and so to resist what is, which creates conflict, drama, and new pain. In fact, the moment that judgement stops through acceptance of what is, you are free of the mind. You have made room for love, for joy, for peace.

Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. It is not dependent on some other body, some external form. In the stillness of your presence, you can feel your own formless and timeless reality as the unmanifested life that animates your physical form. You can then feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

- The whole advertising industry and consumer society would collapse if people became enlightened and no longer sought to find their identity through things. The more you seek happiness in this way, the more it will elude you. Nothing out there will ever satisfy you except temporarily and superficially, but you may need to experience many disillusionments before you realize the truth. Things and conditons can give you pleasure, but they will also give you pain. Things and conditions can give you pleasure, but they cannot give you joy. Nothing can give you joy. Joy is uncaused and arises from within as the joy of Being. It is your natural state, not something that you need to work hard for or struggle to attain.

-To offer no resistance to life is to be in a state of grace, ease and lightness. This state is then no longer dependent on things being a certain way, good or bad. It seems almost paradoxical, yet when your inner dependency on form is gone, the general conditions of your life, the outer forms, tend to improve greatly. The happiness that is derived from some secondary source is never very deep. It is only a pale reflection of the joy of Being, the vibrant peace that you find within as you enter the state of nonresistance. Being takes you beyond the polar opposites of the mind and frees you from dependency on form. Even if everyrhing were to collapse and crumble all around you, you would still feel a deep inner core of peace. You may not be happy, but you will be at peace.

-Having gone beyond the mind-made opposites, you become like a deep lake. The outer situation of your life and whatever happens there is the surface of the lake. Sometimes calm, sometimes windy and rough, according to the cycles and seasons. Deep down, however, the lake is always undisturbed. You are the whole lake, not just the surface, and you are in touch with your own depth, which remains absolutely still. You don't resist change by mentally clinging to any situation. Your inner peace does not depend on it. You abide in Being - unchanging, timeless, deathless - and you are no longer dependent for fulfillment or happiness on the outer world of constantly fluctuating forms. You can enjoy them, play with them, create new forms, appreciate the beauty of it all. But there will be no need to attach yourself to any of it.

-Suffering is due to identification with form.

-Nothing that was real ever died, only names, forms, and illusions.

-The body is an incredible misperception of your true nature. But your true nature is concealed somewhere within that illusion, not outside it, so the body is still the only point of access to it.

-Your primary task is not to seek salvation through creating a better world, but to awaken out of identification with form. You are then no longer bound to this world. You can still enjoy the passing pleasures of this world, but there is no fear of loss anymore, so you don't need to cling to them.

-Your healing influence is primarily based not on doing, but on being. Everybody you come in contact with will be touched by your presence and affected by the peace that you emanate, whether they are concious of it or not. When you are fully present and people around you manifest unconcious behavior, you won't feel the need to react to it, so you don't give it any reality. Your peace is so vast and deep that anything that is not peace disappears into it as if it had never existed. This breaks the karmic cycle of action and reaction. Animals, trees, flowers will feel your peace and respond to it. You teach through being, through demonstrating the peace of God. You become the "light of the world," an emanation of pure consciousness, and so you elimnate suffering on the level of cause. You eliminate unconsciousness from the world.

-The mind-identified state is severely disfunctional. It is a form of insanity. Almost everyone is suffering from this illness in varying degrees. The moment you realize this, there can be no more resentment. How can you resent someone's illness? The only approppriate response is compassion.
 Quoting: Eckhart Tolle



This book took me awhile to read and digest. Some of the passages did not him home with me until a few months later or after certain self-realizations based on experiences that transpired in my own life. I have the other book you were discussing earlier in this thread, I haven't started it yet but will do so soon.

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Fibonacci, when I read The Power Of Now, I had decided to write down some passages that really stood out to me, so I logged them on my phone as I read the book, so that I could revisit them at a later date without having to re-read the book... Thought I'd share them here for others to read. I think it's important that people not place focus on the messenger (Eckhart Tolle) but on the MESSAGE. I don't think the author would want it any other way:

[link to www.amazon.com]

Quotes from The Power Of Now:

-Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.

-To be identified with your mind is to be trapped in time: the compulsion to live almost exclusively through memory and anticipation. This creates and endless preoccupation with past and future and an unwillingness to honor and acklowledge the present moment and allow it to be. The compulsion arises because the past gives you an identity and the future holds the promise of salvation, of fulfillment in whatever form. Both are illusions.

-When you are present, you can allow the mind to be as it is without getting entangled in it. The mind in itself is not dysfunctional. It is a wonderful tool. Dysfunction sets in when you seek your self in it and mistake it for who you are. It then becomes egoic mind and takes over your whole life.

-"Problem" means that you are dwelling on a situation mentally without there being a true intention or possibility of taking action now and that you are unconciously making it part of your sense of self. You become so overwhelmed by your life situation that you lose your sense of life, of Being.

-In the absence of psychological time, your sense of self is derived from Being, not from your personal past. Therefore, the psychological need to become anything other than who you are already is no longer there. In the world, on the level of your life situation, you may indeed become wealthy, knowledgeable, successful, free of this or that, but in the deeper dimension of Being you are complete and whole now.

-Everything is honored, but nothing matters. Forms are born and die, yet you are aware of the eternal underneath the forms. You know that "nothing real can be threatened". When this is your state of Being, how can you not succeed? You have succeeded already.

-Loss of Now is loss of Being

-To be free of time is to be free of the psychological need of past for your identity and future for your fulfillment. It represents the most profound transformation of conciousness you can imagine.

-Ultimately, of course, every outer purpose is doomed to "fail" sooner or later, simply because it is subject to the law of impermanence of all things. The sooner you realize that your outer purpose cannot give you lasting fulfillment, the better. When you have seen the limitations of your outer purpose, you give up your unrealistic expectation that it should make you happy, and you make it subservient to your inner purpose.

-What is the power of Now? None other than the power of your presence, your consciousness liberated from thought forms. So deal with the past on the level of the present. The more attention you give to the past, the more you energize it, and the more likely you are to make a "self" out of it. You cannot find yourself by going into the past. You find yourself by coming into the present.

-What is essential is your conscious presence. That dissovles the past. That is the transformative agent. So don't seek to understand the past, but be as present as you can. The past cannot survive in your presence. It can only survive in your absence.

-To stay present in everyday life, it helps to be deeply rooted within yourself; otherwise, the mind, which has incredible momentum, will drag you along like a wild river.

-Whenever you watch the mind, you withdraw consciousness from mind forms, and it then becomes what we call the watcher or the witness. Consequently, the watcher - pure consciousness beyond form - becomes stronger, and the mental formations become weaker. Through you, consciousness is awakening out of its dream of identification with form and withdrawing from form. When consciousness frees itself from its identification with physical and mental forms, it becomes what we may call pure or enlightened consciousness, or presence.

-Egoic mind has become like a sinking ship. If you don't get off, you will go down with it. The collective egoic mind is the most dangerously insane and destructive entity ever to inhabit this planet. What do you think would happen on this planet if human consciousness remains unchanged?

-To become conscious of Being, you need to reclaim consciousness from the mind. This is one of the most essential tasks on your spiritual journey. It will free vast amounts of consciousness that previously had been trapped in useless and compulsive thinking.

-They are out of balance. In other words, they know the world, or they think they do, but they don't know God. They identify exclusively with their own physical and psychological form, unconscious of essence. And because every form is high unstable, they live in fear. This fear causes a deep misperception of themselves and of other humans, a distortion in their vision of the world.

-Every portal is a portal of death, the death of the false self. When you go through it, you cease to derive your identity from your psychological, mind-made form. You then realize that death is an illusion, just as your identification with form was an illusion. The end of illusion - that's all that death is. It is painful only as long as you cling to illusion.

- True salvation is fulfillment, peace, life in all its fullness. It is to be who you are, to feel within you the good that has no opposite, the joy of Being that depends on nothing outside itself.

-True salvation is a state of freedom - from fear, from suffering, from a perceived state of lack and insufficiency and therefore from all wanting, needing, grasping, and clinging. It is freedom from compulsive thinking, from negativity, and above all from past and future as a psychological need. Your mind is telling you that you cannot get there from here. Something needs to happen, or you need to become this or that before you can be free and fulfilled. You see time as a means too salvation, whereas in truth it is the greatest obstacle to salvation. You think that you can't get there from where and who you are at this moment because you are not yet complete or good enough, but the truth is that here and now is the only point from where you can get there. You "get" there by realizing that you are there already.

There is nothing you can ever do or attain that will get you closer to salvation than it is at this moment. Nor can anything that you ever did or what was done to you in the past prevent you from saying yes to what is and taking your attention deeply into the Now. You cannot do this in the future. You do it now or not at all.

-To disidentify from thinking is to be the silent watcher of your thoughts and behavior, especially the repetitive patterns of your mind and the roles played by the ego. If you stop investing it with "selfness", the mind loses its compulsive quality, which basically is the compulsion to judge, and so to resist what is, which creates conflict, drama, and new pain. In fact, the moment that judgement stops through acceptance of what is, you are free of the mind. You have made room for love, for joy, for peace.

Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. It is not dependent on some other body, some external form. In the stillness of your presence, you can feel your own formless and timeless reality as the unmanifested life that animates your physical form. You can then feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

- The whole advertising industry and consumer society would collapse if people became enlightened and no longer sought to find their identity through things. The more you seek happiness in this way, the more it will elude you. Nothing out there will ever satisfy you except temporarily and superficially, but you may need to experience many disillusionments before you realize the truth. Things and conditons can give you pleasure, but they will also give you pain. Things and conditions can give you pleasure, but they cannot give you joy. Nothing can give you joy. Joy is uncaused and arises from within as the joy of Being. It is your natural state, not something that you need to work hard for or struggle to attain.

-To offer no resistance to life is to be in a state of grace, ease and lightness. This state is then no longer dependent on things being a certain way, good or bad. It seems almost paradoxical, yet when your inner dependency on form is gone, the general conditions of your life, the outer forms, tend to improve greatly. The happiness that is derived from some secondary source is never very deep. It is only a pale reflection of the joy of Being, the vibrant peace that you find within as you enter the state of nonresistance. Being takes you beyond the polar opposites of the mind and frees you from dependency on form. Even if everyrhing were to collapse and crumble all around you, you would still feel a deep inner core of peace. You may not be happy, but you will be at peace.

-Having gone beyond the mind-made opposites, you become like a deep lake. The outer situation of your life and whatever happens there is the surface of the lake. Sometimes calm, sometimes windy and rough, according to the cycles and seasons. Deep down, however, the lake is always undisturbed. You are the whole lake, not just the surface, and you are in touch with your own depth, which remains absolutely still. You don't resist change by mentally clinging to any situation. Your inner peace does not depend on it. You abide in Being - unchanging, timeless, deathless - and you are no longer dependent for fulfillment or happiness on the outer world of constantly fluctuating forms. You can enjoy them, play with them, create new forms, appreciate the beauty of it all. But there will be no need to attach yourself to any of it.

-Suffering is due to identification with form.

-Nothing that was real ever died, only names, forms, and illusions.

-The body is an incredible misperception of your true nature. But your true nature is concealed somewhere within that illusion, not outside it, so the body is still the only point of access to it.

-Your primary task is not to seek salvation through creating a better world, but to awaken out of identification with form. You are then no longer bound to this world. You can still enjoy the passing pleasures of this world, but there is no fear of loss anymore, so you don't need to cling to them.

-Your healing influence is primarily based not on doing, but on being. Everybody you come in contact with will be touched by your presence and affected by the peace that you emanate, whether they are concious of it or not. When you are fully present and people around you manifest unconcious behavior, you won't feel the need to react to it, so you don't give it any reality. Your peace is so vast and deep that anything that is not peace disappears into it as if it had never existed. This breaks the karmic cycle of action and reaction. Animals, trees, flowers will feel your peace and respond to it. You teach through being, through demonstrating the peace of God. You become the "light of the world," an emanation of pure consciousness, and so you elimnate suffering on the level of cause. You eliminate unconsciousness from the world.

-The mind-identified state is severely disfunctional. It is a form of insanity. Almost everyone is suffering from this illness in varying degrees. The moment you realize this, there can be no more resentment. How can you resent someone's illness? The only approppriate response is compassion.
 Quoting: Eckhart Tolle



This book took me awhile to read and digest. Some of the passages did not him home with me until a few months later or after certain self-realizations based on experiences that transpired in my own life. I have the other book you were discussing earlier in this thread, I haven't started it yet but will do so soon.
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Thank you so much for the quotes from his book. he really does knock me out. He is right on about what we need to do to quiet the constant noise from the mind/ego.

You will really like his other book, A New Earth. Well written. Don't miss the introduction! Very good.

Thanks again.

Peace
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I constantly yell out for my mind to shut the fuck up.
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Yeah, I know what you mean. So much drama and fear. *grin*

Try to not fight your ego, just understand what it is and know that it isn't the real you, then gently push it aside.

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I agree with you here the mind being just an interface...Really interesting post thanks for those! I see the ego as an advanced program pulling up reactions, from stored passed actions and reactions, for the actions around us. If observing the ego is accomplished, where is this observer observing from? And how to really connect back with this true observer?(hard to convey what I mean maybe you understand) Thanks hf
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Yes. The brain is the physical computer and the mind is the software for us to interface with this physical reality. It interfaces with the fives physical senses; see, taste, touch, hear and smell. But this software has become our everything instead of sharing the load with our other interface, the heart.

The heart is the interface with our spiritual self. This is really who we are! Not the physical body. This understanding has gotten lost. We don't listen to our spiritual self/heart and therefore we are in constant suffering because of it. Because of this, we have also completely forgotten who we really are! But, we are beginning to remember...

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I constantly yell out for my mind to shut the fuck up.
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Yeah, I know what you mean. So much drama and fear. *grin*

Try to not fight your ego, just understand what it is and know that it isn't the real you, then gently push it aside.

Peace
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Actualy, there is an outside intruder that tries to enter neural code into the already mixed up patterns of thought to make victims easily tuned, to act out and say shit to enrage the cerebral entities surrounding the subject in every day life.

I used to have this over powering image flash in my head to punch people in the face when I spoke to them. This would occur with people I liked mostly. I eventually overcame that mind trick and cleared it out.

Now, I have to tell my mind to shut the fuck up when it flashes past experiences that are troubling to my current thoughts as I resist the intrusions.
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I constantly yell out for my mind to shut the fuck up.
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Yeah, I know what you mean. So much drama and fear. *grin*

Try to not fight your ego, just understand what it is and know that it isn't the real you, then gently push it aside.

Peace
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Actualy, there is an outside intruder that tries to enter neural code into the already mixed up patterns of thought to make victims easily tuned, to act out and say shit to enrage the cerebral entities surrounding the subject in every day life.

I used to have this over powering image flash in my head to punch people in the face when I spoke to them. This would occur with people I liked mostly. I eventually overcame that mind trick and cleared it out.

Now, I have to tell my mind to shut the fuck up when it flashes past experiences that are troubling to my current thoughts as I resist the intrusions.
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Few people want to discuss these kinds of issues. They are afraid that they will be viewed as insane. I wonder sometimes how many so called insane people are really just lost in their constant mind/ego nightmare.

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Insanity is a label given to those who think on another level beyond what is promulgated by law of pharmaceutical pushers.

We are controlled in how we may think.
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Insanity is a label given to those who think on another level beyond what is promulgated by law of pharmaceutical pushers.

We are controlled in how we may think.
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Yes, but it seems that they can't control it. That is the tragic part.
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OP I really am loving your message here.

I have just one question that I have been struggling with, though. How do I determine if it is my mind or my heart sending me a message?

Thank you hf
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OP I really am loving your message here.

I have just one question that I have been struggling with, though. How do I determine if it is my mind or my heart sending me a message?

Thank you hf
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Good question. To be honest, it is not always apparent. They is how we have been conned into believing this body/mind is all we are.

When we make quick decisions out of anger, hate or fear, we certainly are connecting with our mind/ego. Our connection to our heart/inner spiritual self is a much more subtle and loving connection. To "think" with our heart, we have to let go of all of the base negative feelings and emotions.

Tolle explains all this in his two wonderful books, The Power of Now and his second book, A New Earth. He explains how to begin to push our egoic mind aside so that we can begin to think again through our heart.

I know that I did a terrible job trying to explain this process, but if you can find the time, please try to read his book. I suggest A New Earth.

I'm sorry I wasn't more helpful.

Peace
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I posted a thread a while back questioning this ..
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I posted a thread a while back questioning this ..
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I hope everyone begins to question this! Please feel free to add your thoughts and info if you like. My only purpose here is to help people understand who and what they really are.

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Here is my thread .. nothing much ..
Thread: .. do you ever have thoughts that invade your own ..

Thanks a bunch for putting this out there .. is there anything more you can tell me about this .. is this a religious theory? Spiritual? .. I have come to accept I am intuitive to bad thoughts, things, happenings, people .. does that have any relation ..
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Yes...your thoughts are a hinderance...lower dimensional...as it were.

Good thread...there are so many of us now...soon to be on the psychic highway! Peace!
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Here is my thread .. nothing much ..
Thread: .. do you ever have thoughts that invade your own ..

Thanks a bunch for putting this out there .. is there anything more you can tell me about this .. is this a religious theory? Spiritual? .. I have come to accept I am intuitive to bad thoughts, things, happenings, people .. does that have any relation ..
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I have discussed ideas similar to this in several other threads. Take a look at this one if you want to know more:

Thread: Here are some truths that I feel we need to address to move beyond this physical reality.
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Yes...your thoughts are a hinderance...lower dimensional...as it were.

Good thread...there are so many of us now...soon to be on the psychic highway! Peace!
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Yeah, there is no stopping the awakening now.

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How do you know where is heart and where is thought? Thought can be good and bad, its just that now people have more bad selfish thoughts.

PEOPLE DONT LISTEN TO THIS DEMON OP.
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Here is my thread .. nothing much ..
Thread: .. do you ever have thoughts that invade your own ..

Thanks a bunch for putting this out there .. is there anything more you can tell me about this .. is this a religious theory? Spiritual? .. I have come to accept I am intuitive to bad thoughts, things, happenings, people .. does that have any relation ..
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You may find this thread useful:

Thread: Here is a list of some of my previous threads if anyone is interested. I thought some may find it useful.
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Here is my thread .. nothing much ..
Thread: .. do you ever have thoughts that invade your own ..

Thanks a bunch for putting this out there .. is there anything more you can tell me about this .. is this a religious theory? Spiritual? .. I have come to accept I am intuitive to bad thoughts, things, happenings, people .. does that have any relation ..
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You may find this thread useful:

Thread: Here is a list of some of my previous threads if anyone is interested. I thought some may find it useful.
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Thank you .. I just bought the book :-) all for reading ..

Both threads .. amazing .. thank you!
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Thanks a bunch for putting this out there .. is there anything more you can tell me about this .. is this a religious theory? Spiritual? .. I have come to accept I am intuitive to bad thoughts, things, happenings, people .. does that have any relation ..
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For more clarity you need to come to grips with some realizations that might challenge the views that society has conditioned and groomed us to buy into and believe in.

Society tries to teach us that our bodies and physical appearances are our identities. How you look is who you are, right? Look at the intense focus on beautification of the human body in our society. Eating disorders, countless cosmetic surgeries, people suffering depression over their perceived physical appearances. Women feeling they need to augment their bodies to increase their sexual desire and perceived attractiveness. Men feeling hopeless because they cannot attract sexual partners to give them a sense of self-worth. Good looking people being over-glorified and praised in the media for nothing other than their physical appearance. It's all one big bullshit FALSEHOOD, a lie. Who you are is NOT how you look and how your physical appearance is perceived by others. Is a down-syndrome person any less of a human being than you or I? Is a quadruple amputee returning from war any less of a human being than you or I? Is a burn victim, or a person with a severe birth defect or genetic disorder any less of a human being than you or I? Your heart tells you NO, but look at the impression that society would shed on this important question. The collective actions of society would tell you that all these physical attributes matter, and that people of varying physical appearances and abilities have different levels of value or worth than others. And again, it's superficial BULLSHIT!

Society also tries to reinforce in us that our mind & thoughts are our identities. I am having sad or depressed thoughts, so I am a sad/depressed person by nature! I am having angry or negative thoughts, so I must be a angry/negative person! I perceive myself as unattractive, so I am really an unattractive person. I am having delusional, thoughts, so I must really be a a crazy person! People have been trained to take these isolated emotions/thoughts and use them as the basis for deciding our identities. Our culture has reinforced this bullshit belief system that we are our minds, and that everything we experience in this body is really who we are.... Does this ring true to your heart? Not mine, and I would guess NO for you as well.. Is a highly autistic or catatonic individual less of a human being than you or I because of their mental states? Is a person who experiences a severe accident, and is a comatose state, now less of a human being than you or I? Is a severely handicapped adult who has the mental age of a child, less of a human being than you are I because of their restricted mental capacity? Should those intellectual and physical capacities (and appearances) be the basis for those individuals' identities in our world? We both know the answer to this, yet society's collective actions & responses would cast these individuals in a different light, and tell you they are lesser beings than those of us who are living with different circumstances.

Society also pushes this biological model whereby we need to infer all meaning and reasoning in everything from biology. Negative/depressed thoughts must be a chemical imbalance of the brain! All forms of mental disorders must have a biological cause in the body! All behavior traits that differ from one individual to a next must have a biological explanation in genetics or brain development! ETC ETC. It's a bullshit model that was valid for a period of time in human civilization but it has unfortunately run it's course and is now restricting human thought and evolution. This biological model is particularly damaging to buy into, because it crushes the acceptance or belief of a spirit or soul inhabiting these physical bodies. Scientists can't locate or measure the soul in a lab, therefore is must not exist! Well then where did this electro-magnetic energy in our bodies come from? And where will it go if science teaches us that energy cannot be destroyed? Something the medical/science field will never be able to answer under the current constraints of the paradigms forced onto us.

You can see all these once seemingly valid teachings that our society and culture has bestowed upon us, that do not make any sense to the individual when you search for meaning and answers from your heart. We have been deceived, corrupted, and brainwashed into believing some of these thought patterns and belief systems, and it has caused so much human pain and suffering and led us to this precarious state of affairs we find ourselves in today. One need not feel ashamed for buying into these belief systems, because did we know any better, growing up? The nature vs. nurture debate. You can groom a child to believe just about anything independent of the actual reality. We have moved away from nature, and placed all of our emphasis on nurture. A corrupt and misguided belief systems have taken over basic human instinct & intuition when it comes to matters of love & compassion.

Think of the human body as a highly complex system or machine. The brain is the centralized computer or control system, and when there's dysfunction in the brain, it creates dysfunction in the entire system. The brain, by itself, is not the entire system. How can it be? Take the brain outside of the human body, and do you have a human being? NO. So why do we believe that everything that transpires in the human brain is supposed to be our identity, and who we are? The EGO is the part of you that is OBSESSED with not only your physical well-being (body), but also with self-preservation in this current lifetime. The ego teaches you to avoid danger, it teaches you to do whatever you can for YOURSELF and your own self preservation. It's the ego controlled mind that urges others to take as much as they can for themselves, because they have to worry about their own preservation, right? It's the ego that urges people to control and manipulate others, to exploit. The ego that urges a young punk to rob and steal for himself at the expense of others. The ego that urges you to continue arguing with your spouse so you can feel you were 'right' and that your perceived identity was not tarnished. The EGO is just a part of the complex system, but the problem we face in our current lives, is that it's become HIGHLY imbalanced and energized, much more so than it ever had to be in past human history. The impulses of the EGO MIND are the cause of all the human suffering you witness before you today, the destruction of the earth and all it's resources, the endless pursuit of money & material things at the expense of the general well being of other humans, animals, and our very own planet.

Those negative thoughts that invade your mind. Those thoughts that cause never-ending stress & anxiety, that's your EGO taking control of your system. That is NOT WHO YOU ARE. That is just one aspect of our this highly complex system running amok and creating havoc for the entire system. You are a physical body and all it's organs (including your brain & heart), a consciousness, a spirit/soul. If you over-identify with your brain and it's activity & thoughts, it will destroy your system and all that you are (at least in this physical reality that we live for the time being).

I know you said in previous threads that you have a family. I do not have children, but I have a 90 lb. German Shepherd who is very much my companion and I love him dearly. So I ask you an important question, when you love your child, do you love with your brain, or with your heart? I feel the love & compassion in my heart, not in my head (brain/mind/ego), and I'm sure you do as well. I think we are all connected via electro-magnetic energy, and the heart is the electro-magnetic pump of the human body. You see, not everything resides in the brain/mind. The brain/mind is just a tool that helps preserve the physical body so we can continue this physical existence whereby we learn important lessons. But if you don't take care of your mind, it will run amok and ruin everything else.

We have all the tools we need to make things right again. Society took the wrong path and we have gotten too far off course. We need to turn around and head back in the right direction. LESS ego, LESS material obsession, LESS concern with self-preservation at the expense of others. MORE love, MORE compassion, MORE understanding, MORE acceptance and tolerance.

I'm only 30, probably about the same age as you. But I tortured myself enough in my own mind during my childhood to have lasted a lifetime. The sudden death of a very important family member at age 20 caused me to question the realities of human existence & explore the possibilities of the afterlife, or an existence behind these physical bodies. After several years of searching for knowledge and seeking answers to some of life's most complicated questions, I was finally able to utilize my own instincts and intuition to come to several important realizations that have caused me to have a dramatic shift in how I perceive our very own existence as well as our experiences in this physical reality. It was what you can call a culmination. It's not something you can force, and that's only something that I learned after the fact. Without the negative experiences in my life, I never would have found this path. With no adversity in this lifetime, I would continue to be consumed by the false reality that our present day society & culture has shaped for us. I am now thankful for my experiences, even though I now find myself living in a world that is filled with bullshit and feels like a prison. I no longer feel naive, and deceived.

You can call it a spiritual awakening, you can label it whatever you want. It's basically an acknowledgement that these physical bodies we inhabit, and these current lifetimes that we live, are NOT EVERYTHING we will ever know or experience. They are all but a small blip on the radar. A short detour on a never-ending journey. Our ancient ancestors knew this, they would probably tell us that it's human nature to acknowledge this, but this knowledge has since been lost, and we now find ourselves living in an ego-driven world. When a spiritual awakening unleashes itself inside of you, you will never be able to experience anything in the same light as you had done so in the past. It changes everything. It allows you to love, to forgive, to look beyond judgements and labels. The only caveat is that it can make living during these current times increasingly difficult, because it makes everything around you and the current life you might have crafted for yourself, feel so disconnected from nature and everything that is true and pure. When enough people on this earth wake up and come to these realizations, it will create a collective shift that will be contagious, and only then will we be able to proceed in a manner that's compassionate for all living beings (including the earth).

I just wanted to say thank you for your post because I was having an increasingly difficult time trying to put my feelings into words in this very important thread. It was your question and pursuit of knowledge that gave me the impulse & motivation to respond and find a manner to express myself in a way that I hope helps not only you and others, but also helps me in the process.

hf

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