The affidavit in the Zimmerman case fails to justify a second-degree-murder charge. | |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 14540436 United States 04/16/2012 08:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was expecting a manslaughter charge and was really surprised it was 2nd degree murder just based on the few facts the public is privy to. Quoting: January Wolves From what I've read the prosecutor is aggressive but very well respected. Doesn't make sense that she would risk her reputation & re-election by over-shooting on charges if she didn't have some strong evidence that the public, media and Zimmerman's attorneys don't even know about yet. Was searching out legal analysts' opinions on why she went for 2nd degree and several are saying she must have strong evidence the rest of us don't know about. A few of them speculated about what those things might be. I guess it is wait & see. That's a possibility. I wonder why, if she had the evidence though, it wouldn't be in the affidavit? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 14538521 Australia 04/16/2012 08:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To show Zimmerman "profiled" TM, the affidavit said: “During a recorded call to a police dispatcher, Zimmerman ‘made reference to people he felt had committed and gotten away with break-ins in his neighborhood. Later while talking about Martin, he said “these a-----s, they always get away’ and also said “these f----g punks,” Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14540436 The prosecutor is NOT saying there was any racial slur (f'ing coon) and now, in the affidavit confirms Zimmerman said "Those f'ing punks" (in reference to previous robbers always getting away). you would have to be a real fucking moron to confuse 'fucking coons' with 'fucking punks' or at least need to get your ears tested. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 14540436 United States 04/16/2012 08:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The probable cause affidavit which was issued and is the instrument though which a charge of 2nd degree murder is being made, is weak and there are some who say Special Prosecutor Angela Corey is acting in an unethical way... The affidavit issued by Special Prosecutor Angela Corey contains punctuation errors and factual errors. Still that has not stopped her from moving ahead and charging George Zimmerman with 2nd degree murder in the shooting death of Traycon Martin. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 14538521 Australia 04/16/2012 08:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.firearmsandliberty.com] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14540436 The probable cause affidavit which was issued and is the instrument though which a charge of 2nd degree murder is being made, is weak and there are some who say Special Prosecutor Angela Corey is acting in an unethical way... The affidavit issued by Special Prosecutor Angela Corey contains punctuation errors and factual errors. Still that has not stopped her from moving ahead and charging George Zimmerman with 2nd degree murder in the shooting death of Traycon Martin. you would think she actually has some kind of evidence against him Duh!!!!! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 14549862 United States 04/16/2012 08:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.firearmsandliberty.com] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14540436 The probable cause affidavit which was issued and is the instrument though which a charge of 2nd degree murder is being made, is weak and there are some who say Special Prosecutor Angela Corey is acting in an unethical way... The affidavit issued by Special Prosecutor Angela Corey contains punctuation errors and factual errors. Still that has not stopped her from moving ahead and charging George Zimmerman with 2nd degree murder in the shooting death of Traycon Martin. you would think she actually has some kind of evidence against him Duh!!!!! None of your responses make any sense or present any information. Go play somewhere else little boy |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 14538521 Australia 04/16/2012 08:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.firearmsandliberty.com] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14540436 The probable cause affidavit which was issued and is the instrument though which a charge of 2nd degree murder is being made, is weak and there are some who say Special Prosecutor Angela Corey is acting in an unethical way... The affidavit issued by Special Prosecutor Angela Corey contains punctuation errors and factual errors. Still that has not stopped her from moving ahead and charging George Zimmerman with 2nd degree murder in the shooting death of Traycon Martin. you would think she actually has some kind of evidence against him Duh!!!!! None of your responses make any sense or present any information. Go play somewhere else little boy |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 14558572 Australia 04/16/2012 11:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Chest moron not back. How much is GLP paying you to shill on these threads? They clearly condone it. Local FOX Insider: Martin Shot In Back of Head [link to www.breitbart.com] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 14011374 United States 04/17/2012 01:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Your walking around in the evening, and someone follows you in their car for several blocks. What do you do? what do you think? If they get out of their car and approach do you go into friendly conversation mode or self defense mode? Personally myself, I would have thought he was following me to rob me or attack me, and I would go into defense mode when they got out of their vehicle. If you would'nt be afraid of someone following you in a car at night, somethings wrong with you. you cant just follow someone and approach them like that. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5358694 Actually you can follow someone, you can even confront someone you think is doing something illegal. There is no law against driving, or walking/running, down the streets of your gated community. There is no law against talking to someone on the street. As to anyone, like the legal analyst in the media clip above, a 911 dispatcher is just someone who answers the phone. They have no legal authority over you. In this case, the 911 operator said, "Are you following him?.... We don't need you to do that." So even if the 911 operator had authority, he didn't say stop doing that. The affidavit says he was shot in the chest. Forensics should easily be able to tell at which angle and what distance to the body the gun was fired. Blood spatter would show the trajectory of any entry and exit wound. This is a simple case, if the forensics shows Zimmerman under Martin then this case is getting thrown out. If Martin was under Zimmerman then Zimmerman's statement is false, as is the only eye witness to the fight who said Zimmerman was under Martin and Zimmerman will probably accept a plea down to manslaughter. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 14563039 United States 04/17/2012 01:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All these points have already been gone over and over in every other thread. All Trayvon and Zimmerman threads read exactly the same. The same things being said, the same lies being repeated, the same people telling the lies, the same people correcting the lies - while everyone pretends they haven't done this song and dance 50 times before. It would be comical if it wasn't so pathetic |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 13167609 United States 04/17/2012 01:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Haven't you all figured this out yet... Okay... Zimmerman has been charged... They will rush the thing to trial (rush as in it will go to jury within a month before the election) Jury will return a not guilty verdict and then the major metro areas will erupt in race war frenzy coast to coast... Spreading like a wildfire that will make the Rodney king episode look like a church picnic. This is the set up for the catalyst for martial law and the suspension of the election... It is so simple and obvious. Of course the charges are weak.... This is a staged event... Much like the Gifford ruse. They are confident of the publics inability to comprehend, understand or defuse their well-laid plans with rational and critical thinking. Game on. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 14564235 Australia 04/17/2012 02:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Your walking around in the evening, and someone follows you in their car for several blocks. What do you do? what do you think? If they get out of their car and approach do you go into friendly conversation mode or self defense mode? Personally myself, I would have thought he was following me to rob me or attack me, and I would go into defense mode when they got out of their vehicle. If you would'nt be afraid of someone following you in a car at night, somethings wrong with you. you cant just follow someone and approach them like that. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5358694 Actually you can follow someone, you can even confront someone you think is doing something illegal. There is no law against driving, or walking/running, down the streets of your gated community. There is no law against talking to someone on the street. As to anyone, like the legal analyst in the media clip above, a 911 dispatcher is just someone who answers the phone. They have no legal authority over you. In this case, the 911 operator said, "Are you following him?.... We don't need you to do that." So even if the 911 operator had authority, he didn't say stop doing that. The affidavit says he was shot in the chest. Forensics should easily be able to tell at which angle and what distance to the body the gun was fired. Blood spatter would show the trajectory of any entry and exit wound. This is a simple case, if the forensics shows Zimmerman under Martin then this case is getting thrown out. If Martin was under Zimmerman then Zimmerman's statement is false, as is the only eye witness to the fight who said Zimmerman was under Martin and Zimmerman will probably accept a plea down to manslaughter. but the gun hasn't been taken into forensics. strange!! and the two female witnesses claim they saw GZ on top of Trayvon and they also claim they heard TM screaming for help, not GZ. you wish this case would be thrown out but unfortunately for you zimmertards, he's going to jail for murdering an unarmed teen. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 14011374 United States 04/17/2012 02:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Your walking around in the evening, and someone follows you in their car for several blocks. What do you do? what do you think? If they get out of their car and approach do you go into friendly conversation mode or self defense mode? Personally myself, I would have thought he was following me to rob me or attack me, and I would go into defense mode when they got out of their vehicle. If you would'nt be afraid of someone following you in a car at night, somethings wrong with you. you cant just follow someone and approach them like that. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5358694 Actually you can follow someone, you can even confront someone you think is doing something illegal. There is no law against driving, or walking/running, down the streets of your gated community. There is no law against talking to someone on the street. As to anyone, like the legal analyst in the media clip above, a 911 dispatcher is just someone who answers the phone. They have no legal authority over you. In this case, the 911 operator said, "Are you following him?.... We don't need you to do that." So even if the 911 operator had authority, he didn't say stop doing that. The affidavit says he was shot in the chest. Forensics should easily be able to tell at which angle and what distance to the body the gun was fired. Blood spatter would show the trajectory of any entry and exit wound. This is a simple case, if the forensics shows Zimmerman under Martin then this case is getting thrown out. If Martin was under Zimmerman then Zimmerman's statement is false, as is the only eye witness to the fight who said Zimmerman was under Martin and Zimmerman will probably accept a plea down to manslaughter. but the gun hasn't been taken into forensics. strange!! and the two female witnesses claim they saw GZ on top of Trayvon and they also claim they heard TM screaming for help, not GZ. you wish this case would be thrown out but unfortunately for you zimmertards, he's going to jail for murdering an unarmed teen. You don't need the gun to determine the trajectory of the shot or the angle of the blood spatter. The two female witnesses were not witnesses. They were in the back yard or something like that. They only came out after the shot was fired and it was all over. The only witness that saw the fight backed Zimmerman's story, Martin on top, Zimm on bottom yelling for help. The prosecutor has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it is murder and that affidavit would be weak for a manslaughter charge, let alone murder. This case might be thrown out at the next hearing in May it is so weak. If not in May I do expect it to be cleared up just before the elections and riots, possible race war causing marshal law. Yeah, what lovely leaders we elect. Oh yeah, we don't really have a choice of who to elect do we? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 14564235 Australia 04/17/2012 02:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Your walking around in the evening, and someone follows you in their car for several blocks. What do you do? what do you think? If they get out of their car and approach do you go into friendly conversation mode or self defense mode? Personally myself, I would have thought he was following me to rob me or attack me, and I would go into defense mode when they got out of their vehicle. If you would'nt be afraid of someone following you in a car at night, somethings wrong with you. you cant just follow someone and approach them like that. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5358694 Actually you can follow someone, you can even confront someone you think is doing something illegal. There is no law against driving, or walking/running, down the streets of your gated community. There is no law against talking to someone on the street. As to anyone, like the legal analyst in the media clip above, a 911 dispatcher is just someone who answers the phone. They have no legal authority over you. In this case, the 911 operator said, "Are you following him?.... We don't need you to do that." So even if the 911 operator had authority, he didn't say stop doing that. The affidavit says he was shot in the chest. Forensics should easily be able to tell at which angle and what distance to the body the gun was fired. Blood spatter would show the trajectory of any entry and exit wound. This is a simple case, if the forensics shows Zimmerman under Martin then this case is getting thrown out. If Martin was under Zimmerman then Zimmerman's statement is false, as is the only eye witness to the fight who said Zimmerman was under Martin and Zimmerman will probably accept a plea down to manslaughter. but the gun hasn't been taken into forensics. strange!! and the two female witnesses claim they saw GZ on top of Trayvon and they also claim they heard TM screaming for help, not GZ. you wish this case would be thrown out but unfortunately for you zimmertards, he's going to jail for murdering an unarmed teen. You don't need the gun to determine the trajectory of the shot or the angle of the blood spatter. The two female witnesses were not witnesses. They were in the back yard or something like that. They only came out after the shot was fired and it was all over. The only witness that saw the fight backed Zimmerman's story, Martin on top, Zimm on bottom yelling for help. The prosecutor has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it is murder and that affidavit would be weak for a manslaughter charge, let alone murder. This case might be thrown out at the next hearing in May it is so weak. If not in May I do expect it to be cleared up just before the elections and riots, possible race war causing marshal law. Yeah, what lovely leaders we elect. Oh yeah, we don't really have a choice of who to elect do we? how can the cops dtermine anything from that crime wcence when nothing was collected. not the gun, or GZ clothes. as far as the witnesses are concerned, there really are none so why should I take the word of a violent criminal over TM, who has no criminal record? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 14564235 Australia 04/17/2012 02:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Your walking around in the evening, and someone follows you in their car for several blocks. What do you do? what do you think? If they get out of their car and approach do you go into friendly conversation mode or self defense mode? Personally myself, I would have thought he was following me to rob me or attack me, and I would go into defense mode when they got out of their vehicle. If you would'nt be afraid of someone following you in a car at night, somethings wrong with you. you cant just follow someone and approach them like that. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5358694 Actually you can follow someone, you can even confront someone you think is doing something illegal. There is no law against driving, or walking/running, down the streets of your gated community. There is no law against talking to someone on the street. As to anyone, like the legal analyst in the media clip above, a 911 dispatcher is just someone who answers the phone. They have no legal authority over you. In this case, the 911 operator said, "Are you following him?.... We don't need you to do that." So even if the 911 operator had authority, he didn't say stop doing that. The affidavit says he was shot in the chest. Forensics should easily be able to tell at which angle and what distance to the body the gun was fired. Blood spatter would show the trajectory of any entry and exit wound. This is a simple case, if the forensics shows Zimmerman under Martin then this case is getting thrown out. If Martin was under Zimmerman then Zimmerman's statement is false, as is the only eye witness to the fight who said Zimmerman was under Martin and Zimmerman will probably accept a plea down to manslaughter. but the gun hasn't been taken into forensics. strange!! and the two female witnesses claim they saw GZ on top of Trayvon and they also claim they heard TM screaming for help, not GZ. you wish this case would be thrown out but unfortunately for you zimmertards, he's going to jail for murdering an unarmed teen. The two female witnesses were not witnesses. They were in the back yard or something like that. They only came out after the shot was fired and it was all over. The only witness that saw the fight backed Zimmerman's story, Martin on top, Zimm on bottom yelling for help. this is not true. The two female witnessess have been on various teevee shows saying they saw GZ ontop of Trayvon. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 9322299 United States 04/17/2012 02:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | in America you can kill someone, without witnessess, and claim self defence. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14538521 What a cuntry! because in australia... we just let 'em take our shit. LOL @ the little pansy from down under.... you're an idiot. Shut up you stinking abbo |