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Message Subject PROOF JESUS IS NOT GOD THE FATHER !! BUT THE GLORIFIED AND EXALTED SON
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I am a Mormon. Here is what Mormons believe on the matter:

1. GOD is the Eternal Father; the creator of all things, the holder of all knowledge, the one who was responsible for organizing each Intelligence into the soul that we each ARE. (THIS is the concept of eternal progression. Before we were born, we were "spirits/souls". Before we were spirits, we were intelligences. Before we were intelligences, we were something else. EACH OF US is on a journey of progression. The fact that you are here today, and living a human life, means you have already progressed probably 90 percent of your journey.)

2. Jesus Christ was the first begotten in the spirit, AND the first begotten in the flesh. This means that FIRST, Christ was the first intelligence organized into a spirit by God the Father. Lucifer (Satan) was the second intelligence organized into a spirit, and he is referred to as a "son of the morning". SECOND, we believe that Jesus was LITERALLY the offspring of God the Father in the flesh; FIRST begotten in the flesh. Mary was overcome by the spirit of the Lord, and she was made pregnant. Many cannot fathom this belief, associating it with perversion or with an evil of sorts, BUT, if indeed Mary was the most pure on the earth at that time capable of bearing a physical child, and the sole purpose of that child's life would be to live a human/mortal life with both the tendencies of MORTALITY AND TEMPTATION, and also THE POWER OF GOD, it is in this manner that Christ may judge us with full authority; because not only will Christ preside over the judgement with the authority of God the Father, he also has the experience and knowledge of having lived and been subject to a HUMAN LIFE of MORTALITY AND TEMPTATION, and in this manner he may judge all of us with complete fairness; for he himself experienced the same things we all have.

3. The "Holy Ghost" or Holy Spirit is a third, non-corporeal being that to now, has not been born, has not received a physical body (which he will ultimately, at some point, in God's time and according to his plan) which is a requirement of all men and women to achieve God's plan for us; to have a time of mortal probation, and to be judged according to our faithfulness and obedience. I hesitate to say we will be judged on our 'actions and deeds' because those same actions and deeds are directly related to how faithful and obedient we are to the Lord.

SO, in closing, according to the doctrines of the Mormon Church, GOD is the Father. Jesus Christ is the Son. The Holy Ghost is a spiritual being who we hold is the "other comforter" promised after Jesus Christ's resurrection; the gift of the Holy Ghost is offered to all men by God.

All three are the same in purpose; to bring about the immortality and the joy of man. A Trinity in purpose.

NOT a Trinity of three distinct 'attributes' that make up one overall supreme "being". Three individual, distinct, personages (two of them physical beings - God the Father, and the resurrected Jesus Christ - and the Holy Ghost, a spiritual being, who will one day receive a physical body and be born to fulfill that spirit's obligation to endure a mortal probation to bring about his opportunity at salvation the same as our opportunity we have now; although I believe that the Holy Ghost will be afforded a much different path than we have now.

Hope this helps you in your studies and quests.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1461956


This is why Mormonism is a Cult.
The very idea:

that Jesus has not always been eternal.
That Satan and Jesus are coequal.

It is blasphemy. Throw your wicked Book of Mormon in the trash and believe in the True Jesus and not some myth of Joseph Smiths making. He is in hell as I speak and you will be to unless you leave that cult!

Do you not believe the Bible is the true word of God? If you truly do you would believe this also.

Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1838356


In response to your questions/accusations, In order:

We are ALL eternal. We also eternally Progress. In short we 'were' before we 'are'.

Jesus, Lucifer, you, me, we are ALL equals in spirit; this requires a knowledge of purpose of mortality, the purpose of the earth, and the Plan of Salvation put forth to redeem us all. Before the earth was made, after we had all been begotten as spirits, we loved God and wanted to be like him. God had a glorified, physical body of flesh and bone. A plan was devised where a home would be prapared for us (the earth), where we would be born, be tested as to our obedience to the laws and ordinances of God, and return to him based on our worthiness. Jesus set forth a plan where all mankind would have the free agency to do right or wrong, and those redeemed would have the glory for it given to God. Lucifer set forth a plan where all souls would be forced to obey the laws and ordinances of God, so that no soul would be lost, and the glory for the redemption of all mankind be given to Lucifer. God chose the plan set forth by Jesus, as it is an eternal principle that men should have free will. A war in heaven was fought, with Lucifer and 1/3 of the hosts of heaven cast down to earth and would never attain a mortal or physical state. A mortal "probation" is required to fully be tested of our willingness to follow God's plan. So, in the beginning, Jesus, Lucifer, you, me, and everyone else were equals in a sense; but through free will, most of us did not offer a plan or were in agreement with Jesus or Lucifer. Because you are alive today, you sided with Christ's plan in the pre-existence. Because of his place as the First begotten in the spirit and his place as the architect of our salvation, he was chosen to be born into mortality as the PHYSICAL son of God also, giving him certain power and authority of God in the Flesh.

The bible is true and is the word of God; however we believe that when the King James Bible was put together, there were many truths left out that should have remained as a part of Christ's gospel, and also misinterpretations. We also believe that the Book of Mormon is also the word of God, specifically as a SECOND witness of Christ. There are gospel messages and Christ's teachings in the Book of Mormon as well, although most of it is a record of the history of the Nephites and Lamanites.

You are absolutely correct in the fact that the book of Revelation should not be added to or taken away from. This admonition applies to the book of Revelation only; keep in mind that when the Bible was originally compiled, that manuscript stood alone. It was placed in the order it was by men; that warning applies to the book of Revelation, not the Bible as a whole. Any more questions?
 
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