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Message Subject PROOF JESUS IS NOT GOD THE FATHER !! BUT THE GLORIFIED AND EXALTED SON
Poster Handle Neim-Ya'shar
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I am saying that "Jesus" (to be honest, I prefer Messiah because of how the name Jesus came to be makes me uncomfortable) is not God, "Jesus" lived fully the will of God. So in a way yes. He is One with the Father in that God worked through him fully. He fully knew and lived the mind and will of God.

If Messiah had been God, he would not have had to have been baptized in water nor would He have had to receive the Holy Spirit, would he?

He is the Son. He is the Son in that He came in the flesh, but did not live by the flesh.

He fully lived the will of God because he subdued his carnal spirit, the spirit of man, and instead lived as God instructed Him to via the Holy Spirit.

This is why he says to the apostles to wait to receive the Holy spirit and that they will do many of the same things He did and even greater because it will be God and the Holy Spirit working through them as well.

Messiah came to teach us by example he showed that we can lead a life free from sin but in order to do so we must believe Him (not believe "in" or worship) and His teachings.

You do not know the Father by Worshiping messiah; You come to the Father through Messiah by living the way Messiah taught us to.

He teaches that upon submitting to God, we can receive the Holy Spirit and through the Holy Spirit we will be shown the errors of our ways over time allowing us to repent each one, crucify it and replace that part of our carnal spirit with more of the Holy Spirit. Only when we are living by only the Holy Spirit and have crucified (suppressed) our carnal Spirit can we find salvation and live in the Kingdom of God as a son of God both here and now (hence him saying "this generation) and in the New Jerusalem. It is a choice we need to make every time we we are tempted by our carnal nature and each time you put a sin aside and instead live by his will, that sin of the carnal nature weakens it's hold on us. This is what He means by taking up our own cross.

Don't you see that that is what the New Jerusalem is? It is the freedom of living in the Spirit. Freedom from sin. Freedom of the fear of making the wrong choices, Freedom from the despair caused by the repercussions of sinful actions. The more you sin, the more sin comes to you and the inverse is true as well. The more you put aside your carnal nature and are obedient to Him, the less hold that carnality has on you.

Asking Messiah, God or the Spirit into your heart is NOT your salvation. Messiah came to give us HOPE of salvation and showed us how. It is an ongoing process that He has written a syllabubs out for you and each person will learn what he needs as he needs it directly from Him when you fully submit and ask God to take control and show you the way rather than my living in "the world" and being driven by your own carnal spirit which has selfish wants and needs.


Messiah removed the middleman. He removed the Pharisees, the Pastors and the priests and brought us closer to the relationship we had with God before Moses and gave us the hope and showed us how we can repair the personal relationship that Adam and Eve had with Him before they fell, the state we were created to live in. He came to give us the hope and the way to attain a full and personal relationship with God that transcends yet fulfills scripture. He tells us how to reunite with our Father because each of us is the prodigal son.
 Quoting: Buddaroll

you have some interesting points good for conversation.

I would shudder, if I were you, to declare that Messiah is not the Mighty I AM.

And,ask for forgiveness.
 Quoting: Shamar


you should be shuddering he is right and you should be looking for forgiveness..Messiah is the LIVING WORD of the I AM
 
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