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Clever Sillies - Why the high IQ lack common sense

 
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In previous editorials I have written about the absent-minded and socially-inept ‘nutty professor’ stereotype in science, and the phenomenon of ‘psychological neoteny’ whereby intelligent modern people (including scientists) decline to grow-up and instead remain in a state of perpetual novelty-seeking adolescence. These can be seen as specific examples of the general phenomenon of ‘clever sillies’ whereby intelligent people with high levels of technical ability are seen (by the majority of the rest of the population) as having foolish ideas and behaviours outside the realm of their professional expertise. In short, it has often been observed that high IQ types are lacking in ‘common sense’ – and especially when it comes to dealing with other human beings. General intelligence is not just a cognitive ability; it is also a cognitive disposition. So, the greater cognitive abilities of higher IQ tend also to be accompanied by a distinctive high IQ personality type including the trait of ‘Openness to experience’, ‘enlightened’ or progressive left-wing political values, and atheism. Drawing on the ideas of Kanazawa, my suggested explanation for this association between intelligence and personality is that an increasing relative level of IQ brings with it a tendency differentially to over-use general intelligence in problem-solving, and to over-ride those instinctive and spontaneous forms of evolved behaviour which could be termed common sense. Preferential use of abstract analysis is often useful when dealing with the many evolutionary novelties to be found in modernizing societies; but is not usually useful for dealing with social and psychological problems for which humans have evolved ‘domain-specific’ adaptive behaviours. And since evolved common sense usually produces the right answers in the social domain; this implies that, when it comes to solving social problems, the most intelligent people are more likely than those of average intelligence to have novel but silly ideas, and therefore to believe and behave maladaptively. I further suggest that this random silliness of the most intelligent people may be amplified to generate systematic wrongness when intellectuals are in addition ‘advertising’ their own high intelligence in the evolutionarily novel context of a modern IQ meritocracy. The cognitively-stratified context of communicating almost-exclusively with others of similar intelligence, generates opinions and behaviours among the highest IQ people which are not just lacking in common sense but perversely wrong. Hence the phenomenon of ‘political correctness’ (PC); whereby false and foolish ideas have come to dominate, and moralistically be enforced upon, the ruling elites of whole nations.

[link to medicalhypotheses.blogspot.com]
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Is this a theory? Or a documented fact?
Let me see if I get this right, in summary.

Smart people can handle technical issues fine. But because of their intelligence and use of abstract analysis, they over think a social issue and give a foolish or silly answer? And that common sense is an evolved behavior.

Have you considered that intelligent people may act silly In social situations because their perception of the situation is also different. Maybe common sense to someone of a lower IQ means something different than it does to a high IQ? Maybe the ideas only seem foolish or wrong to low IQ, because they can't understand how the high IQ sees it.

I'll check out the link too. Pretty fascinating read so far.
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Is this a theory? Or a documented fact?
Let me see if I get this right, in summary.

Smart people can handle technical issues fine. But because of their intelligence and use of abstract analysis, they over think a social issue and give a foolish or silly answer? And that common sense is an evolved behavior.

Have you considered that intelligent people may act silly In social situations because their perception of the situation is also different. Maybe common sense to someone of a lower IQ means something different than it does to a high IQ? Maybe the ideas only seem foolish or wrong to low IQ, because they can't understand how the high IQ sees it.

I'll check out the link too. Pretty fascinating read so far.
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Thank you for comment.

Lower IQ people may use more their animal senses in social situations, and "live in the moment". When high IQ people think forward and may want to avoid something which they know has caused trouble for them or to others. So they can override the animal side. And this may make others wonder, when their tricks don't make high IQ people fall up to their traps, when usually that manipulation works to low IQ people.

Just babbling something...
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Two words. Usefull idiots.
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Two words. Usefull idiots.
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If average people have "common sense".. then why the fuck are we in this lousy position.. ?.. Common sense used to mean something different.. now it means "I won't notice too much" I'll have to over think the situation if I do.. and I don't have that ability..
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Right. So intelligent people are left-wing progressives that are generally superior? In the US, that means they're Democrats right?

ok. Got it.

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Paragraphs are our friends.

Who ever wrote than needs to start using them.

The absentmindedness comes from the focus of the IQ person on the problems in their head, not on the problems of day to day life.

As for social ability, they lack training. Most spending their youth either with their nose in a book or experimenting with stuff and too were so involved in what they were pursuing, they were absentminded and ridiculed by their peers, thus pushed further from socialization.

Who ever wrote this article failed to take up basic psychology or they would understand the underlying issues at work.
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Is this a theory? Or a documented fact?
Let me see if I get this right, in summary.

Smart people can handle technical issues fine. But because of their intelligence and use of abstract analysis, they over think a social issue and give a foolish or silly answer? And that common sense is an evolved behavior.

Have you considered that intelligent people may act silly In social situations because their perception of the situation is also different. Maybe common sense to someone of a lower IQ means something different than it does to a high IQ? Maybe the ideas only seem foolish or wrong to low IQ, because they can't understand how the high IQ sees it.

I'll check out the link too. Pretty fascinating read so far.
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Thank you for comment.

Lower IQ people may use more their animal senses in social situations, and "live in the moment". When high IQ people think forward and may want to avoid something which they know has caused trouble for them or to others. So they can override the animal side. And this may make others wonder, when their tricks don't make high IQ people fall up to their traps, when usually that manipulation works to low IQ people.

Just babbling something...
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That was my reply. Forgot to login.

I see where you're going with this. Pretty interesting. I hope more people chime in here. Curious to see what different people think about this.
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Your next editorial should delve into how paragraph structure makes reading easier.

Here I'll start it for you...
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Paragraphs are our friends.
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Perhaps he was making a point - demonstrating his lack of common sense as a high IQ person by omitting paragraphs?
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This thread is high silliness, of course.

Ramblings of a projector with repeater phraseology...
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In previous editorials I have written about the absent-minded and socially-inept ‘nutty professor’ stereotype in science, and the phenomenon of ‘psychological neoteny’ whereby intelligent modern people (including scientists) decline to grow-up and instead remain in a state of perpetual novelty-seeking adolescence. These can be seen as specific examples of the general phenomenon of ‘clever sillies’ whereby intelligent people with high levels of technical ability are seen (by the majority of the rest of the population) as having foolish ideas and behaviours outside the realm of their professional expertise. In short, it has often been observed that high IQ types are lacking in ‘common sense’ – and especially when it comes to dealing with other human beings. General intelligence is not just a cognitive ability; it is also a cognitive disposition. So, the greater cognitive abilities of higher IQ tend also to be accompanied by a distinctive high IQ personality type including the trait of ‘Openness to experience’, ‘enlightened’ or progressive left-wing political values, and atheism. Drawing on the ideas of Kanazawa, my suggested explanation for this association between intelligence and personality is that an increasing relative level of IQ brings with it a tendency differentially to over-use general intelligence in problem-solving, and to over-ride those instinctive and spontaneous forms of evolved behaviour which could be termed common sense. Preferential use of abstract analysis is often useful when dealing with the many evolutionary novelties to be found in modernizing societies; but is not usually useful for dealing with social and psychological problems for which humans have evolved ‘domain-specific’ adaptive behaviours. And since evolved common sense usually produces the right answers in the social domain; this implies that, when it comes to solving social problems, the most intelligent people are more likely than those of average intelligence to have novel but silly ideas, and therefore to believe and behave maladaptively. I further suggest that this random silliness of the most intelligent people may be amplified to generate systematic wrongness when intellectuals are in addition ‘advertising’ their own high intelligence in the evolutionarily novel context of a modern IQ meritocracy. The cognitively-stratified context of communicating almost-exclusively with others of similar intelligence, generates opinions and behaviours among the highest IQ people which are not just lacking in common sense but perversely wrong. Hence the phenomenon of ‘political correctness’ (PC); whereby false and foolish ideas have come to dominate, and moralistically be enforced upon, the ruling elites of whole nations.

[link to medicalhypotheses.blogspot.com]
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Have you heard of the Dunning-Kruger effect?
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability much higher than average. This bias is attributed to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their mistakes.[1]

Actual competence may weaken self-confidence, as competent individuals may falsely assume that others have an equivalent understanding. As Kruger and Dunning conclude, "the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others" (p. 1127).[2]"
............

It works both ways. The stupid are loud and obnoxious, because they are to dense to realize this and the highly intelligent is often over thinking things and being very critical of themselves, causing for instance shyness etc.
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from what i can see about alot of smart people, is they have the my way or the highway attitude. especially in science, stubborn mofos. if it goes against what they believe, even with evidence, they will have no part in it. its really frustrating to watch them act like little kids.
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In previous editorials I have written about the absent-minded and socially-inept ‘nutty professor’ stereotype in science, and the phenomenon of ‘psychological neoteny’ whereby intelligent modern people (including scientists) decline to grow-up and instead remain in a state of perpetual novelty-seeking adolescence. These can be seen as specific examples of the general phenomenon of ‘clever sillies’ whereby intelligent people with high levels of technical ability are seen (by the majority of the rest of the population) as having foolish ideas and behaviours outside the realm of their professional expertise. In short, it has often been observed that high IQ types are lacking in ‘common sense’ – and especially when it comes to dealing with other human beings. General intelligence is not just a cognitive ability; it is also a cognitive disposition. So, the greater cognitive abilities of higher IQ tend also to be accompanied by a distinctive high IQ personality type including the trait of ‘Openness to experience’, ‘enlightened’ or progressive left-wing political values, and atheism. Drawing on the ideas of Kanazawa, my suggested explanation for this association between intelligence and personality is that an increasing relative level of IQ brings with it a tendency differentially to over-use general intelligence in problem-solving, and to over-ride those instinctive and spontaneous forms of evolved behaviour which could be termed common sense. Preferential use of abstract analysis is often useful when dealing with the many evolutionary novelties to be found in modernizing societies; but is not usually useful for dealing with social and psychological problems for which humans have evolved ‘domain-specific’ adaptive behaviours. And since evolved common sense usually produces the right answers in the social domain; this implies that, when it comes to solving social problems, the most intelligent people are more likely than those of average intelligence to have novel but silly ideas, and therefore to believe and behave maladaptively. I further suggest that this random silliness of the most intelligent people may be amplified to generate systematic wrongness when intellectuals are in addition ‘advertising’ their own high intelligence in the evolutionarily novel context of a modern IQ meritocracy. The cognitively-stratified context of communicating almost-exclusively with others of similar intelligence, generates opinions and behaviours among the highest IQ people which are not just lacking in common sense but perversely wrong. Hence the phenomenon of ‘political correctness’ (PC); whereby false and foolish ideas have come to dominate, and moralistically be enforced upon, the ruling elites of whole nations.

[link to medicalhypotheses.blogspot.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14654903


Have you heard of the Dunning-Kruger effect?
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability much higher than average. This bias is attributed to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their mistakes.[1]

Actual competence may weaken self-confidence, as competent individuals may falsely assume that others have an equivalent understanding. As Kruger and Dunning conclude, "the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others" (p. 1127).[2]"
............

It works both ways. The stupid are loud and obnoxious, because they are to dense to realize this and the highly intelligent is often over thinking things and being very critical of themselves, causing for instance shyness etc.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11215715


Interesting. I guess an example of this would be the asshole or the ugly guy with the really hot girlfriend?




from what i can see about alot of smart people, is they have the my way or the highway attitude. especially in science, stubborn mofos. if it goes against what they believe, even with evidence, they will have no part in it. its really frustrating to watch them act like little kids.
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I would disagree with this. I curious though, how are you qualifying them as being smart? Is it because of their social or professional status? Test scores? Or merely by their devotion to their beliefs and the facts they use to support those beliefs?

Confucius says, a wise man can learn more from a fool, than a fool can learn from a wise man...
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Are you, perhaps, confusing those with a high IQ, with those with a higher level degree? I know lots of people with Phd's.

An idiot with a Phd is still an idiot.

I know no one with a Phd that has a lick of sense. However, they do tend to mouth off quite a bit.
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In previous editorials I have written about the absent-minded and socially-inept ‘nutty professor’ stereotype in science,
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What a strange hobby you have. Surely there are more interesting and less cliche things to analyze.

and the phenomenon of ‘psychological neoteny’ whereby intelligent modern people (including scientists) decline to grow-up and instead remain in a state of perpetual novelty-seeking adolescence.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14654903


Do you mean the "beginner's mind" approach? No one ever broke new ground by doing the same things everyone else is doing.


These can be seen as specific examples of the general phenomenon of ‘clever sillies’ whereby intelligent people with high levels of technical ability are seen (by the majority of the rest of the population) as having foolish ideas and behaviours outside the realm of their professional expertise.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14654903


Have you taken a scientific poll to prove this? Just because Joe Average on the street doesn't understand the actions of someone brighter and almost certainly involved in activities Joe also doesn't understand, does not mean the bright person's behavior is "silly" or "foolish." It just means Joe doesn't understand it (and rather than try, rushes to judge, perhaps?).

In short, it has often been observed that high IQ types are lacking in ‘common sense’ – and especially when it comes to dealing with other human beings.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14654903


You're mixing up IQ and EQ. I've known more people with average and below average IQs who demonstrated low EQ than intelligent people. Genuinely intelligent people generally find a way to compensate if they have EQ issues.

I will qualify this by saying there are many pseudo-intellectuals (over represented in academic environments) whose ego drives them to act snobbish about their education and overreach their actual intellectual ability; this behavior is a manifestation of a narcissistic personality trait and therefore falls into the realm of abnormal psychology. This aberrant type should not be included in any generalization about intelligent people.

General intelligence is not just a cognitive ability; it is also a cognitive disposition. So, the greater cognitive abilities of higher IQ tend also to be accompanied by a distinctive high IQ personality type including the trait of ‘Openness to experience’, ‘enlightened’ or progressive left-wing political values, and atheism.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14654903


I object entirely to the construction of this set of characteristics, as these are highly biased and subjective. Would "openness to experience" require one to skydive or take hallucinogens to qualify? Who can define "enlightened"? And I know plenty of very intelligent conservatives with functioning God-consciousness who can quickly deconstruct liberal and atheistic biases.

Drawing on the ideas of Kanazawa, my suggested explanation for this association between intelligence and personality is that an increasing relative level of IQ brings with it a tendency differentially to over-use general intelligence in problem-solving, and to over-ride those instinctive and spontaneous forms of evolved behaviour which could be termed common sense.
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Drawing away sharply from a painful stimulus is an instinctive and spontaneous (no thinking required) behavior that can be emulated by lower forms of life with only a ganglia for a brain. Unless your peer group consists of flatworms, your argument is empty.

BTW, Kanazawa appears to be on the way toward being discredited and unemployed: "Kanazawa has been a fierce opponent of what he considers political correctness. Much of his work is not considered mainstream evolutionary psychology. In response to ongoing controversy, his current employer, the London School of Economics, has prohibited him from publishing in non-peer-reviewed outlets for 12 months." [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Preferential use of abstract analysis is often useful when dealing with the many evolutionary novelties to be found in modernizing societies; but is not usually useful for dealing with social and psychological problems for which humans have evolved ‘domain-specific’ adaptive behaviours.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14654903


When a male acts gangsta or a female dumbs herself down to win social approval, these are "domain-specific adaptive behaviors." Would you call these decisions "common sense" or do they more closely resemble behaviors where absence of abstract thinking has caused a person to make a dumb choice that is likely to cause them trouble?

And since evolved common sense usually produces the right answers in the social domain; this implies that, when it comes to solving social problems, the most intelligent people are more likely than those of average intelligence to have novel but silly ideas, and therefore to believe and behave maladaptively.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14654903


This looks like a premature and largely unsupported conclusion. It also looks like a run-on sentence. Is this going in your dissertation? Define "evolved common sense." Are you proposing a genetic hypothesis of intelligence?

I further suggest that this random silliness of the most intelligent people may be amplified to generate systematic wrongness when intellectuals are in addition ‘advertising’ their own high intelligence in the evolutionarily novel context of a modern IQ meritocracy.
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The intellectuals I know practice recreational random silliness as a way to stay grounded. Witness Monty Python, which managed to be both very intellectual and very silly. I have to ask - did you download a list of $5 words and put them in a blender to write this?

"Modern IQ meritocracy" is a complete myth. If true intellectual meritocracy existed, the academic style of writing (such as you put on display here) would be an automatic disqualifier for being taken seriously. If a thing cannot be said simply, the person doing the explaining doesn't understand what they're trying to explain and has resorted to the "baffle them with bullshit" strategy. As a counter example, Michio Kaku understands physics, therefore he can explain it using short sentences using words most people know. If an IQ meritocracy existed, you also would not have brilliant engineers working at Home Depot and driving taxis because their jobs have been shipped to China by CEOs who don't know when to keep their pants on, or high-IQ students barred from entering college because they are from the wrong family.

"Systematic wrongness" is much more often generated by pseudo-intellectual academics who overreach their actual intellectual ability in positions that set policy. Witness government.

The cognitively-stratified context of communicating almost-exclusively with others of similar intelligence, generates opinions and behaviours among the highest IQ people which are not just lacking in common sense but perversely wrong.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14654903


When hyphens attack... Where do you get the idea that intellectuals only communicate meaningfully with other intellectuals? Real intellectual powerhouses know that new insights are rarely found within their peer group, and the people who do the real work in an organization know best what's working and what needs fixing. [link to philcooke.com]

Hence the phenomenon of ‘political correctness’ (PC); whereby false and foolish ideas have come to dominate, and moralistically be enforced upon, the ruling elites of whole nations.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14654903


Who do you think came up with "political correctness"? Here's a clue: the more obnoxious and invasive the PC attitude, the more likely the bearer of that attitude considers themselves to be open to experience, enlightened, atheistic left-wing political progressives. And if you have followed my explanation so far, these are the one with the narcissistic personality disorder and are not true intellectuals. BTW, the "ruling elites of whole nations" are the poster children for narcissistic personality disorder with concomitant perversity, and highly efficient in the production of systematic wrongness with which they plague the entire world. Research "Illuminati" and "NWO" right here on GLP.
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Re: Clever Sillies - Why the high IQ lack common sense
In previous editorials I have written about the absent-minded and socially-inept ‘nutty professor’ stereotype in science,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14654903


What a strange hobby you have. Surely there are more interesting and less cliche things to analyze.

and the phenomenon of ‘psychological neoteny’ whereby intelligent modern people (including scientists) decline to grow-up and instead remain in a state of perpetual novelty-seeking adolescence.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14654903


Do you mean the "beginner's mind" approach? No one ever broke new ground by doing the same things everyone else is doing.


These can be seen as specific examples of the general phenomenon of ‘clever sillies’ whereby intelligent people with high levels of technical ability are seen (by the majority of the rest of the population) as having foolish ideas and behaviours outside the realm of their professional expertise.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14654903


Have you taken a scientific poll to prove this? Just because Joe Average on the street doesn't understand the actions of someone brighter and almost certainly involved in activities Joe also doesn't understand, does not mean the bright person's behavior is "silly" or "foolish." It just means Joe doesn't understand it (and rather than try, rushes to judge, perhaps?).

In short, it has often been observed that high IQ types are lacking in ‘common sense’ – and especially when it comes to dealing with other human beings.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14654903


You're mixing up IQ and EQ. I've known more people with average and below average IQs who demonstrated low EQ than intelligent people. Genuinely intelligent people generally find a way to compensate if they have EQ issues.

I will qualify this by saying there are many pseudo-intellectuals (over represented in academic environments) whose ego drives them to act snobbish about their education and overreach their actual intellectual ability; this behavior is a manifestation of a narcissistic personality trait and therefore falls into the realm of abnormal psychology. This aberrant type should not be included in any generalization about intelligent people.

General intelligence is not just a cognitive ability; it is also a cognitive disposition. So, the greater cognitive abilities of higher IQ tend also to be accompanied by a distinctive high IQ personality type including the trait of ‘Openness to experience’, ‘enlightened’ or progressive left-wing political values, and atheism.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14654903


I object entirely to the construction of this set of characteristics, as these are highly biased and subjective. Would "openness to experience" require one to skydive or take hallucinogens to qualify? Who can define "enlightened"? And I know plenty of very intelligent conservatives with functioning God-consciousness who can quickly deconstruct liberal and atheistic biases.

Drawing on the ideas of Kanazawa, my suggested explanation for this association between intelligence and personality is that an increasing relative level of IQ brings with it a tendency differentially to over-use general intelligence in problem-solving, and to over-ride those instinctive and spontaneous forms of evolved behaviour which could be termed common sense.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14654903


Drawing away sharply from a painful stimulus is an instinctive and spontaneous (no thinking required) behavior that can be emulated by lower forms of life with only a ganglia for a brain. Unless your peer group consists of flatworms, your argument is empty.

BTW, Kanazawa appears to be on the way toward being discredited and unemployed: "Kanazawa has been a fierce opponent of what he considers political correctness. Much of his work is not considered mainstream evolutionary psychology. In response to ongoing controversy, his current employer, the London School of Economics, has prohibited him from publishing in non-peer-reviewed outlets for 12 months." [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Preferential use of abstract analysis is often useful when dealing with the many evolutionary novelties to be found in modernizing societies; but is not usually useful for dealing with social and psychological problems for which humans have evolved ‘domain-specific’ adaptive behaviours.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14654903


When a male acts gangsta or a female dumbs herself down to win social approval, these are "domain-specific adaptive behaviors." Would you call these decisions "common sense" or do they more closely resemble behaviors where absence of abstract thinking has caused a person to make a dumb choice that is likely to cause them trouble?

And since evolved common sense usually produces the right answers in the social domain; this implies that, when it comes to solving social problems, the most intelligent people are more likely than those of average intelligence to have novel but silly ideas, and therefore to believe and behave maladaptively.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14654903


This looks like a premature and largely unsupported conclusion. It also looks like a run-on sentence. Is this going in your dissertation? Define "evolved common sense." Are you proposing a genetic hypothesis of intelligence?

I further suggest that this random silliness of the most intelligent people may be amplified to generate systematic wrongness when intellectuals are in addition ‘advertising’ their own high intelligence in the evolutionarily novel context of a modern IQ meritocracy.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14654903


The intellectuals I know practice recreational random silliness as a way to stay grounded. Witness Monty Python, which managed to be both very intellectual and very silly. I have to ask - did you download a list of $5 words and put them in a blender to write this?

"Modern IQ meritocracy" is a complete myth. If true intellectual meritocracy existed, the academic style of writing (such as you put on display here) would be an automatic disqualifier for being taken seriously. If a thing cannot be said simply, the person doing the explaining doesn't understand what they're trying to explain and has resorted to the "baffle them with bullshit" strategy. As a counter example, Michio Kaku understands physics, therefore he can explain it using short sentences using words most people know. If an IQ meritocracy existed, you also would not have brilliant engineers working at Home Depot and driving taxis because their jobs have been shipped to China by CEOs who don't know when to keep their pants on, or high-IQ students barred from entering college because they are from the wrong family.

"Systematic wrongness" is much more often generated by pseudo-intellectual academics who overreach their actual intellectual ability in positions that set policy. Witness government.

The cognitively-stratified context of communicating almost-exclusively with others of similar intelligence, generates opinions and behaviours among the highest IQ people which are not just lacking in common sense but perversely wrong.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14654903


When hyphens attack... Where do you get the idea that intellectuals only communicate meaningfully with other intellectuals? Real intellectual powerhouses know that new insights are rarely found within their peer group, and the people who do the real work in an organization know best what's working and what needs fixing. [link to philcooke.com]

Hence the phenomenon of ‘political correctness’ (PC); whereby false and foolish ideas have come to dominate, and moralistically be enforced upon, the ruling elites of whole nations.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14654903


Who do you think came up with "political correctness"? Here's a clue: the more obnoxious and invasive the PC attitude, the more likely the bearer of that attitude considers themselves to be open to experience, enlightened, atheistic left-wing political progressives. And if you have followed my explanation so far, these are the one with the narcissistic personality disorder and are not true intellectuals. BTW, the "ruling elites of whole nations" are the poster children for narcissistic personality disorder with concomitant perversity, and highly efficient in the production of systematic wrongness with which they plague the entire world. Research "Illuminati" and "NWO" right here on GLP.
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This is what I was hoping to read when I came back here.

bravo
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I concur.

Narcissistic Personality Disorder should not be confused with high intellect.

The appearance of being 'smart' is not the reality of being 'smart'.
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Re: Clever Sillies - Why the high IQ lack common sense
In previous editorials I have written about the absent-minded and socially-inept ‘nutty professor’ stereotype in science, and the phenomenon of ‘psychological neoteny’ whereby intelligent modern people (including scientists) decline to grow-up and instead remain in a state of perpetual novelty-seeking adolescence. These can be seen as specific examples of the general phenomenon of ‘clever sillies’ whereby intelligent people with high levels of technical ability are seen (by the majority of the rest of the population) as having foolish ideas and behaviours outside the realm of their professional expertise. In short, it has often been observed that high IQ types are lacking in ‘common sense’ – and especially when it comes to dealing with other human beings. General intelligence is not just a cognitive ability; it is also a cognitive disposition. So, the greater cognitive abilities of higher IQ tend also to be accompanied by a distinctive high IQ personality type including the trait of ‘Openness to experience’, ‘enlightened’ or progressive left-wing political values, and atheism. Drawing on the ideas of Kanazawa, my suggested explanation for this association between intelligence and personality is that an increasing relative level of IQ brings with it a tendency differentially to over-use general intelligence in problem-solving, and to over-ride those instinctive and spontaneous forms of evolved behaviour which could be termed common sense. Preferential use of abstract analysis is often useful when dealing with the many evolutionary novelties to be found in modernizing societies; but is not usually useful for dealing with social and psychological problems for which humans have evolved ‘domain-specific’ adaptive behaviours. And since evolved common sense usually produces the right answers in the social domain; this implies that, when it comes to solving social problems, the most intelligent people are more likely than those of average intelligence to have novel but silly ideas, and therefore to believe and behave maladaptively. I further suggest that this random silliness of the most intelligent people may be amplified to generate systematic wrongness when intellectuals are in addition ‘advertising’ their own high intelligence in the evolutionarily novel context of a modern IQ meritocracy. The cognitively-stratified context of communicating almost-exclusively with others of similar intelligence, generates opinions and behaviours among the highest IQ people which are not just lacking in common sense but perversely wrong. Hence the phenomenon of ‘political correctness’ (PC); whereby false and foolish ideas have come to dominate, and moralistically be enforced upon, the ruling elites of whole nations.

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First, the myth that high IQ people lack common sense is spread by lower IQ people because they are simply jealous. There's nothing else to that. Dumbasses have to say SOMETHING to deflect attention from their ignorance and stupidity, so, they parrot the line "yeah, they're smart but they don't have no common sense..." I look at social situations every day involving very smart people and very stupid people. The stupid ones bring their stupidity to the table every single time. Nothing more lacking in common sense than that.
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Re: Clever Sillies - Why the high IQ lack common sense
from what i can see about alot of smart people, is they have the my way or the highway attitude. especially in science, stubborn mofos. if it goes against what they believe, even with evidence, they will have no part in it. its really frustrating to watch them act like little kids.
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Re: Clever Sillies - Why the high IQ lack common sense
well I have to say that despite my Ultra high IQ
you are Incorrect and feel compelled to correspond

No shiite you are just jealous of higher IQ individuals
its clearly a matter of perspective. with your limited Judgemental latitude oh silly me that would be my latitude

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