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# The Secret Of Magnetism - Spin

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04/20/2012 06:27 AM
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I'm sharing this information so electrical engineers and physists can see what is right under their noses yet never makes it into the academic physics doctrine.

It's oh so simple whe you understand this proof.

So here it is:

Magnetism is the result of zero point field spin.
Zero point spin is generated by the movement of electrons.

Think of a river flowing with two horizontal water wheels dipping into that river. The river is equivalent to electricity in a wire.

Now naturally since the wheels are on opposite sides of the river they will be rotating in opposite directions. The spin in opposite directions generates your north and south poles at the axis of rotation. The electicity in the wire is dragging the ether field along the wire and creating the spinning eddy currents. the eddy currents are the waterwheels in the river analogy.

So north and south poles are identical in nature. The only difference is that they spin in opposite directions.

Now this is why two south poles or two north poles repel each other. Take two wheels spinning in the same directions and try to touch them together. What happens? They repulse each other. But if you touch two wheels spinning in opposite directions they can touch and spin in harmony. The is why N and S poles attract.

A wire with electricty flowing through it will generate spinning ZPE fields in opposite directions on each side of the wire. The difference between these spinning eddy currents and the water wheels is that the spin of the ZPE fields from the eddy currents on opposite sides of the wire overlap and interfere with each other. The interference pattern the two spinning overlapping fields create are the magnetic flux lines.

This is why magnetic flux lines can't really be changes and are fixed. Because the flux lines are the result of an interference pattern.

You can prove this by representing the opposite spinning fields with radial lines drawn out from the axis of rotation. like spokes on a bicycle wheel. if you overlap the two spinning fields you will see an exact magnetic flux line pattern emerge! there is a animation somewhere of this online of two overlapped radial wheels spinning creating the magnetic flux patterns. though the animator didnt' realize what he is showing. I will try to find and link it.

This explains why magnetic fields are 90 degrees from the electric flow also.
Quoting: S.T. Beans 137089

Makes sense to me and I don't know much.
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04/20/2012 06:40 AM
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Tje waterwheels analogy described in your first post op would be both spinning in the same direction - not opposite directions
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04/20/2012 06:45 AM
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Think of a river flowing with two horizontal water wheels dipping into that river. The river is equivalent to electricity in a wire.

Now naturally since the wheels are on opposite sides of the river they will be rotating in opposite directions.
Quoting: S.T. Beans 137089

Now I say, i said, now hold on there boy, what dya mean OPPOSITE directions?.....they be goin in tha same direction ya dumbass, i said i say....ya dumbass, GOD knows ya mother loves ya boy, but i aint ya mother....ya get me boy?
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04/20/2012 09:12 AM
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Tje waterwheels analogy described in your first post op would be both spinning in the same direction - not opposite directions
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uhh no. not when teh wheels are on OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE RIVER!

TOP WHEN SPINS COUNTER-CLOCKWISE

O
waterflow ------------------>
O

BOTTOM WHEEL SPINS CLOCKWISE
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04/20/2012 06:05 PM
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Tje waterwheels analogy described in your first post op would be both spinning in the same direction - not opposite directions
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1360265

uhh no. not when teh wheels are on OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE RIVER!

TOP WHEN SPINS COUNTER-CLOCKWISE

O
waterflow ------------------>
O

BOTTOM WHEEL SPINS CLOCKWISE
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 137089

i was going to tell him he was just dumb, but u actually took the time to make a diagram. lol
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04/20/2012 06:16 PM
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I wonder if we could somehow link the angular momentum of the spin field produced from the electricity eddy current to the strength/force of the magnetic field.

Only thing is how to you calculate the mass of ether? I would think you would need to substitute something in for mass in these equations.
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04/21/2012 01:21 PM
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I wonder if we could somehow link the angular momentum of the spin field produced from the electricity eddy current to the strength/force of the magnetic field.

Only thing is how to you calculate the mass of ether? I would think you would need to substitute something in for mass in these equations.
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anyone?
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04/21/2012 02:01 PM
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Bump
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04/21/2012 07:21 PM
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just a dude

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04/21/2012 07:26 PM
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An electron has been observed to decay into two separate parts, each carrying a particular property of the electron: a spinon carrying its spin – the property making the electron behave as a tiny compass needle – and an orbiton carrying its orbital moment – which arises from the electron’s motion around the nucleus. These newly created particles, however, cannot leave the material in which they have been produced.
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04/21/2012 07:46 PM
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An electron has been observed to decay into two separate parts, each carrying a particular property of the electron: a spinon carrying its spin – the property making the electron behave as a tiny compass needle – and an orbiton carrying its orbital moment – which arises from the electron’s motion around the nucleus. These newly created particles, however, cannot leave the material in which they have been produced.
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WOW! Great find! OP is on to something and obviously you know something about this also. wow! my mind is blown
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04/21/2012 08:08 PM
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04/21/2012 08:19 PM
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The only secret of magnetism is that it has no business being a field of its own. You can describe every function of magnetism through charge, polarity, valence, etc. And yet, all of these abridging and preexisting fields adopt an incomplete understanding of their own mechanics simply for this abstract inclusion.

It's an echo of the electron field.
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04/21/2012 08:50 PM
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The only secret of magnetism is that it has no business being a field of its own. You can describe every function of magnetism through charge, polarity, valence, etc. And yet, all of these abridging and preexisting fields adopt an incomplete understanding of their own mechanics simply for this abstract inclusion.

It's an echo of the electron field.
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this is basically agreeing with the OP.

that's why he said you can't manipulate the flux lines. they are simply the result of a spin interference pattern
EMPerror

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04/22/2012 11:31 AM
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I wonder if we could somehow link the angular momentum of the spin field produced from the electricity eddy current to the strength/force of the magnetic field.

Only thing is how to you calculate the mass of ether? I would think you would need to substitute something in for mass in these equations.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13656875

anyone?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13656875

Terms used here are either too abstract or used in a way that makes them ambiguous (angular momentum of spin field? strength or force of magnetic field? etc.).
Classic Lorentz force is used as interaction electrical-mechanical (Wikipedia! Google! Library!). Most can tell classical physical concepts, but if you need more, have in mind concepts that are outside common classical knowledge, mathematics, physics of concept is needed and most importantly correct detailed formulation.

Theories that are subject for at least Nobel prize, if they turned out to be applicable and proven usually cannot be understood by several sentences. Most physicists can come up with at least several theories, mathematical models. Possibilities here are limitless. Mostly such theories are not consistent with reality and are found to be wrong in one aspect or other. It takes a lot to formulate theory and check if it stands up to the reality, usually experimentally.
It is ok to make theories, but commonly you must formulate such theory by yourself, check it really well and then present it in a way that would be understood by others.
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04/22/2012 04:17 PM
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I wonder if we could somehow link the angular momentum of the spin field produced from the electricity eddy current to the strength/force of the magnetic field.

Only thing is how to you calculate the mass of ether? I would think you would need to substitute something in for mass in these equations.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13656875

anyone?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13656875

Terms used here are either too abstract or used in a way that makes them ambiguous (angular momentum of spin field? strength or force of magnetic field? etc.).
Classic Lorentz force is used as interaction electrical-mechanical (Wikipedia! Google! Library!). Most can tell classical physical concepts, but if you need more, have in mind concepts that are outside common classical knowledge, mathematics, physics of concept is needed and most importantly correct detailed formulation.

Theories that are subject for at least Nobel prize, if they turned out to be applicable and proven usually cannot be understood by several sentences. Most physicists can come up with at least several theories, mathematical models. Possibilities here are limitless. Mostly such theories are not consistent with reality and are found to be wrong in one aspect or other. It takes a lot to formulate theory and check if it stands up to the reality, usually experimentally.
It is ok to make theories, but commonly you must formulate such theory by yourself, check it really well and then present it in a way that would be understood by others.
Quoting: EMPerror

Yes, this is all true. However the information the OP presented is brilliant. Yes the theory needs to be fleshed out and quantified. But on a strictly scientific intuitive level, my gut tells me this is exactly how magnetism works. its a simple elegant theory.

Two data points that show me that this theory is right on are:

It makes total sense that the only difference between a north and south pole is that they spin in opposite directions.

As the OP said, take any two spinning wheels. if they spin the same direction they will repel each other and cannot touch. however if you take two wheels spinning the opposite directions they can touch and spin in harmony.

And here is the kicker!!! WOW! It can't be a coincidence here:

An animation of two spinning overlapping wheels drawn using radial lines generates an EXACT magnetic flux line pattern!!!!!!! That can't be a coincidence!!!!

Careful OP, knowledge like this leads to such things as free energy. This is the kinda knowledge that is intentionally concealed all in the name of GREED and control.
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04/22/2012 08:31 PM
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I wonder if we could somehow link the angular momentum of the spin field produced from the electricity eddy current to the strength/force of the magnetic field.

Only thing is how to you calculate the mass of ether? I would think you would need to substitute something in for mass in these equations.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13656875

anyone?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13656875

Terms used here are either too abstract or used in a way that makes them ambiguous (angular momentum of spin field? strength or force of magnetic field? etc.).
Classic Lorentz force is used as interaction electrical-mechanical (Wikipedia! Google! Library!). Most can tell classical physical concepts, but if you need more, have in mind concepts that are outside common classical knowledge, mathematics, physics of concept is needed and most importantly correct detailed formulation.

Theories that are subject for at least Nobel prize, if they turned out to be applicable and proven usually cannot be understood by several sentences. Most physicists can come up with at least several theories, mathematical models. Possibilities here are limitless. Mostly such theories are not consistent with reality and are found to be wrong in one aspect or other. It takes a lot to formulate theory and check if it stands up to the reality, usually experimentally.
It is ok to make theories, but commonly you must formulate such theory by yourself, check it really well and then present it in a way that would be understood by others.
Quoting: EMPerror

Yes, this is all true. However the information the OP presented is brilliant. Yes the theory needs to be fleshed out and quantified. But on a strictly scientific intuitive level, my gut tells me this is exactly how magnetism works. its a simple elegant theory.

Two data points that show me that this theory is right on are:

It makes total sense that the only difference between a north and south pole is that they spin in opposite directions.

As the OP said, take any two spinning wheels. if they spin the same direction they will repel each other and cannot touch. however if you take two wheels spinning the opposite directions they can touch and spin in harmony.

And here is the kicker!!! WOW! It can't be a coincidence here:

An animation of two spinning overlapping wheels drawn using radial lines generates an EXACT magnetic flux line pattern!!!!!!! That can't be a coincidence!!!!

Careful OP, knowledge like this leads to such things as free energy. This is the kinda knowledge that is intentionally concealed all in the name of GREED and control.
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Anonymous Coward
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04/23/2012 09:37 AM
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wow OP, simply amazing!!!
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04/23/2012 12:01 PM
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Walter Russell had this nailed nearly 100years ago - [link to www.feandft.com]

also check out his other works, good stuff.
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04/30/2012 01:57 PM
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Been working on the equations to be able to convert flux density to zpe angular momentum! It works! This combined with the magnetic flux diagram produced by spinning wheels seals the deal for me.

Now we are looking into decreasing the spin of one of the poles of a magnetic dipole to produce a sort of asymetric magnet, almost like a monopole, but not quite. will keep you updated.
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04/30/2012 02:12 PM
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I don't see anything that OP said that wasn't already known. Feynman obviated much of the quantum nature of spintronics. Even basic chemistry covers the pairing of opposite spin electrons in each orbital.

Is this post supposed to be the result of large amounts of pot and having watched a Richard Feynman lecture for the first time?
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04/30/2012 02:44 PM
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I don't see anything that OP said that wasn't already known. Feynman obviated much of the quantum nature of spintronics. Even basic chemistry covers the pairing of opposite spin electrons in each orbital.

Is this post supposed to be the result of large amounts of pot and having watched a Richard Feynman lecture for the first time?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15094540

Bullshit. There are NO references in science that shows spin creates magnetism. You are full of shit. Link or you stink. And since I know that this is already full of shit I am pretty sure you stink.
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04/30/2012 03:01 PM
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I don't see anything that OP said that wasn't already known. Feynman obviated much of the quantum nature of spintronics. Even basic chemistry covers the pairing of opposite spin electrons in each orbital.

Is this post supposed to be the result of large amounts of pot and having watched a Richard Feynman lecture for the first time?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15094540

Bullshit. There are NO references in science that shows spin creates magnetism. You are full of shit. Link or you stink. And since I know that this is already full of shit I am pretty sure you stink.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 149051

Basis for spin magnetic moments

A spin magnetic moment is induced by all charged particles. The electron is an example of one such charged particle. A spin magnetic moment is created because a particle has physical properties known as spin and electric charge. The spin within classical physics would be an object that rotates axially around its center of mass. In quantum mechanics, elementary particles are points, which have no axis to revolve around. This means these particles do not have spin in a classical sense, as angular momentum is defined by \mathbf{L} = \mathbf{r} \times \mathbf{p}, but have the physical property of angular momentum (see Spin (physics)). Maxwell's theory of magnetic fields dictates that any moving charged particle creates a magnetic moment, and by definition, angular momentum designates movement. This is where the magnetic moment emerges in classical electromagnetism. See Maxwell's equation

There are actually these references from Dirac...to Maxwell...to Feynman... to even Einstein and his paper on "The photoelectric effect".

So shut it, dumb ass.
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04/30/2012 03:02 PM
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I don't see anything that OP said that wasn't already known. Feynman obviated much of the quantum nature of spintronics. Even basic chemistry covers the pairing of opposite spin electrons in each orbital.

Is this post supposed to be the result of large amounts of pot and having watched a Richard Feynman lecture for the first time?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15094540

Bullshit. There are NO references in science that shows spin creates magnetism. You are full of shit. Link or you stink. And since I know that this is already full of shit I am pretty sure you stink.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 149051

The idea of a spin angular momentum was first proposed in a 1925 publication by George Uhlenbeck and Samuel Goudsmit to explain hyperfine splitting in atomic spectra.[1] In 1928, Paul Dirac provided a rigorous theoretical foundation for the concept with his relativistic equation of motion for the wavefunction of the electron.[2]
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04/30/2012 03:07 PM
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I don't see anything that OP said that wasn't already known. Feynman obviated much of the quantum nature of spintronics. Even basic chemistry covers the pairing of opposite spin electrons in each orbital.

Is this post supposed to be the result of large amounts of pot and having watched a Richard Feynman lecture for the first time?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15094540

Bullshit. There are NO references in science that shows spin creates magnetism. You are full of shit. Link or you stink. And since I know that this is already full of shit I am pretty sure you stink.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 149051

The idea of a spin angular momentum was first proposed in a 1925 publication by George Uhlenbeck and Samuel Goudsmit to explain hyperfine splitting in atomic spectra.[1] In 1928, Paul Dirac provided a rigorous theoretical foundation for the concept with his relativistic equation of motion for the wavefunction of the electron.[2]
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15094540

lol, are you retarded? yes, we've all heard of electron spin. BUT THIS DOESN"T LINK IT TO MAGNETISM, which is what the OP is stating you moron.
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04/30/2012 03:15 PM
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I don't see anything that OP said that wasn't already known. Feynman obviated much of the quantum nature of spintronics. Even basic chemistry covers the pairing of opposite spin electrons in each orbital.

Is this post supposed to be the result of large amounts of pot and having watched a Richard Feynman lecture for the first time?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15094540

Bullshit. There are NO references in science that shows spin creates magnetism. You are full of shit. Link or you stink. And since I know that this is already full of shit I am pretty sure you stink.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 149051

The idea of a spin angular momentum was first proposed in a 1925 publication by George Uhlenbeck and Samuel Goudsmit to explain hyperfine splitting in atomic spectra.[1] In 1928, Paul Dirac provided a rigorous theoretical foundation for the concept with his relativistic equation of motion for the wavefunction of the electron.[2]
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15094540

lol, are you retarded? yes, we've all heard of electron spin. BUT THIS DOESN"T LINK IT TO MAGNETISM, which is what the OP is stating you moron.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 149051

Yes it does.

The Pauli exclusion principle is the quantum mechanical principle that no two identical fermions (particles with half-integer spin) may occupy the same quantum state simultaneously.

Thus magnetism, ( plus/minus, negative/positive, black/red ) whatever dualistic words you want to call it, arises because no two particles with the same 'half-integer spin' may occupy the same quantum state at the same time.

I assure you that some humans on this planet have known the material you made a vague and misguided attempt at explaining.
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04/30/2012 03:23 PM
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This is way oversimplified.
Let me give you an example.

Take two pieces of aluminium and spin them in opposite directions. You will STILL not have any magnetism.

If your theory was true, you would find magnetism in non-ferrous metals as well as ferrous metals but you do not.
Fail.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550737

THIS statement needs to be appropriately answered if you are for real OP.Thanks dude.
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04/30/2012 04:07 PM
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Bullshit. There are NO references in science that shows spin creates magnetism. You are full of shit. Link or you stink. And since I know that this is already full of shit I am pretty sure you stink.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 149051

The idea of a spin angular momentum was first proposed in a 1925 publication by George Uhlenbeck and Samuel Goudsmit to explain hyperfine splitting in atomic spectra.[1] In 1928, Paul Dirac provided a rigorous theoretical foundation for the concept with his relativistic equation of motion for the wavefunction of the electron.[2]
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15094540

lol, are you retarded? yes, we've all heard of electron spin. BUT THIS DOESN"T LINK IT TO MAGNETISM, which is what the OP is stating you moron.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 149051

Yes it does.

The Pauli exclusion principle is the quantum mechanical principle that no two identical fermions (particles with half-integer spin) may occupy the same quantum state simultaneously.

Thus magnetism, ( plus/minus, negative/positive, black/red ) whatever dualistic words you want to call it, arises because no two particles with the same 'half-integer spin' may occupy the same quantum state at the same time.

I assure you that some humans on this planet have known the material you made a vague and misguided attempt at explaining.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15094540

You've just confirmed that you are an expert...

In the field of Psuedo-Science! Congrats!
Stop trying to pass off your psuedo babble as science.

What I bolded from your post above is WHAT YOU WROTE, NOT FROM THE ARTICLE

Please go take a few basic physics courses so if you want to post to this thread you can post something meaningful and relevant instead of psuedoscience babble. Thank you
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04/30/2012 04:10 PM
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This is way oversimplified.
Let me give you an example.

Take two pieces of aluminium and spin them in opposite directions. You will STILL not have any magnetism.

If your theory was true, you would find magnetism in non-ferrous metals as well as ferrous metals but you do not.
Fail.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1550737

THIS statement needs to be appropriately answered if you are for real OP.Thanks dude.

The OP took an example of water wheels on each side of a river as an analogy to spinning ZPE currents running along a wire with electrons flowing through it.

The guy above with the IQ of about 75 said 'DUHHH... if you spin two wheels you don't get magnetism' NO SHIT! Go read the original post thoroughly before making comments that don't even relate.
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