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FACT: Kundalini, Reiki is a Demon! Don't Be Deceived!

 
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Really? Am I the negative one? I invite the readers (whether they post or remain mute) to re-read what I posted. During 6 pages people have critized O.P. saying he/she is an idiotic person who is spreading fear out of ignorance and lack of tolerance to other religions. Than a page or two ago I asked: "really, and what do you really know about Reiki, as a matter of fact who knows something to tell us?" and then your provocative reactions toward O.P became like the ones "offended" by me because I say you don't really know and I kept asking 3 or 4 times and the responses make evidence the naïve attitude of believing the healing comes from Almighty or Universe but can't answer my questions in detail! Or even confused the healings perform from one civilization thinking is the same as other or related with the same beings.

Then another one posted verses of the Bible promoting himself/herself as an agent of Christian whichever church and I asked: "really? What do you think you know about Christ transfiguration?" I could've asked him/her about the witch from Endor and Samuel ghost as well but I prefered not, just to dodge a sub-sub-subtopic.

The issue here is most of you, people, come here to provide your answers like anyone else, but provide an exercise of free thought based upon nothing except ignorance or points of view. Anyone can give a response saying "I believe this or that". I came to say, "really, why so?" and of course, ignorance hurts you deep, down in the marrow. Ignorance is not an insult. It's a fact. Everyone is ignorant in something. Nobody understands everything. I am ignorant in many things. But I don't come here pretending I know about something and making easy and quick criticism about O.P. The fact is few of you even HEARD the videos and the ones who did it, they DON'T WANNA LISTEN OR PAY ATTENTION TO THE FACT MANY HEALERS HAVE BEEN TRICKED AND ARE PASSING THROUGH PERSONAL JEOPARDY DUE TO REIKI.

You can ignore the warnings at will if you want. It's your prerrogative but in doing so you become deceivers as well. To hide important relevant information that could damage people is EVIL and I do warn you now, if some of Reiki healers DO KNOW INDEED IN MANY CASES THERE IS REAL DAMAGE due to whatever practices and you shut up, you're guilty as hell.

That insults you? Well, I'm glad to do it and I'm all ears and eyes if there's someone among you willing to say the truthallthetruthandnothingbutthetruthsohelpyougod.
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I can see where you're coming from. And I'm one of those who admit to not knowing much, but I love to learn.

It is very sad to see these sort of "thread discussions", if that is what they can be called--there is hardly any analytical, critical, philosophical or theological depth in these conversations and no real genuine interest in understanding the other person's belief or subject she posted.

Instead, there is rude, ignorant, childish and divisive comments aimed at seeking to provoke and sensationalize rather than an attempt to reply in a more civilized manner in order to create more edifying discussion.

The seeds sown here are the same seeds that bear fruits of hate and of war.

My faith teaches me to open my eyes and my heart, not narrowing it for rude, vengeful purposes.

I think everyone needs to stop for a moment and either pray about or reflect on their thoughts they rush to express before actually posting them on this thread.
However, I consider my life worth nothing to me; my only aim is to finish the race and complete the task
the Lord Jesus has given me—the task of testifying to the good news of God’s grace. Acts 20:24

"This man really is the Savior of the world!" John 4:42

Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him;
and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, " says the Lord God, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:7

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Re: FACT: Kundalini, Reiki is a Demon! Don't Be Deceived!
Although Reiki claims to be an "ancient healing practice that Buddha (and Jesus) used," all records of it were lost. It was allegedly rediscovered by Mikao Usui, a Zen Buddhist monk, in the mid-1800s "during a psychic experience."

Additionally, it is claimed that details about lost aspects of the practice have "been revealed through channeling." Channeling is the New Age term for mediumship and involves contact with, and usually possession by, "spirit guides."

The authors of this chapter state that a second-degree Reiki practitioner "learns about spirit guides and how to contact and use them in healing sessions." They further state that third degree Reiki masters give "complete control of healing sessions to their spirit guides." Healing sessions appear to be based on the use of "life-energy" (i.e. ki, chi, or prana), which is sent from the practitioner into the patient's body.


"The greatest concern would seem to be the identity of the "spirit guides."

Since they are typically contacted in ways expressly forbidden in Scripture, and since they advocate unbiblical ideas and practices, it is honestly quite difficult to view them as anything other than the biblical demons.

The authors of this chapter conclude by stating: "Reiki is antithetical to biblical Christianity. Channeling is a way of communicating with spirits to obtain information not otherwise accessible. It is denounced in the Bible as sorcery, mediumship, and spiritism (Lev. 19:26, 31; 20:6; Deut. 18:9-14...)."

[link to www.probe.org]
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Well you are quoting from a Christian source. So we all know the slant they put on all of this.
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Although Reiki claims to be an "ancient healing practice that Buddha (and Jesus) used," all records of it were lost. It was allegedly rediscovered by Mikao Usui, a Zen Buddhist monk, in the mid-1800s "during a psychic experience."

Additionally, it is claimed that details about lost aspects of the practice have "been revealed through channeling." Channeling is the New Age term for mediumship and involves contact with, and usually possession by, "spirit guides."

The authors of this chapter state that a second-degree Reiki practitioner "learns about spirit guides and how to contact and use them in healing sessions." They further state that third degree Reiki masters give "complete control of healing sessions to their spirit guides." Healing sessions appear to be based on the use of "life-energy" (i.e. ki, chi, or prana), which is sent from the practitioner into the patient's body.


"The greatest concern would seem to be the identity of the "spirit guides."

Since they are typically contacted in ways expressly forbidden in Scripture, and since they advocate unbiblical ideas and practices, it is honestly quite difficult to view them as anything other than the biblical demons.

The authors of this chapter conclude by stating: "Reiki is antithetical to biblical Christianity. Channeling is a way of communicating with spirits to obtain information not otherwise accessible. It is denounced in the Bible as sorcery, mediumship, and spiritism (Lev. 19:26, 31; 20:6; Deut. 18:9-14...)."

[link to www.probe.org]
 Quoting: KoFFee_


Well you are quoting from a Christian source. So we all know the slant they put on all of this.
 Quoting: ohhappydays


Yes, and on that same site, a former Reiki master who became a Christian wrote:

"Reiki is something that is very mis-stated, and misunderstood, by those outside of the Reiki circle. Having been in it, I can tell you everything you need to know. I will tell you right up front that it was a hard one to shake, that it was VERY real and beneficial, but that it is decidedly non-Christian.

"I highly recommend anyone looking into it to just stop. Prayer is very powerful, and is our direct link to God through Christ. If we petition directly for healing, it may come. If we have faith that it WILL come, our chances are far better.

As with anything we are to test, does Reiki point either the practitioner or the client to Christ? No. Big no. It uses a Universal energy that is non-personal and can be manipulated. You can pray to God, to the Earth Mother, to Mother/Father God, etc. But it in fact leads you AWAY from Christ.
However, I consider my life worth nothing to me; my only aim is to finish the race and complete the task
the Lord Jesus has given me—the task of testifying to the good news of God’s grace. Acts 20:24

"This man really is the Savior of the world!" John 4:42

Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him;
and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, " says the Lord God, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:7

I do not own the rights to any video posted, they are for educational/entertainment purposes only.
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Answer "critically" and objectively the godamn question if you know the answer: what are the entities summoned during Reiki ritual and the question is done to every single CLOWN here that critizes O.P without knowing the Bible and without knowing occultism either or the difference between Christ and "Christianity façade".
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I've asked the question for a whole page by now. I'm, doing it again and again again and again again and again again and again again and again again and again again and again again and again again and again ad infinitum: IS THERE SOMEONE HERE WHO KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT THE ENTITIES SUMMONED IN REIKI OR NOT????????????????? Otherwise your posts are irrelevant and elevator climbing up to ignorance and bla-bla-bla of deserved right to post whatever and be ignored afterwards.
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The Source of healing energy is the only entity that heals. You probably know it as "God".
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Okey, if that's the case, could you answer why the HEALER suffers persecutionof specific entities which are not "God" after a while?
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For the same reason we all suffer persecution of "entities which are not God". They forget they are one with God and they succumb to fear.
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That someone who wrote "My point was: if someone has love and peace in their heart they have no evil in their heart"... DO YOU BELIEVE YOUR OWN LIES? Isn't it true that if someone hurts deeply physically or emotionally to any member of your family you could rise an inner wrath within you and probably would love cutting the evil doer in pieces? That's the measure of love and peace in the heart. Very easy to repeat the cliché over and over. Other thing is clear up all dirt, vipers and scorpions within ourselves.


Again, irrelevant comment. Nothing to add to the topic.
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I wasn't talking to you so you can can your ugly comments about what is irrevelant

If someone has an inner wrath they are giving into evil/low energies IMO


I stick my own beliefs and you stick to yours!
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Your comments are still irrelevant whether addresing to me or anyone else, as a matter of fact even the texts you post have nothing to do with the thread unless in your own imagination. Maybe that's why you can't answer about transfiguration when Christ warned the disciples not to mention to anyone what they witnessed. Luke 9:31 and following verses are very explicit saying they were chatting abiut what was gonna happen in the following days in Jerusalem. That is FUTURE and talking with two dead fellows. If they mentioned this to anyone Christ wouldn't be crucified at all but STONED TO DEATH along with his favorite 3 disciples, Peter, John and James. That could be interpreted as MEDIUNISM, couldn't be? By the time Christ explained it was a bending of space/time and he reunited at the same local 2 different guys or that was a mere vision or whatever you wanna "explain".... he would've been dead meat, wouldn't he? That HAD TO BE SECRET INDEED! If saying the truth is considered low energy by you and you think posting verses without context forever is wise and nice and good, clap-clap-clap and friendly backslap to you. Congratulations, you've done your good work today and deserve the first class ticket to heaven just because of that.
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The woman in the yoga testimony is not me, I'm not that young or pretty anymore.

Those are the Youtube titles of the videos in the original post. I put each title above each video so that you can copy and paste that title into youtube search and pull up the videos since GLP removes the youtube postings and changes it to their own video channel.

Some of those videos have more then one part. You can type the title of the video into youtube and pull up the other parts that way if you want to see all of the parts or get more information about the video.

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To the people that said I "ran away", I didn't run anywhere. I had lunch and then took a nap. I said that I wasn't going to moderate this thread, and I meant it.

There isn't anything for me to say, the video's gave the testimony, it's not debatable.

Those who are honest hearted will watch, pray about it, and start to research on their own. I'm also here to help if anyone has a sincere question.

To the 7 or 8 pages of comments that are hateful and ugly, well........that's what happens when you call a spade a spade. Demons hate to be exposed. Those who practice witchcraft have demons inside of them that influence them. Sorry guys, it's just the truth, and I will tell the truth in the hopes of helping someone else.

John 15:19 "If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you."

Peace to all, I encourage each and every one of you to atleast think about what you're doing. Pray to your Father in Heaven and ask Him. Search for the truth.

PS. Thanks to the Brazilian poster who is a warrior for the truth.

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Really? Am I the negative one? I invite the readers (whether they post or remain mute) to re-read what I posted. During 6 pages people have critized O.P. saying he/she is an idiotic person who is spreading fear out of ignorance and lack of tolerance to other religions. Than a page or two ago I asked: "really, and what do you really know about Reiki, as a matter of fact who knows something to tell us?" and then your provocative reactions toward O.P became like the ones "offended" by me because I say you don't really know and I kept asking 3 or 4 times and the responses make evidence the naïve attitude of believing the healing comes from Almighty or Universe but can't answer my questions in detail! Or even confused the healings perform from one civilization thinking is the same as other or related with the same beings.

Then another one posted verses of the Bible promoting himself/herself as an agent of Christian whichever church and I asked: "really? What do you think you know about Christ transfiguration?" I could've asked him/her about the witch from Endor and Samuel ghost as well but I prefered not, just to dodge a sub-sub-subtopic.

The issue here is most of you, people, come here to provide your answers like anyone else, but provide an exercise of free thought based upon nothing except ignorance or points of view. Anyone can give a response saying "I believe this or that". I came to say, "really, why so?" and of course, ignorance hurts you deep, down in the marrow. Ignorance is not an insult. It's a fact. Everyone is ignorant in something. Nobody understands everything. I am ignorant in many things. But I don't come here pretending I know about something and making easy and quick criticism about O.P. The fact is few of you even HEARD the videos and the ones who did it, they DON'T WANNA LISTEN OR PAY ATTENTION TO THE FACT MANY HEALERS HAVE BEEN TRICKED AND ARE PASSING THROUGH PERSONAL JEOPARDY DUE TO REIKI.

You can ignore the warnings at will if you want. It's your prerrogative but in doing so you become deceivers as well. To hide important relevant information that could damage people is EVIL and I do warn you now, if some of Reiki healers DO KNOW INDEED IN MANY CASES THERE IS REAL DAMAGE due to whatever practices and you shut up, you're guilty as hell.

That insults you? Well, I'm glad to do it and I'm all ears and eyes if there's someone among you willing to say the truthallthetruthandnothingbutthetruthsohelpyougod.
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If you want to taken seriously then you should not call people idiots and then you told people to shut up and tell another their comment, not even directed at you, is irrelevant. THAT is what was insulting....
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I have already answered the question earlier. No entities are summoned in true Reiki. We do however ask for the Divine Energy (pure light) of the Creator to flow threw us. Some people ask for the angels or spirit guides to assist the person with healing. Protection is put in place before one starts a session. I have never experienced anything negative during a session or heard of anything negative afterwards with my clients. Also we do not use our own life force energy to heal, but rather the Universal Energy of Prime Source, which leaves us feeling happy, balanced & whole afterwards.
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I think you're sincere in your answer. If that's the case I can't see any damage of what you're doing specially since it comes from good will of the healer and it's proved the brain behaves the same whether it IMAGINES or the eyes really see something (and we know they are linked to the brain). I wonder if this is true in all cases. What about images? I mean, let's suppose you use a mandala, would you use a symbol related to an ancient god who demanded human sacrifices in the past? Perhaps that system is not used in the places you have practiced. I am not the one judging anything. I push people to answer to themselves and to others. I personally don't think you're doing something wrong, but then again, who am I? In this case the fruits speak for themselves. If you say you have not heard anything negative is because your system is working and doing good on behalf of both healers and healed.
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Its very easy to take a brush & paint a practice BLACK (no matter what the practice) because there is a hidden agenda to destroy any attempts for people to develop themselves spiritually & holistically, & which empowers them. Such practices of course trigger people to "question" their beliefs, to think for themselves....which is not allowed in the Christian church. Heck even our governments don't want us to have critical thinking.

Yes, there are a few symbols in Reiki...most of the time I forget to use them. I am not aware that these symbols are connected to any deity or God???? There are many symbols used through out religions & esoteric traditions, some used overtly & some used covertly.

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Its very easy to take a brush & paint a practice BLACK (no matter what the practice) because there is a hidden agenda to destroy any attempts for people to develop themselves spiritually & holistically, & which empowers them. Such practices of course trigger people to "question" their beliefs, to think for themselves....which is not allowed in the Christian church. Heck even our governments don't want us to have critical thinking.
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Apparently you are right.
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Although Reiki claims to be an "ancient healing practice that Buddha (and Jesus) used," all records of it were lost. It was allegedly rediscovered by Mikao Usui, a Zen Buddhist monk, in the mid-1800s "during a psychic experience."

Additionally, it is claimed that details about lost aspects of the practice have "been revealed through channeling." Channeling is the New Age term for mediumship and involves contact with, and usually possession by, "spirit guides."

The authors of this chapter state that a second-degree Reiki practitioner "learns about spirit guides and how to contact and use them in healing sessions." They further state that third degree Reiki masters give "complete control of healing sessions to their spirit guides." Healing sessions appear to be based on the use of "life-energy" (i.e. ki, chi, or prana), which is sent from the practitioner into the patient's body.


"The greatest concern would seem to be the identity of the "spirit guides."

Since they are typically contacted in ways expressly forbidden in Scripture, and since they advocate unbiblical ideas and practices, it is honestly quite difficult to view them as anything other than the biblical demons.

The authors of this chapter conclude by stating: "Reiki is antithetical to biblical Christianity. Channeling is a way of communicating with spirits to obtain information not otherwise accessible. It is denounced in the Bible as sorcery, mediumship, and spiritism (Lev. 19:26, 31; 20:6; Deut. 18:9-14...)."

[link to www.probe.org]
 Quoting: KoFFee_


Well you are quoting from a Christian source. So we all know the slant they put on all of this.
 Quoting: ohhappydays


Yes, and on that same site, a former Reiki master who became a Christian wrote:

"Reiki is something that is very mis-stated, and misunderstood, by those outside of the Reiki circle. Having been in it, I can tell you everything you need to know. I will tell you right up front that it was a hard one to shake, that it was VERY real and beneficial, but that it is decidedly non-Christian.

"I highly recommend anyone looking into it to just stop. Prayer is very powerful, and is our direct link to God through Christ. If we petition directly for healing, it may come. If we have faith that it WILL come, our chances are far better.

As with anything we are to test, does Reiki point either the practitioner or the client to Christ? No. Big no. It uses a Universal energy that is non-personal and can be manipulated. You can pray to God, to the Earth Mother, to Mother/Father God, etc. But it in fact leads you AWAY from Christ.
 Quoting: KoFFee_


This seems to be the case of a person who says it was BENEFICIAL but then again started to have second thoughts due to dogmatism way of thinking, that Christ was the miracle superman who came to solve everyone's miserable lives. Even Christ taught us a different vision, that's why he mentioned the kingdom is within US and not to look outside.... I guess nobody told him the king Cyrus was called Messiah (Christ) as well in the Bible and the real deep meeaning of the difference between the son of man and the son of god. People here say I'm ugly and full of hate because I said 'idiot' or 'ignorant'. How come in the Bible call stupid the atheistic people? Is that lack of love? If I write here the verses about the phallus of men the size of horses' members or talk about it inthe churches, using the Bible book, chapter and verses or quote Moses commanding the army to crush skulls of babies and women, would they nail me to the cross if I do the speech within a church?? They call me hypocrite? Gotta be kiddin'
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That someone who wrote "My point was: if someone has love and peace in their heart they have no evil in their heart"... DO YOU BELIEVE YOUR OWN LIES? Isn't it true that if someone hurts deeply physically or emotionally to any member of your family you could rise an inner wrath within you and probably would love cutting the evil doer in pieces? That's the measure of love and peace in the heart. Very easy to repeat the cliché over and over. Other thing is clear up all dirt, vipers and scorpions within ourselves.


Again, irrelevant comment. Nothing to add to the topic.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14472705


I wasn't talking to you so you can can your ugly comments about what is irrevelant

If someone has an inner wrath they are giving into evil/low energies IMO


I stick my own beliefs and you stick to yours!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13635498


Your comments are still irrelevant whether addresing to me or anyone else, as a matter of fact even the texts you post have nothing to do with the thread unless in your own imagination. Maybe that's why you can't answer about transfiguration when Christ warned the disciples not to mention to anyone what they witnessed. Luke 9:31 and following verses are very explicit saying they were chatting abiut what was gonna happen in the following days in Jerusalem. That is FUTURE and talking with two dead fellows. If they mentioned this to anyone Christ wouldn't be crucified at all but STONED TO DEATH along with his favorite 3 disciples, Peter, John and James. That could be interpreted as MEDIUNISM, couldn't be? By the time Christ explained it was a bending of space/time and he reunited at the same local 2 different guys or that was a mere vision or whatever you wanna "explain".... he would've been dead meat, wouldn't he? That HAD TO BE SECRET INDEED! If saying the truth is considered low energy by you and you think posting verses without context forever is wise and nice and good, clap-clap-clap and friendly backslap to you. Congratulations, you've done your good work today and deserve the first class ticket to heaven just because of that.
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You are beyond rude and say hateful degrading things meant to insult. What does that say about you? I don't want to carry on a discussion with you, at all. You are only looking for an argument. I never said I was Christian either, so your insults are a hit and miss there.
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That someone who wrote "My point was: if someone has love and peace in their heart they have no evil in their heart"... DO YOU BELIEVE YOUR OWN LIES? Isn't it true that if someone hurts deeply physically or emotionally to any member of your family you could rise an inner wrath within you and probably would love cutting the evil doer in pieces? That's the measure of love and peace in the heart. Very easy to repeat the cliché over and over. Other thing is clear up all dirt, vipers and scorpions within ourselves.


Again, irrelevant comment. Nothing to add to the topic.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14472705


I wasn't talking to you so you can can your ugly comments about what is irrevelant

If someone has an inner wrath they are giving into evil/low energies IMO


I stick my own beliefs and you stick to yours!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13635498


Your comments are still irrelevant whether addresing to me or anyone else, as a matter of fact even the texts you post have nothing to do with the thread unless in your own imagination. Maybe that's why you can't answer about transfiguration when Christ warned the disciples not to mention to anyone what they witnessed. Luke 9:31 and following verses are very explicit saying they were chatting abiut what was gonna happen in the following days in Jerusalem. That is FUTURE and talking with two dead fellows. If they mentioned this to anyone Christ wouldn't be crucified at all but STONED TO DEATH along with his favorite 3 disciples, Peter, John and James. That could be interpreted as MEDIUNISM, couldn't be? By the time Christ explained it was a bending of space/time and he reunited at the same local 2 different guys or that was a mere vision or whatever you wanna "explain".... he would've been dead meat, wouldn't he? That HAD TO BE SECRET INDEED! If saying the truth is considered low energy by you and you think posting verses without context forever is wise and nice and good, clap-clap-clap and friendly backslap to you. Congratulations, you've done your good work today and deserve the first class ticket to heaven just because of that.
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You are beyond rude and say hateful degrading things meant to insult. What does that say about you? I don't want to carry on a discussion with you, at all. You are only looking for an argument. I never said I was Christian either, so your insults are a hit and miss there.
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Although Reiki claims to be an "ancient healing practice that Buddha (and Jesus) used," all records of it were lost. It was allegedly rediscovered by Mikao Usui, a Zen Buddhist monk, in the mid-1800s "during a psychic experience."

Additionally, it is claimed that details about lost aspects of the practice have "been revealed through channeling." Channeling is the New Age term for mediumship and involves contact with, and usually possession by, "spirit guides."

The authors of this chapter state that a second-degree Reiki practitioner "learns about spirit guides and how to contact and use them in healing sessions." They further state that third degree Reiki masters give "complete control of healing sessions to their spirit guides." Healing sessions appear to be based on the use of "life-energy" (i.e. ki, chi, or prana), which is sent from the practitioner into the patient's body.


"The greatest concern would seem to be the identity of the "spirit guides."

Since they are typically contacted in ways expressly forbidden in Scripture, and since they advocate unbiblical ideas and practices, it is honestly quite difficult to view them as anything other than the biblical demons.

The authors of this chapter conclude by stating: "Reiki is antithetical to biblical Christianity. Channeling is a way of communicating with spirits to obtain information not otherwise accessible. It is denounced in the Bible as sorcery, mediumship, and spiritism (Lev. 19:26, 31; 20:6; Deut. 18:9-14...)."

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 Quoting: KoFFee_


Well you are quoting from a Christian source. So we all know the slant they put on all of this.
 Quoting: ohhappydays


Yes, and on that same site, a former Reiki master who became a Christian wrote:

"Reiki is something that is very mis-stated, and misunderstood, by those outside of the Reiki circle. Having been in it, I can tell you everything you need to know. I will tell you right up front that it was a hard one to shake, that it was VERY real and beneficial, but that it is decidedly non-Christian.

"I highly recommend anyone looking into it to just stop. Prayer is very powerful, and is our direct link to God through Christ. If we petition directly for healing, it may come. If we have faith that it WILL come, our chances are far better.

As with anything we are to test, does Reiki point either the practitioner or the client to Christ? No. Big no. It uses a Universal energy that is non-personal and can be manipulated. You can pray to God, to the Earth Mother, to Mother/Father God, etc. But it in fact leads you AWAY from Christ.
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Does your Doctor point you to Christ, or your Dentist?
Reiki is not a religion. It is not our job to interfere with the religious or spiritual beliefs of the client. I am Buddhist & I do not talk to my clients about Buddhism. If a client brings up the subject then I will listen to them, but I would never persuade them towards any particular practice. You see, I believe every person (through our Creator given free will) the right to choose their own path without coercion from me or anyone else. The spirit within us will lead us to what is most appropriate for us to learn our lessons. There are many people who believe in the Christ consciousness & live a Christ centered life who do not call themselves Christians.
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Yes, there are a few symbols in Reiki...most of the time I forget to use them. I am not aware that these symbols are connected to any deity or God???? There are many symbols used through out religions & esoteric traditions, some used overtly & some used covertly.

By the way are you Lisa?
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Nope, as you could see Lisa called me the warrior of truth and is what I intend to be in my own particular way.

As you could see I was aware there are symbols involved in the practice of Reiki (so my question was kinda rethorical) and you are the first poster (after 8 or 9 pages already) who admits that. I am not saying the symbols or mandalas are related to false evil creatures in interdimensional realms, I am just saying this could be the case whenever these BAD CASES are happening (not near your area). And perhaps is working good in you BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT USING THEM or perhaps people who are using that method in your area. Anyway since you practice, I think it would be nice for you to know deeply about that, mainly because it's you the one involved in the issue. Of course, the Christian guy who's "touchy" probably knows nothing and believes the universe spins around the translated versions of the Bible he uses now and that's the only relevant information. A blind fellow leading the other blind ones.
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Now, if I post logically or I quote texts of the Bible myself, the next message we'll read from him is this:

"You are beyond rude and say hateful degrading things meant to insult. What does that say about you? I don't want to carry on a discussion with you, at all. You are only looking for an argument. I never said I was Christian either, so your insults are a hit and miss there."

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Now, if I post logically or I quote texts of the Bible myself, the next message we'll read from him is this:

"You are beyond rude and say hateful degrading things meant to insult. What does that say about you? I don't want to carry on a discussion with you, at all. You are only looking for an argument. I never said I was Christian either, so your insults are a hit and miss there."

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Thanks for proving my point of how rude you are

Have a nice day
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Although Reiki claims to be an "ancient healing practice that Buddha (and Jesus) used," all records of it were lost. It was allegedly rediscovered by Mikao Usui, a Zen Buddhist monk, in the mid-1800s "during a psychic experience."

Additionally, it is claimed that details about lost aspects of the practice have "been revealed through channeling." Channeling is the New Age term for mediumship and involves contact with, and usually possession by, "spirit guides."

The authors of this chapter state that a second-degree Reiki practitioner "learns about spirit guides and how to contact and use them in healing sessions." They further state that third degree Reiki masters give "complete control of healing sessions to their spirit guides." Healing sessions appear to be based on the use of "life-energy" (i.e. ki, chi, or prana), which is sent from the practitioner into the patient's body.


"The greatest concern would seem to be the identity of the "spirit guides."

Since they are typically contacted in ways expressly forbidden in Scripture, and since they advocate unbiblical ideas and practices, it is honestly quite difficult to view them as anything other than the biblical demons.

The authors of this chapter conclude by stating: "Reiki is antithetical to biblical Christianity. Channeling is a way of communicating with spirits to obtain information not otherwise accessible. It is denounced in the Bible as sorcery, mediumship, and spiritism (Lev. 19:26, 31; 20:6; Deut. 18:9-14...)."

[link to www.probe.org]
 Quoting: KoFFee_


Well you are quoting from a Christian source. So we all know the slant they put on all of this.
 Quoting: ohhappydays


Yes, and on that same site, a former Reiki master who became a Christian wrote:

"Reiki is something that is very mis-stated, and misunderstood, by those outside of the Reiki circle. Having been in it, I can tell you everything you need to know. I will tell you right up front that it was a hard one to shake, that it was VERY real and beneficial, but that it is decidedly non-Christian.

"I highly recommend anyone looking into it to just stop. Prayer is very powerful, and is our direct link to God through Christ. If we petition directly for healing, it may come. If we have faith that it WILL come, our chances are far better.

As with anything we are to test, does Reiki point either the practitioner or the client to Christ? No. Big no. It uses a Universal energy that is non-personal and can be manipulated. You can pray to God, to the Earth Mother, to Mother/Father God, etc. But it in fact leads you AWAY from Christ.
 Quoting: KoFFee_


Does your Doctor point you to Christ, or your Dentist?
Reiki is not a religion. It is not our job to interfere with the religious or spiritual beliefs of the client. I am Buddhist & I do not talk to my clients about Buddhism. If a client brings up the subject then I will listen to them, but I would never persuade them towards any particular practice. You see, I believe every person (through our Creator given free will) the right to choose their own path without coercion from me or anyone else. The spirit within us will lead us to what is most appropriate for us to learn our lessons. There are many people who believe in the Christ consciousness & live a Christ centered life who do not call themselves Christians.
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Frankly, I don't have a doctor or dentist, haven't been to one in over 25 years. I put all my faith and trust in Jesus Christ alone--He truly does take care of me.

But, so be it. You believe what you believe and I believe what I believe.

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"This man really is the Savior of the world!" John 4:42

Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him;
and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.
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Really? Am I the negative one? I invite the readers (whether they post or remain mute) to re-read what I posted. During 6 pages people have critized O.P. saying he/she is an idiotic person who is spreading fear out of ignorance and lack of tolerance to other religions. Than a page or two ago I asked: "really, and what do you really know about Reiki, as a matter of fact who knows something to tell us?" and then your provocative reactions toward O.P became like the ones "offended" by me because I say you don't really know and I kept asking 3 or 4 times and the responses make evidence the naïve attitude of believing the healing comes from Almighty or Universe but can't answer my questions in detail! Or even confused the healings perform from one civilization thinking is the same as other or related with the same beings.

Then another one posted verses of the Bible promoting himself/herself as an agent of Christian whichever church and I asked: "really? What do you think you know about Christ transfiguration?" I could've asked him/her about the witch from Endor and Samuel ghost as well but I prefered not, just to dodge a sub-sub-subtopic.

The issue here is most of you, people, come here to provide your answers like anyone else, but provide an exercise of free thought based upon nothing except ignorance or points of view. Anyone can give a response saying "I believe this or that". I came to say, "really, why so?" and of course, ignorance hurts you deep, down in the marrow. Ignorance is not an insult. It's a fact. Everyone is ignorant in something. Nobody understands everything. I am ignorant in many things. But I don't come here pretending I know about something and making easy and quick criticism about O.P. The fact is few of you even HEARD the videos and the ones who did it, they DON'T WANNA LISTEN OR PAY ATTENTION TO THE FACT MANY HEALERS HAVE BEEN TRICKED AND ARE PASSING THROUGH PERSONAL JEOPARDY DUE TO REIKI.

You can ignore the warnings at will if you want. It's your prerrogative but in doing so you become deceivers as well. To hide important relevant information that could damage people is EVIL and I do warn you now, if some of Reiki healers DO KNOW INDEED IN MANY CASES THERE IS REAL DAMAGE due to whatever practices and you shut up, you're guilty as hell.

That insults you? Well, I'm glad to do it and I'm all ears and eyes if there's someone among you willing to say the truthallthetruthandnothingbutthetruthsohelpyougod.
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It was a familiar spirit not Samuel, I saw gods ascending out of the earth (we know what comes out of the earth), Saul perceived that it was Samuel (it was not Samuel).



1 Samuel 28:5-7

King James Version (KJV)


"And when Saul saw the host of the Philistines, he was afraid, and his heart greatly trembled."

"And when Saul enquired of the LORD, the LORD answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by Urim, nor by prophets."

"Then said Saul unto his servants, Seek me a woman that hath a familiar spirit, that I may go to her, and enquire of her. And his servants said to him, Behold, there is a woman that hath a familiar spirit at Endor."




1 Samuel 28:9-14

King James Version (KJV)


"And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die?"

"And Saul sware to her by the LORD, saying, As the LORD liveth, there shall no punishment happen to thee for this thing."

"Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel."

"And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul."

"And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth."

"And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself."




Those dead are sleeping not running around as spirits.



1 Corinthians 15:51-55

King James Version (KJV)


"Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,"

"In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

"For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."

"So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

"O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?"





No speaking to the dead, it is not the dead you are speaking to (Necromancy).



Deuteronomy 18:10-12

King James Version (KJV)


"There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch."

"Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer."

"For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee."




I would say God took Moses and his body to heaven (not into the earth to be brought back up like Samuel)


Jude 1:9

King James Version (KJV)


"Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee."



Luke 9:30-31

King James Version (KJV)


"And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias:"

"Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem."

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It is this mode of thinking the holds us back. Religious institutions have, since time immemorial, been trying to keep people from learning the truth about the world around them.

Ignore this ignorant drivel and explore the world around you, both the obvious and the hidden. You will learn quickly that what you perceive is only a shadow. Stop selling yourself short and accepting this mental slavery. Believe nothing, test everything.
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born agains need to chill out, go play some xbox for a while verycool
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The woman in the yoga testimony is not me, I'm not that young or pretty anymore.

Those are the Youtube titles of the videos in the original post. I put each title above each video so that you can copy and paste that title into youtube search and pull up the videos since GLP removes the youtube postings and changes it to their own video channel.

Some of those videos have more then one part. You can type the title of the video into youtube and pull up the other parts that way if you want to see all of the parts or get more information about the video.

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To the people that said I "ran away", I didn't run anywhere. I had lunch and then took a nap. I said that I wasn't going to moderate this thread, and I meant it.

There isn't anything for me to say, the video's gave the testimony, it's not debatable.

Those who are honest hearted will watch, pray about it, and start to research on their own. I'm also here to help if anyone has a sincere question.

To the 7 or 8 pages of comments that are hateful and ugly, well........that's what happens when you call a spade a spade. Demons hate to be exposed. Those who practice witchcraft have demons inside of them that influence them. Sorry guys, it's just the truth, and I will tell the truth in the hopes of helping someone else.
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Peace to all, I encourage each and every one of you to atleast think about what you're doing. Pray to your Father in Heaven and ask Him. Search for the truth.

PS. Thanks to the Brazilian poster who is a warrior for the truth.

Peace and love.......through the Lord Jesus Christ.

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To a man blind from birth, truth is that the world is dark.

To a man born with his eyes wide open, truth for him is that the world is full of colors.

Truth is neither black nor white, good nor evil, it simply is. And each person possess their own truth, that which is truly in their soul.

Reading your posts Lisa, one thing is very obvious. The world you live in is very dark, malevolent, full of sin and evil, and you reside in there scared as hell from it all which is why you turn to Jesus. I perceive this as your truth. And while I admit, I love jabbing at you occasionally for this or that, the truth (how I see it), is that you're missing out on SO much information, enlightenment and spiritual fulfillment. But one must step from the dark places of the mind and spiritual prisons and into the light without fear or preconceived ideas of what is good or bad, a miracle or a sin.

Blessings
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I agree with you Lisa*Lisa, the new age movement preaching we are all gods is nothing but the same prideful talk lucifer himself believed. We are CHILDREN of the creator, in training to be more than we are but we will not be gods, we will not all be one someday, we will be seperate individual conciousnesses under the glory of God himself. These "serpent" energies that have made their way into our DNA are the ones we are supposed to deny.

You can have your humanist energies of the chakras and kundalini, or you can live off the Holy Spirit God provides you. It will eventually replace them inside you if you let them go, that's the goal, to let go of animalistic body energies and accept the true energy of our creator to sustain us.

Considering we are like infants in terms of understanding how to navigate the entities and other things out there to interact with, it is actually more wise to let the Father guide you and keep them at bay than it is to jump out there and trust anything that will interact with you. When this is all over, he will introduce us to the other things he has made that also glorify him.
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Truth is neither black nor white, good nor evil, it simply is. And each person possess their own truth, that which is truly in their soul.
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So is it fair to say, AC, that you don't believe in "absolute truth?"
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I agree with you Lisa*Lisa, the new age movement preaching we are all gods is nothing but the same prideful talk lucifer himself believed. We are CHILDREN of the creator, in training to be more than we are but we will not be gods, we will not all be one someday, we will be seperate individual conciousnesses under the glory of God himself. These "serpent" energies that have made their way into our DNA are the ones we are supposed to deny.

You can have your humanist energies of the chakras and kundalini, or you can live off the Holy Spirit God provides you. It will eventually replace them inside you if you let them go, that's the goal, to let go of animalistic body energies and accept the true energy of our creator to sustain us.

Considering we are like infants in terms of understanding how to navigate the entities and other things out there to interact with, it is actually more wise to let the Father guide you and keep them at bay than it is to jump out there and trust anything that will interact with you. When this is all over, he will introduce us to the other things he has made that also glorify him.
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+100000!!!!

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Truth is neither black nor white, good nor evil, it simply is. And each person possess their own truth, that which is truly in their soul.
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So is it fair to say, AC, that you don't believe in "absolute truth?"
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That's a good question. Give me a "truth" and I will tell you if I believe it in absolutely.
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So is every Hindu going to hell?

Is meditation a gateway for demons?

Are all Asians who work with Chi inviting demons?
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The woman in the yoga testimony is not me, I'm not that young or pretty anymore.

Those are the Youtube titles of the videos in the original post. I put each title above each video so that you can copy and paste that title into youtube search and pull up the videos since GLP removes the youtube postings and changes it to their own video channel.

Some of those videos have more then one part. You can type the title of the video into youtube and pull up the other parts that way if you want to see all of the parts or get more information about the video.

____________________

To the people that said I "ran away", I didn't run anywhere. I had lunch and then took a nap. I said that I wasn't going to moderate this thread, and I meant it.

There isn't anything for me to say, the video's gave the testimony, it's not debatable.

Those who are honest hearted will watch, pray about it, and start to research on their own. I'm also here to help if anyone has a sincere question.

To the 7 or 8 pages of comments that are hateful and ugly, well........that's what happens when you call a spade a spade. Demons hate to be exposed. Those who practice witchcraft have demons inside of them that influence them. Sorry guys, it's just the truth, and I will tell the truth in the hopes of helping someone else.

John 15:19 "If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you."

Peace to all, I encourage each and every one of you to atleast think about what you're doing. Pray to your Father in Heaven and ask Him. Search for the truth.

PS. Thanks to the Brazilian poster who is a warrior for the truth.

Peace and love.......through the Lord Jesus Christ.

hf
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Sorry, but you shouldn't be offering 'help' to anyone with your naivety and fear-mongering practices. You should be the one seeking help. Many posters in this thread have politely tried to help you but you're too consumed by your own ego to understand or be receptive to it.

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Really? Am I the negative one? I invite the readers (whether they post or remain mute) to re-read what I posted. During 6 pages people have critized O.P. saying he/she is an idiotic person who is spreading fear out of ignorance and lack of tolerance to other religions. Than a page or two ago I asked: "really, and what do you really know about Reiki, as a matter of fact who knows something to tell us?" and then your provocative reactions toward O.P became like the ones "offended" by me because I say you don't really know and I kept asking 3 or 4 times and the responses make evidence the naïve attitude of believing the healing comes from Almighty or Universe but can't answer my questions in detail! Or even confused the healings perform from one civilization thinking is the same as other or related with the same beings.

Then another one posted verses of the Bible promoting himself/herself as an agent of Christian whichever church and I asked: "really? What do you think you know about Christ transfiguration?" I could've asked him/her about the witch from Endor and Samuel ghost as well but I prefered not, just to dodge a sub-sub-subtopic.

The issue here is most of you, people, come here to provide your answers like anyone else, but provide an exercise of free thought based upon nothing except ignorance or points of view. Anyone can give a response saying "I believe this or that". I came to say, "really, why so?" and of course, ignorance hurts you deep, down in the marrow. Ignorance is not an insult. It's a fact. Everyone is ignorant in something. Nobody understands everything. I am ignorant in many things. But I don't come here pretending I know about something and making easy and quick criticism about O.P. The fact is few of you even HEARD the videos and the ones who did it, they DON'T WANNA LISTEN OR PAY ATTENTION TO THE FACT MANY HEALERS HAVE BEEN TRICKED AND ARE PASSING THROUGH PERSONAL JEOPARDY DUE TO REIKI.

You can ignore the warnings at will if you want. It's your prerrogative but in doing so you become deceivers as well. To hide important relevant information that could damage people is EVIL and I do warn you now, if some of Reiki healers DO KNOW INDEED IN MANY CASES THERE IS REAL DAMAGE due to whatever practices and you shut up, you're guilty as hell.

That insults you? Well, I'm glad to do it and I'm all ears and eyes if there's someone among you willing to say the truthallthetruthandnothingbutthetruthsohelpyougod.
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It was a Familiar spirit not Samuel, I saw gods ascending out of the earth (we know what comes out of the earth), Saul perceived that it was Samuel (it was not Samuel).



1 Samuel 28:5-7

King James Version (KJV)


"And when Saul saw the host of the Philistines, he was afraid, and his heart greatly trembled."

"And when Saul enquired of the LORD, the LORD answered him not, neither by dreams, nor by Urim, nor by prophets."

"Then said Saul unto his servants, Seek me a woman that hath a familiar spirit, that I may go to her, and enquire of her. And his servants said to him, Behold, there is a woman that hath a familiar spirit at Endor."




1 Samuel 28:9-14

King James Version (KJV)


"And the woman said unto him, Behold, thou knowest what Saul hath done, how he hath cut off those that have familiar spirits, and the wizards, out of the land: wherefore then layest thou a snare for my life, to cause me to die?"

"And Saul sware to her by the LORD, saying, As the LORD liveth, there shall no punishment happen to thee for this thing."

"Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel."

"And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul."

"And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth."

"And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself."




Those dead are sleeping not running around as spirits.



1 Corinthians 15:51-55

King James Version (KJV)


"Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,"

"In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

"For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality."

"So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory."

"O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?"





No speaking to the dead, it is not the dead you are speaking to (Necromancy).



Deuteronomy 18:10-12

King James Version (KJV)


"There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch."

"Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer."

"For all that do these things are an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee."




I would say God took Moses and his body to heaven (not into the earth to be brought back up like Samuel)


Jude 1:9

King James Version (KJV)


"Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee."



Luke 9:30-31

King James Version (KJV)


"And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias:"

"Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem."
 Quoting: Oath


Rule one of any attempt to prove your case:

Do not use the document being questioned as the only evidence.

Application:

The major flaw in religion is using the holy books of that religion as the only source of authority. Without additional evidence, it cannot hold up.

There is much mystery in the world. There are things science has yet to explain. This doesn't mean there is an all powerful deity causing it to happen. This doesn't mean there isn't. What it means is that the evidence is inconclusive.

So long as we allow dogma to influence our daily decisions we will forever be slaves of the unknown.
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"Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel."
"And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul."

"And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth."

"And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself."




Those dead are sleeping not running around as spirits.



I would say God took Moses and his body to heaven (not into the earth to be brought back up like Samuel)


Jude 1:9

King James Version (KJV)


"Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee."



Luke 9:30-31

King James Version (KJV)


"And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias:"

"Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem."
 Quoting: Oath


Indeed the very texts you quote indicate Samuel was asked to come and the woman saw Samuel and Saul recognized....

(the entity or gods or ghosts or demons or whatever you wanna call them)


.... as Saul. Now, the topic is very important because the churches are gonna say it was not Samuel but Samuel in quotation marks ("Samuel") and we do not know for sure. The word translated as "gods" or "god" is applied to even Moses in Exodus 7, is applied to God Almighty and false gods and even Christ (when he was accused of blasphemy) quoted Psalms saying some people (judges) were called "gods". It just means powerful, period. So, whatever was seen could be demons disguised as dead people or maybe the whole thing about forbidden witchcraft was because INDEED (as some texts say) the prophecy of these people-gods-ghosts could really happen and is forbidden because it messes around with free will. Certainly the same Moses who is called "god" in Exodus 7, would appear in glory because he already appeared in glory before. The very apostle Paul talked abiut his glory when his face shone like firefly (unless this is not a miracle but the rare St. Elmo's electric charge at the real Sinai wherever it was or an esoteric menaing like many things in the Bible that Fundamentalists can't just imagine).

The very text you quote about transfiguration is what I'm saying exactly. To discuss about Christ's DEATH was something which was still to see forward, hours or days ahead it doesn't matter. That's FUTURE and was forbidden by the Law.

Indeed Judas was writing about MOSES' BODY. And if you care to investigate the source of that verse quoted by Judas, you will understand even better what I posted.
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Lisa is 100% correct. All those that attack Christianity will either bend their knee to our father or burn in hell. It's never too late to ask forgiveness for your sins and get right with God. I have rebuked demons in the name of Jesus. You can too but u must stop your sinning and ask God yourself.