Lisa - How do you really know who it is you are hearing?
Are the words audible or do the thoughts just pop into your head?
If they are just thoughts how do you distinguish your thoughts from these other ones?
People in the following passages claim to have seen/heard GOD.
Genesis 17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.
Genesis 18:1 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
Exodus 6:2-3 And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD:
And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
And in other verses Exodus 24:9-11, and Numbers 12:6-8, and
Acts 7:2.
YET GOD allegedly said
Exodus 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
AND JESUS allegedly said
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
AND
John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
AND
John 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.
AND Paul wrote
1 Timothy 6:15-16 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;
Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
So either the people who claim to have seen or heard GOD are lying OR Jesus is wrong.
I don't know if GOD speaks through you or not... BUT the Bible quotes people as having seen and heard him and yet Jesus in 1:18 totally contradicts these people seeing him, and John 5:37 seems to deny both seeing and hearing.
How might this apply to you and what you are saying?
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1190661 Unless I missed it Lisa you failed to discuss any of the things I mentioned here.
I'll let people draw their own conclusions.
BUT if the Bible, faith and belief in the book is the source of all people's GODly knowledge then I'm afraid people are in for some big surprises.
Back to the book everyone... I see most of you really know it anyway, even though you would claimthat you do...lol
Sad but true!
If people were seeing God and not the Father it must have been something else, yes? The awesome thing about the King James Bible is it has answers to these questions.
We believe God as one but as three, The Father, The Word or Son and the Holy Ghost. One of the three that are in the Godhead.
I would say it was the Word (Christ Jesus) before he became flesh.
I am just a child in Christ Jesus and claim no great knowledge, i do however trust in my Lord and King. He gave us his word and what God would he be if he could not protect the Holy Scripture.
If there any good that comes from me it is not of me but of my God.
Christ Jesus my Lord, my King, my Savior, my God.
John 1:1-5
King James Version (KJV)
John 1
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." "The same was in the beginning with God."
"All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."
"In him was life; and the life was the light of men."
"And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not."
John 1:12-14
King James Version (KJV)
"But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:"
"Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."
"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."John 1:12-14 Colossians 2:8-10 1 John 5:6-9
King James Version (KJV)
"Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ."
"For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily." "And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:"
1 John 5:6-9
King James Version (KJV)
"This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth."
"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." "And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."
"If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son."
So was Jesus called God?
John 20:25-29
King James Version (KJV)
"The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the LORD. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe."
"And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you."
"Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing."
"And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God." "Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed."
Philippians 2:5-7
King James Version (KJV)
"Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:"
"Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:"
Hebrews 1:5-10
King James Version (KJV)
"For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?"
"And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him."
"And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire."
"But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom." "Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows."
"And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:"
So Men say John 1:12-14, Colossians 2:8-10, 1 John 5:6-9, Hebrews 1:5-10 and Thomas calls jesus GOD and we don't know if Jesus corrected him BUT
JESUS said
Mark 7:7-9 Their worship is a farce, for they teach man-made ideas as commands from God.
For you ignore God’s law and substitute your own tradition.”
Then he said, “You skilfully sidestep God’s law in order to hold on to your own tradition.
Jesus the one you allegedly worship said these things.
Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
Jesus states don't call me good ONLY GOD is good!
This is an outright separation of Jesus and GOD isn't it? Jesus said it!
John 5:37 Jesus says "And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape."
Noone has seen GOD and yet Jesus/GOD was sitting in front of them... How can this be?
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
If no man has seen GOD at any time then is Jesus being GOD lying?
John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
He assends to GOD. They are separate!
John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
So the father is greater than Jesus so how can Jesus be GOD? If they were the same wouldn't they be equal?
Matthew 26:39 “And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.”
Was he praying to himself? If Jesus was GOD he wouldn't have said this!
John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
Both have life in themselves... Why does Jesus separate what is supposedly the same?
John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
Without GOD Jesus can do nothing, is another statement of separation. It is GOD's will Jesus seeks not his own. GOD sent Jesus to Earth!
John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
The son sees the father do things and then emulates GOD? Is the penny dropping yet?
Matthew 6:9 Our Father, which art in Heaven hallowed be thy name.
Was Jesus praying to himself? And isn't heaven supposedly within?
Matthew 27:46 My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Jesus pleads to know why GOD had foresaken him. If Jesus is GOD this makes no sense at all. Is he pleading with himself asking why he has foresaken himself? So by ignoring this are you saying GOD and Jesus are illogical?
John 17:21-23 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
This defines how Jesus defines "being as one", if we can be one with Jesus and GOD what is he saying here? I can't be Jesus or GOD so when he uses the words as one he is talking in a spiritual sense, being on the same page and understanding, NOT being one entity.
And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
Question: So we can be GOD also? Jesus further explains oneness here!
John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
GOD sent his SON (an entity) and the Holy Ghost (another entity) in Jesus' name (a third emtity). GOD doesn;t visit you - the Holy Ghost does!
Luke 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.
So we can speak against JESUS but can't speak against the Holy Ghost as the latter only won't be forgiven? Aren't they one in the same under the trinity?
This makes no sense at all...
Many people here need to study more and actually listen to how Jesus explains his oneness with GOD and our ability to be at one with GOD. It doen't make us all the same being!
Study time!
