Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1190661 Quoting: Oath
And Jesus never said this... This is Dogma presented by the Catholic Chuurch and copied by most unthinking Protestants. Quoting: Anonymous Coward
Jesus the one you allegedly worship said this
Mark 7:7-9 Their worship is a farce, for they teach man-made ideas as commands from God.
For you ignore God’s law and substitute your own tradition.”
Then he said, “You skilfully sidestep God’s law in order to hold on to your own tradition.
Jesus the one you allegedly worship said these things.
Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
Jesus states don't call me good ONLY GOD is good!
This is an outright separation of Jesus and GOD isn't it? Jesus said it!
John 5:37 Jesus says "And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape."
Noone has seen GOD and yet Jesus/GOD was sitting in front of them... How can this be?
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
If no man has seen GOD at any time then is Jesus being GOD lying?
John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
He assends to GOD. They are separate!
John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
So the father is greater than Jesus so how can Jesus be GOD? If they were the same wouldn't they be equal?
Matthew 26:39 “And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.”
Was he praying to himself? If Jesus was GOD he wouldn't have said this!
John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
Both have life in themselves... Why does Jesus separate what is supposedly the same?
John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
Without GOD Jesus can do nothing, is another statement of separation. It is GOD's will Jesus seeks not his own. GOD sent Jesus to Earth!
John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
The son sees the father do things and then emulates GOD? Is the penny dropping yet?
Matthew 6:9 Our Father, which art in Heaven hallowed be thy name.
Was Jesus praying to himself? And isn't heaven supposedly within?
Matthew 27:46 My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Jesus pleads to know why GOD had foresaken him. If Jesus is GOD this makes no sense at all. Is he pleading with himself asking why he has foresaken himself? So by ignoring this are you saying GOD and Jesus are illogical?
John 17:21-23 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
This defines how Jesus defines "being as one", if we can be one with Jesus and GOD what is he saying here? I can't be Jesus or GOD so when he uses the words as one he is talking in a spiritual sense, being on the same page and understanding, NOT being one entity.
And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
Question: So we can be GOD also? Jesus further explains oneness here!
John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
GOD sent his SON (an entity) and the Holy Ghost (another entity) in Jesus' name (a third emtity). GOD doesn;t visit you - the Holy Ghost does!
Luke 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.
So we can speak against JESUS but can't speak against the Holy Ghost as the latter only won't be forgiven? Aren't they one in the same under the trinity?
This makes no sense at all...
Many people here need to study more and actually listen to how Jesus explains his oneness with GOD and our ability to be at one with GOD. It doen't make us all the same being!
Scripture was given that is clear in this matter, there are three in heaven the Father, the Word (Christ Jesus), and the Holy Ghost, they are one. I take the word of scripture over the word of any man or spirit, this is how we test the spirits.
Scripture was given showing Christ Jesus making himself of no repute, taking on the form of a servant, the likeness of men, but when he was in the form of God he thought it not robbery to be equal to God. It is not hard to understand why Christ Jesus would say, why do you call me good, there is no one good but God, or pray to the Father, or do many of the things we human christians do. because he humbled himself when he was in the form of a man.
Scripture was given that clearly shows Christ Jesus being called God. I can not make you believe the holy scripture, God will not make you believe the scripture. This is what i believe and scripture backs that belief up in my eyes.
One last scripture showing two of the three in the Godhead.
King James Version (KJV)
"Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias."
"While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him."
"And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid."
"And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid."
"And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only."
"And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the
I think I have proven that you just will not follow Jesus' teachings but instead follow man's, any man's as long as it is in the Bible.
So I will let Jesus' OWN words have the final say on matters.
You are making a mistake with scripture. Has your indoctrinated dogma has closed your ears?John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him (GOD) should not perish, but have everlasting life.
It is very clear that the him is GOD who sent Jesus ... NOT Jesus! And this is proven in John 5:24.John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him (GOD) that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Either John 5:24 is 100% incorrect or you are misreading who the him is in John 3:15 and John 3:16.
John 5:24 is very very specific!
Jesus your alleged GOD sent himself? WOW that is rather illogical but please follow man's dogma, it's your choice!
AND"Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
This is GOD the master of Universes' son talking and still you will not listen. Amazing!
Are you really a Christian if you totally ignore Jesus' words?
I stand by what the scripture says, they are three and one. The scripture is clear, you either have not read the scripture i have posted or you have and can not understand it.
Believe what you will.
1 John 5:7
King James Version (KJV)
"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."