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THE LAWLESS AND PERVERSE CHURCHES AND WHY MANY WILL NOT MAKE IT IN THE KINGDAOM

 
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Correct. The false teachers destroy the Gate (Jesus' teachings) which then allow the walls (laws) to be destroyed. You are then corrupted. Read Nehemiah.

But WHY is this allowed?

Go back to Genesis - after man was taken out of Eden, a cherub and a FLAMING TURNING SWORD was placed along THE WAY to the Tree of Life. Peter reveals this to be a "TURNER OF THE WORD". Someone who will twist the Words so you don't understand. It is also the bird that picks the seed on the side of the path - it takes away your understanding!

But WHY? Because you REFUSE to listen to God! You REBEL against what Jesus is telling you to do! Your heart is hard - which means YOU WON'T DO THE COMMANDS OF GOD. If your heart is hard you will not be allowed to turn to be healed.

But WHY? Because NO evil is allowed into God's Kingdom. The turning sword GUARDS THE WAY.

Jesus is "THE WAY".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20241035


No sir, it is not the angel twisting any words it is YOU who hold on to your fleshly way that cannot approach unto the tree of life...the angel is the "strait" one. It was Adam's flesh separating him from the tree. This was the bad effect of sin.
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There was a cherub AND a "turner of the Word" placed along the way. You are talking about one and I am talking about the other.

See 2 Peter 2:1-3

False teachers have inundated the churches telling people the laws no longer apply. Jesus reveals these "word turners" to be: regular people, disciples, the Godless.

But in the end, it comes down to what Jesus stated: a person will not be allowed to turn to be healed if their heart is hard. Scripture tells us that a hard heart means "won't do the commands of God". Which, ties into your statement - people don't want to give up their earthly ways. They therefore will ignore Jesus and listen to those who tell them exactly what THEY want to hear.
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Just shaking your finger at everyone else demanding that THEY keep the law doesn't make you a "covenant keeper". No one can "keep" the law in perfection. That's why the Temple was visited yearly to atone for the previous years sins. Where do you even get the idea that ANYONE is capable of keeping EVERY commandment?

Are you without sin?
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Oh yes it can and does. This we are promised.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine owne Name, those whom thou hast giuen mee, that they may bee one, as we are.
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where do you get these teachings from? I mean come on!


and who is we?


the holy spirit is given unto those who obey his commands, that text messiah was referring to his apostles first to begin with.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


Really look at the rest of the chapter or at least a bit further down

20 And I do not pray for these alone, but for those also who shall believe on Me through their word, 21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You, that they also may be one in Us, so that the world may believe that You have sent Me. 22 And I have given them the glory which You have given Me, that they may be one, even as We are one, 23 I in them, and You in Me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that You have sent Me and have loved them as You have loved Me.

That's from the modern King James version. The Peshitta (and that's older than yours) says the same thing in an Syriac sort of way of coarse.

The bottom line is to pick our cross and follow him and he followed the Commandments so we are to do the same.

The next question is who here is without sin?
 Quoting: dschis1000


Not a single one of us. So how many of us are keeping the commandments then?

None.

So why does anyone have the right to be preaching to keep the commandments then?
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Don't mean we shouldn't try, Matter of fact we should want and aspire to
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This why the messiah came to be a sacrifice for the world.The law had a fault which was called the curse of the law whereby if a man broke one comandment he was to be killed because he was hten guilty of all.We are not perfect in this flesh s with the new covenant established by the messiahs death we had grace, which is the grace of God that we continue to strive for the perfect gift and working out or salvation daily in obedience.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


That curse of the law is Paul talking. If it isnt then again why are Moses, Jonah, David, Lot and more accepted in the Almighty's eyes? They all sinned in different ways yet (according to Scripture) were still accounted as righteous in the Almighty's eyes.

Sacrifice? It doesnt sound like paganism to you? Lets see what the Almighty who is greater than Jesus said about someone dying for others sins:

Exodus 32
30 And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses said unto the people, Ye have sinned a great sin: and now I will go up unto the Lord; peradventure I shall make an atonement for your sin. 31 And Moses returned unto the Lord, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold. 32 Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written. 33 And the Lord said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book. 34 Therefore now go, lead the people unto the place of which I have spoken unto thee: behold, mine Angel shall go before thee: nevertheless in the day when I visit I will visit their sin upon them.35 And the Lord plagued the people, because they made the calf, which Aaron made.

Here you see Moses tried to make the same atonement Jesus did. What did the Almighty say? He didnt say that Moses wasnt perfect so he couldnt do that. He said that the one that sins against HIM (the Almighty) is the one HE will blot out of the book of the living.

Deuteronomy 24:16
16 Parents are not to be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their parents; each will die for their own sin.


This is not only telling you that the child and parent will die for their own sin, but telling you THAT EACH will die for their own sin. Meaning no one will take the place of another to cover that "another's" sins.

Ezekiel 18
20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.


The soul that sins is the one that dies. The righteousness shall be on him that is righteous and the wickedness on the one that is wicked. I think if the Almighty (who remember is greater than Jesus according to him) said this three times or more that HE meant it. He wouldnt say it then later change his mind about it IMO
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Correct. The false teachers destroy the Gate (Jesus' teachings) which then allow the walls (laws) to be destroyed. You are then corrupted. Read Nehemiah.

But WHY is this allowed?

Go back to Genesis - after man was taken out of Eden, a cherub and a FLAMING TURNING SWORD was placed along THE WAY to the Tree of Life. Peter reveals this to be a "TURNER OF THE WORD". Someone who will twist the Words so you don't understand. It is also the bird that picks the seed on the side of the path - it takes away your understanding!

But WHY? Because you REFUSE to listen to God! You REBEL against what Jesus is telling you to do! Your heart is hard - which means YOU WON'T DO THE COMMANDS OF GOD. If your heart is hard you will not be allowed to turn to be healed.

But WHY? Because NO evil is allowed into God's Kingdom. The turning sword GUARDS THE WAY.

Jesus is "THE WAY".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20241035


No sir, it is not the angel twisting any words it is YOU who hold on to your fleshly way that cannot approach unto the tree of life...the angel is the "strait" one. It was Adam's flesh separating him from the tree. This was the bad effect of sin.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16701148


There was a cherub AND a "turner of the Word" placed along the way. You are talking about one and I am talking about the other.

See 2 Peter 2:1-3

False teachers have inundated the churches telling people the laws no longer apply. Jesus reveals these "word turners" to be: regular people, disciples, the Godless.

But in the end, it comes down to what Jesus stated: a person will not be allowed to turn to be healed if their heart is hard. Scripture tells us that a hard heart means "won't do the commands of God". Which, ties into your statement - people don't want to give up their earthly ways. They therefore will ignore Jesus and listen to those who tell them exactly what THEY want to hear.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20241035


Just shaking your finger at everyone else demanding that THEY keep the law doesn't make you a "covenant keeper". No one can "keep" the law in perfection. That's why the Temple was visited yearly to atone for the previous years sins. Where do you even get the idea that ANYONE is capable of keeping EVERY commandment?

Are you without sin?
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There was One, but he only had 24 chromosomes.
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Thanks for replying. I'm sorry I'm not doing a better job of answering you right now. I'm going on little sleep, and now we have seldom seen relatives coming over and i guess I will have to somehow try to impersonate a natural-born hostess within an hour or so. [At the very least, I will feel like a fraud and probably gonna be exposed as one too!]

Prophecy: The Messiah would be born of a virgin. ( Isaiah 7:14.) The Hebrew word bethu·lah means “virgin,” but another term (al·mah) appears at Isaiah 7:14. There it was prophesied that “the maiden [ha·al·mah]” would give birth to a son. The word al·mah is applied to the maiden Rebekah before her marriage. (Gen. 24:16, 43) Under inspiration, Matthew used the Greek word for “virgin” (par·thenos) when showing that Isaiah 7:14 was fulfilled in connection with the birth of Jesus. The Gospel writers Matthew and Luke state that Mary was a virgin who became pregnant through the operation of God’s spirit.—Matt. 1:18-25; Luke 1:26-35.

(Isaiah 7:14) Therefore Jehovah himself will give YOU men a sign: Look! The maiden [ALMAH NOT BETHULAH] herself will actually become pregnant, and she is giving birth to a son, and she will certainly call his name Im·man u·el.

(Genesis 24:16) Now the young woman was very attractive in appearance, a virgin [BETHULAH NOT ALMAH], and no man had had sexual intercourse with her; and she made her way down to the fountain and began to fill her water jar and then came up.

(Genesis 24:43) here I am stationed at a fountain of water. What must occur is that the maiden [ALMAH NOT BETHULAH so it should say virgin as most translations do] coming out to draw water to whom I shall actually say: “Please, let me drink a little water from your jar,”

(Matthew 1:18-25) But the birth of Jesus Christ was in this way. During the time his mother Mary was promised in marriage to Joseph, she was found to be pregnant by holy spirit before they were united. 19 However, Joseph her husband, because he was righteous and did not want to make her a public spectacle, intended to divorce her secretly. 20 But after he had thought these things over, look! Jehovah’s angel appeared to him in a dream, saying: “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary your wife home, for that which has been begotten in her is by holy spirit. 21 She will give birth to a son, and you must call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.” 22 All this actually came about for that to be fulfilled which was spoken by Jehovah through his prophet, saying: 23 “Look! The virgin will become pregnant and will give birth to a son, and they will call his name Im·manu·el,” which means, when translated, “With Us Is God.” 24 Then Joseph woke up from his sleep and did as the angel of Jehovah had directed him, and he took his wife home. 25 But he had no intercourse with her until she gave birth to a son; and he called his name Jesus.

(Luke 1:26-35) In her sixth month the angel Gabri·el was sent forth from God to a city of Gali·lee named Naza·reth, 27 to a virgin promised in marriage to a man named Joseph of David’s house; and the name of the virgin was Mary. 28 And when he went in before her he said: “Good day, highly favored one, Jehovah is with you.” 29 But she was deeply disturbed at the saying and began to reason out what sort of greeting this might be. 30 So the angel said to her: “Have no fear, Mary, for you have found favor with God; 31 and, look! you will conceive in your womb and give birth to a son, and you are to call his name Jesus. 32 This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High; and Jehovah God will give him the throne of David his father, 33 and he will rule as king over the house of Jacob forever, and there will be no end of his kingdom.” 34 But Mary said to the angel: “How is this to be, since I am having no intercourse with a man?” 35 In answer the angel said to her: “Holy spirit will come upon you, and power of the Most High will overshadow you. For that reason also what is born will be called holy, God’s Son.

This is a working hypothesis for me:"All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, that every man of God may be fully equipped for every good work." 2 Timothy 3: 16,17

I will post this and then come back later about other stuff you mentioned.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10858311


Hope you're doing well now lol I understand how stressful it can get at times when hosting relatives. :(

About the virgin birth, simply put its paganism. Look at how many virgin births have happened throughout ancient histroy. Jesus wasnt the only one. Then check out how many came and died for sins. Again Jesus wasnt the only one.

About Isaiah 7:14 look at what I put into your quote in red. It differentiates VIRGIN and maiden. The word used in Isaiah 7:14 is maiden not virgin. Therefore that eliminates Luke and Matthew saying it said virgin because in Hebrew that is not the word. Theres more twisting in the New testament but that would be on you to ask or to research.

Lastly about Paul saying all scripture etc... Well what is scripture? Muslims account it as the quran. Buddhists the veda (I think). Christians the NT. Jews the Tanakh (or "old" testament) and more. So which is which? I believe what the Almighty said thru his servants and prophets in the "old" testament is what is scripture. The rest is mans opinion. The NT doesnt match the Tanakh. If it did then the Tanakh wouldnt say a man could NOT die for another's sins while the "new" testament says that a man can AND DID. Thats just one contradiction without even touching things such as the trinity and the twisting of messianic prophecies to fit Jesus. It would be wise to research what I said and see if its true what I said. Just in case because it IS YOUR SOUL THAT YOU ARE ACCOUNTABLE FOR.
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Kinda sad that people think that since someone died they dont have to follow the commandments of the Almighty. Im sorry to say this but your god (Jesus) will not save you out of the Almighty's hand. NO ONE CAN. You will see one day I just hope that is before Judgement day.
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This why the messiah came to be a sacrifice for the world.The law had a fault which was called the curse of the law whereby if a man broke one comandment he was to be killed because he was hten guilty of all.We are not perfect in this flesh s with the new covenant established by the messiahs death we had grace, which is the grace of God that we continue to strive for the perfect gift and working out or salvation daily in obedience.
 Quoting: Neim-Ya'shar


That curse of the law is Paul talking. If it isnt then again why are Moses, Jonah, David, Lot and more accepted in the Almighty's eyes? They all sinned in different ways yet (according to Scripture) were still accounted as righteous in the Almighty's eyes.

Sacrifice? It doesnt sound like paganism to you? Lets see what the Almighty who is greater than Jesus said about someone dying for others sins:

Exodus 32
30 And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses said unto the people, Ye have sinned a great sin: and now I will go up unto the Lord; peradventure I shall make an atonement for your sin. 31 And Moses returned unto the Lord, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold. 32 Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written. 33 And the Lord said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book. 34 Therefore now go, lead the people unto the place of which I have spoken unto thee: behold, mine Angel shall go before thee: nevertheless in the day when I visit I will visit their sin upon them.35 And the Lord plagued the people, because they made the calf, which Aaron made.

Here you see Moses tried to make the same atonement Jesus did. What did the Almighty say? He didnt say that Moses wasnt perfect so he couldnt do that. He said that the one that sins against HIM (the Almighty) is the one HE will blot out of the book of the living.

Deuteronomy 24:16
16 Parents are not to be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their parents; each will die for their own sin.


This is not only telling you that the child and parent will die for their own sin, but telling you THAT EACH will die for their own sin. Meaning no one will take the place of another to cover that "another's" sins.

Ezekiel 18
20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.


The soul that sins is the one that dies. The righteousness shall be on him that is righteous and the wickedness on the one that is wicked. I think if the Almighty (who remember is greater than Jesus according to him) said this three times or more that HE meant it. He wouldnt say it then later change his mind about it IMO
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we all know we aren't supposed to sin, but we do. All throughout the OT and the NT there is always Grace and REPENTANCE.

I will repeat there was only one that had a sinless life and even He said there was only One that is good.

Do your very best to live every day in righteousness, charity, and love for our Father and your fellow man. Repent daily, pray every time you have moment to yourself. Read the Bible, it'll remind you where your shortcomings are. Be humble and love one another. Most of all, trust in Jesus.

Blessings
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we all know we aren't supposed to sin, but we do. All throughout the OT and the NT there is always Grace and REPENTANCE.

I will repeat there was only one that had a sinless life and even He said there was only One that is good.

Do your very best to live every day in righteousness, charity, and love for our Father and your fellow man. Repent daily, pray every time you have moment to yourself. Read the Bible, it'll remind you where your shortcomings are. Be humble and love one another. Most of all, trust in Jesus.

Blessings
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Lovely. :)
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Thanks for replying. I'm sorry I'm not doing a better job of answering you right now. I'm going on little sleep, and now we have seldom seen relatives coming over and i guess I will have to somehow try to impersonate a natural-born hostess within an hour or so. [At the very least, I will feel like a fraud and probably gonna be exposed as one too!]

Prophecy: The Messiah would be born of a virgin. ( Isaiah 7:14.) The Hebrew word bethu·lah means “virgin,” but another term (al·mah) appears at Isaiah 7:14. There it was prophesied that “the maiden [ha·al·mah]” would give birth to a son. The word al·mah is applied to the maiden Rebekah before her marriage. (Gen. 24:16, 43) Under inspiration, Matthew used the Greek word for “virgin” (par·thenos) when showing that Isaiah 7:14 was fulfilled in connection with the birth of Jesus. The Gospel writers Matthew and Luke state that Mary was a virgin who became pregnant through the operation of God’s spirit.—Matt. 1:18-25; Luke 1:26-35.

(Isaiah 7:14) Therefore Jehovah himself will give YOU men a sign: Look! The maiden [ALMAH NOT BETHULAH] herself will actually become pregnant, and she is giving birth to a son, and she will certainly call his name Im·man u·el.

(Genesis 24:16) Now the young woman was very attractive in appearance, a virgin [BETHULAH NOT ALMAH], and no man had had sexual intercourse with her; and she made her way down to the fountain and began to fill her water jar and then came up.

(Genesis 24:43) here I am stationed at a fountain of water. What must occur is that the maiden [ALMAH NOT BETHULAH so it should say virgin as most translations do] coming out to draw water to whom I shall actually say: “Please, let me drink a little water from your jar,”

(Matthew 1:18-25) But the birth of Jesus Christ was in this way. During the time his mother Mary was promised in marriage to Joseph, she was found to be pregnant by holy spirit before they were united. 19 However, Joseph her husband, because he was righteous and did not want to make her a public spectacle, intended to divorce her secretly. 20 But after he had thought these things over, look! Jehovah’s angel appeared to him in a dream, saying: “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary your wife home, for that which has been begotten in her is by holy spirit. 21 She will give birth to a son, and you must call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.” 22 All this actually came about for that to be fulfilled which was spoken by Jehovah through his prophet, saying: 23 “Look! The virgin will become pregnant and will give birth to a son, and they will call his name Im·manu·el,” which means, when translated, “With Us Is God.” 24 Then Joseph woke up from his sleep and did as the angel of Jehovah had directed him, and he took his wife home. 25 But he had no intercourse with her until she gave birth to a son; and he called his name Jesus.

(Luke 1:26-35) In her sixth month the angel Gabri·el was sent forth from God to a city of Gali·lee named Naza·reth, 27 to a virgin promised in marriage to a man named Joseph of David’s house; and the name of the virgin was Mary. 28 And when he went in before her he said: “Good day, highly favored one, Jehovah is with you.” 29 But she was deeply disturbed at the saying and began to reason out what sort of greeting this might be. 30 So the angel said to her: “Have no fear, Mary, for you have found favor with God; 31 and, look! you will conceive in your womb and give birth to a son, and you are to call his name Jesus. 32 This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High; and Jehovah God will give him the throne of David his father, 33 and he will rule as king over the house of Jacob forever, and there will be no end of his kingdom.” 34 But Mary said to the angel: “How is this to be, since I am having no intercourse with a man?” 35 In answer the angel said to her: “Holy spirit will come upon you, and power of the Most High will overshadow you. For that reason also what is born will be called holy, God’s Son.

This is a working hypothesis for me:"All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, that every man of God may be fully equipped for every good work." 2 Timothy 3: 16,17

I will post this and then come back later about other stuff you mentioned.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10858311


Hope you're doing well now lol I understand how stressful it can get at times when hosting relatives. :(

About the virgin birth, simply put its paganism. Look at how many virgin births have happened throughout ancient histroy. Jesus wasnt the only one. Then check out how many came and died for sins. Again Jesus wasnt the only one.

About Isaiah 7:14 look at what I put into your quote in red. It differentiates VIRGIN and maiden. The word used in Isaiah 7:14 is maiden not virgin. Therefore that eliminates Luke and Matthew saying it said virgin because in Hebrew that is not the word. Theres more twisting in the New testament but that would be on you to ask or to research.

Lastly about Paul saying all scripture etc... Well what is scripture? Muslims account it as the quran. Buddhists the veda (I think). Christians the NT. Jews the Tanakh (or "old" testament) and more. So which is which? I believe what the Almighty said thru his servants and prophets in the "old" testament is what is scripture. The rest is mans opinion. The NT doesnt match the Tanakh. If it did then the Tanakh wouldnt say a man could NOT die for another's sins while the "new" testament says that a man can AND DID. Thats just one contradiction without even touching things such as the trinity and the twisting of messianic prophecies to fit Jesus. It would be wise to research what I said and see if its true what I said. Just in case because it IS YOUR SOUL THAT YOU ARE ACCOUNTABLE FOR.
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Sounds like there is a choice I'll keep mine
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Sounds like there is a choice I'll keep mine
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Oh, there is. And by all means, seek the path that you feel is right. Anyone that says you should do differently should take a long walk off a short pier.

As I say to many people that come to me for advice and such: Your path is between you and the Elohim. No man can judge you, only He can. In fact, anyone that does judge you is in direct violation of the words of HaMoshiach Himself so they can just piss off. :)

While I never seem to nail it as well as I wish I could, I try very hard to never push my beliefs off on others. (sure, once upon a time, I was pretty ugly about it, but I'm grown since then ... at least I hope) I only wish more would do the same.

I hope your path leads you to whatever it is you seek.

Shalom.
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Thanks for replying. I'm sorry I'm not doing a better job of answering you right now. I'm going on little sleep, and now we have seldom seen relatives coming over and i guess I will have to somehow try to impersonate a natural-born hostess within an hour or so. [At the very least, I will feel like a fraud and probably gonna be exposed as one too!]

Prophecy: The Messiah would be born of a virgin. ( Isaiah 7:14.) The Hebrew word bethu·lah means “virgin,” but another term (al·mah) appears at Isaiah 7:14. There it was prophesied that “the maiden [ha·al·mah]” would give birth to a son. The word al·mah is applied to the maiden Rebekah before her marriage. (Gen. 24:16, 43) Under inspiration, Matthew used the Greek word for “virgin” (par·thenos) when showing that Isaiah 7:14 was fulfilled in connection with the birth of Jesus. The Gospel writers Matthew and Luke state that Mary was a virgin who became pregnant through the operation of God’s spirit.—Matt. 1:18-25; Luke 1:26-35.

(Isaiah 7:14) Therefore Jehovah himself will give YOU men a sign: Look! The maiden [ALMAH NOT BETHULAH] herself will actually become pregnant, and she is giving birth to a son, and she will certainly call his name Im·man u·el.

(Genesis 24:16) Now the young woman was very attractive in appearance, a virgin [BETHULAH NOT ALMAH], and no man had had sexual intercourse with her; and she made her way down to the fountain and began to fill her water jar and then came up.

(Genesis 24:43) here I am stationed at a fountain of water. What must occur is that the maiden [ALMAH NOT BETHULAH so it should say virgin as most translations do] coming out to draw water to whom I shall actually say: “Please, let me drink a little water from your jar,”

(Matthew 1:18-25) But the birth of Jesus Christ was in this way. During the time his mother Mary was promised in marriage to Joseph, she was found to be pregnant by holy spirit before they were united. 19 However, Joseph her husband, because he was righteous and did not want to make her a public spectacle, intended to divorce her secretly. 20 But after he had thought these things over, look! Jehovah’s angel appeared to him in a dream, saying: “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary your wife home, for that which has been begotten in her is by holy spirit. 21 She will give birth to a son, and you must call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.” 22 All this actually came about for that to be fulfilled which was spoken by Jehovah through his prophet, saying: 23 “Look! The virgin will become pregnant and will give birth to a son, and they will call his name Im·manu·el,” which means, when translated, “With Us Is God.” 24 Then Joseph woke up from his sleep and did as the angel of Jehovah had directed him, and he took his wife home. 25 But he had no intercourse with her until she gave birth to a son; and he called his name Jesus.

(Luke 1:26-35) In her sixth month the angel Gabri·el was sent forth from God to a city of Gali·lee named Naza·reth, 27 to a virgin promised in marriage to a man named Joseph of David’s house; and the name of the virgin was Mary. 28 And when he went in before her he said: “Good day, highly favored one, Jehovah is with you.” 29 But she was deeply disturbed at the saying and began to reason out what sort of greeting this might be. 30 So the angel said to her: “Have no fear, Mary, for you have found favor with God; 31 and, look! you will conceive in your womb and give birth to a son, and you are to call his name Jesus. 32 This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High; and Jehovah God will give him the throne of David his father, 33 and he will rule as king over the house of Jacob forever, and there will be no end of his kingdom.” 34 But Mary said to the angel: “How is this to be, since I am having no intercourse with a man?” 35 In answer the angel said to her: “Holy spirit will come upon you, and power of the Most High will overshadow you. For that reason also what is born will be called holy, God’s Son.

This is a working hypothesis for me:"All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, that every man of God may be fully equipped for every good work." 2 Timothy 3: 16,17

I will post this and then come back later about other stuff you mentioned.
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Hope you're doing well now lol I understand how stressful it can get at times when hosting relatives. :(

About the virgin birth, simply put its paganism. Look at how many virgin births have happened throughout ancient histroy. Jesus wasnt the only one. Then check out how many came and died for sins. Again Jesus wasnt the only one.

About Isaiah 7:14 look at what I put into your quote in red. It differentiates VIRGIN and maiden. The word used in Isaiah 7:14 is maiden not virgin. Therefore that eliminates Luke and Matthew saying it said virgin because in Hebrew that is not the word. Theres more twisting in the New testament but that would be on you to ask or to research.

Lastly about Paul saying all scripture etc... Well what is scripture? Muslims account it as the quran. Buddhists the veda (I think). Christians the NT. Jews the Tanakh (or "old" testament) and more. So which is which? I believe what the Almighty said thru his servants and prophets in the "old" testament is what is scripture. The rest is mans opinion. The NT doesnt match the Tanakh. If it did then the Tanakh wouldnt say a man could NOT die for another's sins while the "new" testament says that a man can AND DID. Thats just one contradiction without even touching things such as the trinity and the twisting of messianic prophecies to fit Jesus. It would be wise to research what I said and see if its true what I said. Just in case because it IS YOUR SOUL THAT YOU ARE ACCOUNTABLE FOR.
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Sounds like there is a choice I'll keep mine
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BTW Isaiah 7:14 in my Peshitta calls her a virgin. That particular one is probably older than your Bible
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Sounds like there is a choice I'll keep mine
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Oh, there is. And by all means, seek the path that you feel is right. Anyone that says you should do differently should take a long walk off a short pier.

As I say to many people that come to me for advice and such: Your path is between you and the Elohim. No man can judge you, only He can. In fact, anyone that does judge you is in direct violation of the words of HaMoshiach Himself so they can just piss off. :)

While I never seem to nail it as well as I wish I could, I try very hard to never push my beliefs off on others. (sure, once upon a time, I was pretty ugly about it, but I'm grown since then ... at least I hope) I only wish more would do the same.

I hope your path leads you to whatever it is you seek.

Shalom.
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Amen and the same to you.
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This why the messiah came to be a sacrifice for the world.The law had a fault which was called the curse of the law whereby if a man broke one comandment he was to be killed because he was hten guilty of all.We are not perfect in this flesh s with the new covenant established by the messiahs death we had grace, which is the grace of God that we continue to strive for the perfect gift and working out or salvation daily in obedience.
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That curse of the law is Paul talking. If it isnt then again why are Moses, Jonah, David, Lot and more accepted in the Almighty's eyes? They all sinned in different ways yet (according to Scripture) were still accounted as righteous in the Almighty's eyes.

Sacrifice? It doesnt sound like paganism to you? Lets see what the Almighty who is greater than Jesus said about someone dying for others sins:

Exodus 32
30 And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses said unto the people, Ye have sinned a great sin: and now I will go up unto the Lord; peradventure I shall make an atonement for your sin. 31 And Moses returned unto the Lord, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold. 32 Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written. 33 And the Lord said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book. 34 Therefore now go, lead the people unto the place of which I have spoken unto thee: behold, mine Angel shall go before thee: nevertheless in the day when I visit I will visit their sin upon them.35 And the Lord plagued the people, because they made the calf, which Aaron made.

Here you see Moses tried to make the same atonement Jesus did. What did the Almighty say? He didnt say that Moses wasnt perfect so he couldnt do that. He said that the one that sins against HIM (the Almighty) is the one HE will blot out of the book of the living.

Deuteronomy 24:16
16 Parents are not to be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their parents; each will die for their own sin.


This is not only telling you that the child and parent will die for their own sin, but telling you THAT EACH will die for their own sin. Meaning no one will take the place of another to cover that "another's" sins.

Ezekiel 18
20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.


The soul that sins is the one that dies. The righteousness shall be on him that is righteous and the wickedness on the one that is wicked. I think if the Almighty (who remember is greater than Jesus according to him) said this three times or more that HE meant it. He wouldnt say it then later change his mind about it IMO
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we all know we aren't supposed to sin, but we do. All throughout the OT and the NT there is always Grace and REPENTANCE.

I will repeat there was only one that had a sinless life and even He said there was only One that is good.

Do your very best to live every day in righteousness, charity, and love for our Father and your fellow man. Repent daily, pray every time you have moment to yourself. Read the Bible, it'll remind you where your shortcomings are. Be humble and love one another. Most of all, trust in Jesus.

Blessings
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I agree this is a good message. I dont believe in Jesus but hey if thats what you believe that is what you believe. Thanks for you kind message though :)
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Thanks for replying. I'm sorry I'm not doing a better job of answering you right now. I'm going on little sleep, and now we have seldom seen relatives coming over and i guess I will have to somehow try to impersonate a natural-born hostess within an hour or so. [At the very least, I will feel like a fraud and probably gonna be exposed as one too!]

Prophecy: The Messiah would be born of a virgin. ( Isaiah 7:14.) The Hebrew word bethu·lah means “virgin,” but another term (al·mah) appears at Isaiah 7:14. There it was prophesied that “the maiden [ha·al·mah]” would give birth to a son. The word al·mah is applied to the maiden Rebekah before her marriage. (Gen. 24:16, 43) Under inspiration, Matthew used the Greek word for “virgin” (par·thenos) when showing that Isaiah 7:14 was fulfilled in connection with the birth of Jesus. The Gospel writers Matthew and Luke state that Mary was a virgin who became pregnant through the operation of God’s spirit.—Matt. 1:18-25; Luke 1:26-35.

(Isaiah 7:14) Therefore Jehovah himself will give YOU men a sign: Look! The maiden [ALMAH NOT BETHULAH] herself will actually become pregnant, and she is giving birth to a son, and she will certainly call his name Im·man u·el.

(Genesis 24:16) Now the young woman was very attractive in appearance, a virgin [BETHULAH NOT ALMAH], and no man had had sexual intercourse with her; and she made her way down to the fountain and began to fill her water jar and then came up.

(Genesis 24:43) here I am stationed at a fountain of water. What must occur is that the maiden [ALMAH NOT BETHULAH so it should say virgin as most translations do] coming out to draw water to whom I shall actually say: “Please, let me drink a little water from your jar,”

(Matthew 1:18-25) But the birth of Jesus Christ was in this way. During the time his mother Mary was promised in marriage to Joseph, she was found to be pregnant by holy spirit before they were united. 19 However, Joseph her husband, because he was righteous and did not want to make her a public spectacle, intended to divorce her secretly. 20 But after he had thought these things over, look! Jehovah’s angel appeared to him in a dream, saying: “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary your wife home, for that which has been begotten in her is by holy spirit. 21 She will give birth to a son, and you must call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.” 22 All this actually came about for that to be fulfilled which was spoken by Jehovah through his prophet, saying: 23 “Look! The virgin will become pregnant and will give birth to a son, and they will call his name Im·manu·el,” which means, when translated, “With Us Is God.” 24 Then Joseph woke up from his sleep and did as the angel of Jehovah had directed him, and he took his wife home. 25 But he had no intercourse with her until she gave birth to a son; and he called his name Jesus.

(Luke 1:26-35) In her sixth month the angel Gabri·el was sent forth from God to a city of Gali·lee named Naza·reth, 27 to a virgin promised in marriage to a man named Joseph of David’s house; and the name of the virgin was Mary. 28 And when he went in before her he said: “Good day, highly favored one, Jehovah is with you.” 29 But she was deeply disturbed at the saying and began to reason out what sort of greeting this might be. 30 So the angel said to her: “Have no fear, Mary, for you have found favor with God; 31 and, look! you will conceive in your womb and give birth to a son, and you are to call his name Jesus. 32 This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High; and Jehovah God will give him the throne of David his father, 33 and he will rule as king over the house of Jacob forever, and there will be no end of his kingdom.” 34 But Mary said to the angel: “How is this to be, since I am having no intercourse with a man?” 35 In answer the angel said to her: “Holy spirit will come upon you, and power of the Most High will overshadow you. For that reason also what is born will be called holy, God’s Son.

This is a working hypothesis for me:"All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, that every man of God may be fully equipped for every good work." 2 Timothy 3: 16,17

I will post this and then come back later about other stuff you mentioned.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10858311


Hope you're doing well now lol I understand how stressful it can get at times when hosting relatives. :(

About the virgin birth, simply put its paganism. Look at how many virgin births have happened throughout ancient histroy. Jesus wasnt the only one. Then check out how many came and died for sins. Again Jesus wasnt the only one.

About Isaiah 7:14 look at what I put into your quote in red. It differentiates VIRGIN and maiden. The word used in Isaiah 7:14 is maiden not virgin. Therefore that eliminates Luke and Matthew saying it said virgin because in Hebrew that is not the word. Theres more twisting in the New testament but that would be on you to ask or to research.

Lastly about Paul saying all scripture etc... Well what is scripture? Muslims account it as the quran. Buddhists the veda (I think). Christians the NT. Jews the Tanakh (or "old" testament) and more. So which is which? I believe what the Almighty said thru his servants and prophets in the "old" testament is what is scripture. The rest is mans opinion. The NT doesnt match the Tanakh. If it did then the Tanakh wouldnt say a man could NOT die for another's sins while the "new" testament says that a man can AND DID. Thats just one contradiction without even touching things such as the trinity and the twisting of messianic prophecies to fit Jesus. It would be wise to research what I said and see if its true what I said. Just in case because it IS YOUR SOUL THAT YOU ARE ACCOUNTABLE FOR.
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Sounds like there is a choice I'll keep mine
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BTW Isaiah 7:14 in my Peshitta calls her a virgin. That particular one is probably older than your Bible
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Hmmm.... older than the hebrew itself?
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Thanks for replying. I'm sorry I'm not doing a better job of answering you right now. I'm going on little sleep, and now we have seldom seen relatives coming over and i guess I will have to somehow try to impersonate a natural-born hostess within an hour or so. [At the very least, I will feel like a fraud and probably gonna be exposed as one too!]

Prophecy: The Messiah would be born of a virgin. ( Isaiah 7:14.) The Hebrew word bethu·lah means “virgin,” but another term (al·mah) appears at Isaiah 7:14. There it was prophesied that “the maiden [ha·al·mah]” would give birth to a son. The word al·mah is applied to the maiden Rebekah before her marriage. (Gen. 24:16, 43) Under inspiration, Matthew used the Greek word for “virgin” (par·thenos) when showing that Isaiah 7:14 was fulfilled in connection with the birth of Jesus. The Gospel writers Matthew and Luke state that Mary was a virgin who became pregnant through the operation of God’s spirit.—Matt. 1:18-25; Luke 1:26-35.

(Isaiah 7:14) Therefore Jehovah himself will give YOU men a sign: Look! The maiden [ALMAH NOT BETHULAH] herself will actually become pregnant, and she is giving birth to a son, and she will certainly call his name Im·man u·el.

(Genesis 24:16) Now the young woman was very attractive in appearance, a virgin [BETHULAH NOT ALMAH], and no man had had sexual intercourse with her; and she made her way down to the fountain and began to fill her water jar and then came up.

(Genesis 24:43) here I am stationed at a fountain of water. What must occur is that the maiden [ALMAH NOT BETHULAH so it should say virgin as most translations do] coming out to draw water to whom I shall actually say: “Please, let me drink a little water from your jar,”

(Matthew 1:18-25) But the birth of Jesus Christ was in this way. During the time his mother Mary was promised in marriage to Joseph, she was found to be pregnant by holy spirit before they were united. 19 However, Joseph her husband, because he was righteous and did not want to make her a public spectacle, intended to divorce her secretly. 20 But after he had thought these things over, look! Jehovah’s angel appeared to him in a dream, saying: “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary your wife home, for that which has been begotten in her is by holy spirit. 21 She will give birth to a son, and you must call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.” 22 All this actually came about for that to be fulfilled which was spoken by Jehovah through his prophet, saying: 23 “Look! The virgin will become pregnant and will give birth to a son, and they will call his name Im·manu·el,” which means, when translated, “With Us Is God.” 24 Then Joseph woke up from his sleep and did as the angel of Jehovah had directed him, and he took his wife home. 25 But he had no intercourse with her until she gave birth to a son; and he called his name Jesus.

(Luke 1:26-35) In her sixth month the angel Gabri·el was sent forth from God to a city of Gali·lee named Naza·reth, 27 to a virgin promised in marriage to a man named Joseph of David’s house; and the name of the virgin was Mary. 28 And when he went in before her he said: “Good day, highly favored one, Jehovah is with you.” 29 But she was deeply disturbed at the saying and began to reason out what sort of greeting this might be. 30 So the angel said to her: “Have no fear, Mary, for you have found favor with God; 31 and, look! you will conceive in your womb and give birth to a son, and you are to call his name Jesus. 32 This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High; and Jehovah God will give him the throne of David his father, 33 and he will rule as king over the house of Jacob forever, and there will be no end of his kingdom.” 34 But Mary said to the angel: “How is this to be, since I am having no intercourse with a man?” 35 In answer the angel said to her: “Holy spirit will come upon you, and power of the Most High will overshadow you. For that reason also what is born will be called holy, God’s Son.

This is a working hypothesis for me:"All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, that every man of God may be fully equipped for every good work." 2 Timothy 3: 16,17

I will post this and then come back later about other stuff you mentioned.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10858311


Hope you're doing well now lol I understand how stressful it can get at times when hosting relatives. :(

About the virgin birth, simply put its paganism. Look at how many virgin births have happened throughout ancient histroy. Jesus wasnt the only one. Then check out how many came and died for sins. Again Jesus wasnt the only one.

About Isaiah 7:14 look at what I put into your quote in red. It differentiates VIRGIN and maiden. The word used in Isaiah 7:14 is maiden not virgin. Therefore that eliminates Luke and Matthew saying it said virgin because in Hebrew that is not the word. Theres more twisting in the New testament but that would be on you to ask or to research.

Lastly about Paul saying all scripture etc... Well what is scripture? Muslims account it as the quran. Buddhists the veda (I think). Christians the NT. Jews the Tanakh (or "old" testament) and more. So which is which? I believe what the Almighty said thru his servants and prophets in the "old" testament is what is scripture. The rest is mans opinion. The NT doesnt match the Tanakh. If it did then the Tanakh wouldnt say a man could NOT die for another's sins while the "new" testament says that a man can AND DID. Thats just one contradiction without even touching things such as the trinity and the twisting of messianic prophecies to fit Jesus. It would be wise to research what I said and see if its true what I said. Just in case because it IS YOUR SOUL THAT YOU ARE ACCOUNTABLE FOR.
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Sounds like there is a choice I'll keep mine
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Life is filled with choices. Just hope we dont choose the wrong one ;)
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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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