THE LAWLESS AND PERVERSE CHURCHES AND WHY MANY WILL NOT MAKE IT IN THE KINGDAOM

Dont forget 1st Samuel 15;22 Samuel replied: "Does the LORD delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as much as in obeying the voice of the LORD? To obey is better than sacrifice, and to heed is better than the fat of rams.

Thats right I love that and applies in my life as well.Just like I remember to keep the Lord.s day holy as he sanctified itand hallowed it.

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Genesis 1:26 Then God said, "Let US make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

^Amen.

Without Jesus being God in the flesh we would not have a perfect sacrifice for our sins.

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.(which means 'God is with us').


Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Matthew 1:23 "The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel"--which means, "God with us."


And Jesus means "God saves". Without Jesus being "God with us" He could not be the "God who saves".

Jesus said Himself "before Abraham I am" and everything was created by Him and for Him, the word that was with God, the word that was God and the word that became flesh.

We do not understand it all as we are humans, however enough scripture points to the deity of Christ, no mere human could ever atone for our sins as required by God, He stepped in and did it Himself. He gave His life and took it back, was victories over death that Satan brought us. Through Him we also have victory over death. No law or good deed can save you, only faith in Jesus Christ for your salvation.

This will fall on deaf ears, sadly.

Attempting to identify Jesus with Jehovah, some say that e·go ei·mi is the equivalent of the Hebrew expression ani hu, “I am he,” which is used by God. However, it is to be noted that this Hebrew expression is also used by man.
Further attempting to identify Jesus with Jehovah, some try to use Ex 3:14 (LXX) which reads: E·go ei·mi ho on, which means “I am The Being,” or, “I am The Existing One.” This attempt cannot be sustained because the expression in Ex 3:14 is different from the expression in Joh 8:58. Throughout the Christian Greek Scriptures it is not possible to make an identification of Jesus with Jehovah as being the same person.

1 Chronicles 1:17 And David proceeded to say to the [true] God: “Was it not I that said to make a numbering of the people, and is it not I that have sinned and have unquestionably done bad? As for these sheep, what have they done? O Jehovah my God, let your hand, please, come to be upon me and my father’s house; but not upon your people, for a scourge.”

Footnote:“And is it not I.” Lit., “and I am he.” Heb., wa·ani-hu; Gr., e·go ei·mi. The expression ani hu, “I am he,” is used here by a man, David. Elsewhere in Manuscript this expression is used by God.

Exodus 3:13  Nevertheless, Moses said to the [true] God: “Suppose I am now come to the sons of Israel and I do say to them, ‘The God of YOUR forefathers has sent me to YOU,’ and they do say to me, ‘What is his name?’ What shall I say to them?” 14 At this God said to Moses: “I SHALL PROVE TO BE WHAT I SHALL PROVE TO BE.” And he added: “This is what you are to say to the sons of Israel, ‘I SHALL PROVE TO BE has sent me to YOU.’

Ftn:“I SHALL PROVE TO BE WHAT I SHALL PROVE TO BE.” Heb., Eh·yeh Asher Eh·yeh, God’s own self-designation; Leeser, “I WILL BE THAT I WILL BE”; Rotherham, “I Will Become whatsoever I please.” Gr., E·go ei·mi ho on, “I am The Being,” or, “I am The Existing One”; Lat., ego sum qui sum, “I am Who I am.”Eh·yeh comes from the Heb. verb ha·yah&, “become; prove to be.” Here Eh·yeh is in the imperfect state, first person sing., meaning “I shall become”; or, “I shall prove to be.” The reference here is not to God’s self-existence but to what he has in mind to become toward others. Compare Ge 2:4 ftn, “Jehovah,” where the kindred, but different, Heb. verb ha·wah appears in the divine name.

Eh·yeh Asher Eh·yehexcellent that you know his name

Was Jesus the Messiah? Doubtful but at least you understand the IMPORTANCE of the commandments that came from the Almighty.

Jesus being God? PAGANISM

Jesus being born of a virgin where the "father" was "god"? PAGANISM

Jesus dying for sins? PAGANISM

Too many similarities to paganism for me to get completely down with it. Not to mention people believing that he was the Almighty which would mean he was the false prophet of Deuteronomy 13

No man can die for another mans sins. At least thats what the Almighty said at LEAST three times. So you're right no human can atone for another sins because thats what Moses tried to do in Exodus. Lets go there. Imma bold the major parts that eliminate the belief that a man can die for another mans sins.

Exodus 32
30 And it came to pass on the morrow, that Moses said unto the people, Ye have sinned a great sin: and now I will go up unto the Lord; peradventure I shall make an atonement for your sin.
31 And Moses returned unto the Lord, and said, Oh, this people have sinned a great sin, and have made them gods of gold.
32 Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written.
33 And the Lord said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.
34 Therefore now go, lead the people unto the place of which I have spoken unto thee: behold, mine Angel shall go before thee: nevertheless in the day when I visit I will visit their sin upon them.
35 And the Lord plagued the people, because they made the calf, which Aaron made.

As you can see Moses tried to make himself an atonement for sin just as you say Jesus did and what did the Almighty say? Did HE tell Moses no because he (Moses) had sinned himself? Naw. Did HE tell Moses since he was a human that he could not atone for sin? No. What HE did say is that the one who sins against HIM is the one HE will punish (or blot out of the book of the living). Plain and simple its paganism, something HE hates according to the prophets HE spoke to/thru.

Hi! Thank you so much. I was reading this so hurriedly, that I didn't even realize we were on the same side of this issue. And I didn't know if anyone would still be reading,i.e., my posts could have been deleted, etc., so I didn't finish up with that Genesis 2:4 footnote, which I'd now like to do. I will be looking forward to reading your discoveries about modern translations ,etc.

Genesis 2:4 4 This is a history of the heavens and the earth in the time of their being created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven.

Footnotes: [New World Translation]
“Jehovah.” Heb., (YHWH, here vowel-pointed as Yehwah, meaning “He Causes to Become” (from Heb., ha·wah, “to become”]); LXXA(Gr.), Kyri·os; Syr., Mar·ya Lat., Domi·nus. The first occurrence of God’s distinctive personal name, (YHWH); these four Heb. letters are referred to as the Tetragrammaton. The divine name identifies Jehovah as the Purposer. Only the true God could rightly and authentically bear this name. See App 1A.
“Jehovah God.” Heb., Yehwah;Elo·him. This expression, without the definite Heb. article ha before Elo·him, is used 20 times in Ge 1–3. The first occurrence of the expression Yehwah ha·Elo·him is in 1Ch 22:1, where it is rendered “Jehovah the [true] God.”

It is only 'Grace' that can guide the saved person to 'keep the law'. In other words, we are saved by grace by answering the calling and we make a choice to walk in the law. If sin is a violation of the law, then we must still have a law to abide by.

Every thing has laws to keep everything in harmony. Without laws we tend to wander.

grace and obedience is the key to peace.

The strictness of God’s justice made it impossible for mankind itself to provide its own redeemer.

(Ps 49:6-96 Those who are trusting in their means of maintenance,
And who keep boasting about the abundance of their riches,
 7 Not one of them can by any means redeem even a brother,
Nor give to God a ransom for him;
 8 (And the redemption price of their soul is so precious
That it has ceased to time indefinite)
 9 That he should still live forever [and] not see the pit.]

However, this results in the magnifying of God’s own love and mercy in that he met his own requirements at tremendous cost to himself, giving the life of his own Son to provide the redemption price. (Ro 5:6-8) This required his Son’s becoming human to correspond to the perfect Adam. God accomplished this by transferring his Son’s life from heaven to the womb of the Jewish virgin Mary. (Lu 1:26-37; Joh 1:14) Since Jesus did not owe his life to any human father descended from the sinner Adam, and since God’s holy spirit ‘overshadowed’ Mary, evidently from the time she conceived until the time of Jesus’ birth, Jesus was born free from any inheritance of sin or imperfection, being, as it were, “an unblemished and spotless lamb,” whose blood could prove to be an acceptable sacrifice. (Lu 1:35; Joh 1:29; 1Pe 1:18, 19) He maintained that sinless state throughout his life and thus did not disqualify himself. (Heb 4:15; 7:26; 1Pe 2:22) As a ‘sharer of blood and flesh,’ he was a near kinsman of mankind and he had the thing of value, his own perfect life maintained pure through tests of integrity, with which to repurchase mankind, emancipate them.—Heb 2:14, 15.

The emphasis on freedom from defilement of any kind was, in fact, the key difference between the sacrifices offered to Jehovah and those offered to false gods by the people in the nations around Israel. Commenting on this distinctive feature of the sacrifices in the Mosaic Law, one reference work observes: “We may note that there is no connection with divination or augury; no religious frenzy, self-mutilations, or sacred prostitution, sensual and orgiastic fertility rites being utterly forbidden; no human sacrifices; no sacrifices for the dead.” All of this draws attention to one fact: Jehovah is holy, and he does not condone or approve of sin or corruption of any kind.

(Habakkuk 1:13 You are too pure in eyes to see what is bad; and to look on trouble you are not able.)
Worship and sacrifices rendered to him must be clean and undefiled—physically, morally, and spiritually.

—Leviticus 19:2 “Speak to the entire assembly of the sons of Israel, and you must say to them, ‘YOU should prove yourselves holy, because I Jehovah YOUR God am holy.
; 1 Peter 1:14-16.

All I want to know is: how long does it take you to format/color all your posts?

Your dedication to multicolor, bold text is admirable.

You have a real future in the graphic arts industry

Really look at the rest of the chapter or at least a bit further down

20 And I do not pray for these alone, but for those also who shall believe on Me through their word, 21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You, that they also may be one in Us, so that the world may believe that You have sent Me. 22 And I have given them the glory which You have given Me, that they may be one, even as We are one, 23 I in them, and You in Me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that You have sent Me and have loved them as You have loved Me.

That's from the modern King James version. The Peshitta (and that's older than yours) says the same thing in an Syriac sort of way of coarse.

The bottom line is to pick our cross and follow him and he followed the Commandments so we are to do the same.

The next question is who here is without sin?

Not a single one of us. So how many of us are keeping the commandments then?

None.

So why does anyone have the right to be preaching to keep the commandments then?

My brother (or sister) its clear what the word says. NO MAN CAN DIE FOR ANOTHER MANS SINS. That means I cannot go up to the Almighty and ask that I die in place of you for your sins. Well maybe he'll allow me to go to him and ask, but at the same time as its clearly stated throughout the prophets, each man will die for their own sins. He said this to Moses, He said it to Jeremiah, He said it to Ezekiel and maybe more that Im forgetting. So with him saying it three times to three separate prophets, then why would He later plan for a man to die for our sins? Isnt that confusion/paganism? I believe so.

You should also check the word used in Isaiah 7:14 that for whatever reason was translated to virgin. In short thats not the word that should be used their. This isnt the first time that a "god-man" came frm heaven and died for sins. The story has been told time and time again if you research history. Its our soul so we have to make sure that we tend to it and not let lies permeate our beliefs. Otherwise we will be led to slaughter like sheep. Be well my friend.

Didnt Moses sin? So how could he could he preach to keep the commandments? What about David? What about Jonah? How could these men tell others to keep the commandments when they (at least once) broke the commandments themselves? This is poor logic to hold IMO (no offense).

Here is a question for the "the law is done away with" crowd.

Doesn't need an answer, just something to think about.

If there is no law, then why in Revelation is the remnant keeping it?

I could go on with quotes from HaMosiach where He clearly states that to toss out the commandments of the Father is not a good thing. But this one "food for thought" item is good enough on it's own, I think.

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This why the messiah came to be a sacrifice for the world.The law had a fault which was called the curse of the law whereby if a man broke one comandment he was to be killed because he was hten guilty of all.We are not perfect in this flesh s with the new covenant established by the messiahs death we had grace, which is the grace of God that we continue to strive for the perfect gift and working out or salvation daily in obedience.

Thanks for replying. I'm sorry I'm not doing a better job of answering you right now. I'm going on little sleep, and now we have seldom seen relatives coming over and i guess I will have to somehow try to impersonate a natural-born hostess within an hour or so. [At the very least, I will feel like a fraud and probably gonna be exposed as one too!]

Prophecy: The Messiah would be born of a virgin. ( Isaiah 7:14.) The Hebrew word bethu·lah means “virgin,” but another term (al·mah) appears at Isaiah 7:14. There it was prophesied that “the maiden [ha·al·mah]” would give birth to a son. The word al·mah is applied to the maiden Rebekah before her marriage. (Gen. 24:16, 43) Under inspiration, Matthew used the Greek word for “virgin” (par·thenos) when showing that Isaiah 7:14 was fulfilled in connection with the birth of Jesus. The Gospel writers Matthew and Luke state that Mary was a virgin who became pregnant through the operation of God’s spirit.—Matt. 1:18-25; Luke 1:26-35.

(Isaiah 7:14) Therefore Jehovah himself will give YOU men a sign: Look! The maiden herself will actually become pregnant, and she is giving birth to a son, and she will certainly call his name Im·man u·el.

(Genesis 24:16) Now the young woman was very attractive in appearance, a virgin, and no man had had sexual intercourse with her; and she made her way down to the fountain and began to fill her water jar and then came up.

(Genesis 24:43) here I am stationed at a fountain of water. What must occur is that the maiden coming out to draw water to whom I shall actually say: “Please, let me drink a little water from your jar,”

(Matthew 1:18-25) But the birth of Jesus Christ was in this way. During the time his mother Mary was promised in marriage to Joseph, she was found to be pregnant by holy spirit before they were united. 19 However, Joseph her husband, because he was righteous and did not want to make her a public spectacle, intended to divorce her secretly. 20 But after he had thought these things over, look! Jehovah’s angel appeared to him in a dream, saying: “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary your wife home, for that which has been begotten in her is by holy spirit. 21 She will give birth to a son, and you must call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.” 22 All this actually came about for that to be fulfilled which was spoken by Jehovah through his prophet, saying: 23 “Look! The virgin will become pregnant and will give birth to a son, and they will call his name Im·manu·el,” which means, when translated, “With Us Is God.” 24 Then Joseph woke up from his sleep and did as the angel of Jehovah had directed him, and he took his wife home. 25 But he had no intercourse with her until she gave birth to a son; and he called his name Jesus.

(Luke 1:26-35) In her sixth month the angel Gabri·el was sent forth from God to a city of Gali·lee named Naza·reth, 27 to a virgin promised in marriage to a man named Joseph of David’s house; and the name of the virgin was Mary. 28 And when he went in before her he said: “Good day, highly favored one, Jehovah is with you.” 29 But she was deeply disturbed at the saying and began to reason out what sort of greeting this might be. 30 So the angel said to her: “Have no fear, Mary, for you have found favor with God; 31 and, look! you will conceive in your womb and give birth to a son, and you are to call his name Jesus. 32 This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High; and Jehovah God will give him the throne of David his father, 33 and he will rule as king over the house of Jacob forever, and there will be no end of his kingdom.” 34 But Mary said to the angel: “How is this to be, since I am having no intercourse with a man?” 35 In answer the angel said to her: “Holy spirit will come upon you, and power of the Most High will overshadow you. For that reason also what is born will be called holy, God’s Son.

This is a working hypothesis for me:"All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, that every man of God may be fully equipped for every good work." 2 Timothy 3: 16,17

I will post this and then come back later about other stuff you mentioned.

Correct. The false teachers destroy the Gate (Jesus' teachings) which then allow the walls (laws) to be destroyed. You are then corrupted. Read Nehemiah.

But WHY is this allowed?

Go back to Genesis - after man was taken out of Eden, a cherub and a FLAMING TURNING SWORD was placed along THE WAY to the Tree of Life. Peter reveals this to be a "TURNER OF THE WORD". Someone who will twist the Words so you don't understand. It is also the bird that picks the seed on the side of the path - it takes away your understanding!

But WHY? Because you REFUSE to listen to God! You REBEL against what Jesus is telling you to do! Your heart is hard - which means YOU WON'T DO THE COMMANDS OF GOD. If your heart is hard you will not be allowed to turn to be healed.

But WHY? Because NO evil is allowed into God's Kingdom. The turning sword GUARDS THE WAY.

Jesus is "THE WAY".

No sir, it is not the angel twisting any words it is YOU who hold on to your fleshly way that cannot approach unto the tree of life...the angel is the "strait" one. It was Adam's flesh separating him from the tree. This was the bad effect of sin.

There was a cherub AND a "turner of the Word" placed along the way. You are talking about one and I am talking about the other.

See 2 Peter 2:1-3

False teachers have inundated the churches telling people the laws no longer apply. Jesus reveals these "word turners" to be: regular people, disciples, the Godless.

But in the end, it comes down to what Jesus stated: a person will not be allowed to turn to be healed if their heart is hard. Scripture tells us that a hard heart means "won't do the commands of God". Which, ties into your statement - people don't want to give up their earthly ways. They therefore will ignore Jesus and listen to those who tell them exactly what THEY want to hear.

Do you "keep" the law?

The only was to "keep" the law is by the Blood of the Lamb, who covers our sin.