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EARTHANGEL (OP) User ID: 16344 Netherlands 11/22/2005 11:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Male and female is the fullness of the Human One - the perfect and complete Human Being; hence the Androgynous One, self-begetting and self-generating. This is the state of Adam Kadmon, the primordial human being, and it is the state of Adam Ha-Rishon, the first or supernal human being. Likewise, it is the truth of the soul of Light, for at the level of Yechidah, Hayyah and Neshamah we are both male and female, Adam and Eve. Therefore, on the most fundamental level, mystically speaking, the separation of Adam and Eve is the incarnate condition when, like Pistis Sophia, the soul descends to cling to a false light and becomes bound to cosmic ignorance and the cycles of the gilgulim - the transmigration of souls. According to the Gospel the Savior has entered in order to reintegrate the Nefesh and Ruach to the Neshamah, or the earthly soul to the heavenly soul, and thus to deliver souls from the gilgulim. This the Savior accomplishes by revealing the true nature of the Human One - hence the Christos or Light-presence, which is Logos and Sophia. In the legends of the Sophian Tradition when the Soul of the Messiah entered into incarnation, the Soul of the Anointed became male and female in descent; hence Christ the Logos and Christ the Sophia. These twin aspects became embodied in Lord Yeshua and Mary Magdalene. At first they are separate and apart from one another, but in the process of the Christ revelation they are joined, and in them the male and female aspects of all of the souls of the perfect ones are also joined. This union of Logos and Sophia, male and female, in one Body of Light is called the Second Adam . . . One one level Adam represents consciousness experienced internally and Eve represents consciousness experienced externally; hence the soul or mind and the radiant magical-display of the soul or mind. So long as the illusion of a separation between internally appearing phenomenon and externally appearing phenomenon remains, the soul continues in bondage to the potentially endless cycles of transmigration under karmic compulsion. On another level Adam Represents the Desire to Share and Eve represents the Desire to Receive. When these are divided the Desire to Receive for the Self Alone comes into being, which is the root of all evil and death. United, these become the Desire to Receive for the sake of the Desire to Share, which is the state of a natural flow of Supernal or Divine Grace and the awareness of Sacred Unity indicitive of supernal or Messianic consciousness. [link to www.webspawner.com] xyxyxyxy User ID: 2212 11/18/2005 10:46 am EST Re: The Sacred Unseen |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 42850 United States 11/22/2005 11:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "The Perfect Savior said to them: "I want you to know that Sophia, the Mother of the Universe and the consort, desired by herself to bring these to existence without her male (consort)." The Perfect Savior, Jesus Christ, would never have spoken such stuff about "Sophia". The ancient Greeks worshipped a "goddess" whom was called Sophia, a demon. Webster´s dictionary has the definition for the words sophistry and sophisticated, derived from "Sophia". The word philosophy also derives from Sophia. In a general sense, the words mean adulterated thinking, subtle or fallacious reasoning, which was used in the Garden of Eden to deceive Eve into disobeying God. When it doesn´t sound like something Jesus would say, running contrary to the Scriptures, He didn´t say it, although the sophomores (morons) of our times would have you believe it. . |
EARTHANGEL (OP) User ID: 16344 Netherlands 11/22/2005 11:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The philosophers of the early Church saw Christ as the embodiment of the Sophia as well as the Incarnation of the Logos. For these early Christian thinkers...it was clear that to say "Christ was the Word was to assign to Christ a profoundly mystical and far-reaching reality. It meant that the utterly transcendent God...created the world through that self-expression termed the Logos, and that this Logos, or Creative Word of God, is immanent within all of the creation." [Ibid, p. 23] These early Christian philsophers also believed in Christ´s pre-existence. Christ as the Logos or Wisdom of God had to exist from the beginning before incarnation could take place. Sanford sums it up beautifully: "The world-creating Logos could be seen in the movements of the heavenly bodies, in the majesty of the skies, in the great ocean with its abundance of life, but also could be seen in the tiniest unit of life...But the most important place where the Word of God was to be found for the early Christians was within the soul herself, where it lived as an *imago dei,* like a spring of water from which flowed the knowledge of God." [link to www.bizcharts.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 42850 United States 11/22/2005 11:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "The philosophers of the early Church saw Christ as the embodiment of the Sophia as well as the Incarnation of the Logos." NAME THEM!!!!!! They were not the apostles, who wrote the four Gospels, and who discipled with Jesus for three years, knowing Him better than any "philospher" who came after them. . |
EARTHANGEL (OP) User ID: 16344 Netherlands 11/22/2005 11:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus, Wisdom and our world Elizabeth A. Johnson What happens when the rather neglected wisdom traditions of the Bible are applied to our understanding of Jesus? Elizabeth A. Johnson, who is Distinguished Professor of Theology at Fordham University, New York City, shows how ´the symbol of Jesus as Wisdom of God lends powerful support to the ongoing struggle to transform the Church into a community of genuine mutuality where women and men are equal in human Christian dignity´. The early Christian communities were enormously creative in interpreting the meaning and message of Jesus. They experienced that the offer of salvation came to them from God in Jesus through the power of the Spirit. To describe what a blessing he was in their lives, they gave him names and told his story over and over again in a multitude of frameworks. Their exuberant efforts led them to ransack their Jewish religious tradition and, in time, the Hellenistic religious heritage for titles, images and other elements that could be used to interpret his meaning. In the process, they named him the Messiah/Christ; they named him Son of Man, Lord, Lamb of God, Word of God, Son of God. The biblical wisdom tradition was also pressed into service to interpret Jesus of Nazareth. Early Christians connected Jesus with this in general and with its central figure, Hokmah, Sophia, Holy Wisdom herself, a female figure of power and compassion. What did this mean for Christ and his followers? The biblical picture of Sophia is a composite one, formed of differing presentations in Job and Proverbs (books common to all users of the Bible), and in deuterocanonical books such as Sirach, Baruch and the Wisdom of Solomon. Intertestamental literature such as Enoch also contributes to her depiction. Portrayed as sister, mother, bride, hostess, female beloved, woman prophet, teacher and friend, but above all as divine creating and redeeming Spirit, Sophia´s portrait has its roots in the Great Goddess of the ancient Near Eastern world. Overall, there is no other personification of such depth and magnitude in the entire scriptures of Israel. Scholarly debate on how to interpret this figure, this icon, abounds, not least because various biblical books depict her in differing ways so that no one interpretation can be applied to every verse where Wisdom appears. Thus the arguments: Wisdom is the personification of cosmic order; no, she learned in Israel´s wisdom schools; no, she is a quasi-independent agent who mediates between heaven and earth; no, she is a personification of God´s very own self — in this sense: the one God is utterly transcendent; yet this same God also approaches the world and dwells within it with intense care for its well-being. [link to www.thepastoralreview.org] |
EARTHANGEL (OP) User ID: 16344 Netherlands 11/22/2005 11:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | BOOK OF ENOCH Chapter 12 "The third tree is the Tree of Sophia. Those who eat the fruit of this tree will perceive how to apply their knowledge to overcome the darkness and strengthen the Light. [link to www.thepearl.org] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 42902 United States 11/22/2005 02:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Baby´s black balloon makes her fly I almost fell into that hole in your life And you´re not thinking ´bout tomorrow Cuz you were the same as me But on your knees A thousand other boys could never reach you How could I have been the one? I saw the world spin beneath you And scatter like ice from the spoon that was your womb Comin´ down the world turned over And angels fall without you there And I go on as you get colder Or are you someone´s prayer? You know the lies they always told you And the love you never knew What´s the things they never showed you That swallow the light from the sun inside your room, yeah Comin´ down the world turned over And angels fall without you there And I go on as you get colder Always someone there And there´s no time left for losin´ When you stand they fall, yeah Comin´ down the world turned over And angels fall without you there And I go on as you get colder All because I´m Comin´ down the years turn over And angels fall without you there And I´ll go on and I´ll bring you home and All because I´m All because I´m And I´ll become What you became to me |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 380 United States 11/22/2005 03:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think most of this alienation of "Christians" from this "Sophia" thing is rooted in the confusion that ensues when trying to conceive of an Hebrew religion, using the language of the dogs, Greek. Jews invite the Queen of Shabbat into their homes every Friday night.I believe her to by synonymous with Wisdom, though I don´t know how widely held that association may be. But Jews aren´t Greeks, and from this wholly inappropriate "Jesus" thing, to the "Sophia" thing, true religion does not benefit from Hellenization. |
Tree Hugger User ID: 42925 United States 11/22/2005 04:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank you for this posting EARTHANGEL I was reading the RA material yesterday and RA butterflyd that if we wished to consider all the grains of sand on all the beaches of earth, this gives us some idea of how many created gods came from the Divine Mind and yet all are still One...........love and peace to you |
EARTHANGEL (OP) User ID: 16344 Netherlands 11/23/2005 08:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "The Feminine Aspect of God is Holy Spirit. She is the Word of Truth and Wisdom Divine Counselor from whom we seek guidance Substance of God that provides our wealth Co-creator with God in whose image and likeness we are made Breath of life that causes the soul to live and calls forth the expression of Divine ideas Experience of God´s unconditional Love Our instructor who speaks in a Still Small Voice Essence and Presence of God who dwells within our own body temple." "THE FEMININE ASPECT OF GOD" by Carolyn Odom Burleson, Ph.D. [link to home.earthlink.net] |
EARTHANGEL (OP) User ID: 16344 Netherlands 11/29/2005 08:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | PISTIS SOPHIA BOOK I: The [[This book is basically an allegory of the soul´s descent & eventual ascent back to the SPIRITUAL HIERARCHY, once it realizes its position, makes A proper series of repentences while singing & praying with the faith & hope that it will be forgiven and accepted back: IN MANY WAYS ~ THE LOWER SOPHIA is reflective all all men & women endowed with the "spirit of God" within....seeking with all their hearts~minds~ & souls to get back to the FATHER OF THE ALL ~ THE ETERNAL UNBEGOTTEN....]] In the introduction, Hurtak motivates the reader with the following comment: "...with the total understanding of ´gnosis´ one would become a functional divine being, a being who can operate in multiple realms." (xxi) SOPHIA = the spark of divinity that is ´TRAPPED´ in each soul (xxiii-xxxiv)...and that salvation depends on a series of petitions & songs. It is the gnostic concept of the AWAKENING PROCESS between the male & female energy SO THAT IT IS NO LONGER BOUND BY THE DUALISTIC UNCONSCIOUS NATURE! [[Hurtak sees Mary Magdalene as the human reflection of the lower Sophia who even reached a higher spiritual understanding than John the Divine. If one reads two tractates in the NAG HAMMADI LIBRARY:"The Gospel of Philip" as well as "The Gospel of Mary", this theme would be punctuated for the reader of this treatise.]] In I:1-2, the text itself stated that Jesus stayed eleven years teaching the ´inner group´ since one must know the LIVING GOD COMPLETELY TO ASCEND. [[This is also a major theme of THE NAG...:i.e. being perfect in order to ascend.]]So sacred was the PISTIS SOPHIA in presenting this information, that it was ranked higher than (a)THE TEACHINGS OF CLEMENT OF ROME (b) THE SHEPHERD OF HERMES (c) ORIGIN (outstnding father of the early Christian church) (d)CLEMENT OF ALEXANDRIA....(VERSE 2) The divine glory of Christ = "AIN SOPH" whose function was to prepare the LIGHT BODIES for ALL who follow in his footsteps. Our goal is to pierce the five veils (at the 3rd~the 6th~and the 9th hour-symbolically represented by the agony on the cross) so that we will be armed with the necessities of being transfigured into LIGHT BODIES ~~as witnessed by first ~ MOSES ~ and later by PETER-JAMES & JOHN at the TRANSFIGURATION. THIS IS OUR DESTINY ~for those who follow in his (Christ´s) footsteps!!! A major theme of Hurtak is that the ´lower´ SOPHIA (in contradistinction to THE SPIRT or SHEKINAH) is to represent the female soul (men/women who have not yet closed the seven chakras ~ making it presently impossible for any of them TO ASCEND. [[This theme then becomes of the utmost importance to understand ~ and more importantly ~ TO ACT ON-HERE & NOW!!!]] Thus, we are faced with the major problem of BREAKING THE BONDS OF FATE which is represented by the 12 houses of the ZODIAK. Jesus has the power of SOPHIA (as per the story-line) WAS LED INTO THE false light THAT DEPRIVED HER OF HER wisdom ~~~ but not her FAITH! (The lower robbers or powers did not think it was important. [[THEIR FATAL MISTAKE, perhaps.]] Jesus ~ as the LOGOS LIGHT ~ must rescue sophia (and us) from the lower ARCHONS (FALLEN ANGELS) whom he had already taken away 1/3rd of their power. [link to hey_223.tripod.com] |
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EARTHANGEL User ID: 27018 United Kingdom 11/29/2005 11:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | CHAPTER 3 Birth of Jesus. Masters honour the child. The shepherds rejoice. Zacharias and Elizabeth visit Mary. Jesus is circumcised. THE time was nearly due for Jesus to be born, and Mary longed to see Elizabeth, and she and Joseph turned their faces toward the Judean hills. 2 And when upon their way they came to Bethlehem the day was done, and they must tarry for the night. 3 But Bethlehem was thronged with people going to Jerusalem; the inns and homes were filled with guests, and Joseph and his wife could find no place to rest but in a cave where animals were kept; and there they slept. 4 At midnight came a cry, a child is born in yonder cave among the beasts. And lo, the promised son of man was born. 5 And strangers took the little one and wrapped him in the dainty robes that Mary had prepared and laid him in a trough from which the beasts of burden fed. 6 Three persons clad in snowwhite robes came in and stood before the child and said, 7 All strength, all wisdom and all love be your, Immanuel. 8 Now, on the hills of Bethehem were many flocks of sheep with shepherds guarding them. 9 The shepherds were devout, were men of prayer, and they were waiting for a strong deliverer to come. 10 And when the child of promise came, a man in snow-white robe appeared to them, and they fell back in fear. The man stood forth and said, 11 Fear not! behold I bring you joyful news. At midnight in a cave in Bethehem was born the prophet and the king that you have long been waiting for. 12 And then the shepherds all were glad; they felt that all the hills were filled with messengers of light, who said, 13 All glory be to God on high; peace, peace on earth, good will to men. 14 And then the shepherds came with haste to Bethlehem and to the cave, that they might see and honour him whom men had called Immanuel. 15 Now, when the morning came, a shepherdess whose home was near, prepared a room for Mary, Joseph and the child; and here they tarried many days. 16 And Joseph sent a messenger in haste to Zacharias and Elizabeth to say, The child is born in Bethlehem. 17 And Zacharias and Elizabeth took John and came to Bethlehem with words of cheer. 18 And Mary and Elizabeth recounted all the wonderous things that had transpired. The people joined with them in praising God. 19 According to the custom of the Jews, the child was circumcised; and when they asked, What will you call the child? the mother said, His name is Jesus, as the man of God declared. CHAPTER 4 Consecration of Jesus. Mary offers sacrifices. Simeon and Anna prophesy. Anna is rebuked for worshipping the child. The family returns to Bethlehem. NOW, Mary took her son, when he was forty days of age, up to the temple in Jerusalem, and he was consecrated by the priest. 2 And then she offered purifying sacrifices for herself, according to the custom of the Jews; a lamb and two young turtle doves. 3 A pious Jew named Simeon was in the temple serving God. 4 From early youth he had been looking for Immanuel to come, and he had prayed to God that he might not depart until his eyes had seen Messiah in the flesh. 5 And when he saw the infant Jesus he rejoiced and said, I now am ready to depart in peace, for I have seen the king. 6 And then he took the enfant in his arms and said, Behold, this child will bring a sword upon my people, Israel, and all the world; but he will break the sword and then the nations will learn war no more. 7 The master´s cross I see upon the forehead of this child, and he will conquer by this sign. 8 And in the temple was a widow, four and eighty years of age, and she departed not, but night and day she worshipped God. 9 And when she saw the infant Jesus she exclaimed, Behold Immanuel! Behold the signet cross of the Messiah on his brow! 10 And then the woman knelt to worship him, as God with us, Immanuel; but one, a master, clothed in white, appeared and said, 11 Good woman, stay; take heed to what you do; you may not worship man; this is idolatry. 12 This child is man, the son of man, and worthy of all praise. You shall adore and worship God; him only shall you serve. 13 The woman rose and bowed her head in thankfulness and worshipped God. 14 And Mary took the infant Jesus and returned to Bethlehem. CHAPTER 5 Three magian priests honour Jesus. Herod is alarmed. Calls a council of the Jews. Is told that prophets had foretold the coming of a king. Herod resolves to kill the child. Mary and Joseph take Jesus and flee into Egypt. BEYOND the river Euphrates the magians lived; and they were wise, could read the language of the stars, and they divined that one, a master soul, was born; they saw his star above Jerusalem. 2 And there were three among the magian priests who longed to see the master of the coming age; and they took costly gifts and hastened to the West in search of him, the new-born king, that they might honour him. 3 And one took gold, the symbol of nobility; another myrrh, the symbol of dominion and of power; gum-thus the other took, the symbol of the wisdom of the sage. 4 Now when the magians reached Jerusalem the people were amazed, and wondered who they were and why they came. 5 And when they asked, Where is the child that has been born a king? the very throne of Herod seemed to shake. 6 And Herod sent a courtier forth to bring the magians to his court. 7 And when they came they asked again, Where is the new born king? And then they said, While yet beyond the Euphates we saw his star arise, and we have come to honour him. 8 And Herod blanched with fear. He thought, perhaps, the priests were plotting to restore the kingdom of the Jews, and so he said within himself, I will know more about this child that has been born a king. 9 And so he told the magian priests to tarry in the city for a while and he would tell them all about the king. 10 He called in council all the Jewish masters of the law and asked, What have the Jewish prophets said concerning such a one? 11 The Jewish masters answered him and said, The prophets long ago foretold that one would come to rule the tribes of Israel; that this Messiah would be born in Bethlehem. 12 They said, The prophet Micah wrote, O Bethlehem Judea, a little place among the Judean hills, yet out of you will one come forth to rule my people, Israel; yea, one who lived in olden times, in very ancient days. 13 Then Herod called the magian priests again and told them what the masters of the Jewish law had said; and then he sent them on the way to Bethlehem. 14 He said, Go search, and if you find the child that has been born a king, return and tell me all, that I may go and honour him. 15 The magians went their way and found the child with Mary in the shepherd´s home. 16 They honoured him; bestowed upon him precious gifts and gave him gold, gum- thus and myrrh. 17 These magian priests could read the hearts of men; they read the wickedness of Herod´s heart, and knew that he had sworn to kill the new born king. 18 And so they told the secret to the parents of the child, and bid them flee beyond the reach of harm. 19 And then the priests went on their homeward way; they went not through Jerusalem. 20 And Joseph took the infant Jesus and his mother in the night and fled to Egypt land, and with Elihu and Salome in ancient Zoan they abode. 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Anonymous Coward User ID: 192 United States 11/29/2005 11:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Teacher, Moses said, ´If a man dies without children, his brother shall marry his wife and raise up descendants for his brother.´ 25 Now there were seven brothers among us. The first married and died and, having no descendants, left his wife to his brother. 26 The same happened with the second and the third, through all seven. 27 Finally the woman died. |
. User ID: 44774 China 11/29/2005 11:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Isa 44:6 Thus saith the YHVH the King of Israel, and his redeemer the YHVH of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. Isa 44:7 And who, as I, shall call, and shall declare it, and set it in order for me, since I appointed the ancient people? and the things that are coming, and shall come, let them show unto them. Isa 44:8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any. Isa 44:9 They that make a graven image are all of them vanity; and their delectable things shall not profit; and they are their own witnesses; they see not, nor know; that they may be ashamed. Isa 44:10 Who hath formed a god, or molten a graven image that is profitable for nothing? Isa 44:11 Behold, all his fellows shall be ashamed: and the workmen, they are of men: let them all be gathered together, let them stand up; yet they shall fear, and they shall be ashamed together. |
. User ID: 44774 China 11/29/2005 11:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am here as witness against deceit and deception, know this OP, if you continue you will know. From the prior post: Isa 44:24 Thus saith the YHVH, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the YHVH that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself; Isa 44:25 That frustrateth the tokens of the liars, and maketh diviners mad; that turneth wise men backward, and maketh their knowledge foolish; Isa 44:26 That confirmeth the word of his servant, and performeth the counsel of his messengers; that saith to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be inhabited; and to the cities of Judah, Ye shall be built, and I will raise up the decayed places thereof: Isa 44:27 That saith to the deep, Be dry, and I will dry up thy rivers: |
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fnfal User ID: 44916 United States 11/29/2005 12:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | According to your post, the Nag Hammadi speaks to a chosen audience of men who are from a race called a people without a King. "And afterward was revealed a whole multitude of confronting, self-begotten ones, equal in age and power, being in glory (and) without number, whose race is called ´The Generation over Whom There Is No Kingdom´ from the one in whom you yourselves have appeared from these men. And that whole multitude over which there is no kingdom is called ´Sons of Unbegotten Father,..." Contrary, the KJV shows God addressing a race of people (Rechabites) and blessing them to not have a King over them. Not for being good, but for being loyal to their father Jonadab (Satan). "KJV-R (Webster) Jeremiah 35:19 Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Jonadab the son of Rechab shall not want a man to stand before me for ever." |
EARTHANGEL User ID: 41777 Germany 11/30/2005 06:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Gnostic Jesus taught non-duality and the path of love as the means of attaining this. Jesus Christ was a Gnostic. Gnosticism is the path of directly experiencing the Divine as the path to salvation. Mysticism, Gnosticism and the Jewish Kabbalah are all very similar. Their path to God is to look for God within ourselves. If we take the view that God is within everything, that nature and the universe is the very embodiment of God, then our own inner Self is the most accessible point for experiencing an all-pervading Supreme Reality. This Gnostic view is powerfully presented by Jesus in Luke 17:20-21: And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! , lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. Luke 17:20-21, KJV The word “within” as it appears in the King James Bible has been translated in some modern bibles as “among.” These interpreters believe Jesus intended to say he himself was among them. However, this does not tally with preceding statements in the passage. Jesus says the kingdom of God cannot be observed. Therefore, Jesus could not have been talking about himself. He was observable. Jesus says the kingdom of God is not a place. It is neither “here” nor “there”. Thus Jesus could not have been referring to himself. We must take all physical descriptions of the kingdom, such as streets paved with gold and pearly gates, as metaphors because these things can be “observed.” God is love and love comes from our own heart further underscoring the truth that we must look within ourselves to find God. If, according to Gnosticism, the kingdom of God is to be found within our own being then who or what is God according to the New Testament? God is love (1 John 4:8 and 4:16). Love is not observable and so love complies with Jesus’ advice that the kingdom of God does not come by observation. Love comes from the great sun of infinite life and bubbles up through the wellspring of our own inner heart. We will never directly experience love anywhere but in our own heart. In the following scripture we read Jesus speaking of the Spirit of truth as being within us. Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. John 14:17, KJV It is understandable that we would not be able to easily accept the Gnostic idea that God is within us if we have no awareness that we are all connected. However, Bell’s Theorem [link to www.ncsu.edu] in quantum physics clearly demonstrates that we are all connected. This connection is at the very core of each of us. It is within us. This sustains another concept in Gnosticism and also in other mystical traditions. Prior to Roman Emperor Constantine’s conversion to Christianity in 323 c.e., the antagonism that existed between the hierarchy of priests an bishops and the followers of Gnosticism is well documented. When Gnostics met for church, they drew lots to see who would assume the various roles. Elaine Pagels writes in her book The Gnostic Gospels: How did members of this circle of "pneumatics" [the Gnostics] (literally, "those who are spiritual") conduct their meetings? Irenaeus [Bishop of Lyons] tells us that when they met, all the members first participated in drawing lots. Whoever received a certain lot apparently was designated to take the role of priest; another was to offer the sacrament, as bishop; another would read the Scriptures for worship, and others would address the group as a prophet, offering extemporaneous spiritual instruction. The next time the group met, they would throw lots again so that the persons taking each role changed continually. This practice effectively created a very different structure of authority. At a time when the orthodox Christians increasingly discriminated between clergy and laity, this group of Gnostic Christians demonstrated that, among themselves, they refused to acknowledge such distinction. Instead of ranking their members into superior and inferior “orders” within a hierarchy, they followed the principle of strict equality. All initiates, men and women alike, participated equally in the drawing; anyone might be selected to serve as priest, bishop, or prophet. Furthermore, because they cast lots at each meeting, even the distinctions established by lot could never become permanent “ranks.” Finally – most important – they intended, through this practice, to remove the element of human choice. A twentieth-century observer might assume that the Gnostics left these matters to random chance, but the Gnostics saw it differently. They believed that since God directs everything in the universe, the way the lots fell expressed his choice. Such practices prompted Tertullian to attack "the behavior of the heretics": How frivolous, how worldly, how merely human it is, without seriousness, without authority, without discipline, as fits their faith! To begin with, it is uncertain who is a catechumen, and who a believer: they all have access equally, they listen equally, they pray equally, even pagans, if any happen to come. . . . They also share the kiss of peace with all who come, for they do not care how differently they treat topics, if they meet together to storm the citadel of the one only truth. . . . All of them are arrogant . . . all offer you gnosis! The Gnostic Gospels, Elaine Pagels Unfortunately, Constantine sided with the hierarchy of priests and bishops. Now they had the Roman Empire at their disposal and dispatched it to eradicate Gnosticism. When the book burning was ordered, some Gnostic Christians hid existing scriptures in burial urns hoping that God would one day return them to the world. Many of these lost scriptures resurfaced on October 4, 1946, when a sheepherder discovered them. The scrolls were found buried in a three-foot tall clay urn in a cave near Nag Hammadi, Egypt. Since then these scriptures have been called the Nag Hammadi Library and they are now available to anyone who cares to go exploring. These concepts and much more are discussed at greater length in the book The Mystic Christ. The book may be explored and also purchased on-line: www.devipress.com. Jesus, Buddha, and Krishna Are One Jesus never said he was the only way. A short but dynamic exploration of supporting scripture. There is only one Christ or Logos appearing as all incarnations of God. www.gnostic-jesus.com |
. User ID: 45215 China 11/30/2005 07:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "Jesus, Buddha, and Krishna Are One Jesus never said he was the only way. A short but dynamic exploration of supporting scripture. There is only one Christ or Logos appearing as all incarnations of God." simple refutation Joh 14:6 Yahshua saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Joh 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. Joh 10:2 But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. Joh 10:3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. Joh 10:4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. Joh 10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers. Joh 10:6 This parable spake Yahshua unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them. Joh 10:7 Then said Yahshua unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. Joh 10:8 All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. Joh 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. Joh 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. Joh 10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. Joh 10:12 But he that is a hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep. Joh 10:13 The hireling fleeth, because he is a hireling, and careth not for the sheep. Joh 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. Joh 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. Joh 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. Joh 10:17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. Joh 10:18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. Joh 10:19 There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings. Joh 10:20 And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him? Joh 10:21 Others said, These are not the words of him that hath a devil. Can a devil open the eyes of the blind? Joh 10:22 And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter. Joh 10:23 And Jesus walked in the temple in Solomon´s porch. Joh 10:24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly. Joh 10:25 Yahshua answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father´s name, they bear witness of me. Joh 10:26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. Joh 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father´s hand. Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one. Now as to this sophist and sophisticated lie called gnosis, is it not the same lie that freemasonry thrives on, and other darker groups, there is no duality in YHVH/God, there is no dark side of the "force" and a "good/light" side of the same force, the force is helel(the angel of light dressed up pretty to decieve) and YHVH is One and there is no God beside Him. |
. User ID: 45215 China 11/30/2005 07:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | oh and by the way "earth" angel, your wisdom is from beneath: Jam 3:14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. Jam 3:15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. Jam 3:16 For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. Jam 3:17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be entreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. Jam 3:18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace. |
fnfal User ID: 45270 United States 11/30/2005 09:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, The mystery religions are the religion of the children of the night. Deliberately/ingnorantly, you promote the religion of your companions/captors. But as the Lord of Hosts, the God of Israel has allowed, we are going into captivity soon, and you will be mentally unprepared to face the King of (Mystery) Babylon. Prepare for the deception by reading and understanding the accepted scripture. You have bought the same lie originally told in the garden of Eden. How many more will you cause to stumble before this Earth age draws to a close? Will you want the mountains to fall on you someday too? God´s children are always trying to work their own salvation. Even contrary to the direct evidence before them. The Old Testament is rife with these examples (Jer 2:13). You are like a defiant teenager, who thinks there is a "new way" to live your life. I cannot wish you Godspeed, as it would bring curses to me. Therefore, I will pray for you. |
EARTHANGEL User ID: 27018 United Kingdom 11/30/2005 09:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One such document of the teachings of Jesus, given to his disciples, both male and female, is the Pistis Sophia, mentioned in Key 110:36— “The Pistis Sophia, conceived in Hebrew thought-patterns rendered into Greek and Coptic is one of the great Gospels, for it is a true witness of the mysteries of the language Jesus used to call down his higher Body of Light in the presence of his initiated disciples. It shows how Jesus is the synthesis of the thirty-two chemical building blocks of intelligence within the Mystery of the Logos seen as the Lak Boymer, the Pillar of Light which calls down the Christ Body through the thirty-third degree to inhabit the Jesus Body.” This scripture also teaches how the higher wisdom fell into the lower worlds and through repentance and the forgiveness of the Christ could be redeemed and made fit to go back to the higher worlds. “Pistis Sophia” means the Faith of Wisdom, signifying that faith has to have that higher wisdom; it is not sufficient unto itself. Pistis Sophia is portrayed as a feminine entity, and in the teachings the disciples were involved in a dialogue with Jesus the Christ in His Light Body. He very clearly relegates to nothingness all the religious chauvinism of the importance of the male over the female, and the female disciples show that they have the lead in understanding what He is teaching. From the Pistis Sophia commentary by Dr. J.J. Hurtak: “In order to put the inner and outer together, we must seek as Christ to break the old cycle and acquire the higher Wisdom (Chokmah, Sophia) to discover the I AM THAT I AM of the Father’s Name, the Divine Presence that will receive us as a son or daughter of God regardless of our being born Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Christian, Hindu, etc. Wisdom in its highest Divine state is the radiant power of God used for the preparation and promotion of creation, so that we may understand and be received into the Family and the nature of the Godhead. The teaching of the Pistis Sophia was given to open the gates that have been closed and to fuse the Brotherhoods and Sisterhoods of Humanity with the Brotherhoods/Sisterhoods of Light. For this to occur the Christed Overself, the higher body, must dome with the human self so that the higher I AM presence of the Father can conjoin with our I AM consciousness presence, reuniting us into the I AM THAT I AM. Is this not what the Order of Melchizedek and the teachings of the ancient master of Kabbalah are all about? No matter what the state of the soul and how insignificant it might think its Light powers, if it uses the True Name(s) of God, asking that the Light presence come forth, nothing is too overbearing or impossible for its evolution, growth and resurrection. This is the message of the Faith (Pistis) of Pistis Sophia, who knows that her repentances will be heard by the great Light that comes with the Name of the True God ( Ha Shem) in remaking and redesigning even within the words of darkness. Now we are shown that a whole new Light cycle will manifest from the Height, namely from the High Command of the Infinite Mind of God, from the Higher Councils of Light. …We are destined to become Eternal. Our physical body will become part of the Eternal Light transforming all the children of Light through the Light Power from above.” [link to www.keysofenoch.org] |
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. User ID: 45215 China 11/30/2005 09:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | agreed fnfal, amen Yahshua, we have presented You and Your Way, and yet the deceived deceivers still push forward in their deception, ignoring Your Love and compasionate warning, so i post this and say amen : 2Ti 3:9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was. and this as amen because you insist on claiming Yahshua/Jesus and portions of His word that suits you. 2Pe 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2Pe 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 2Pe 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not. 2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 2Pe 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; 2Pe 2:6 And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an example unto those that after should live ungodly; 2Pe 2:7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked: 2Pe 2:8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds); 2Pe 2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished: 2Pe 2:10 But chiefly them that walk after the flesh in the lust of uncleanness, and despise government. Presumptuous are they, self-willed, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignities. 2Pe 2:11 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord. 2Pe 2:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption; 2Pe 2:13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you; 2Pe 2:14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: a heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children: 2Pe 2:15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness; 2Pe 2:16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man´s voice forbade the madness of the prophet. 2Pe 2:17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest: to whom the mist of darkness is reserved forever. 2Pe 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. 2Pe 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. 2Pe 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 2Pe 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. |