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Thats RIGHT.

Cant come to the father UNLESS we first beleive in Jesus..and we CANT beleive in Jesus UNLESS the FATHER reveals him to us...and the father WONT reveal Jesus TO us unless we beleive in Jesus...

And NO one can come to the father UNLESS they are drawn..and if they are not DRAWN..then God will BURN THEM IN HELL FOREVER IN UNRELENTING HEARTLESS MERCILEESS TORTURE for DARING to NOT beleive...even though their NOT BELEIVING was a direct result of God NOT ALLOWING them to beleive..

Yeah..its a fair system.
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God doesn't send you to hell, you do. And if you want fair, every time you drink you get a DUI, every time you exceed the speed limit by one mile and hour, you get a ticket, every time there is lightning your house gets struck and burns down as well, with every tornado all are killed...no survivors. Do you really want "fairness". Life is unfair to see if you have a pair of balls.
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nice thread nip! Thanks!bump
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Pay careful attention, folks. This is a perfect example of satan dividing his own house.


May I PUKE. I guess he's coming to Denver soon and is on the local ABC news channel here for the pre advertising. That he is billed as "America's Pastor" says everything.............. considering America is no longer the Light of the World it was hoped to become.

[link to www.joelosteen.com]

Now I want you to read above. I am going to put a couple quotes from it here, I would post it all, its not long, but we have to consider keeping GLP out of trouble.

There are many different ways that people see God. Some people see Him as a God who is far off, way out there, untouchable, somewhere in the universe. Some people see Him in a very formal way where they have a deep respect and reverential fear of Him. Some people see God as a God who is just out to get them. They think He has a baseball bat, looking down from heaven and waiting for them to make a mistake. They feel a pressure that they can never live up to. If that's you today, understand that that's a wrong image of God. The best picture we could have of God is the picture we see in scripture—the picture of God as a loving father.

Ok, not so bad. Some reasonable Truth. So what is missing in this image? The FACT that God is not a sky person up there someplace. The FACT that YOU who are ensouled with Father Fragments, are Son's of God, in various levels of development. The Father FRAGMENT that you possess IS the FATHER Beloveds. He is YOUR GOD. He sends a MIND PIECE OF HIMSELF to LIVE IN YOUR MIND.

YOU have to be in meditation or in some quiet state of mind before you can here him. And when you DO, you tend to say, Jesus told me so. Will NO. God the Father and Jesus are not the same individuals, except that He WHO HAS SEEN the CREATOR SON, has Seen the Father. And most back then had no idea of that anyway. Not even the apostles.

But lets not pay attention to the Creator Son right now. Lets go with the FATHER WITHIN YOU. HE IS YOUR BEST FRIEND. YOUR MENTOR. He does not however run around as a sky person making all your dreams come true. Joe made me nearly throw up this morning with all that bullshit.

He described how GOD wouldn't let him and his wife buy a fancy house and they had to thus get and old junk heap which they fixed up and sold for twice as much as they paid. Really? That is the FATHER WITHIN that prevented the big house. Probably it was their budget. Joel does not LOOK Father Indwelt to me, and his wife is even worse, she so had the "reptilian" look about her.

If JOEL and wifey are people of GOD, they would be teaching MEDITATION and the concept of the FATHER WITHIN. And sometimes when it does seem this bearded person called God, has other plans for you, perhaps that is the work of your guardian angels and guides for you older souls here.

While Joel uses a bit of TRUTH, he is so shallow that it is a LIE. Don't think of God as a FATHER, KNOW HIM AS THE FATHER WITHIN YOUR SOUL, accessed by meditation. So they tell a bit of truth to HOOK ONES, and then proceed to work for the antichrist.
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only those who enter God's covenant via belief in Jesus Christ -- that He died for our sins and rose from the dead to provide us the free gift of eternal life -- have the Holy Spirit within

it is not a default position for all. we have to ask Him to come in by believing in Jesus.

love rb
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NO this was NEVER EVER Taught by GOD or JESUS. For it is a LIE. And a lot of stuff even in the OT, is the miserably misunderstanding of that group of people in those days, so miserable that is one reason for choosing that area for the Incarnation. The orientals and those in Western Hemisphere at the time were fr advanced of that, and even in India they were too.

NOBODY can DIE for your sins. And only people who are working on purpose against God knowingly, sin. all the other stuff is errors in judgement while the soul is learning.

The Holy Spirit within, is the FATHER FRAGMENT which is FIRST PERSON TRINITY making YOU a SON of the FATHER. A Faith Son at first, and a real son later on in the evolutionary journey. Once you know enough truth and have had enough life experience to make a real choice to pursue eternity, your MIND/Soul will MERGE with your FAther Fragment, which if done WHILE embodied, will consume the body. This very thing doesn't happen much on this world and if witnessed, most would assume you were just murdered by God, from the bright flash produced.

Eternity is a long long time. There are beings already trillions of years old. It is not this simple. Your FATHEr FRAGMENT is NOT EVEN INVITED BY YOU. If this is your first life, it shows up automatically when you make your first real MORAL decision, and on this planet, the average age for that is 5.

You ones are not told truth. I find it worse than sad because this delusion actually slows your soul growth,, which IS the satanic idea.

Jesus was never the name of the Christed Ones that came anyway 2000 years ago. Now I ask, in honesty, what about all those born into other religions and cultures? They go to hell right? NO. They have the same opportunity to learn about the GOD within as do you. Has NOTHING to do with"believing" ON the name Jesus . It does involve consciously learning to walk in the shoes of GOD so that you manifest him on this world. the Joel Osteen types do not teach that, at all. They keep you from discovering yourself.

He did NOT rise from the DEAD. He never DIED, meaning his body. How does a BODY rise from the dead, you hve confused this great soul with the body. NONE of you are your BODY. You are your SPIRIT. and the way your describe your holy spirit within, while laudable in a sense, you have just ignored your own soul/spirit that is still separate from your Father Fragment.

Do you MEDITATE? IF SO, congratulations. If you have truly "heard" your Father Fragment (which again is not the Holy Spirit, not the 3rd person trinity,, but it doesn't matter so much), this means that you had your MIND quieted enough that your FAther Fragment, could get a world in edgewise.

You ones have got to stop separating and making yourselves Special and Different from all your other brothers and sisters trying to know god on this planet. And I highly am appalled with that. That is why I asked above how about Muslims et all.
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Where are you getting your information from???
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A bunch of it, right from "Jesus" himself, and much of it from my soul. I have my monad to access. However, you can read some really good stuff about his life in the two links below I will provide. The first one, PJ #2, And the Called His Name Immanuel is by Esu Immanuel, one of the TWO who shared the body, and Judas Iscariot, who was NOT the betrayer, but was his best friend and scribe. The betrayer was JUDA Ihariot, son of Simon the Pharisee.

The other is an english translation, of the German Book called the Talmud of Immanuel. After Esu passed in Indian at about 115 years of age, his son Joseph brought the records of Judas back to the old grave in Jerusalem. Judas went to India with him and continued to scribe. The priest who was taken to the grave, was later MURDERED as was every family member the thugs could locate. The basic story is explained in both links. The book of Matthew in mentioned in the 2nd link is NOT at all from the scrolls as they try to suggest. They could not be, matthew had no access to them, they were in India, until Joseph went back to jerusalem, but they are both a wondrous read and you should read them. Some of the records were not legible anymore and some were supposedly destroyed when the priest was killed, but I am told no, they were rescued and will be presented to man at a later date.


Both these links are pdf downloads. [link to tweeofmeer.webs.com] to the one with Judas translating from his own ARAMAIC notes along with commentary by Esu (Jesus), and others.

[link to fourwinds10.com] this one is the Talmud of Immanuel, which was LONG available from even Amazon and is no longer in print. As above, its an english translation from the original german which was a translation from the aramaic notes of Judas.
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Thats RIGHT.

Cant come to the father UNLESS we first beleive in Jesus..and we CANT beleive in Jesus UNLESS the FATHER reveals him to us...and the father WONT reveal Jesus TO us unless we beleive in Jesus...

And NO one can come to the father UNLESS they are drawn..and if they are not DRAWN..then God will BURN THEM IN HELL FOREVER IN UNRELENTING HEARTLESS MERCILEESS TORTURE for DARING to NOT beleive...even though their NOT BELEIVING was a direct result of God NOT ALLOWING them to beleive..

Yeah..its a fair system.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14881544


God doesn't send you to hell, you do. And if you want fair, every time you drink you get a DUI, every time you exceed the speed limit by one mile and hour, you get a ticket, every time there is lightning your house gets struck and burns down as well, with every tornado all are killed...no survivors. Do you really want "fairness". Life is unfair to see if you have a pair of balls.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5002507


Most people dont beleive in either heaven or hell.

So are they choosing hell by default?

Is god going to torture needlessly and for the sake of being cruel...billions of people that didnt even MAKE a choice?

Isnt a "CHOICE" defined as having THE FACTS in front of you..and KNWOING fully well what EACH fact entails..then making a WELL informed CHOICE??

How can ANYONE do that when it comes to HELL?

Most people dont even beleive in such a place...and they are right.

If I was to take you into a torture dungeon filled with racks and spikes and red hot pokers ect..and said to you "LOVE me..be my friend..have a personal relationship with me...cause if you DONT...this torture chamber will be put to full use on YOU for not accepting my offer. Its a reasonable offer too..all you have to do is beleive in me and love me..OR..you get horribly tortured over and over with NO way of stopping it...because once I get torturing I just CANT STOP...so please..its a gift..free will choice..love ME..or..TORTURE..take your pick....NO pressure..really..

When they say "I didnt KNOW about your basement..PLEASE have mercy"

I will tell them..

But you AUTOMATICALLY CHOSE to be tortured forever..its YOUR fault...free will an all"

And they will say..the ones that DID know about the basement because I told them..

"THIS is WHY we didnt want to be your friend because you are a torturing EVIL SADIST"

I will say "Well..thats YOUR choice to believe that..this torture I do (As I slowly peel the skin of their faces) is all done in LOVE because I am SUCH a holy being...even TORTURE and AGONY are holy to me"
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IMO, you are as confused as he is about the creator, for real
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only those who enter God's covenant via belief in Jesus Christ -- that He died for our sins and rose from the dead to provide us the free gift of eternal life -- have the Holy Spirit within

it is not a default position for all. we have to ask Him to come in by believing in Jesus.

love rb
 Quoting: rb 2426617


NO this was NEVER EVER Taught by GOD or JESUS. For it is a LIE. And a lot of stuff even in the OT, is the miserably misunderstanding of that group of people in those days, so miserable that is one reason for choosing that area for the Incarnation. The orientals and those in Western Hemisphere at the time were fr advanced of that, and even in India they were too.

NOBODY can DIE for your sins. And only people who are working on purpose against God knowingly, sin. all the other stuff is errors in judgement while the soul is learning.

The Holy Spirit within, is the FATHER FRAGMENT which is FIRST PERSON TRINITY making YOU a SON of the FATHER. A Faith Son at first, and a real son later on in the evolutionary journey. Once you know enough truth and have had enough life experience to make a real choice to pursue eternity, your MIND/Soul will MERGE with your FAther Fragment, which if done WHILE embodied, will consume the body. This very thing doesn't happen much on this world and if witnessed, most would assume you were just murdered by God, from the bright flash produced.

Eternity is a long long time. There are beings already trillions of years old. It is not this simple. Your FATHEr FRAGMENT is NOT EVEN INVITED BY YOU. If this is your first life, it shows up automatically when you make your first real MORAL decision, and on this planet, the average age for that is 5.

You ones are not told truth. I find it worse than sad because this delusion actually slows your soul growth,, which IS the satanic idea.

Jesus was never the name of the Christed Ones that came anyway 2000 years ago. Now I ask, in honesty, what about all those born into other religions and cultures? They go to hell right? NO. They have the same opportunity to learn about the GOD within as do you. Has NOTHING to do with"believing" ON the name Jesus . It does involve consciously learning to walk in the shoes of GOD so that you manifest him on this world. the Joel Osteen types do not teach that, at all. They keep you from discovering yourself.

He did NOT rise from the DEAD. He never DIED, meaning his body. How does a BODY rise from the dead, you hve confused this great soul with the body. NONE of you are your BODY. You are your SPIRIT. and the way your describe your holy spirit within, while laudable in a sense, you have just ignored your own soul/spirit that is still separate from your Father Fragment.

Do you MEDITATE? IF SO, congratulations. If you have truly "heard" your Father Fragment (which again is not the Holy Spirit, not the 3rd person trinity,, but it doesn't matter so much), this means that you had your MIND quieted enough that your FAther Fragment, could get a world in edgewise.

You ones have got to stop separating and making yourselves Special and Different from all your other brothers and sisters trying to know god on this planet. And I highly am appalled with that. That is why I asked above how about Muslims et all.
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um according to the Bible your claim Jesus did not rise from the dead makes you antichrist even disregarding your myriad other nonbiblical teachings

love ya anyway, but yer a nut!

rb
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It so very wrong for these mega preachers to be collecting millions upon millions of dollars and they live like oligarchs.

Sure, they help people. They mostly help themselves though. If they truly loved humanity, they would live modest lives and truly live as Jesus did. They send the wrong message.

They are well known people and I feel they should earn enough for protection and to host VIP's and travel as necessary to help others. But the income they take in is a travesty.
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They do not send the wrong message. They send the exact one a lot of people want to hear. Those same people are melding today's capitalistic-centralized way of life with an ever weaker moral base.

People want to see pastors and preachers living lavish lifestyles, molesting children, and involving themselves in scandals. People want to believe they have faith in something higher than themselves that approves of their actions through lack of divine action against them.

Have your cake and eat it too dogma. Whether they want to open their eyes and see it is up to them.

For as much soul saving as religion does, it will generate an equal amount of soul corruption. That balance is the only reality, and will always exist as long as we do on this planet.
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Thats RIGHT.

Cant come to the father UNLESS we first beleive in Jesus..and we CANT beleive in Jesus UNLESS the FATHER reveals him to us...and the father WONT reveal Jesus TO us unless we beleive in Jesus...

And NO one can come to the father UNLESS they are drawn..and if they are not DRAWN..then God will BURN THEM IN HELL FOREVER IN UNRELENTING HEARTLESS MERCILEESS TORTURE for DARING to NOT beleive...even though their NOT BELEIVING was a direct result of God NOT ALLOWING them to beleive..

Yeah..its a fair system.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14881544


God doesn't send you to hell, you do. And if you want fair, every time you drink you get a DUI, every time you exceed the speed limit by one mile and hour, you get a ticket, every time there is lightning your house gets struck and burns down as well, with every tornado all are killed...no survivors. Do you really want "fairness". Life is unfair to see if you have a pair of balls.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5002507


Most people dont beleive in either heaven or hell.

So are they choosing hell by default?

Is god going to torture needlessly and for the sake of being cruel...billions of people that didnt even MAKE a choice?

Isnt a "CHOICE" defined as having THE FACTS in front of you..and KNWOING fully well what EACH fact entails..then making a WELL informed CHOICE??

How can ANYONE do that when it comes to HELL?

Most people dont even beleive in such a place...and they are right.

If I was to take you into a torture dungeon filled with racks and spikes and red hot pokers ect..and said to you "LOVE me..be my friend..have a personal relationship with me...cause if you DONT...this torture chamber will be put to full use on YOU for not accepting my offer. Its a reasonable offer too..all you have to do is beleive in me and love me..OR..you get horribly tortured over and over with NO way of stopping it...because once I get torturing I just CANT STOP...so please..its a gift..free will choice..love ME..or..TORTURE..take your pick....NO pressure..really..

When they say "I didnt KNOW about your basement..PLEASE have mercy"

I will tell them..

But you AUTOMATICALLY CHOSE to be tortured forever..its YOUR fault...free will an all"

And they will say..the ones that DID know about the basement because I told them..

"THIS is WHY we didnt want to be your friend because you are a torturing EVIL SADIST"

I will say "Well..thats YOUR choice to believe that..this torture I do (As I slowly peel the skin of their faces) is all done in LOVE because I am SUCH a holy being...even TORTURE and AGONY are holy to me"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14881544


Get a life. God does not torture. He gave everyone on the planet 120 years notice the earth was going to be flooded. Even had a fella names Noah build a freaking HUGE ark. But all these idiots said 'hes an evil sadist nyaaa,nyaa,nyaa'
So God shut the door, gave the keys to the devil, and said 'the place is yours for awhile'. It's amazing how you hate God and have these delusions of Him. It is obvious you don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about. Try reading the Bible with some wisdom and then come back sport.
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only those who enter God's covenant via belief in Jesus Christ -- that He died for our sins and rose from the dead to provide us the free gift of eternal life -- have the Holy Spirit within

it is not a default position for all. we have to ask Him to come in by believing in Jesus.

love rb
 Quoting: rb 2426617


NO this was NEVER EVER Taught by GOD or JESUS. For it is a LIE. And a lot of stuff even in the OT, is the miserably misunderstanding of that group of people in those days, so miserable that is one reason for choosing that area for the Incarnation. The orientals and those in Western Hemisphere at the time were fr advanced of that, and even in India they were too.

NOBODY can DIE for your sins. And only people who are working on purpose against God knowingly, sin. all the other stuff is errors in judgement while the soul is learning.

The Holy Spirit within, is the FATHER FRAGMENT which is FIRST PERSON TRINITY making YOU a SON of the FATHER. A Faith Son at first, and a real son later on in the evolutionary journey. Once you know enough truth and have had enough life experience to make a real choice to pursue eternity, your MIND/Soul will MERGE with your FAther Fragment, which if done WHILE embodied, will consume the body. This very thing doesn't happen much on this world and if witnessed, most would assume you were just murdered by God, from the bright flash produced.

Eternity is a long long time. There are beings already trillions of years old. It is not this simple. Your FATHEr FRAGMENT is NOT EVEN INVITED BY YOU. If this is your first life, it shows up automatically when you make your first real MORAL decision, and on this planet, the average age for that is 5.

You ones are not told truth. I find it worse than sad because this delusion actually slows your soul growth,, which IS the satanic idea.

Jesus was never the name of the Christed Ones that came anyway 2000 years ago. Now I ask, in honesty, what about all those born into other religions and cultures? They go to hell right? NO. They have the same opportunity to learn about the GOD within as do you. Has NOTHING to do with"believing" ON the name Jesus . It does involve consciously learning to walk in the shoes of GOD so that you manifest him on this world. the Joel Osteen types do not teach that, at all. They keep you from discovering yourself.

He did NOT rise from the DEAD. He never DIED, meaning his body. How does a BODY rise from the dead, you hve confused this great soul with the body. NONE of you are your BODY. You are your SPIRIT. and the way your describe your holy spirit within, while laudable in a sense, you have just ignored your own soul/spirit that is still separate from your Father Fragment.

Do you MEDITATE? IF SO, congratulations. If you have truly "heard" your Father Fragment (which again is not the Holy Spirit, not the 3rd person trinity,, but it doesn't matter so much), this means that you had your MIND quieted enough that your FAther Fragment, could get a world in edgewise.

You ones have got to stop separating and making yourselves Special and Different from all your other brothers and sisters trying to know god on this planet. And I highly am appalled with that. That is why I asked above how about Muslims et all.
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um according to the Bible your claim Jesus did not rise from the dead makes you antichrist even disregarding your myriad other nonbiblical teachings

love ya anyway, but yer a nut!

rb
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BEFORE YOU CONTINUE WITH SUCH STATEMENTs, READ the BOOKS I posted. It takes far less time than the bible. BODIES DO NOT RISE FROM THE DEAD. SOULS DO. THESE BODIES DO NOT GO TO HEAVEN. HE DID NOT DIE> THE BIBLE IS NOT CORRECT. His own apostles knew that. He told them before the crucifixion that he was only be in a coma. THEY KNEW. That it is NOT in your bible is not my problem. THEY KNEW HE LEFT IN A FLYING SAUCER and some of them even went to find in him Syria around 2 years later to tell him what was going on in his name. You can read about that in the Phoenix Journal link. PEOPLE ARE KEPT DUMB AS SHIT ON PURPOSE as part of the antichrist enslavement of this world. God does not work how you are taught in your churches. IT IS NOT ALLOWED EVEN. WHEN some of them start teaching truth even in modern times like about 911 and corruption they have problems which can include blowing up churches or deaths of important members. But the truth is ONLINE and you CAN READ it. STOP CHOOSING TO BE UNIFORMED.

I know both that played the role of Jesus. We together created the official 2nd Coming organization AbundantHope. I would also highly suggest you work thru all the linkys in my signature file which are going to stay there for awhile now. We are giving information never given to this planet. throw away the bible, bury it in the ground and get the truth. Your very souls depend on KNOWING, otherwise your journey is delayed.

Bodies can be resurrected, this is true. Mine has been few times now because of the work I do, I have been thru several murder attempts and I was not treated in hospitals. My body was repaired. But these bodies do NOT go to HEAVEN, they do not survive in the higher frequencies. When you get to those worlds, you are given NEW BODIES. And those bodies do not require toilets, something to ponder. They are not animal bodies.
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Thats RIGHT.

Cant come to the father UNLESS we first beleive in Jesus..and we CANT beleive in Jesus UNLESS the FATHER reveals him to us...and the father WONT reveal Jesus TO us unless we beleive in Jesus...

And NO one can come to the father UNLESS they are drawn..and if they are not DRAWN..then God will BURN THEM IN HELL FOREVER IN UNRELENTING HEARTLESS MERCILEESS TORTURE for DARING to NOT beleive...even though their NOT BELEIVING was a direct result of God NOT ALLOWING them to beleive..

Yeah..its a fair system.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14881544


God doesn't send you to hell, you do. And if you want fair, every time you drink you get a DUI, every time you exceed the speed limit by one mile and hour, you get a ticket, every time there is lightning your house gets struck and burns down as well, with every tornado all are killed...no survivors. Do you really want "fairness". Life is unfair to see if you have a pair of balls.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5002507


Most people dont beleive in either heaven or hell.

So are they choosing hell by default?

Is god going to torture needlessly and for the sake of being cruel...billions of people that didnt even MAKE a choice?

Isnt a "CHOICE" defined as having THE FACTS in front of you..and KNWOING fully well what EACH fact entails..then making a WELL informed CHOICE??

How can ANYONE do that when it comes to HELL?

Most people dont even beleive in such a place...and they are right.

If I was to take you into a torture dungeon filled with racks and spikes and red hot pokers ect..and said to you "LOVE me..be my friend..have a personal relationship with me...cause if you DONT...this torture chamber will be put to full use on YOU for not accepting my offer. Its a reasonable offer too..all you have to do is beleive in me and love me..OR..you get horribly tortured over and over with NO way of stopping it...because once I get torturing I just CANT STOP...so please..its a gift..free will choice..love ME..or..TORTURE..take your pick....NO pressure..really..

When they say "I didnt KNOW about your basement..PLEASE have mercy"

I will tell them..

But you AUTOMATICALLY CHOSE to be tortured forever..its YOUR fault...free will an all"

And they will say..the ones that DID know about the basement because I told them..

"THIS is WHY we didnt want to be your friend because you are a torturing EVIL SADIST"

I will say "Well..thats YOUR choice to believe that..this torture I do (As I slowly peel the skin of their faces) is all done in LOVE because I am SUCH a holy being...even TORTURE and AGONY are holy to me"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14881544


Get a life. God does not torture. He gave everyone on the planet 120 years notice the earth was going to be flooded. Even had a fella names Noah build a freaking HUGE ark. But all these idiots said 'hes an evil sadist nyaaa,nyaa,nyaa'
So God shut the door, gave the keys to the devil, and said 'the place is yours for awhile'. It's amazing how you hate God and have these delusions of Him. It is obvious you don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about. Try reading the Bible with some wisdom and then come back sport.
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Ive read the bible.

Actually ive read at least thrity fifve differing translations of the bible.

None of them agree with the other for the most part.
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It's all old ladies sending in their social security money, that's where 95% of that 20 million came from,... or crazy people.

Benny Hinn, Joyce Meyer, Kenneth Copeland, it's all about duping senile old people.
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Darwinism at its finest. If they are too stupid to be duped into donating everything they have to these hucksters, they deserve it.
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Thats RIGHT.

Cant come to the father UNLESS we first beleive in Jesus..and we CANT beleive in Jesus UNLESS the FATHER reveals him to us...and the father WONT reveal Jesus TO us unless we beleive in Jesus...

And NO one can come to the father UNLESS they are drawn..and if they are not DRAWN..then God will BURN THEM IN HELL FOREVER IN UNRELENTING HEARTLESS MERCILEESS TORTURE for DARING to NOT beleive...even though their NOT BELEIVING was a direct result of God NOT ALLOWING them to beleive..

Yeah..its a fair system.
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God doesn't send you to hell, you do. And if you want fair, every time you drink you get a DUI, every time you exceed the speed limit by one mile and hour, you get a ticket, every time there is lightning your house gets struck and burns down as well, with every tornado all are killed...no survivors. Do you really want "fairness". Life is unfair to see if you have a pair of balls.
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Most people dont beleive in either heaven or hell.

So are they choosing hell by default?

Is god going to torture needlessly and for the sake of being cruel...billions of people that didnt even MAKE a choice?

Isnt a "CHOICE" defined as having THE FACTS in front of you..and KNWOING fully well what EACH fact entails..then making a WELL informed CHOICE??

How can ANYONE do that when it comes to HELL?

Most people dont even beleive in such a place...and they are right.

If I was to take you into a torture dungeon filled with racks and spikes and red hot pokers ect..and said to you "LOVE me..be my friend..have a personal relationship with me...cause if you DONT...this torture chamber will be put to full use on YOU for not accepting my offer. Its a reasonable offer too..all you have to do is beleive in me and love me..OR..you get horribly tortured over and over with NO way of stopping it...because once I get torturing I just CANT STOP...so please..its a gift..free will choice..love ME..or..TORTURE..take your pick....NO pressure..really..

When they say "I didnt KNOW about your basement..PLEASE have mercy"

I will tell them..

But you AUTOMATICALLY CHOSE to be tortured forever..its YOUR fault...free will an all"

And they will say..the ones that DID know about the basement because I told them..

"THIS is WHY we didnt want to be your friend because you are a torturing EVIL SADIST"

I will say "Well..thats YOUR choice to believe that..this torture I do (As I slowly peel the skin of their faces) is all done in LOVE because I am SUCH a holy being...even TORTURE and AGONY are holy to me"
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This is ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT TRUTH

RELIGION IS A FARCE JOKE THAT SEEKS TO CONTROL THE SHEEP FURTHER..

GET YOUR OWN RELATIONSHIP WITH YOUR GOD IF YOU WANT !!

OTHERWISE LIVE LIFE AS A GOOD PERSON

FORGET ALL THIS HOGWASH THAT IS PUKED OUT OF THE BOWELS OF MOLESTERS
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It's all old ladies sending in their social security money, that's where 95% of that 20 million came from,... or crazy people.

Benny Hinn, Joyce Meyer, Kenneth Copeland, it's all about duping senile old people.
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Darwinism at its finest. If they are too stupid to be duped into donating everything they have to these hucksters, they deserve it.
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If religion had been allowed to be taught right, meaning religion is YOUR PERSONAL relationship wtih the FAther Within etc, these ones wouldn't be deluded. Old People to not think well anyway. Some of the deluded ones are not elderly but doctors, an other professionals. There is a real quest for god, and as people age, because they have no real truth, they worry about where they do go. and become more suckers. There are always folks that suck the elderly in a variety of ways.
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Ok I asked here, what is it that you do in your life eternal in heaven? Folks like Joel don't teach you that and neither does any cleric I have ever run into to date.
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..a smirking Cheshire cat at the very least>
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come on folks, NO IDEA about the life Eternal?
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Ok I asked here, what is it that you do in your life eternal in heaven? Folks like Joel don't teach you that and neither does any cleric I have ever run into to date.
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The Bible does not focus on the details of life eternal, only that it will be wonderful, pain and sorrow free.
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did anyone see the vid?
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OOPS - Oprah called him "America's Preacher, and or the WORLD'S PREACHER." HMMMMMMMMMM.
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Osteen says he wants a "wide net of hope," but why does his hope always seem to be "prosperity" and or cash here and now? Does not line up with the Bible whatsoever.
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surprised no one watched the video. It is just a 3min clip. Victoria's sure is more clear here, as she is now the: co-pastor, so I guess she is assuming the role as "co-preacher of the world" as Oprah suggested for Osteen. Interesting Oprah is more in to being "spiritual" rather than into talking about Jesus, but she seems to like the Osteens and gave them an hour on her new show.
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Ok I asked here, what is it that you do in your life eternal in heaven? Folks like Joel don't teach you that and neither does any cleric I have ever run into to date.
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The Bible does not focus on the details of life eternal, only that it will be wonderful, pain and sorrow free.
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Oh for Christ's sake, don't you have any IMAGINATION, which IS OF GOD? What do you want to persue in your eternal life? It s a big creation out there and your bible is incomplete in cosmology. I am an eternal being, a very OLD one, and I am currently on a chosen assignment to incarnate here on earth during these end times. People in eternity live like on earth except far advanced. its a never ending journey into discovery. Heaven is lived ON PLANETS, not in the sky someplace unless you are on craft in the sky. Even spirit beings live on planets. Specially constructed planets but planets never the less.


Look at Venus, that is an 'eternal" craft up there, from heaven.
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[link to antifan-real.deviantart.com] for some ideas presented by an old soul incarnate here about life on other worlds. some of those images are memories of the heaven worlds.
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Ok I asked here, what is it that you do in your life eternal in heaven?
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I have chosen to undertake the Paradise Journey, that is, to become more spiritual, more perfect and to seek God, the Son and the Infinite Spirit. I wish to attain the Corps of the Finality. Perhaps, I already have as I can't remember where I am in the journey because I am incarnate here on earth. I know I am here as an observer because these are definitely historic times.
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Ok I asked here, what is it that you do in your life eternal in heaven?
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I have chosen to undertake the Paradise Journey, that is, to become more spiritual, more perfect and to seek God, the Son and the Infinite Spirit. I wish to attain the Corps of the Finality. Perhaps, I already have as I can't remember where I am in the journey because I am incarnate here on earth. I know I am here as an observer because these are definitely historic times.
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I want detail from NON UB readers here, who no concept of heaven or eternal life. I have tried other threads on this one, without success I might add, except for a few tiny comments.

Even yours must contain however, what you expect to learn in that journey. I have taken it, I am a Mighty Messenger. As is Esu Immanuel who played the other one of the two in the role of Jesus.

Ones as I said before in this thread, and others, do not party on with Jesus having barbecues with family and jesus for all eternity. I want these ones to THINK about that one.

To try to inspire something, I have shown this image of craft around the sun which are being used to do work on the sun. I have suggested perhaps one day as part of their eternal life they might spend some time on one of the puppies. I haven't been paying attention to see if "big buppy" a craft that must be many times the size of earth is hanging out there lately. Big Buppy is NOT in this image:Craft on Stereo :
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Joel Olsteen is a false prophet, teching false doctrine...run, don't walk away from him.

"But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies ..." 2 Pet. 2:1
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I will agree with you NIP on this one.
Joel Osteen does not teach the true meaning of God...and there is a Hell.
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Osteen and wife. I see empty voids concealed in saccharin. Everything about those two makes me want to get as far away from them as I can. Another dark entity heading up an organization with the purpose of enriching themselves to the detriment of those who are most frightened and feel the most alone in this world.

Why does his aura remind me of John Edwards and Anthony Weiner?
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I will agree with you NIP on this one.
Joel Osteen does not teach the true meaning of God...and there is a Hell.
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No chop beloved there is NO HELL. NATURE DOES NOT CREATE such a thing.
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Joel Olsteen is a false prophet, teching false doctrine...run, don't walk away from him.

"But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies ..." 2 Pet. 2:1
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Yes. False prophet indeed! Unfortunately he is raking in real profits. Be not deceived.
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Ok I asked here, what is it that you do in your life eternal in heaven? Folks like Joel don't teach you that and neither does any cleric I have ever run into to date.
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The Bible does not focus on the details of life eternal, only that it will be wonderful, pain and sorrow free.
 Quoting: Teensi2


Oh for Christ's sake, don't you have any IMAGINATION, which IS OF GOD? What do you want to persue in your eternal life? It s a big creation out there and your bible is incomplete in cosmology. I am an eternal being, a very OLD one, and I am currently on a chosen assignment to incarnate here on earth during these end times. People in eternity live like on earth except far advanced. its a never ending journey into discovery. Heaven is lived ON PLANETS, not in the sky someplace unless you are on craft in the sky. Even spirit beings live on planets. Specially constructed planets but planets never the less.


Look at Venus, that is an 'eternal" craft up there, from heaven.
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You may be right..if that's how God runs the show, than so be it. :O)
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It's all old ladies sending in their social security money, that's where 95% of that 20 million came from,... or crazy people.

Benny Hinn, Joyce Meyer, Kenneth Copeland, it's all about duping senile old people.
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exactly..........

I remember a friend's grandmother giving 10K to Jim & Tammy


she was under the impression that she could buy her way into heaven, very sad.

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