Joel Osteen "America's Pastor"

only those who enter God's covenant via belief in Jesus Christ -- that He died for our sins and rose from the dead to provide us the free gift of eternal life -- have the Holy Spirit within

it is not a default position for all. we have to ask Him to come in by believing in Jesus.

love rb

your the one spreading the antichrists lies.

Joel preaches the Great God and Savior Jesus Christ. Believe on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved.

This guys is a fuckin genius!! I think he is worth well over 20 million.....

seems like a good guy, good speaker, reasonable person, a lot of what he preaches about is actually good advice...

he just uses GOD and JESUS to gain his fortune.

It so very wrong for these mega preachers to be collecting millions upon millions of dollars and they live like oligarchs.

Sure, they help people. They mostly help themselves though. If they truly loved humanity, they would live modest lives and truly live as Jesus did. They send the wrong message.

They are well known people and I feel they should earn enough for protection and to host VIP's and travel as necessary to help others. But the income they take in is a travesty.

Jeremiah 23:1-6 speaks to these "pastors".

Just another Torahless charlatan for babel who would NOT recognize the original Mashiyach if he were standing right in front of him.

NO this was NEVER EVER Taught by GOD or JESUS. For it is a LIE. And a lot of stuff even in the OT, is the miserably misunderstanding of that group of people in those days, so miserable that is one reason for choosing that area for the Incarnation. The orientals and those in Western Hemisphere at the time were fr advanced of that, and even in India they were too.

NOBODY can DIE for your sins. And only people who are working on purpose against God knowingly, sin. all the other stuff is errors in judgement while the soul is learning.

The Holy Spirit within, is the FATHER FRAGMENT which is FIRST PERSON TRINITY making YOU a SON of the FATHER. A Faith Son at first, and a real son later on in the evolutionary journey. Once you know enough truth and have had enough life experience to make a real choice to pursue eternity, your MIND/Soul will MERGE with your FAther Fragment, which if done WHILE embodied, will consume the body. This very thing doesn't happen much on this world and if witnessed, most would assume you were just murdered by God, from the bright flash produced.

Eternity is a long long time. There are beings already trillions of years old. It is not this simple. Your FATHEr FRAGMENT is NOT EVEN INVITED BY YOU. If this is your first life, it shows up automatically when you make your first real MORAL decision, and on this planet, the average age for that is 5.

You ones are not told truth. I find it worse than sad because this delusion actually slows your soul growth,, which IS the satanic idea.

Jesus was never the name of the Christed Ones that came anyway 2000 years ago. Now I ask, in honesty, what about all those born into other religions and cultures? They go to hell right? NO. They have the same opportunity to learn about the GOD within as do you. Has NOTHING to do with"believing" ON the name Jesus . It does involve consciously learning to walk in the shoes of GOD so that you manifest him on this world. the Joel Osteen types do not teach that, at all. They keep you from discovering yourself.

He did NOT rise from the DEAD. He never DIED, meaning his body. How does a BODY rise from the dead, you hve confused this great soul with the body. NONE of you are your BODY. You are your SPIRIT. and the way your describe your holy spirit within, while laudable in a sense, you have just ignored your own soul/spirit that is still separate from your Father Fragment.

Do you MEDITATE? IF SO, congratulations. If you have truly "heard" your Father Fragment (which again is not the Holy Spirit, not the 3rd person trinity,, but it doesn't matter so much), this means that you had your MIND quieted enough that your FAther Fragment, could get a world in edgewise.

You ones have got to stop separating and making yourselves Special and Different from all your other brothers and sisters trying to know god on this planet. And I highly am appalled with that. That is why I asked above how about Muslims et all.

SOME OF IT IS GOOD ADVICE, but still he does not let you know where GOD IS! He tells lies after lies, I listened to some this morning, which is why I made this thread, about how God works. He said think of God as a Father, but he leaves out the most important teaching of all, that the Father is right inside of you and not up there some place. If churches actually taught how to connect with the Father Within (the quakers know this, only ones I have found that do), and how you ARE guided and about HOW your grow your soul and learn, this world would NOT be in the shit that it is.

Joel is not leading you to WHERE GOD IS. And you know what, when people believe those stories he tells about his life, and the way he teaches about god, if that idea of God doesn't work out, people leave God, Sometimes they find God in other resources, sometimes not.

I know a Mormon lady, well she's an ex mormon, she made them take her off their rolls, didi everything in the long lists of things that would guarantee that she would be blessed. Will she and mormon husband got a construction loan, a temporary situation to build a house, which they put in almost every nail and most of the plumbing and electricity themselves, they built the house, literally.

Then when done, and then went to convert to a regular mortage, they were denied and they lost their house to a filthy mormon banker. This happens in other forms of Christianity too, the filth is everywhere on this world.

IT BROKE HER FOR A TIME and her recovery was long. The day they had to move out of house they built and for which they has prequalified for the regular mortgage when the house was finished, she hit the ground hard screaming what about her BLESSINGS from the Lord as she had always followed the teachings. Well in a way, it was a blessing she got the hell out of there, guided the Conversations with God books which helped her stand back up.

Joel teaches your to accept SHIT as "god didn't want you to have that yet", and that is NOT of GOD!

When this turkey has been interviewed on Larry King, his turkey hood, (and blessings to the turkey that feeds people), his intent shows all over the place, he cannot answer questions for which there are answers for, the LIE shows in his countenance, that maybe some people don't see in the staged for TV stuff and at his church. his wife is worse. he should tape her mouth shut.

You can thank OPRAH, of all people, giving Osteen that title. There is another thread about that.

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

I'm not the super religious type, but if any of these megachurch pastors are evil (or possibly even possessed), it's this asshole. His sick constant smile, the raking in of endless money, and his preaching of instant self gratification give his motives away.

matthew 15-8

+1

yes the artificial shows to some of us.

did anyone see the vid?

OOPS - Oprah called him "America's Preacher, and or the WORLD'S PREACHER." HMMMMMMMMMM.

Osteen says he wants a "wide net of hope," but why does his hope always seem to be "prosperity" and or cash here and now? Does not line up with the Bible whatsoever.

His day of shame is coming soon

Church against church, man against man, all shall fall away when wicked minds are stripped of power.

It's all old ladies sending in their social security money, that's where 95% of that 20 million came from,... or crazy people.

Benny Hinn, Joyce Meyer, Kenneth Copeland, it's all about duping senile old people.

What do you think about Joyce M compared to Joel O?

Actally I am not sure about Joyce M, who is she? Copeland was actually liked by Christ Michael. Benny Hinn is creepy, excuse the word, with lots of "acting" at his stuff. I have only seen him on TV and maybe you tube? Spiritual truth is just never about the money. I would have no problem with churches, good clerics who are also good counselors have huge value and some smaller churches in terms of service and counseling can ber very good, but they need to teach about the Father Fragment, which the Urantia Book generally calls the thought adjuster, which does NOT adjust your thoughts, it's advisory and its a complex part of the soul, because it is also a portal to all that is, and also it stores all of you important details of spiritual value from each life. It doesn't store what you ate, and that sort of stuff, it stores memories of value.

I love looking at my past lives, I have had some stupid ones and some marvelous ones. And some dangerous ones.

In the portion I quoted from the linky in my first post, he talks about God being father, but does NOT SAY YOU ARE HIS SON/Daughter and provide more information about HOW God is your FATHER. Far as I know he doesn't mention anything about reincarnation, never seen it.

Your bible is right to a point, on ONE life, you have ONE life to CHOOSE whether you wish to try on the eternal journey. For some people, its not for them. If they have NOT made a decision to try on Eternal life at the time of their death, they go thru the BARDOS where it is presented to them there. Some never even know it exists so the opportunity comes then. Some are such dark shitheads the Father fragment will abandon them in life, it just leaves, and then of course, they do not survive, because the Father Fragment is what causes survival, not believing on the Lord Jesus Christ.

AFTER you have chosen survival, ie giving eternal life a tryout, you begin to undergo testing which will include more lives on evolutionary planets. These can be as few as one some place, or several some place, and over more than one place. The average soul will experience about 1000 lives over a period of about 200,000 years. Before fusion with the Father Fragment. Eternal LIFE is forever, there are beings many trillions of years old now, ponder that.

So a question to talk about perhaps. is what do you do in your "heaven" for all eternity, and there is not a single cleric I have ever seen that does any talking about that, and they SHOULD, but they do not KNOW and on top of that ARE NOT ALLOWED by the Antichrists of this world. You are kept dumb sheep and dumb sheep god has NO use for. You do not party with your family with Jesus for trillions of years. Nor, for new agers, do you live in some place of bliss, and not carrying about trillions of years because they have been told time does not exist in bliss. It does exist, but it varies for each planet of course depending on the revolution of axis and trip around it's sun.

The heaven worlds, which are custom built and you have to EARN the right to live on them, do also revolve, but not around a central sun. But there must be communication and record keeping and so there ARE standard times that those living on those sphers adhere to, as set up by the local capitol worlds of each local universe. There are 700,000 local universes most already started, others just starting to come into being. Our universe that Earth belongs to, is universe #611,121, I think, I may have messed the last 3 numbers But you get the point. The universe was "set into motion" about 875 Billion years ago. And we are a younger one. but we have already 3.8 million evolutionary planets with intelligent life on them, plus the heaven worlds. The Creator of our Universe was here as jesus 2000 years ago, and is returned and this is FACT and I know him personally, I communicate daily with him. Years ago, in 2004, he actually flew down over my house in a little silver craft before we started the pubic venture. it was on election day in november 2004.

You ones are being kept IGNORANT on purpose by the likes of the rich public ministers that continue to put god outside of you. Can you image how different your life might be if you attended a WORTHY CHURCH?

[link to joycemeyer.org]

She seemed legit to me a while ago, but when I tried to listen in the past couple years, materialism seemed to rear its ugly head in some form...



Last Edited by oh_hi9876 on 04/22/2012 09:57 PM

You are looking at a potential future presidential canidate here folks.... you've been warned

Where are you getting your information from???

I am glad you see the fallacy and the lies in what he says... problem is you are basing the lies upon your own perception of reality... always a subjective qualification.

there must be a plumb line..... and for those who seek the truth of the great I AM, there is only one.

Seek, and ye shall find !

I prefer this guy

Thats RIGHT.

Cant come to the father UNLESS we first beleive in Jesus..and we CANT beleive in Jesus UNLESS the FATHER reveals him to us...and the father WONT reveal Jesus TO us unless we beleive in Jesus...

And NO one can come to the father UNLESS they are drawn..and if they are not DRAWN..then God will BURN THEM IN HELL FOREVER IN UNRELENTING HEARTLESS MERCILEESS TORTURE for DARING to NOT beleive...even though their NOT BELEIVING was a direct result of God NOT ALLOWING them to beleive..

Yeah..its a fair system.

Joyce can be ok. Joel has got to go. When the holograms come he will be the one leading millions astray saying "there He is in the desert, give me your money and follow me. NIP glad to see your starting to come around. Yes Jesus is lord. God is love. Jesus is the name I use for God so as not to confuse others with their god. They are one in the same. If God came to earth we would have a reverse big bang. All would die, for if everything came together as one, there would be nothing else. The prayer closet is so not to act a show off.(trust me, listen to some preachers pray) Most people won't grandstand if they are alone with God. God speaks to you everyday, meditation or not. It is just people don't listen or realize. He has spoken to me through my eight-year old daughter before! The Lord works in mysterious ways. The key is wisdom.
God bless.

Just because he has money does not mean he is not saved through Jesus Christ, which is what he preaches from the times I have heard him.
Is he profiting? Yes. Is he sinning? Maybe, but that is between him and God. We don't know his sins.

He is no harming anyone and hopefully many have come to Christ through his preaching.

If he let's this go to his head to the point that he sins, than God will correct him and we can pray that he listens but this man shouldn't be a concern for anyone. There are WAY bigger problems on this earth.