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Timothy Geithner (Secretary of the Treasury) alone determines what Shotguns & shells are considered “destructive devices” and can be banned

 
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Timothy Geithner (Secretary of the Treasury) alone determines what Shotguns & shells are considered “destructive devices” and can be banned
If you have not read this thread make sure you read this post I linked, it explains how they can ban any imported gun also without legislation. Eric holder is responsible for all imported weapons and with the stroke of a pen can ban anything imported.



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Thee Secretary of the Treasury is solely responsible for determining what shotguns are legal.

The Secretary of course is Timothy Geithner


The national fire arms act of 1934 was created to impose a severe tax to discourage the purchasing and transfer of firearms from one person to another. They later removed the term firearm and replaced it with the term destructive device.

The tax has been unchanged in the 78 years since it was enacted and is still $200 dollars if you wish to purchases a destructive device, this “transfer fee” is collected & your destructive device is registered to you.

The sectary of the treasury responsibility is to determine what is considered a weapon and what is considered a “sporting purpose” shotgun. No law has to be passed to change what shotguns are legal and what shotguns are considered “destructive devices” unrelated to sporting, it is at the whim of the sectary.


Here it is Title 26 > subtitle E > chapter 53 > subchapter B > Part 1 > section 5845 of the tax code.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

(2) Any weapon by whatever name known which will, or which may be readily converted to, expel a projectile by the action of an explosive or other propellant, the barrel or barrels of which have a bore of more than one-half inch in diameter (.50 inches or 12.7mm), except a shotgun or shotgun shell which the Secretary finds is generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes

A few more links for those that would like to read more on the subject.

[link to www.law.cornell.edu]

Here is the Tax cobe it self.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


Here is the ATF link on it explaining it all in detail.

[link to www.atf.gov]

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So at any point at the whim of Mr. Geithner he can ban whatever shotguns he wants by putting them in to the same category as Explosives, poison gas, grenades rockets and mines.

There it is in black and white, the IRS code gives the power to the Secretary of the Treasury alone determine what shotguns you are allowed to own and they have the power to change it without any legislation.



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The Supreme Court found that forcing a person to register a firearm was unconstitutional & in 1968 the wording of the tax code was changed. The word “firearm” became “destructive device” at that time.


This tax code was enacted in response to the St. Valentine’s Day massacre and specifically designed as a way to arrest gangsters for possessing unregistered firearms. The IRS was a key player in stopping gangs at the time and was even used to bring down capon just 3 years before this was enacted.
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Here is the kicker, you can purchases things like sawed-off shotguns legally. But you have to pay the $200 dollar transfer fee plus any state tax fees. The state fees vary from state to state but you have to pay the state tax EVERY single year if your state does have a fee...

This is a old school Tax stamp




Q: What are the required transfer procedures for an individual who is not qualified as a manufacturer, importer, or dealer of NFA firearms?
ATF Form 4 (5320.4) must be completed, in duplicate. The transferor first completes the face of the form. The transferee completes the transferee’s certification on the reverse of the form and must have the “Law Enforcement Certification” completed by the chief law enforcement officer.

The transferee is to place, on each copy of the form, a 2-inch by 2-inch photograph of the transferee taken within the past year (proofs, group photographs or photocopies are unacceptable). The transferee’s address must be a street address, not a post office box. If there is no street address, specific directions to the residence must be included.

If State or local law requires a permit or license to purchase, possess, or receive NFA firearms, a copy of the transferee’s permit or license must accompany the application. A check or money order for $200 ($5 for transfer of “any other weapon”) shall be made payable to ATF by the transferor. All signatures on both copies must be in ink.

Fingerprints also must be submitted on FBI Form FD-258, in duplicate. Fingerprints must be taken by a person qualified to do so, and must be clear and classifiable. If wear or damage to the fingertips do not allow clear prints, and if the prints are taken by a law enforcement official, a statement on his or her official letterhead giving the reason why good prints are unobtainable should accompany the fingerprints.

Forward the completed application and appropriate tax payment to the Bureau of ATF, National Firearms Act Branch, P.O. Box 530298, Atlanta, GA 30353-0298.

Transfer of the NFA firearm may be made only upon approval of the ATF Form 4 by the NFA Branch. If the application is approved, the original of the form with the cancelled stamp affixed showing approval will be returned to the applicant. If the tax application is denied, the tax will be refunded.
Upon approval of the ATF Form 4, the transferor should

transfer the firearm as soon as possible, since the firearm is now registered to the transferee


[link to www.atf.gov]
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Right from the ATF site talking about the 1934 NFA duty on transferring a firearm and why in 1968 they removed the word "firearm" and changed it to ”destructive device”

But shotguns and shotgun shells were left still under the control of the Secretary of the Treasury alone.


Look at how the Fifth Amendment was used in this case and what it still means today to you!


As structured in 1934, the NFA imposed a duty on persons transferring NFA firearms, as well as mere possessors of unregistered firearms, to register them with the Secretary of the Treasury. If the possessor of an unregistered firearm applied to register the firearm as required by the NFA, the Treasury Department could supply information to State authorities about the registrant’s possession of the firearm. State authorities could then use the information to prosecute the person whose possession violated State laws. For these reasons, the Supreme Court in 1968 held in the Haynes case that a person prosecuted for possessing an unregistered NFA firearm had a valid defense to the prosecution — the registration requirement imposed on the possessor of an unregistered firearm violated the possessor’s privilege from self-incrimination under the Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. The Haynes decision made the 1934 Act virtually unenforceable


50% rule.

[link to www.atf.gov]

So it is now referenced as the 1968 act and enforceable again.

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"Unintended Consequences" by John Ross.
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Tom Fleming and Henry Bowman are characters in the book.

Tom Fleming, Henry Bowman's friend says in effect that as honest adults we think we have the right to own small arms and shoot them. He compares the importance of our gun culture to the Native Americans living as nomads and hunting buffalo.

He stresses the importance and states that with almost non existent criminal involvement, incomes and educations above average, and willing to pay for it, you'd think Washington would be happy but they try to destroy a culture.

Then he says:

"In the 1920s, soldiers sat on their bunks in the cold at Camp Perry, cleaning the handmade .22 target rifles with which they would compete the following day. Then our President announces that, today, seventy years later, he is ordering these guns thrown into a blast furnace; we in the gun culture feel powerful emotions. They are the same emotions a Native American would feel if the President ordered the destruction of their war clubs and other sacred tribal artifacts; they are the same emotions that jewish people felt watching newsreel footage of Nazi Storm Troopers burning copies of their Torah. "

Quoted portion is from the book, Unintended Consequences by John Ross and is posted for discussion and educational purposes.
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I'm glad I live in TN. We don't have to deal with that bullshit.
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Soon....all these Facists and Socialists will be out of office.

Look forward to that day....and open the champagne when they are gone.

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Buy now, tards. Don't wait.....
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are you from the left warning us what is going to happen
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"Unintended Consequences" by John Ross.
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Thee Secretary of the Treasury is solely responsible for determining what shotguns are legal.

The Secretary of course is Timothy Geithner


The national fire arms act of 1934 was created to impose a severe tax to discourage the purchasing and transfer of firearms from one person to another. They later removed the term firearm and replaced it with the term destructive device.

The tax has been unchanged in the 78 years since it was enacted and is still $200 dollars if you wish to purchases a destructive device, this &#147;transfer fee” is collected & your destructive device is registered to you.

The sectary of the treasury responsibility is to determine what is considered a weapon and what is considered a “sporting purpose” shotgun. No law has to be passed to change what shotguns are legal and what shotguns are considered “destructive devices” unrelated to sporting, it is at the whim of the sectary.


Here it is Title 26 > subtitle E > chapter 53 > subchapter B > Part 1 > section 5845 of the tax code.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

(2) Any weapon by whatever name known which will, or which may be readily converted to, expel a projectile by the action of an explosive or other propellant, the barrel or barrels of which have a bore of more than one-half inch in diameter (.50 inches or 12.7mm), except a shotgun or shotgun shell which the Secretary finds is generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes

A few more links for those that would like to read more on the subject.

[link to www.law.cornell.edu]

Here is the Tax cobe it self.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


Here is the ATF link on it explaining it all in detail.

[link to www.atf.gov]

:divide3: :divide3:

So at any point at the whim of Mr. Geithner he can ban whatever shotguns he wants by putting them in to the same category as Explosives, poison gas, grenades rockets and mines.

There it is in black and white, the IRS code gives the power to the Secretary of the Treasury alone determine what shotguns you are allowed to own and they have the power to change it without any legislation.



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I'm no gun expert, but isn't any shotgun a 'destructive device' wtf
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US citizens determine that Obama and his band of Marxist Minions are considered “destructive devices” and should be banned.
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Fixed. hf
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I'm no gun expert, but isn't any shotgun a 'destructive device' wtf
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yes.



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My dick is a destructive device!
Come try to ban this shit and I'll come on you.
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In battlefield 3 shotgun shells are banned in tournaments and leagues... so thats a start...
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Utter nonsence..."created in 1939"...oh, so Obama was president during the Depression? The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that citizens have a federal, constitutional right to keep and bear firearms; which completely adheres to the 2nd amendment. People have been duped into believing anything as long as it promotes the party line...the citizens are living a false reality created by the owner's. bsflag
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Stockpile what you can now.
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Ummm... I think Evil Politicians are..."DESTRUCTIVE DEVICES"

I will be cleaning house soon...
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The Supreme Court found that forcing a person to register a firearm was unconstitutional & in 1968 the wording of the tax code was changed. The word “firearm” became “destructive device” at that time.


This tax code was enacted in response to the St. Valentine’s Day massacre and specifically designed as a way to arrest gangsters for possessing unregistered firearms. The IRS was a key player in stopping gangs at the time and was even used to bring down capon just 3 years before this was enacted.
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Well done Op !
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Awesome !
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I own quite a few and none of this means jack shit.
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I register nothing.

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