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Spittin'Cesium

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DILUTION is the SOLUTION ... or something like that.
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Aye'..Yup..Agreed.
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It's time to invade Japan and take over fixing Fukushima. What they are doing and not doing there is like an act of war against the entire planet, especially north america.
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And do what? The world is standing around with its thumb up its collective ass because there is no viable solution.
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It's time to invade Japan and take over fixing Fukushima. What they are doing and not doing there is like an act of war against the entire planet, especially north america.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6706972


And do what? The world is standing around with its thumb up its collective ass because there is no viable solution.
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Agreed.

I spend alot of time trying to think about what we could design or utilize at present to help remove the Fuel Rods and allow a real clean-up(if possible)of the entire site..but it is just such an horrendous mass of twisted metal and puddles of death that knowing where to begin alone is a massive challenge.

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and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun.
Ecclesiastes 9:1
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The correct solution would be to not build nuclear reactors on active sysmic faults.
Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.
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Know that this video is from 2011. But imagine that we are 13 months later. And this is still going on,and it wont change. We are destroying wild life and ourself,because goverments are to busy making budget cuts.



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The correct solution would be to not build nuclear reactors on active sysmic faults.
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that is true, but won't change our current situation... sadly
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Why in the fuck would they do that...it doesnt make any sense whatsoever!
 Quoting: RememberThis


Nothing they have done makes any sense. Especially those cranes just sitting there doing nothing.
 Quoting: GeekOfTheWeek


That they have done nothing makes no sense. (agreed)

The greatest health threat from this disaster to the world, and especially to north America, if one is to disregard Japan, is materials being vaporized and entering the atmosphere.

That reactors have completely melted through and that water is and will continue to be contaminated is inevitable.

Like bug said, dilution is important, and the fact is that the mass of the ocean provides a better sink and protection from the effects of the materials, than does the air, or the ground water.

I don't deny that the radiation of the oceans with this pollution could be an ELE for some ocean species. To say this is sad is an understatement, but in the big picture I see why it is reasonable for them to pump radioactive groundwater to the ocean, although they should filter it as well as they can, even if that is not totally effective.

On the other hand I feel that there are some things that could be done that aren't being done, to reinforce spent fuel pools that are weakened, to remove fuel rods, and to cap over hopeless melt-through areas in boron and concrete.

Keep up the good work Perth.

Honestly Perth, I am not sure, but I did study nuclear sciences some in college, never got a degree however, and I suspect that much of the effect of sea water contamination will be better mitigated, sequestered, and diluted, and possibly not create so much damage as up on land and in the air. But it is complex, the various materials involved and their effects, and of their dispersal or concentration areas for sure, and I am not 100% sure of my opinion on that matter. By all means correct me if you think I am wrong.

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Why in the fuck would they do that...it doesnt make any sense whatsoever!
 Quoting: RememberThis


Nothing they have done makes any sense. Especially those cranes just sitting there doing nothing.
 Quoting: GeekOfTheWeek


That they have done nothing makes no sense. (agreed)

The greatest health threat from this disaster to the world, and especially to north America, if one is to disregard Japan, is materials being vaporized and entering the atmosphere.

That reactors have completely melted through and that water is and will continue to be contaminated is inevitable.

Like bug said, dilution is important, and the fact is that the mass of the ocean provides a better sink and protection from the effects of the materials, than does the air, or the ground water.

I don't deny that the radiation of the oceans with this pollution could be an ELE for some ocean species. To say this is sad is an understatement, but in the big picture I see why it is reasonable for them to pump radioactive groundwater to the ocean, although they should filter it as well as they can, even if that is not totally effective.

On the other hand I feel that there are some things that could be done that aren't being done, to reinforce spent fuel pools that are weakened, to remove fuel rods, and to cap over hopeless melt-through areas in boron and concrete.

Keep up the good work Perth.
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we have become nuclear experts... sadly....

perhaps that dude was right.. japan needs to sink to the sea.....
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Why in the fuck would they do that...it doesnt make any sense whatsoever!
 Quoting: RememberThis


why dont you go run the place, you seem to know so much.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14952609


why don't you go run around and fix things?
 Quoting: citizenperth


ive done far more for the people of Fukushima than you will ever do.

Ive done fund raisers is in Tokyo, taken food and supplies to Tohoku and numerous trips to Fukushima to volunteer in clean up operations.

Have you ever thought of the consequences your constant moaning, lying about the situation has done for the people who this disaster really affects?

all you give a shit about is winning a popularity contest on this web site.
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Oh looky!

This, Ladies and gentlemen is a lemming. A lobotomised lemming.

Hark at its cry of I've done so much, I'm a fucking hero etc... .

The only actual help reaching the sufferers without a price tag got to them in the first month after the disaster. The people who went up that way at that time did it on their own backs, collecting stuff and driving themselves in that direction.

Soon enough the 'charity' aspect of the mission was taken over by businessmen, and soon after that you couldn't do anything charitable unless it was OK'd by some person in authority in the particular group you decided suited your feelings. I have no doubt at all that warehouses filled with charitable donated stuff is still locked up permanently and will never get distributed - or it's been stolen or sold.

Fund raisers! Don't make me laugh! The charities that might have made a positive difference were not there or never mentioned in the media here. Rothschild's Red Cross is now collecting on the interest of the money conned from idiots who wanted to feel they were helping. Actually the Red Cross is still sitting on money and getting interest from the Hanshin Earthquake back in 1995.

Volunteering for clean-up missions? Well if it makes you feel good. But if you're a young man or woman who still wants children and/or a good chance at a long and healthy life then I hope you took the necessary precaution of bringing along your own radiation testing equipment because the figures released by the government and thus the figures used by organised charity missions - have never been accurate and have invariably been skewed or simply omitted.

(You say:- "Of course the government and TEPCO have been accurate and up-front with vital information.")

Who's moaning? All I read is a genuine concern about the danger everywhere posed by Fukushima. If you describe someone explaining obvious deletarious consequences of a nuclear power station's multiple meltdowns and subsequent serious attempts to white-wash the situation as 'moaning,' then I think describing someone like you who has swallowed the corporate line and (very likely) wrecked your DNA by following their bs and touching, breathing and eating radioactive particulates - as a lemming is very mild.

The one and only thing that can help those poor people living where the radiation is accumulating is to GTFO People are moving from Tokyo-on-up at a quickening rate as they realize they have been duped. I sincerely hope you stay in Fukushima helping those who have lost hope and are staying because they have decided to die there.

Self-rightious prick!

Anyone able to get some useful and truthful information to people is doing a good job in my book.

I'd say you must be well-under 30, not a long-termer here in Japan, and you support those pirates on the anti-whaling ships. * (Or a woman)

And you are very naive. Well would you live near Chernobyl? Would you clean up those deserted towns around there? You think multiple meltdowns with radioactive contamination entering the underground water, the sea, the air and the soil uncovered for over a year can possibly be safer? (I expect you actually do).

Start thinkiing for yourself and do some calculations. Spend less time with those other gaijins who think Japan is Alice's Wonderland, sober up and grow up.

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It's time to invade Japan and take over fixing Fukushima. What they are doing and not doing there is like an act of war against the entire planet, especially north america.
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Understand that there is nothing they can do - seriously, nothing.

It is not like anyone or any machine can get to the core - or what's left of the core. and dig it out and isolate it. Its not like they can even get cooling pipes close to the core (or what's left of it). Hell they can't even get a camera close enough to take images before the electronics are fried beyond repair due to radiation.

It's not like they can cap this sucker, the damage is already below ground level and sinking deeper. Besides which, its too close to the sea.

This is a total FUBAR situation. FUBAR = "Fucked up beyond all recognition/any repair/all reason"

It is unfixable - we don't have the technology to fix this.
 Quoting: Bowyn Aerrow


this...........

That is the situation as best as I can ascertain from the info out there. It would be good though if more people actually understood what is going on.

I also have an uneasy feeling from all of this now as I think that TPTB now view nuclear weapons as viable again for limited use due to the fact that we had Chernobyl and now Fuku and the resulting contamination. They have been using the depleted uranium bombs like they are going out of style ................ I just have this bad feeling that I can't shake.
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Remember this? A freaking ghost horseman of the apocalypse galloping into Japan in front of the wave of death brought by the sea?

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I appreciate the posts, OP.
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Remember this? A freaking ghost horseman of the apocalypse galloping into Japan in front of the wave of death brought by the sea?


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This is it, man. The end is coming. GAME OVER.
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When you see angels of death and destruction galloping over the land on the news, leaving a trail of ectoplasm behind them, the end is drawing near.
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This is your time to get right spiritually, because it's going to get much, much worse.
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This is your time to get right spiritually, because it's going to get much, much worse.
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this is right now touching us all... us and our children..... no lie.... no fib.. this is real... no sound track... no wonder... no scary story...
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They should build stainless steel silos with 3 meteres of concrete caseing, earthquake proof to magnitude 10, and build as many as it takes to house all this water. For the sake of all mankind.

But of course, this wont happen..
How would the bosses have enouch money left for their yachts and mansions??????tomato
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now this is truely an ongoing horror story.

how has the nation with the best robotics knowledge and tech not pre thought this , massive sodding Arm thing controlled by mans arm a mile away with cameras , f#@k sake do i have to go and make it them, where to start my ass move some rubble , DO something, and to ALL surely thorium reactors are a better plan then this on occasion , their are thousands of reactors now in this world , its time we made one thats safe from the off, even if it is less efficient

peace
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Everything is ok..and this is'nt smoke nor is there fire: [link to images.nationalgeographic.com]

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The thing that hath been,
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Daily Fukushima BS Gnewz Update:

[link to www.youtube.com]

Hoo.k.

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The thing that hath been,
is That which shall be;
and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun.
Ecclesiastes 9:1
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i bet they have been all along.
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The 4th April 2011:



[link to video.godlikeproductions.com]

Hoo.k.
 Quoting: Spittin'Cesium


i bet they have been all along.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4494441


I refer you to my previous post above from April 2011 ^

Media Obfuscation is what we get with Gnewz regarding Fukushima Daiichi.
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tepco has poisoned the ocean enough already!

this is terrible.

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INTO THE SEA.... INTERNATIONAL OUTRAGE MUCH?????
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Don't know or understand much about radiation do you dummy? lmao
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It's time to invade Japan and take over fixing Fukushima. What they are doing and not doing there is like an act of war against the entire planet, especially north america.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6706972


that is a fair point given how long it is taking... comparison to chernobyl is no longer on the table.....
 Quoting: citizenperth


Best thing that could be done to it would be to sink it into the ocean.

This has FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR surpassed anything Chernobyl put out....and it's STILL spewing.


winds gotrad

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Maybe, because the radiation levels that they are unable to measure..have China Syndromed and melted down through Japans aquafer, an underground bladder of water, a lake of water under the lands of Japan and thus has been carried althroughout the lands of Japan. Maybe, thats why they are measuring high levels of radiation many distances from Fukushima.
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Thread: **BREAKING**PIN THIS SHIT NOW!!!!! TEPCO Confirms That Groundwater Radiation Is So Bad, Everyone Thought It Had To Be An Error:JAPAN IS SCREWED
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just fkn nuke em already .....drop a couple bombs and speed the process up...then every one in N.america stay inside for 6 months OK
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this whole damn site is full of cia and shill disinformation
artists
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Well that doesn't help us any.
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all you give a shit about is winning a popularity contest on this web site.
 Quoting: mael


Oh looky!

This, Ladies and gentlemen is a lemming. A lobotomised lemming.

Hark at its cry of I've done so much, I'm a fucking hero etc... .

The only actual help reaching the sufferers without a price tag got to them in the first month after the disaster. The people who went up that way at that time did it on their own backs, collecting stuff and driving themselves in that direction.

Soon enough the 'charity' aspect of the mission was taken over by businessmen, and soon after that you couldn't do anything charitable unless it was OK'd by some person in authority in the particular group you decided suited your feelings. I have no doubt at all that warehouses filled with charitable donated stuff is still locked up permanently and will never get distributed - or it's been stolen or sold.

Fund raisers! Don't make me laugh! The charities that might have made a positive difference were not there or never mentioned in the media here. Rothschild's Red Cross is now collecting on the interest of the money conned from idiots who wanted to feel they were helping. Actually the Red Cross is still sitting on money and getting interest from the Hanshin Earthquake back in 1995.

Volunteering for clean-up missions? Well if it makes you feel good. But if you're a young man or woman who still wants children and/or a good chance at a long and healthy life then I hope you took the necessary precaution of bringing along your own radiation testing equipment because the figures released by the government and thus the figures used by organised charity missions - have never been accurate and have invariably been skewed or simply omitted.

(You say:- "Of course the government and TEPCO have been accurate and up-front with vital information.")

Who's moaning? All I read is a genuine concern about the danger everywhere posed by Fukushima. If you describe someone explaining obvious deletarious consequences of a nuclear power station's multiple meltdowns and subsequent serious attempts to white-wash the situation as 'moaning,' then I think describing someone like you who has swallowed the corporate line and (very likely) wrecked your DNA by following their bs and touching, breathing and eating radioactive particulates - as a lemming is very mild.

The one and only thing that can help those poor people living where the radiation is accumulating is to GTFO People are moving from Tokyo-on-up at a quickening rate as they realize they have been duped. I sincerely hope you stay in Fukushima helping those who have lost hope and are staying because they have decided to die there.

Self-rightious prick!

Anyone able to get some useful and truthful information to people is doing a good job in my book.

I'd say you must be well-under 30, not a long-termer here in Japan, and you support those pirates on the anti-whaling ships. * (Or a woman)

And you are very naive. Well would you live near Chernobyl? Would you clean up those deserted towns around there? You think multiple meltdowns with radioactive contamination entering the underground water, the sea, the air and the soil uncovered for over a year can possibly be safer? (I expect you actually do).

Start thinkiing for yourself and do some calculations. Spend less time with those other gaijins who think Japan is Alice's Wonderland, sober up and grow up.



Good to see you, Mael.

Good time for you to comment.

Equal time and all that... and I agree with you.

~
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200 ~ 400 m3 of groundwater flows into the basement floors of reactor 1 ~ 4 on the daily basis.
Tepco still injects 600m3 of water to reactor 1 ~3 everyday, contaminated water increases by 800 ~ 1000 m3 everyday. Currently, 98,000 m3 of contaminated water is under reactor 1 ~ 4.

To reduce groundwater to flow into the basement floors by half, Tepco is going to make 14 wells (30cm diameter, 32m deep) at 80 ~ 200 m far from the plants on the mountain side....The pumped up water will be discharged to the sea directly, but they measured tritium from one of the three wells "

INTO THE SEA.... INTERNATIONAL OUTRAGE MUCH?????

[link to fukushima-diary.com]
 Quoting: citizenperth


I can show you millions of dead fish if you like to prove to you that its been going into the ocean the whole fucking time.

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