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Who or What created the Creator? Serious Question....

 
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When I was a kid I would constantly question where "We" came from... Well I think I have a few ideas on that but I will keep those to myself for now...

Anyway, If we were created by the "Creator" or "God" some would call him, then could someone please elaborate on who or What may have created the "Creator"?red_heart
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Such an original question - use the search function -
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My opinion is that the Creator is eternal and therefore has always existed. Which means they couldn't have been created.
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You would only ask that question if you believed the creator is separate from the created.
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it will create itself somewhere in the future but its presence are from the very beginning of time
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READ: The Urantia Book and The Emerald Tablet by Thoth the Atlantean (Bibliotecapleyades.net)! We are Spirit manifest! Spirit must from necessity press upon the physical, but whether we express it constructively or destructively or choose to remain in darkness or come into the light is our choice!
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Well, i believe even our galactic brothers and sisters who are not only tech but mainly spirit highly advanced than us are still figuring that out...

But i just convinced myself that All that is is self created.
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My opinion is that the Creator is eternal and therefore has always existed. Which means they couldn't have been created.
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So, God was an Atheist.

Seems I have more in common with your God than you do.
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Re: Who or What created the Creator? Serious Question....
When I was a kid I would constantly question where "We" came from... Well I think I have a few ideas on that but I will keep those to myself for now...

Anyway, If we were created by the "Creator" or "God" some would call him, then could someone please elaborate on who or What may have created the "Creator"?red_heart
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The creator always existed, He created time but is not limited to the laws he wrote...Think of a circle, O, there is no beginning or end to it.
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My opinion is that the Creator is eternal and therefore has always existed. Which means they couldn't have been created.
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So, God was an Atheist.

Seems I have more in common with your God than you do.
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Yes it seems he was.

OP you will never get the answer you are looking for, they will either mock you or answer with a riddle, oh expect tons of copied and pasted bible passages too.
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When I was a kid I would constantly question where "We" came from... Well I think I have a few ideas on that but I will keep those to myself for now...

Anyway, If we were created by the "Creator" or "God" some would call him, then could someone please elaborate on who or What may have created the "Creator"?red_heart
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It´s an oxymoron to ask what was before time and/or space. Got it?
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The creator always existed, He created time but is not limited to the laws he wrote...Think of a circle, O, there is no beginning or end to it.
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Seems like a reasonable answer.
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Re: Who or What created the Creator? Serious Question....
When I was a kid I would constantly question where "We" came from... Well I think I have a few ideas on that but I will keep those to myself for now...

Anyway, If we were created by the "Creator" or "God" some would call him, then could someone please elaborate on who or What may have created the "Creator"?red_heart
 Quoting: Nicolemare


The creator always existed, He created time but is not limited to the laws he wrote...Think of a circle, O, there is no beginning or end to it.
 Quoting: BRIEF


Oh, how your logic is flawed.

God created time? But there was no beginning? If something is created it has beginning.

This supernatural spew is really starting to irritate me.

Anybody who is content with this answer has the mental capacity of an ape; and, therefore, sadly has not evolved.

Because your meek mind cannot not comprehend the creation of space and time you resort to believing in a human-like imaginary figure as the creator of everything.

I could argue this with you until you're completely dumbfounded. Scripture doesn't prove shit.
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Well once upon a time, there was a big bang.


whatever
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Regress. Infinite regress.

The way you religious fanatics attempt to explain the creation of the universe creates more questions than it answers.
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God created time? But there was no beginning? If something is created it has beginning.


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Ahhh, but time isn't the same everywhere.

Is "time" as experienced on Earth the be-all and end-all?

Considering duality, surely timelessness must exist?
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the very question is inappropriate. Because it will always have the same answer.

You ask: who/what CREATED the <creator>?

it doesn't matter how you answer it, be it another creator or KING or ASLDKAJSDKLJA, whatever. The problem is the question/answer mechanism which will do anything to keep things going...
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Re: Who or What created the Creator? Serious Question....
When I was a kid I would constantly question where "We" came from... Well I think I have a few ideas on that but I will keep those to myself for now...

Anyway, If we were created by the "Creator" or "God" some would call him, then could someone please elaborate on who or What may have created the "Creator"?red_heart
 Quoting: Nicolemare


The creator always existed, He created time but is not limited to the laws he wrote...Think of a circle, O, there is no beginning or end to it.
 Quoting: BRIEF


Oh, how your logic is flawed.

God created time? But there was no beginning? If something is created it has beginning.

This supernatural spew is really starting to irritate me.

Anybody who is content with this answer has the mental capacity of an ape; and, therefore, sadly has not evolved.

Because your meek mind cannot not comprehend the creation of space and time you resort to believing in a human-like imaginary figure as the creator of everything.

I could argue this with you until you're completely dumbfounded. Scripture doesn't prove shit.
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We could both argue until we are blue in the face and we will never convince each other to believe differently...
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God created time? But there was no beginning? If something is created it has beginning.


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Ahhh, but time isn't the same everywhere.

Is "time" as experienced on Earth the be-all and end-all?

Considering duality, surely timelessness must exist?
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Time is merely measured differently depending certain elements. In our case, we use the Earth's rotation.

However, time will always be relevant in within this 3 dimensional existence. Time and space are infinitely connected. It is called the time-space continuum.

If you can transcend time without moving through space then you are obviously traveling back in time.
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If you can transcend time ... then you are obviously traveling back in time.
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Oxymoron. Try again.
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Re: Who or What created the Creator? Serious Question....
When I was a kid I would constantly question where "We" came from... Well I think I have a few ideas on that but I will keep those to myself for now...

Anyway, If we were created by the "Creator" or "God" some would call him, then could someone please elaborate on who or What may have created the "Creator"?red_heart
 Quoting: Nicolemare


GOD

There is One who manifests Himself as Love, as Wisdom, and as Truth.

There is One!

And all of Living Nature speaks of this One, of this Great One.

They call Him God, Lord, Father.

It is He who fills everything, all of creation, all worlds, all solar systems, and nevertheless, He is still unrevealed. He cannot reveal Himself completely, even in all eternity. It does not contain all the forms by which He might reveal Himself.

Of Himself, the Absolute, the Unattainable, has no form. He is "nothing" but this "nothing" contains everything within itself.

He limits Himself without becoming limited. He diminishes Himself without being diminished.

He creates and is never exhausted. He reveals Himself in everything but He Himself is not in that which is revealed.

He sustains everything - from within and from without - but He Himself participates in nothing.

We compare Him with Light, Reason - the Logos. But He Himself is neither Light nor Reason.

Light and Reason - these are His manifestations.

God is not present in the world in a material way.

Indeed, when an artist paints a picture, is he in the picture? When a sculptor carves a statue, is he in the statue? The Great Unknown reveals Himself as Light without shadows, as Life without interruption, as Love without change, as Knowledge without errors, Freedom without limitations.

And when we say that God is Love, we understand that Love is one manifestation of God. Therefore, wherever there is Love, wherever there is goodness, which is the fruit of love, there God is revealed.

When we speak of God as Love, we have in mind that Being from whom all life in the universe proceeds and who unites all living souls in one whole without being changed Himself.

There is only one Being in the world who is absolutely good in the true and full meaning of the word and that is God. He is always kind. In His benevolence, God has absolutely no desire to do evil to anyone. If He passes by even the smallest insect, He smiles at it and gives it all the best conditions for life and development.

God judges no one. He restrains no one, He limits no one.

God is most beautiful in that He remembers only the good we have done. The evil He does not remember.

God gives perfect freedom to all beings. Never has He told any being in the universe, no matter how small: "Do this!" or "Serve Me!" He points out the way, but leaves each being free to make his own choice - to do as he thinks best.

Indeed, what does it profit God if we reverence Him and serve Him? Can we give Him knowledge? - No, He knows everything. Can we give Him power? - No, He is all powerful. Everything might pass away, everything might fall apart. He remains unshaken.

The only way in which we can appeal to God is through our helplessness, our misery. When He looks upon us, so small, so miserable, so ignorant, in His greatness there is born a desire to reach out to us and tell us: "Rise up now!"

God's desire is to set us free, to purify us, to enlighten our minds, to ennoble our hearts, to bring into our souls that light by which we come to know that He is Love.

In the heart of God there is something great.

It is He who elevates whole nations as well as separate individuals. All good things come from Him - knowledge, wisdom, truth, freedom. He has elevated all great men. They represent the inspiration of the divine spirit. It is God who wishes to introduce Love, Wisdom, and Truth into the world through these men.

In God's Love, Wisdom and Truth the totality of life throughout eternity is included, as well as the blessing of all souls. Whenever Love, Wisdom and Truth are manifested, the divine Spirit is present among men, and life then is manifested in its real essence.

Man must know that there is only one God and one Love, one Wisdom and one Knowledge, one Truth and one Freedom, one Righteousness and one absolute criterion, one Virtue and one source of good for all.

Except for this criterion there is no other measure of the great reality, and the truly real is only that which belongs to the One, the living God.

However, many people ask: "Does God exist, and if He exists - where is He?"

The entire universe represents the "city of God" where God abides. His consciousness, His mind, is so great that it embraces even the smallest beings and governs their lives.

All angels and all great beings who lived millions of years before us on earth, understand what God is. They stand with holy awe before that great Being from whose heart flows the Love that advances and supports the whole cosmos.

And if you ask them where God is and what He is, they will reply in your own language: "No being is nearer to you than God. No being has a more awakened mind, a more responsive heart, a mightier will. For Him, nothing is impossible. No being is nobler, holier, purer, wiser, mightier, more powerful than God. He is everywhere. He is in heaven - in all the suns, and on earth, behind everything: behind air and water, behind stones and plants, behind animals and man. There is nothing in the world which God does not sustain."

Everything within us and outside us, everything that surrounds us is the background behind which God is hidden as a great artist. He is hidden well because He wants to leave us free.

And because God is so well hidden, men unceasingly search for Him on the surface, and wish to reach Him by external means, to prove His existence.

But God is not a reality that can be proven.

The attempt to prove the existence of God is equivalent to affirming that there is no God. Every proof of the existence of God is a mechanical process.

When a man requires evidence for the existence of God, that shows that he has cut off in his consciousness his connection with Him.

When that connection is restored, life begins to flow unceasingly from God to man, and back from man to God. Then in the mind, in the heart and in the will of man there is a continuous stream of divine consciousness.

Then all those empty and ridiculous questions, whether there is a God, or there is no God, whether God loves us or has forgotten us, are ended.

Our love for God, from which proceeds the living connection between Him and man, is a mystical inner experience which manifests itself in various forms and degrees. The magic power of this experience is hidden in that moment when man directs his mind, his heart, his soul and spirit towards the eternal Beginning, without any hesitation and without any doubt. When this moment arrives, man can accomplish anything. Only then can he understand the meaning of life, because only God can reveal that meaning to him.

Then man will understand that he was born to love God, to imprint his life with that love, and not to be a servant to human conceptions.

Man's soul whispers this softly to him. Because - you must not forget - the only beloved of the human soul is God.

Therefore, I call only him a "man" who has come to love God. The moment in which he is self-determining and loves God, designates him a man. Such a man draws the attention of all good men and they say: "Something divine happened today."

The greatest moment of a man's life is when he comes to love God. That means that he is blossoming and the fragrant aroma will be carried far and wide. It means also that he overflows continuously like a fountain that knows how to give. In this state all reasonable desires of the man can be fulfilled.

Then man becomes truly free. He attains that freedom which Truth brings. And by Truth we mean the link which God established between Himself and us.

There is no other freedom. People of today who have lost almost entirely their link with God, imagine that they can do anything they wish to do: they think that they even have the right to criticize God.

Indeed, no other being has endured greater profanation than God. But He, so to speak, has not even knitted His brows. He looks quiet and peaceful in the radiance of His never changing benevolence.

Only he who lives in that unchangeable, real world where God lives, who serves God and understands His will and His laws, only he is free and only has "free will."

Remember this: The one being who loves us is God. He is one and the same, when we rejoice and when we grieve. In sorrow and in joy, it is God who speaks to us.

Remember also: in order to ask what God is, you must have studied not one but many eternities.

And only after you have acquired all the knowledge of heaven and earth, will you have the right to ask that question. And do you know what answer you will receive? Clearly and simply: "God is Love, which you must experience within yourself."

But before that, while you grope for evidence of the great reality, remember these simple truths: If you ask yourself where God is, know this: wherever there is life, wherever there is thought, wherever there is feeling, there God is.

If you doubt God, you doubt yourself. Because there are no changes or betrayals in God, the reverse cannot be true. There are no exceptions in the Love of God.

Therefore, wherever you go, you may doubt everything, but God - never! Know that He is everywhere, and when you call on Him, He will help you.

When you hear people say that they do not believe in God, observe them attentively and you will find that they consider themselves gods. Do not serve such gods!

Remember also: where there is meaning, God is there. Where there is no meaning, God is absent. And where God is absent, there is "hell."

You might ask: When is man good? At the moment when God manifests Himself in man, he is good. When God is not manifest, man is evil.

When God enters into man, man becomes joyous and ready to perform any service. When man refuses to serve God, God forsakes him.

Do not ask yourself whether God loves you - He has not stopped loving you from the first day to the last - but ask instead whether you love God.

Test your love with the only sure standard: which is stronger within you - your own desires or your love for God? If your love for God is the stronger, you are on the right path. But if your love for God is weaker than your desires, then suffering and misfortune will not cease.

If man has God's love within himself, whatever may happen will turn out for good. If he lacks that love, then his path is long and difficult, and his desires unattainable.

The path toward God is in perfection. The perfect man has only one thought - his advancement toward God! Without perfection God remains incomprehensible for us. By aspiring to perfection, man will come to know God as Love.

Then he will feel the pulse of all living beings on earth. There is no greater bliss for a man than this - to feel this pulse.

Then man will understand the great meaning of these supreme words uttered by Christ: "I live in God and God lives in me."

"I live in God" - this implies that God is "without." "God lives in me" - implies that God is "within" and I, the man, am "without."

Therefore, when God is within you, do not restrict Him. Give Him absolute freedom within you, so that He may also give you absolute freedom within Himself.

"The Devil" is a being which has restricted God within himself, and therefore, God has limited him from outside.

Give absolute freedom to God within you. And then a boundless world will be opened up for you.

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Re: Who or What created the Creator? Serious Question....
When I was a kid I would constantly question where "We" came from... Well I think I have a few ideas on that but I will keep those to myself for now...

Anyway, If we were created by the "Creator" or "God" some would call him, then could someone please elaborate on who or What may have created the "Creator"?red_heart
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there is no elaboration. Even the very highest Sons of God don't have a clue about how consciousness began. There is no one creator, all jointly create the creation. If somebody created you big boss creator, that somebody would be the creator. It just happened.
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When I was a kid I would constantly question where "We" came from... Well I think I have a few ideas on that but I will keep those to myself for now...

Anyway, If we were created by the "Creator" or "God" some would call him, then could someone please elaborate on who or What may have created the "Creator"?red_heart
 Quoting: Nicolemare


The creator always existed, He created time but is not limited to the laws he wrote...Think of a circle, O, there is no beginning or end to it.
 Quoting: BRIEF


Oh, how your logic is flawed.

God created time? But there was no beginning? If something is created it has beginning.

This supernatural spew is really starting to irritate me.

Anybody who is content with this answer has the mental capacity of an ape; and, therefore, sadly has not evolved.

Because your meek mind cannot not comprehend the creation of space and time you resort to believing in a human-like imaginary figure as the creator of everything.

I could argue this with you until you're completely dumbfounded. Scripture doesn't prove shit.
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We could both argue until we are blue in the face and we will never convince each other to believe differently...
 Quoting: BRIEF


I would gladly love to have this argument with you, and I would respect your ideas but you'd need to refrain from only quoting scripture and using that as absolute truth.

If we are going to be arguing about the existence of a God then the burden of proof is bestowed on you.

If you use the argument for the "Uncaused cause" -- well, then the you'd just have negated most religions by saying that we all came from nothing.

The only way this argument could end is by you eventually admitting that nothing was the cause of something. Because for something to exist something would have to have created it. But nothing, on the other hand, doesn't need to be created--but could probably be the cause for something to happen.
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Always existing - never created
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If you can transcend time ... then you are obviously traveling back in time.
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Oxymoron. Try again.
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Seriously. I am almost certain that you just learned a new word but don't quite understand the meaning of it. You are using it completely out of context.
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God created time? But there was no beginning? If something is created it has beginning.


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Ahhh, but time isn't the same everywhere.

Is "time" as experienced on Earth the be-all and end-all?

Considering duality, surely timelessness must exist?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3953604


Time is merely measured differently depending certain elements. In our case, we use the Earth's rotation.

However, time will always be relevant in within this 3 dimensional existence. Time and space are infinitely connected. It is called the time-space continuum.

If you can transcend time without moving through space then you are obviously traveling back in time.
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What if gravity is infinite?
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If you can transcend time ... then you are obviously traveling back in time.
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Oxymoron. Try again.
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Seriously. I am almost certain that you just learned a new word but don't quite understand the meaning of it. You are using it completely out of context.
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Transcending time means "no-time".
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Always existing - never created
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With this argument the only logical way to describe God is Nothingness.

Nothingness doesn't need to be created. If God is something than he needs a cause to be created.

If you are still reluctant on claiming that God was never created (uncreated) then you'd have to admit that God is nothing.
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the creator is existence itself

you can't just make that
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If you can transcend time ... then you are obviously traveling back in time.
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Oxymoron. Try again.
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Seriously. I am almost certain that you just learned a new word but don't quite understand the meaning of it. You are using it completely out of context.
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Transcending time means "no-time".
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no, transcending means encompassing and surpassing
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Always existing - never created
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With this argument the only logical way to describe God is Nothingness.

Nothingness doesn't need to be created. If God is something than he needs a cause to be created.

If you are still reluctant on claiming that God was never created (uncreated) then you'd have to admit that God is nothing.
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you cynics are so simple, it's pathetic

that's all i have to admit after reading your bullshit

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