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Great news. Hope this will effectively help new ways of curing and preventing HIV and AIDS:

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Spanish scientists have identified the molecule the HIV virus uses to spread within an organism, a discovery that will facilitate the creation of new and more effective medicines to slow down the virus' progress, and which represents another step closer to developing a vaccine against the disease.
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By the way, I posted this not just because the scientists are Spanish, I don't care about that. I did it because, obviously, I read Spanish news and I found that. If they were French or Italian or INDIAN or from the US, I would have done the same.
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Great news. Hope this will effectively help new ways of curing and preventing HIV and AIDS:

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Spanish scientists have identified the molecule the HIV virus uses to spread within an organism, a discovery that will facilitate the creation of new and more effective medicines to slow down the virus' progress, and which represents another step closer to developing a vaccine against the disease.
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^^^^^
If only they use the discovery for a cure...hate to be negative but there are scientist that work for many governments that will find a way to make the molecule more lethal.
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I thought the aids virus has yet to be iscolated? More bs?
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Great news. Hope this will effectively help new ways of curing and preventing HIV and AIDS:

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Spanish scientists have identified the molecule the HIV virus uses to spread within an organism, a discovery that will facilitate the creation of new and more effective medicines to slow down the virus' progress, and which represents another step closer to developing a vaccine against the disease.
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If only they use the discovery for a cure...hate to be negative but there are scientist that work for many governments that will find a way to make the molecule more lethal.
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But that's horrible! That didn't even come to my mind... and I'm not saying that's not possible, but heck...
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I thought the aids virus has yet to be iscolated? More bs?
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I don't know much about HIV isolation, but you must read the whole story. This is no BS: identifying this molecule is an important step forward to create new treatments or to enhance current treatments or even vaccines that right now are being tested in clinical trials.
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I thought the aids virus has yet to be iscolated? More bs?
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it is BS. read dr. peter deusberg's work.

the whole thing is a scam.
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Aids is a scam. / thread
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There already is a cure. They won't release it. The cure is simple.
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I thought the aids virus has yet to be iscolated? More bs?
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it is BS. read dr. peter deusberg's work.

the whole thing is a scam.
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I don't get what do you mean? The whole thing?
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There already is a cure. They won't release it. The cure is simple.
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Yeeeeeeees? Please, tell us.
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bump Thanks for the update. Some people believe HIV was created by TPTB for population control.
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To on the Internet and look for a Picture of aids under the microscope, I still yet to see one
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Go on the Internet and look for a Picture of aids under the microscope, I still yet to see one
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bump Thanks for the update. Some people believe HIV was created by TPTB for population control.
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You're welcome. :-)

On the population control, I don't think so, because if TPTB created HIV with that purpose, they would have done better than this.

I honestly believe that it happened, somehow (something natural? a scientific experiment that went wrong?), but a pretty large group within the international scientific community has been doing a lot of research on how to fight this virus since then, and we are seeing the progress in this field. Heck, just a few years back people had to take a lot of pills with awful side effects. Now it's not a joy ride, but it's certainly not as bad as before.
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Go on the Internet and look for a Picture of aids under the microscope, I still yet to see one
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I know what you mean, but you can't find one because there's no possible way to take a picture of a syndrome (AIDS). One thing is HIV (the virus) and another thing is AIDS (the illness caused by HIV).

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HIV is harmless - does not cause the AIDS
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HIV is completely harmless. HIV is a retrovirus.. if HIV does in fact cause AIDS, it would be the first and to date only known retrovirus that causes a fatal, or any serious, disease in man. Humans have a very highly evolved immune system. Retroviruses are super primitive, even by viral standards.. they're basically little more than strands of RNA. To think that a simple little retrovirus could cause such a litany of immunologicaly disorders, esp ones involving the brain (retroviruses cannot cross the blood-brain barrier) stretches the imagination.

What happens when you're infected w/ HIV? You might come down w/ some mild flu-like symptoms for about 3-5 days. Or, you might notice anything at all. In either case, your immune system springs into action and successfully fights off the virus.

Fact: 98% of all AIDS "tests" do not test for the prescence of HIV; they test for the prescence of HIV antibodies. If you catch the common cold, you're going to carry antibodies against that virus for the rest of your life. Same w/ HIV. If you're infected w/ HIV, and you come down w/ the mild flu-like symptoms, your immune system will fight it off, and you'll carry antibodies against HIV for the rest of your life. THAT'S WHAT YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM IS DESIGNED TO DO!! This explains these "miraculous survivors" who are somehow able to live for 10 years, 15 years w/ HIV "infection" and somehow "magically" never develop symptoms of full blown AIDS.

So why do so many people get "sick" w/ AIDS? Post-1984, when Gallo "discovered" HIV as the "cause" of AIDS, the medical establishment has evolved a new way of treating diseases. If you come into the hospital w/ TB, you'll be treated for TB (and probably recover). If you come into the hospital w/ TB, and you test positive for HIV antibodies, suddenly you're an "AIDS" patient.. They'll immediately start on a regime of hard-core AIDS drugs like AZT.. drugs which, for the most part, COMPLETELY DESTROY YOUR IMMUNE SYSTEM. AZT (for example) was developed as chemotherapy against leukemia and other cancers that infect the immune system.. these drugs are, by definition, designed to destroy immune cells.

After a couple weeks/months on the AIDS "treatment", your immune system has been thoroughly weakened, your body has been thoroughly toxified, and suddenly you start developing a whole host of immune-related disorders. After another year or two, you're dead and a statistic.. cause of death: AIDS.

Remember Ryan White? Hemophiliac poster boy for AIDS back in the 1980s? Innocent kid who happened to catch HIV from a blood transfusion and later succumbed to "AIDS"? Congress passed some big federal spending bill for AIDS research in his honor.. guess what? Ryan White didn't die of AIDS. In the first place, hemophiliacs suffer from a general degeneration of their immune system anyway.. that's been documented for centuries, ever since physicians have known about hemophilia.. (hemophilia is after all a blood disease, and immunology is centered in the blood).. secondly, Ryan White died (I think, can't quite remember based on my reading..) from liver complications stemming from one his transfusions.. whatever it was (can't quite remember right now), it certainly wasn't from AIDS-related immune system collapse..

So what gives? What the heck is AIDS? AIDS first surfaced in San Francisco.. gay men suddenly started coming down w/ Kaposi's sacroma, a very rare form of skin cancer usually only seen in patients w/ highly compromised immune systems (like those who have been on chemotherapy, etc). Researchers were at a loss for what to call it.. eventually, HIV was isolated in some of those patients, and so the hypothesis was formed that HIV might be the "cause" of this weakened immune response..

So doctors started testing for HIV more routinely.. soon people from the general population were testing positive for HIV.. and if they happened to have some wierd, rare, disease not usually seen in the general population.. well.. they must have AIDS! Start them on the AZT treatment! Oops! They died already!? AIDS is such a killer! Notice that the biggest risk groups for AIDS, however, ARE people who are going to tend to have comprosed immune systems to start w/: drug addicts, heroin users, hemophiliacs.

As for gay men, guess what? You know those nitrous "poppers" that some people (esp, it seems, gay men) love to take before having sex?? Medical studies have been conducted that suggest a correlation between nitrous "popper" use and an increased risk in developing Kaposi's sacroma. Moreover, many gay men in San Francisco apparently hit antibiotics really hard (for some reason.. not sure why.. I think there might be antibiotics that kinda get you high or something).. abuse of antibiotics is (very well) known to weaken the immune system. So you have a bunch of gay men, abusing prescription drugs, doing nitrous poppers, and coming down w/ a rare cancer.. a cancer that is in no way (probably) related to HIV, and yet somehow the whole "mistake" goes out into the public as a brand new, fearful, terrifying disease we have to watch out for called "AIDS"

There are a whole host of other "medical" issues related to this that I cannot do justice to (like explaining the apparent "communicability" of AIDS, etc, and explaining the other apparent immune-related disorders that seem to be popping up in the population, etc), soo.. I'll defer to Duesberg on those:

www.oralchelation.com...
www.virusmyth.net...
www.virusmyth.net...
www.virusmyth.net...
www.virusmyth.net...
www.virusmyth.net...
www.virusmyth.net...

Now that's the science part. The federal government, for the most part, isn't interested in science, and they wouldn't ban a book just b/c of scientific content...

So why did the Feds ban the book? (something completely unprecendented in the 200-some-odd-year history of the United States)?? Duesberg suggests in his book that the Feds want to cover this up. There are lots of obvious reasons for this.. In the first place, spreading fear and paranoia throughout the general population is a good thing when soulless International Bankers are running your country. They learned this from Orson Well's 1939 reading of "War of the Worlds", and have been using it ever since.

Also, it's good to spend money if you're the federal government. B/c of the nature of the relationship between the federal government and the federal reserve bank, Washington has an obligation to SPEND AS MUCH MONEY AS IT POSSIBLY CAN. The more money Washington spends, the more in debt it goes, the better it is for the overall system. Doesn't matter if you're spending money on war, drugs, poverty, crime, AIDS or cancer. The goal is to spend money. Period. AIDS is a great thing to spend money on.. the Feds don't want to lose that.

The final reason that's been suggested for why the Feds would want to cover it up is far more sinister, and more speculative, but.. also plausible.. and that's the AIDS "crisis" in Africa. In the first place, Duesberg suggests that there is no genuine AIDS crisis in Africa. True, many Africans are infected w/ HIV, but so is much of the general population everywhere on Earth, often w/o knowing it. wehn an African contracts AIDS, he comes down w/ the "Slim" wasting disease.. when a gay man in SF contracts AIDS, he comes down w/ Kaposi's sarcoma.. gay men in SF don't get Slim, and black Africans don't get Kaposi's sacroma.. which suggests that Duesberg that neither disease is related to HIV and that you're dealing w/ two separate pathologies altogether (the African Slim disease probably has a lot more to do w/ complications from malnutrition, in Duesberg's opinion, as well as other co-factors.. there could be a communicable agent responsible, but at best HIV is a co-factor).

But the final suggestion (made in the banned book) is, what of all this news from Africa about how AIDS (or, more accurately, Slim Wasting Disease) is destroying entire villages and cities? Well.. Duesberg suggest, it *could* be Slim that's killing off entire villages and cities.. oor.. more onimously, you could also have U.S.-government-sponsored death squads roaming the African countryside, murdering entire villages and blaming it on "AIDS".. (U.S.-sponsored death squads have murdered tens of thousands in Central America, so it's been known to happen before.. ) The U.S. has standing "depopulation plans" in place for the Third World, the most famous of which is known as NSSM 200 and was drafted by none other than Henry Kissinger himself. The author suggests there may be ongoing de-population activities occurring in Africa right now, using AIDS as a cover..
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why are all those hiv positive hiv denialists featured in HOUSE OF NUMBERS kicking the bucket from aids?
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BULLSHIT hiv is total bullshit aids is caused by illicit drug use and aids drugs

remember WHAT AIDS
ACTUALLY IS

ACCUTE IMMUNE DEFICIENCY AQUIRED BY INNOCENT PEOPLE AT THE HANDS OF MASS MURDERING SCUM
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THE MAN WHO FIRST FOUND THAT SO CALLED VIRUS ADMITTED IN LIVE INTERVIEW
ITS VITUALLY HARMLESS!!!

AND CAN EASILY BE

RECOVERED FROM


IT IS NOTHING AND DOES NOT CAUSE MASSIVE LOOS OF IMMUNITY BUILDING CAPABILITY
WHICH IS AIDS

THAT IS ALL AIDS IS
AN INIBILITY TO KILL ALL KINDS OF GERMS
A FUNCTION THAT EVERYONE HAS GOING ON IN THEM CONTINTUALLY

AIDS CRISIS IS A MANUFCATURED GENOCIDE

USING THOSE WHO ARE WEAK AND THEN GIVING THEM A KILLER COCKTAIL OF DRUGS TO KILL THEM TOTALLY

OR GIVING THEM INFECTED BLOOD TRANFUSIONS WITH GERMS IN IT WHICH WEAKEN ALREADY VULNERABLE SYSTEMS OF PEOPLE WITH WEAK SYSTEMS CAUSED BY HYMOPHYLIA FOR EXAMPLE
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HIV IS HARMLESS AND CAN BE EASILY RECOVERED FROM
ORGIINAL DISCOVERER OF HIV SAYS

Dr. Luc Montagnier. AIDS can be reversed. Nutrition is the answer. Hear it straight from the co-discoverer of HIV.

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AIDS IS CAUSED BY POLLUTION HANDED OUT BY DOCTORS
ITS CALLED AIDS DRUGS
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too bad doctors don't make money from helping people. they get paid to keep them sick
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REMEBER WHAT
AIDS ACTUALLY MEANS


THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN AQUIRE AIDS IS BY CONSTANT HARD DRUGS USE
OR POLLUTED BLOOD TRNAFUSIONS FILLED WITH BLOOD CELL DESTRYING SHIT
WHICH RENDER YOUR IMMUNITY POOWERLESS
IT IS NOT CAUSED BY HIV
WHICH BY THE WAY HAS STILL NOT BE PROVEN TO EXIST IN ANY SCIENTIFICALLY TRUSTWORTHY WAY
WHICH IS THE NORM!

MOST USUALLY THOUGH
AIDS IS CAUSED BY POLLUTION HANDED OUT BY DOCTORS
ITS CALLED AIDS DRUGS
GIVEN TO THOSE WHO ARE LABLLED HIV POSITIIVE

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A NEAT LITTLE TRICK
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