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In Genesis there are TWO Enochs. One fathered by Cain, the other by Jared. And both lines have Lamechs in them. ???

 
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In Genesis there are TWO Enochs. One fathered by Cain, the other by Jared. And both lines have Lamechs in them. ???
they both have Lamechs in their line.

I'm confused.

Which one is which?

Is one a counterfeit?

Gen 4:17-18 - Cain made love to his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch. Cain was then building a city, and he named it after his son Enoch.

18 To Enoch was born Irad, and Irad was the father of Mejujael, and Mehujael was the father of Methushael, and Methushael was the father of LAMECH.

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Gen 5:18-25 - When Jared had lived 162 years, he became the father of Enoch. 19 After he became the father of Enoch, Jared lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters. 20 Altogether, Jared lived a total of 962 years, and then he died.

21 When Enoch had lived 65 years, he became the father of Methuselah. 22 After he became the father of Methuselah, Enoch walked faithfully with God 300 years and had other sons and daughters. 23 Altogether, Enoch lived a total of 365 years. 24 Enoch walked faithfully with God; then he was no more, because God took him away.

25 When Methuselah had lived 187 years, he became the father of LAMECH.
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Re: In Genesis there are TWO Enochs. One fathered by Cain, the other by Jared. And both lines have Lamechs in them. ???
And there are two creations of man
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Re: In Genesis there are TWO Enochs. One fathered by Cain, the other by Jared. And both lines have Lamechs in them. ???
Wow. No two people ever have the same name!
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Wow. No two people ever have the same name!
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if you understood the significance of names and the bloodlines of the patriarchs of that time period, you would understand the point of this thread.
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Re: In Genesis there are TWO Enochs. One fathered by Cain, the other by Jared. And both lines have Lamechs in them. ???
Wow. No two people ever have the same name!
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if you understood the significance of names and the bloodlines of the patriarchs of that time period, you would understand the point of this thread.
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Wow! No two people have the same name!
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Re: In Genesis there are TWO Enochs. One fathered by Cain, the other by Jared. And both lines have Lamechs in them. ???
The bible contains several lists of ancestors, called genealogies. Two basic views concerning these lists include: 1) they are complete, recording the entire history of a family, tribe or nation; or (2) they are not intended to be exhaustive and may include only famous people of the the heads of families. "Became the father or" could refer not just to a son, but also to a more distant descendant.

Why are genealogies included in the bible? The Hebrews passed on their beliefs through oral tradition. For many years in many places, writing was primitive or nonexistent. Stories were told to children who passed them on to their children. Genealogies gave a skeletal outline that helped people remember the stories. For centuries, these genealogies were added to and passed down from family to family.
--Life Application Study Bible 5:11f

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EVEN MORE IMPORTANT than preserving family tradition, genealogies were included to confirm the bloodline of the Messiah.

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Wow. No two people ever have the same name!
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if you understood the significance of names and the bloodlines of the patriarchs of that time period, you would understand the point of this thread.
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Enoch's a seriously interesting character: the Book of Enoch really fascinated me when I read it, as did the Book of Noah and the fragments of the Book of Giants. Was he from the Atlantaean culture or linked with the Annunaki?

I never realised there were two Enochs, or maybe two accounts of his origins. I suspect this comes from the merging of several different texts into the modern text of Genesis: the compilers incorporated the versions together.
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Re: In Genesis there are TWO Enochs. One fathered by Cain, the other by Jared. And both lines have Lamechs in them. ???
And no two people have the same name?
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Re: In Genesis there are TWO Enochs. One fathered by Cain, the other by Jared. And both lines have Lamechs in them. ???
there were multiple lines that came from Adam's line. Some were righteous and some were not.
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And no two people have the same name?
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if they did back then, it was for a significant reason.
that is the point of this thread.
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Re: In Genesis there are TWO Enochs. One fathered by Cain, the other by Jared. And both lines have Lamechs in them. ???
from bibleforum.com:

Who is the Enoch of chapter 4 as this one came from Cain?

Ge 4:17 And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

Then we have the Enoch of chapter 5

Ge 5:19 And Jared lived after he begat Enoch eight hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:

An interesting observation is that both also have a Lamech in their lines and Cain's line ends with Lamech where the one thru Seth then has Noah next. More interesting is then we have the infamous Gen 6 with the demonic indwelling.

My take is that Cain's line is a demonic counterfeit of Seth's as Satan wanting the inheritance. With the possibility that Lamech ends up being a mixture of both lines but then the birth of Noah was of a righteous not corrupted but perfect.

Ge 4:18 And unto Enoch was born Irad: and Irad begat Mehujael: and Mehujael begat Methusael: and Methusael begat Lamech.

Ge 5:25 And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years, and begat Lamech:


Ge 6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
Ge 6:11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
Ge 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
Ge 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.

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Re: In Genesis there are TWO Enochs. One fathered by Cain, the other by Jared. And both lines have Lamechs in them. ???
in other words, the Enoch from Jared was the one that walked with God, was ascended to Heaven (not by dying but by being taken there) and was given the great mysteries to be passed down to following generations of his line. Lamech of this line was the father of Noah who was righteous in God's eyes.

Nothing further is mentioned from the Enoch of Cain's line.
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Re: In Genesis there are TWO Enochs. One fathered by Cain, the other by Jared. And both lines have Lamechs in them. ???
just found this

Thread: BIBLE SCHOLARS: Why are there 2 different geneologies for Enoch in the Old Testament?
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Re: In Genesis there are TWO Enochs. One fathered by Cain, the other by Jared. And both lines have Lamechs in them. ???
bump for a pulse
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I think your gonna love this bible site. The guy's brilliant and it's right up your alley - just overlook the hokey music.hf

[link to www.cswnet.com]
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I think your gonna love this bible site. The guy's brilliant and it's right up your alley - just overlook the hokey music.hf

[link to www.cswnet.com]
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reading now, thanks.
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Re: In Genesis there are TWO Enochs. One fathered by Cain, the other by Jared. And both lines have Lamechs in them. ???
I think your gonna love this bible site. The guy's brilliant and it's right up your alley - just overlook the hokey music.hf

[link to www.cswnet.com]
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from your link:

Sixty-six generations from Adam to Jesus, and sixty-six books in the Bible, because Jesus really is the Word of God who came in the flesh. Is that like finding hidden gold?

The 3 periods of 14 generations, Matthew 1:17, inspire some to a partial arithmetic solution of forty-two (42) generations, but fails to consider the skipped names in Solomon's column or the nineteen names leading to Abraham. It is this reckoning which leads to a new, more significant, solution of 2 periods of 33 names instead of the 3 periods of 14.

One of the stumbling blocks is that the Joseph in Matthew 1:16 cannot be Mary's husband (or they'd be in the same generation) -- that Joseph must be her father instead. Besides, having her husband in the genealogy of Jesus would seem to belie Jesus' true father. The Aramaic text uses the word "gavra" (mighty man: not necessarily a husband)) for the "husband" of Mary.
The father of Mary's husband was Heli (Luke3:23), but the Joseph#64 in Matthew 1:16 had a father named Jacob. Mystery solved, because these two Joseph's cannot be the same!
Matt 1:16 KJV "And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ". The word 'husband' is the Greek word: aner - Strong's g435 and informs us that in the KJV Bible, this word is translated "man" 156 times, husband 50 times, sir 6 times, and fellow: once. Is it really changing the truth so much to believe that this word "aner" was actually speaking of Mary's Father instead of her husband? But of course I could understand the translators problem..



There's more! The Joseph in Egypt was not in the pedigree of Christ, and neither is the Joseph husband of Mary, because Jesus really is the Son of God! Because you may not have heard this before, it may be difficult to digest.(A truth hard to swallow). I've found it helpful to realize that the Blessed Virgin had a husband and a father with the same name. Just as we do! You don't often (ever?) hear about it, but Isaiah 54:5 confirms that our Heavenly Father is also a heavenly husband! (Compare to 2Cor11:2 --in the New Covenant he's a bridegroom!).
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Re: In Genesis there are TWO Enochs. One fathered by Cain, the other by Jared. And both lines have Lamechs in them. ???
All the generations from Adam to David are thirty-three (33), and all the generations from Solomon to Jesus are 33. [Compare the symmetry logic with Matthew 1:17].
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Re: In Genesis there are TWO Enochs. One fathered by Cain, the other by Jared. And both lines have Lamechs in them. ???
One of many examples that shows the inaccuracies in the bible.
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One of many examples that shows the inaccuracies in the bible.
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people do not realize that the OT is a series of 39 books written over a span of 1000 years by numerous Hebrew authors starting with oral tradition. there are 17 historical record books, 16 prophetical books, and 6 poetical books. they all line up to one accord.

there were TWO Enochs. not inaccurate at all. i am just wondering why the name was used twice. names had serious meanings then.
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Re: In Genesis there are TWO Enochs. One fathered by Cain, the other by Jared. And both lines have Lamechs in them. ???
Clearly the two Enoch's and two lamechs were all different people, not that confusing..
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Re: In Genesis there are TWO Enochs. One fathered by Cain, the other by Jared. And both lines have Lamechs in them. ???
The names have a prophetic significance - when read in order, they form a sentence speaking of the coming Deliverer.

Both groups (Seth's and Cain's) wanted the Deliverer to come from their lineage, so they both used the same naming formula.
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Re: In Genesis there are TWO Enochs. One fathered by Cain, the other by Jared. And both lines have Lamechs in them. ???
So...

You haven't heard that Jews have a loooonnnnggg standing tradition of naming their children after dead relatives?

It still goes on today.

I swear.

You must know at least one Jew.

Ask him/her.

The tradition started at the beginning.

That's why it is a tradition today.

They were both Enochs. They were both Lamechs.

Enoch I was third generation. Enoch II was of the seventh generation.

And so on.

The texts are pretty clear.
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Re: In Genesis there are TWO Enochs. One fathered by Cain, the other by Jared. And both lines have Lamechs in them. ???
Cain is not Adams son. His father is satan. Eve screwed satan in the garden. Adam screwed satan and this is where homosexuals came in.
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Cain is not Adams son. His father is satan. Eve screwed satan in the garden. Adam screwed satan and this is where homosexuals came in.
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Also if you will please not cain is not in adams genealogy.
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Cain is not Adams son. His father is satan. Eve screwed satan in the garden. Adam screwed satan and this is where homosexuals came in.
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Also if you will please not cain is not in adams genealogy.
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sorry should have been "note" not "not"
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Re: In Genesis there are TWO Enochs. One fathered by Cain, the other by Jared. And both lines have Lamechs in them. ???
You need to dig a lil deeper and find the truth.

There are 2 Gods in the bible.

The true God and Satan who is called The LORD!

Jews of today are NOT people of Judah. They are people of CAIN. Thats why Jesus said your are synagogue of Satan and your father was a liar and a murderer since beginning.

They are NOT jews but Cainnites. Their LORD in the Torah and their Talmud is Cain's real father, Samuel aka Satan.

So there are 2 bloodlines in this world. Blood of the true God who created Adam and Samuel whose son was Cain and Cainnites who to decieve the entire world, have started calling themselves Jews, the chosen people of God.

Dig deeper.

The real Jews are Palestinians who have been attacked by the Cainnites since 1948.

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Maybe Enoch had two fathers like that special kids book....

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Cain is not Adams son. His father is satan. Eve screwed satan in the garden. Adam screwed satan and this is where homosexuals came in.
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Finally, someone who get its! banana2

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