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Why Being Filthy Rich is Bad for You (and the rest of us)

 
Grimsun (OP)

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I mostly disagree with you because I believe in free enterprise.
You use the word usury to mean any money loaned for interest or invested money that interest is earned on. That definition isn't really used anymore and the term usury now means interest that is exorbitant. The only time exorbitant interest is charged is usually when people don't pay off their credit cards or bank loans or they deal with loan sharks.

The problem with calling interest charged on loans or earned on investments usury is that there is a need for people to borrow money and someone has to provide that service. No one is going to do that for free. Would you loan money to a stranger for free? How can they be sure people will pay them back? A lot of people don't. They can't stay in business by handing out money for free, so they charge interest.

Why shouldn't people who earn and invest money earn money from the investments?
Whether you consider this arrangement moral or not, that is the way it works unless you live in a socialist country where everybody shares the wealth.

Why would any bank or credit card company loan you money for free? So it's just as much the fault of the person who goes out and buys things they can't afford and doesn't keep their bills paid up as it is the credit card companies for compounding interest on unpaid charges. The whole point is the convenience of buying now and paying later. That's what they are selling. People can choose to not use credit or they can pay their bills on time to avoid paying high interest.

Also, I disagree with the idea that it's usury to live off interest earned from investments. Companies need money from investors, so why wouldn't they pay their investors dividends?
If someone works for the money (or yes, even inherits it from someone else who worked for it) and saves and invests it, what is wrong with not having to work anymore? Yes, it is okay to think your "imaginary fiat" money entitles you to more than someone who doesn't have any money. That's the way a capitalist country works. You make the money, you get to keep it and enjoy all the perks that come with it.

Having said that I do agree with the point that there is a ruling class that is grossly overpaid. Examples: sports figures, movie actors and singers. But...the public is willing to pay the price to see them and that's how capitalism works. If you feel that way then you could boycott movies and sports events and refuse to be part of that - but you know most people aren't going to do that.

If you give the people what they want they will pay for it. That's how people get rich. If someone owns a successful company that makes millions then they are entitled to keep their profits. I don't like the fact that CEOs and upper executives get paid ridiculously high salaries, but if the owners are willing to pay them that then that's their business because they think they are worth it. People are paid for having skills that businesses want. If they don't have those skills, then they are going to have low paying jobs.

Maybe the real problem is that there has been too much effort to make everybody equal (as in middle class). First you needed a college degree to get a decent job, now you can't even get a job with a degree. You need an associates degree just to get a janitor job now. Why did we send all these people to college on govt. loans so that they would be overqualified to do service jobs? Somebody has to do those jobs.

Why did the govt. push bankers to give house loans to people who couldn't afford them and who eventually defaulted?

I agree the factory jobs shouldn't have all been sent overseas. The companies wanted cheaper labor and that was greedy and disloyal to this country.
I don't think you can blame rich people for being rich because if we buy their products and services then we are all part of the game.
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Well your belief in a fiat system is the only thing that gives it value, since it has none inherently. This is my point, and it's more of a philosophical point than an economic or political one. Usury is not just exorbitant interest, it's any loan given to make profit. It's especially bad when it's the rich collecting usury from the poor. Since our whole system hinges on usury, it's impossible to just simply 'not take a loan' out. Almost every time you exchange money for goods in our current system, someone somewhere is making usury.

This has nothing to do with blaming the rich for our problems or because we are poor. It has to do with the desire to work, earn an honest living and not be taken advantage of by people who have the upper hand. The idea that your only choices are usury or socialism is a falsehood.

I agree that it's not about having money or being wealthy, but how you earn your money and who you hurt in the process that makes it a problem. Usury harms the people at the bottom of the system.
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There is no crime in banks lending money. If they say "I will loan you $100,000 if you pay me back $110,000 over a 30 yr period". This is totally legitimate if it is your business...(actually, I need to think about this one. It could actually be ursury still?) It is the charging of interest at compounding rates that 'entraps' people and makes them slaves to the lender. That plus the fact that we live in a system that DEMANDS you participate or if you don't you are placed in the 'loser' class. If you are in the 'loser' class this, in thier minds, gives them a right to steal from you. So society becomes run with a 'gang' mentality where you must participate in the madness and participate in robbing the 'loser' class. If you don't participate then they just toss you into the 'loser' class.

I know this personally. I found a way out. I bought a small liveaboard sailboat and owned it outright, just me and the dog. Never felt so free in my life. I just paid a $300 docking fee a month and I was set. If I didn't even have that, oh well, I just anchored out in an anchorage and would dingy to shore and back, $0.

What happened? Eventually, after being chased off from place after place for NO valid legal reason, the COPS eventually STOLE MY BOAT... PIRACY... THE COPS
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Wow, that's what you get for trying to live an alternative way? More evidence of a strong resistance to anything that challenges the status quo of indentured servitude.

I am intrigued by your living on a sailboat. That sounds like heaven and i applaud you for have having the cojones to do something like that. It takes a lot more effort to be free than to be a slave in todays world.
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bump for usury awareness!
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shorter


no matter how rich 'you' are

STILL IN AFRICA(and many other places) CHILDREN DYING....

EVERY MINUTE OR SO... fair? clear enough>? O_O

that's why IS NO GOOD

Last Edited by WuDStefoto on 04/26/2012 11:00 AM
These dayz through THA REAL RAP (element of hip-hop)
-> (THERE iS NO REAL RAP ON TV or RADiOs) <-
is the only way youths listen to
the Prophets !!!


PROOF -> CAN YOU CATCH iT???

[link to www.youtube.com]

rememba: FEAR iS THA MiND-KiLLAH

LiGHT = iNFORMATiON ;D

peace2daUNIVERSE
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no matter how rich 'you' are

STILL IN AFRICA(and many other places) CHILDREN DYING....

EVERY MINUTE OR SO... fair? clear enough>? O_O

that's why IS NO GOOD
 Quoting: WuDStefoto


Apparently they just didn't try hard enough.. What happens if famine comes to 'civilized' countries?
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Why doesn't this get pinned?
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shorter


no matter how rich 'you' are

STILL IN AFRICA(and many other places) CHILDREN DYING....

EVERY MINUTE OR SO... fair? clear enough>? O_O

that's why IS NO GOOD
 Quoting: WuDStefoto


Apparently they just didn't try hard enough.. What happens if famine comes to 'civilized' countries?
 Quoting: Grimsun


it crawls slowly ..

its not ''if'' - IT IS HERE, thing is -

people havent realized HOW BAD GMO is

and GMO is the way they ''support'' this economy..

its hallucination - its dead long time ago..

like the dollar and the EURO..


But I HAVE AN ANSWER

to your question ;DD

its more ancient than any hu-man..

Thread: Sun gazing - Calling only spiritual GLPers

try start practicing this ASAP - there's not much time..

O_O

ONE LOVE
These dayz through THA REAL RAP (element of hip-hop)
-> (THERE iS NO REAL RAP ON TV or RADiOs) <-
is the only way youths listen to
the Prophets !!!


PROOF -> CAN YOU CATCH iT???

[link to www.youtube.com]

rememba: FEAR iS THA MiND-KiLLAH

LiGHT = iNFORMATiON ;D

peace2daUNIVERSE
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Why doesn't this get pinned?
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hf

Those who want truth will accept it no matter if they like the answer or not. As for those who don't....
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shorter


no matter how rich 'you' are

STILL IN AFRICA(and many other places) CHILDREN DYING....

EVERY MINUTE OR SO... fair? clear enough>? O_O

that's why IS NO GOOD
 Quoting: WuDStefoto


Apparently they just didn't try hard enough.. What happens if famine comes to 'civilized' countries?
 Quoting: Grimsun


it crawls slowly ..

its not ''if'' - IT IS HERE, thing is -

people havent realized HOW BAD GMO is

and GMO is the way they ''support'' this economy..

its hallucination - its dead long time ago..

like the dollar and the EURO..


But I HAVE AN ANSWER

to your question ;DD

its more ancient than any hu-man..

Thread: Sun gazing - Calling only spiritual GLPers

try start practicing this ASAP - there's not much time..

O_O

ONE LOVE
 Quoting: WuDStefoto


Very intriguing WuDStefoto on the sun gazing. I will need to look into that more.

hf

As for the famine, another two summers like the last one in the American Midwest and we are in serious trouble. Many westerners think famine is only a third world problem. Anyone remember the dust bowl from American history? It was bad. Real bad.

Does anyone believe if we were forced to ration our resources to survive that the noble class would suffer with us? Would they deserve more? In our current system they already call the shots, control the food distribution (big agriculture), the medicine (big pharm), the water (privatizing), the fuel (big oil), the shelter (banking/real estate)... What's left?

It's a winner takes all game we are playing folks and the gap between haves and have nots is widening. In a real world crisis it will change real quick into "screw you i got mine" and "your poorness is a mental illness"..

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“Remove the heavy yoke of oppression. Stop pointing your finger and spreading vicious rumors! Feed the hungry, and help those in trouble. Then your light will shine out from the darkness, and the darkness around you will be as bright as noon. The LORD will guide you continually, giving you water when you are dry and restoring your strength. You will be like a well-watered garden, like an ever-flowing spring. Some of you will rebuild the deserted ruins of your cities.
Then you will be known as a rebuilder of walls and a restorer of homes."

The Prophet Isaiah

Couldn't be more clear. Stop preaching and defending the usury system. Stop spreading lies about capitalism and free market being the one true way. Stop preaching survival of the fittest, this isn't the animal kingdom. Social darwinism is a lie.
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SPREAD THAT WITH THE SUN

THAT IS - WHAT IS

FREEING HU-MANITY - even each second of the day/night

somebody is doing it - and its good and a positive thing

THIS ^ is a part of THE HIDDEN KNOWLEDGE...

cuz - its obvious much knowledge is '''lost'''' O_O

its not lost

but with it we will realize

THAT WE DONT NEED SUPERMARKETS

AND NO FOOD AT ALL ^^

but this two lines - are part of knowledge

who is hidden since HUNDRED OF CENTURIES .. lmao

The SunGazing and many other things.. lost no, but hidden..
they DONT share info - thats what it gots us... ;/

Last Edited by WuDStefoto on 04/26/2012 08:05 PM
These dayz through THA REAL RAP (element of hip-hop)
-> (THERE iS NO REAL RAP ON TV or RADiOs) <-
is the only way youths listen to
the Prophets !!!


PROOF -> CAN YOU CATCH iT???

[link to www.youtube.com]

rememba: FEAR iS THA MiND-KiLLAH

LiGHT = iNFORMATiON ;D

peace2daUNIVERSE
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Usury went from being an abominable sin to being allowable in certain situations, to being totally accepted, to having it's meaning changed and removed from the modern lexicon almost entirely. Now they tell you it's necessary for the market to function and it's required that you participate in one way or another. Look at where that road took us...
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Usury went from being an abominable sin to being allowable in certain situations, to being totally accepted, to having it's meaning changed and removed from the modern lexicon almost entirely. Now they tell you it's necessary for the market to function and it's required that you participate in one way or another. Look at where that road took us...
 Quoting: Grimsun


word up !!! ;D

instead of

arguing about

''people'' that you DO NOT KNOW

you have NO IDEA what they want

AND REALLY NO PERCEPTION WHO THEY REALLY ARE


still you argue over ''THEM"" .. hahaa

GET SOME USEFUL ''things'' for YOURSELF

and get some energy - its better !!!


These dayz through THA REAL RAP (element of hip-hop)
-> (THERE iS NO REAL RAP ON TV or RADiOs) <-
is the only way youths listen to
the Prophets !!!


PROOF -> CAN YOU CATCH iT???

[link to www.youtube.com]

rememba: FEAR iS THA MiND-KiLLAH

LiGHT = iNFORMATiON ;D

peace2daUNIVERSE
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So OP, everyone should be a slave to the government and never, ever retire and enjoy life?
Maybe we can all receive government housing, with three families to an apartment.
You're fucking delusional.
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You just probably want all the money for yourself and thus keep telling others they should not try it.
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I like this thread very much.

Money isn't the problem. It's how it's used (Or not used)that creates problems. As a poster said earliet "it's the intention".
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I have a simple solution, don't borrow money. I pay zero interest because i only buy what i can pay for with cash. It's a stress free life.
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You make an excellent point, OP!
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So...how much is too much?
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I read the first few sentences and realized this was bullshit. Seems to be alot of that around these days. I wonder if its because some people cannot handle the imminent end of their world...

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i like being rich,you would to if you were.5a
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i like being rich,you would to if you were.5a
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o yea

especially with the KNWOLEDGE

this papers & '''precious'' metals MEANS NOTHING but slavery hahahahaa bye-bye
These dayz through THA REAL RAP (element of hip-hop)
-> (THERE iS NO REAL RAP ON TV or RADiOs) <-
is the only way youths listen to
the Prophets !!!


PROOF -> CAN YOU CATCH iT???

[link to www.youtube.com]

rememba: FEAR iS THA MiND-KiLLAH

LiGHT = iNFORMATiON ;D

peace2daUNIVERSE
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I have to disagree with you. If I work hard and EARN the money I make, who are you to tell me what I can do with the money. Thats what the American dream is all about. There are assholes rich and poor.
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I have to disagree with you. If I work hard and EARN the money I make, who are you to tell me what I can do with the money. Thats what the American dream is all about. There are assholes rich and poor.
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You apparently have totally misunderstood the thread subject, that "ursury" is a great sin that destroys a nation.

You conveniently cast aspersions on the poor, claiming that "oh, they are just lazy and want a handout" yada yada yada, and you cannot even address the subject with a brain.

How could you? It would mean facing the truth. The truth that what you turn into, the end product of you "path to happyness"= murder. You MUST come to the conclusions that you do to justify what your next move must be to maintain you wealth...murder.

Once you drain your "victims" and you either must now feed them out of your own pocket...since you KNOW they cannot feed themselves anymore, you admittedly TOOK everything they have...you "WON", remember?...now you see these "losers" as a threat, so you, instead of helping the poor, must set forth do do away with them...hey they are no good to you anymore and can only be costing you money, right? Them living and consuming is going to take away from your "happyness"...this is why ursery is WICKED to the core. It drives the practicers of it eventually to murder the poor.

It is all foretold in the Scriptures. This is why the rich have no use for God and his Word. It is a testimony against them. History shows this is true.

This is why you cannot even speak with any intelligence anymore. You are done. You eventually must go into your "animalistic" mode. You eventually "go ape", Mr. Rich.
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I could handle being filthy rich.

I'd spread the joy around like a cash sprinkler.
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I could handle being filthy rich.

I'd spread the joy around like a cash sprinkler.
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Why not start now? :)
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I have to disagree with you. If I work hard and EARN the money I make, who are you to tell me what I can do with the money. Thats what the American dream is all about. There are assholes rich and poor.
 Quoting: AtheistRepublican


You apparently have totally misunderstood the thread subject, that "ursury" is a great sin that destroys a nation.

You conveniently cast aspersions on the poor, claiming that "oh, they are just lazy and want a handout" yada yada yada, and you cannot even address the subject with a brain.

How could you? It would mean facing the truth. The truth that what you turn into, the end product of you "path to happyness"= murder. You MUST come to the conclusions that you do to justify what your next move must be to maintain you wealth...murder.

Once you drain your "victims" and you either must now feed them out of your own pocket...since you KNOW they cannot feed themselves anymore, you admittedly TOOK everything they have...you "WON", remember?...now you see these "losers" as a threat, so you, instead of helping the poor, must set forth do do away with them...hey they are no good to you anymore and can only be costing you money, right? Them living and consuming is going to take away from your "happyness"...this is why ursery is WICKED to the core. It drives the practicers of it eventually to murder the poor.

It is all foretold in the Scriptures. This is why the rich have no use for God and his Word. It is a testimony against them. History shows this is true.

This is why you cannot even speak with any intelligence anymore. You are done. You eventually must go into your "animalistic" mode. You eventually "go ape", Mr. Rich.
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I could handle being filthy rich.

I'd spread the joy around like a cash sprinkler.
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How long do you think you would get away with it though?

That is what Michael Jackson attempted and look what happened to him.
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I have to disagree with you. If I work hard and EARN the money I make, who are you to tell me what I can do with the money. Thats what the American dream is all about. There are assholes rich and poor.
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You apparently have totally misunderstood the thread subject, that "ursury" is a great sin that destroys a nation.

You conveniently cast aspersions on the poor, claiming that "oh, they are just lazy and want a handout" yada yada yada, and you cannot even address the subject with a brain.

How could you? It would mean facing the truth. The truth that what you turn into, the end product of you "path to happyness"= murder. You MUST come to the conclusions that you do to justify what your next move must be to maintain you wealth...murder.

Once you drain your "victims" and you either must now feed them out of your own pocket...since you KNOW they cannot feed themselves anymore, you admittedly TOOK everything they have...you "WON", remember?...now you see these "losers" as a threat, so you, instead of helping the poor, must set forth do do away with them...hey they are no good to you anymore and can only be costing you money, right? Them living and consuming is going to take away from your "happyness"...this is why ursery is WICKED to the core. It drives the practicers of it eventually to murder the poor.

It is all foretold in the Scriptures. This is why the rich have no use for God and his Word. It is a testimony against them. History shows this is true.

This is why you cannot even speak with any intelligence anymore. You are done. You eventually must go into your "animalistic" mode. You eventually "go ape", Mr. Rich.
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I didn't misunderstand anything. I just don't agree and your arguement is the bible? REALLY? Go pray for peace but we all know how that is going to work out. IT WON'T.
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