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26 Years ago Chernobyl exploded (04.26.86)

 
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26 Years ago Chernobyl exploded (04.26.86)
Where have you been?
What have you done?
What happened?


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Re: 26 Years ago Chernobyl exploded (04.26.86)
In the first day we knew nothing,
as far as i remember the first News came 3 Days later
which must be 28-29 Of April from Sweden
who measured a wave of Radiation.
The initial evidence that a major release of radioactive material was affecting other countries came not from Soviet sources, but from Sweden, where on the morning of 28 April[81] workers at the Forsmark Nuclear Power Plant (approximately 1,100 km (680 mi) from the Chernobyl site) were found to have radioactive particles on their clothes.[82]
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

At this Time Swim was living in Amsterdam
and visited the University,
the News circled around very fast!

It was a crazy Time with Demonstrations against
the Nuclear Plants and the Nuclear Holocaust
on the hight of the Cold War,
the People was very active,
also the People learned already how to fight back!

Itar-Tass confirmed a "Nuclear Accident" on the 04.30.86
with only a few Words and didn't changed this in the next Weeks!

The Cloud hit us around the second Week of May!

Mankind to remember Chernobyl tragedy
Fallout of 190 tonnes of radioactive substances was one of the consequences of the nuclear accident in Soviet Ukraine. Eight out of 140 tonnes of the fuel from the exploded reactor had erupted into the air. People at Chernobyl were exposed to radiation 90 times stronger than that after the bombing of Hiroshima, and an area of 160,000 square kilometres was contaminated with radiation.
[link to www.itar-tass.com]



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Re: 26 Years ago Chernobyl exploded (04.26.86)
Dispersion and Deposition of Chernobyl Fallout
During the 10 day period of maximum releases from Chernobyl, volatile radionuclides were continuously discharged and dispersed across many parts of Europe and later the entire northern hemisphere. For example, relatively high fallout concentrations were measured at Hiroshima in Japan, over 8,000 km from Chernobyl.

Rainfall resulted in markedly heterogeneous depositions of fallout throughout Europe and the northern hemisphere. Most ejected fuel was deposited in areas near the reactor with wide variations in deposition density, although some fuel hot particles were transported thousands of kilometres. The largest concentrations of volatile nuclides and fuel particles occurred in Belarus, Russia and Ukraine. But more than half of the total quantity of Chernobyl’s volatile inventory was deposited outside these countries.

Extensive surveying of Chernobyl’s caesium-137 contamination was carried out in the 1990s under the auspices of the European Commission. The results indicate that about 3,900,000 km2 of Europe was contaminated by caesium-137 (above 4,000 Bq/m2) which is 40% of the surface area of Europe. Curiously, this latter figure does not appear to have been published and, certainly has never reached the public’s consciousness in Europe.

Of the total contaminated area, 218,000 km2 or about 2.3% of Europe’s surface area has been contaminated to higher levels (greater than 40,000 Bq/m2 caesium-1375). This is the area cited by IAEA/WHO and UNSCEAR, which shows that they have been remarkably selective in their reporting.

In terms of surface area, Belarus and Austria were most affected by higher levels of contamination However, other countries were seriously affected; for example, more than 5% of Ukraine, Finland and Sweden were contaminated to high levels (> 40,000 Bq/m2 caesium-137). More than 80% of Moldova, the European part of Turkey, Slovenia, Switzerland, Austria and the Slovak Republic were contaminated to lower levels (> 4,000 Bq/m2 caesium-137). 44% of Germany and 34% of the UK were similarly affected.

In terms of total deposition of caesium-137, Russia, Belarus and Ukraine received the highest amounts of fallout while former Yugoslavia, Finland, Sweden, Bulgaria, Norway, Rumania, Germany, Austria and Poland each received more than one petabecquerel (1015 Bq or one million billion becquerels) of caesium-137, a very large amount of radioactivity.6

In summary, the main conclusions of the Report are

about 30,000 to 60,000 excess cancer deaths are predicted, 7 to 15 times greater than IAEA/WHO’s published estimate of 4,000
predictions of excess cancer deaths strongly depend on the risk factor used
predicted excess cases of thyroid cancer range between 18,000 and 66,000 depending on the risk projection model
other solid cancers with long latency periods are beginning to appear 20 years after the accident
Belarus, Ukraine and Russia were heavily contaminated, but more than half of Chernobyl’s fallout was deposited outside these countries
fallout from Chernobyl contaminated about 40% of Europe’s surface area
collective dose is estimated to be about 600,000 person Sv, more than 10 times greater than official estimates
about 2/3rds of Chernobyl’s collective dose was distributed to populations outside Belarus, Ukraine and Russia, especially to western Europe
Caesium-137 released from Chernobyl is estimated to be about a third higher than official estimates

[link to www.chernobylreport.org]

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good post 5stars
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Re: 26 Years ago Chernobyl exploded (04.26.86)
good post 5stars
 Quoting: 12.21.12


So?

Where have you been and what have you done?

Not born?

The first year after this Accident was really crazy,
i moved with ca. 500 People in a Trek
to the south of Portugal because it was unharmed!

The whole Vally's was occupied by People from
whole Western Europe
(in that time the People from the East couln't travel,
they needed to stay behind the Iron Curtain)
and more and more People came from Austria,
Germany, Sweden, Denmark, mostly from the North!

I think that i read that more than 50.000 People moved
to the south of Spain and Portugal,
but not all in that way like we have done it
with Tents or Caravans!

It looked like a Mad Max Movie!
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Re: 26 Years ago Chernobyl exploded (04.26.86)
In my Opinion the best of all Chernobyl Documentary


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Re: 26 Years ago Chernobyl exploded (04.26.86)
I saw a documentry about the incident on TV last night. It is ironic that the radiation spreads by wind and rain over a large distance. I have a holiday home 35kms from Pripiyat where the station is and there is no radiation near the village.Farms in Wales were closed because of contamination.
I would like to see ALL these stations closed as too much risk from accidents.
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Re: 26 Years ago Chernobyl exploded (04.26.86)
Here ya go........





I must say the song is a perfect fit for the vid.
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I saw a documentry about the incident on TV last night. It is ironic that the radiation spreads by wind and rain over a large distance. I have a holiday home 35kms from Pripiyat where the station is and there is no radiation near the village.Farms in Wales were closed because of contamination.
I would like to see ALL these stations closed as too much risk from accidents.
 Quoting: Chippey


@ Chippey-San,

how old are you (roundabout)?
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Re: 26 Years ago Chernobyl exploded (04.26.86)
can you see it?

26 Years ago Chernobyl exploded (04.26.86) realdamned
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Re: 26 Years ago Chernobyl exploded (04.26.86)
Great thread! Hers's another of your best.

Thread: "Stop Comparing Fukushima to Chernobyl"
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can you see it?

26 Years ago Chernobyl exploded (04.26.86) realdamned
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Get better: 2+6+4+8+6 is 26 too!

Great thread! Hers's another of your best.

Thread: "Stop Comparing Fukushima to Chernobyl"
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Whats wrong,
please articulate yourself
or are you Trolling as usual?

I still thing that posted Article is right
but you are free to give us better Material-
we may change our Opinion!

I will wait for it popcorn
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Re: 26 Years ago Chernobyl exploded (04.26.86)
Atom boy, this is a good thread. It's a nice change. Maybe you should focus on talking about Chernobyl instead of Fukushima, you seem to be better at it.

I will answer your question the way you answered mine about which prefecture you are in, the other day: "What would change if you knew! Nothing! [insert hair-blowing icon here]." I hope you understand my point in doing so.

I have a new question, and I hope I get a different answer this time. Most people who have lived through Chernobyl realized how much they had be lied to after the fact and are very quick to react to Fukushima, realizing it's the same old story all over again. Or, as it is referred to in the mainstream media, "Chernobyl victims are radiophobic now." (sigh.)

Many of us on GLP see you as a TEPCO apologist, (pretending to be) naive about the disaster... but if you have been through it before, this is a very unusual reaction. Can you share your thoughts on what has made you react differently than the majority of Chernobyl survivors?
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I have a new question, and I hope I get a different answer this time. Most people who have lived through Chernobyl realized how much they had be lied to after the fact and are very quick to react to Fukushima, realizing it's the same old story all over again. Or, as it is referred to in the mainstream media, "Chernobyl victims are radiophobic now." (sigh.)

Many of us on GLP see you as a TEPCO apologist, (pretending to be) naive about the disaster... but if you have been through it before, this is a very unusual reaction. Can you share your thoughts on what has made you react differently than the majority of Chernobyl survivors?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14734336


Sorry, i needed to work a bit!

The Accident in Chernobyl and our/my Reaction
must be seen in a context with the '80,
the Cold War, Governmental Repression, Nuclear Bombs
and Pershing Rockets, the Iron Curtain,
with huge Demonstrations against
the stupidity of the US and USSR,
with daily Streetfights against the Police in our Streets
and the huge Outsourcing of Employers in a magnificent Scale!

The Accident in Chernobyl was "the grande Finale"
and many People said a honest Fuck Off to the
Western Society, other started to do Hard Drugs like Heroin
and a few ended their Life more radical!

What we learned from the Accident in Chernobyl
was nearly nothing,
in that Days we had not even Cable Television
and the only News we got was filtered in a massive Scale!

So we had only our Professors
who could give us a bit of Advise
about the Circumstances in Chernobyl,
and we needed to read a lot of Books.

Fukushima is different,
we are older and more calm/ tame
we (the Vox) know much, much more about the Danger of Radiation
and the Disaster is shown in a 24/7 Reportage, Live.

In the last Year more than 2,5 Million Articles was written
as well as a few hundred (afaik 750) Studies are published!
We have access to hundreds of Hours of Video-Material
and we have the Right to say what we want,
this was not always granted!

Tepco it self is just a Name, a Synonym and Symptom
but not the origin of the Disease,
the Disease is hidden in our Society!

The Name "Tepco" is and will be exchangeable
and soon no one will remember the Name
as well as no one remember the Name from the
Chernobyl Company!

The Name of Tepco will be replaced by a Canadian,
US-American, British, Indian, Chinese or whatever Name
for sure,
Fukushima itself will be just a new beginning
in a chain of Disaster and catastrophic Industrial Accidents!

PS: i am located in the south of Tokyo,
a few Kilometer behind the 250Km Radius!

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Re: 26 Years ago Chernobyl exploded (04.26.86)
I saw a documentry about the incident on TV last night. It is ironic that the radiation spreads by wind and rain over a large distance. I have a holiday home 35kms from Pripiyat where the station is and there is no radiation near the village.Farms in Wales were closed because of contamination.
I would like to see ALL these stations closed as too much risk from accidents.
 Quoting: Chippey


@ Chippey-San,

how old are you (roundabout)?
 Quoting: Atom-Boy


I am 64 years young.
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I saw a documentry about the incident on TV last night. It is ironic that the radiation spreads by wind and rain over a large distance. I have a holiday home 35kms from Pripiyat where the station is and there is no radiation near the village.Farms in Wales were closed because of contamination.
I would like to see ALL these stations closed as too much risk from accidents.
 Quoting: Chippey


@ Chippey-San,

how old are you (roundabout)?
 Quoting: Atom-Boy


I am 64 years young.
 Quoting: Chippey


You are from the former Soviet Union/ Occupied Ukraine?
What do they told you in the first Weeks, Months and Years after the Catastrophe happened?

How you got your Information?
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Re: 26 Years ago Chernobyl exploded (04.26.86)
I am not Ukranian but my wife has told me a lot about what happened at that time. The Russian scientists left for Russia immediatly after the accident which was denied by the authorities. Children were encouraged to play outside as if nothing had happened. When people saw soldiers in gas masks they were told it was for practise. A few days later there was not a bus left in Kyiv as they were being used to transport the people away from contaminated areas. My wife took her children to Moscow at the first rumours of an explosian as did a lot of other people.
The contaminated area is known as the Dead Zone but it looks quite normal except for the numerous deserted villages. The Zone is patrolled all the time and some roads have check points and all vehicles passing through are inspected.Some people go into the zone to pick berries and mushrooms which are contaminated but are sold to unsuspecting people in Kyiv. A lot of contaminated vehicles have been buried in the forests.
It is not safe to eat any food from the zone such as berries or deer and wild pig meat.
It is not possible to clean up the Radiation, that is why it is important to close all Nuclear Power Sites as none can be completly protected.
I live in Kyiv now and I own a village property about 35kms from the reactor.A lot of people were relocated to the village as it was not contaminated.

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Re: 26 Years ago Chernobyl exploded (04.26.86)
@ Chippey-San,

do you have a Geiger-Counter or do you know
the amount of Radiation still present in Kyiv
and maybe even in your Datsha closer to the NPP?

In Kyiv they just washed the Streets as far as i remember
but nothing else?

10 Years ago i had two Students from Kyiv,
both had a kind of Leukemia when they was Childs,
i hope they are well!

Regards

PS: Kyiv and Tokyo are nearly the same Distance away from the NPP.

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Re: 26 Years ago Chernobyl exploded (04.26.86)
Chilling description of first moments of Chernobyl by Helen Caldicott last month:



Also, Michio Kaku say's every human on Earth has a bit of Chernobyl in their body now. (Need help with finding thee video)

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