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Tina Shwac

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Anders:

I have watched the first ~35 minutes of the video so far.

I am convinced that there is definately something going on. I´ll let you know when I´ve had a chance to watch the rest.

~Tina
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"yes, it is the list of 126, since grown even larger"

Oh really?? And where is this larger list??

Does it exist, or is this just one more thing you have pulled out of your ass to fit you fantasy?
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11/29/2005 06:59 PM
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Tina Shwac

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Do you know if there has ever been a plane observed leaving both chemtrails and contrails at the same time?
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whack job wibbling bump
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11/29/2005 07:09 PM
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You mean here?

[link to www.carnicom.com]

Looks the same to me. No larger.

Lie number 2. Keep going.
Anders (OP)

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11/29/2005 07:15 PM
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127. U.S. Naval Sea Systems Command
128. Western Pacific Region of the Federal Aviation Administration, Lawndale CA. (repeat visit)(repeat visit) (repeat visit)
129. National Aeronautics and Space Administration Langley Research Center (10 visits minimum)
130. United States Environmental Protection Agency (20 visits minimum)
131. St. Vincent Hospital, Santa Fe New Mexico
132. HEADQUARTERS UNITED STATES AIR FORCE, THE PENTAGON
133. United States Department of the Treasury (repeat visit)(repeat visit)
134. United States Department of Defense Educational Activity
135. ANDREWS AIR FORCE BASE, PROUD HOME OF AIR FORCE ONE
136. United States Federal Aviation Administration
137. United States Naval Research Center, Washington D.C.
138. Rockwell-Collins (U.S. defense contractor)
139. Honeywell (U.S. Defense Contractor)(repeat visit)
140. Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, Dayton OH (repeat visit)(repeat repeat visit)
141. Kadena Air Force Base, Okinawa, Japan
142. Aviation Weather Center, National Oceanic and Atmospherics Administration
143. United States Army Medical Department(repeat visit)
144. Nasa Goddard Space Flight Center
145. Applied Physics Laboratory, a research division of John Hopkins University, which supports the U.S. Defense Department
146. United States Naval Health Research Center, San Diego, CA
147. Camp Pendleton, United States Marine Corps (mandatory US Defense anthrax vaccination program described at www.cpp.usmc.mil)(repeat visit)(repeat visit)
148. Ames Research Center, NASA (one of primary missions is to research ASTROBIOLOGY, i.e., the study of life in outer space) (repeat visit)
149. Space Dynamics Laboratory, Utah State University, North Logan, Utah
150. Merck (Pharmaceutical Products and Health Research)(repeat visit)
151. McClellan Air Force Base, Sacramento, CA. (The Sacramento Air Logistics Center at McClellan Air Force Base, California performs depot maintenance on the KC-135 Stratotanker aircraft and is heavily involved in space and communications-electronics.)(repeat visit)
152. TRW (U.S. Defense Contractor) (repeat visit)
153. Teledyne Brown Engineering (U.S. Defense Contractor)
154. United States Navy Medical Department
155. Air National Guard, Salt Lake City, Utah
156. Monsanto Company(Chemical, Pesticide, and Pharmaceutical products) (repeat visit)(repeat repeat visits)
157. U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs
158. Arco Chemical Corporation
159. Sundstrand Aerospace (U.S. Defense Contractor)
160. National Oceanic and Atmospherics Administration Aeronomy Laboratory (conducts fundamental research on the chemical and physical processes of the Earth´s atmosphere)
Nighthawk

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HAHAHA!! Now that is funny anders1rof1
Tina Shwac

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Anders:

Do you know if there has ever been a plane observed leaving both chemtrails and contrails at the same time?
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I see nighthawk is still working himself to skin and bone buried under dark folds of oblivion.
Keep on Anders!
Tina and nighthawk buried my UK thread - but hey what do we know we´re only little brits.

Please remember the children.
Many rescue child victims died terrified with brain implants a couple of years ago so there is some experimental work being done somewhere. probably on emf/brain wave frequency on the fear terror wave length.
Soon get the population under contol if there is mass fear of the unknown.
I have said before FEAR is THEIR weapon. but don´t rely on help from the state.

Shades of Josef Mengels.
- --
Nighthawk said just because there were patents issued it does not mean they were put into production.
Oh really !!!
Which prisoners had heavy metal music etc. blasted at them continuously?
To me chemtrail grid patterns could be reference points for what- we can only hope one day the truth will out.

- - - -
U.S. Government Patents to Alter and Control
Modification and manipulation of Earth´s Atmosphere, Ionosphere, Magnetosphere and People.

Patent 3,951,134 - Apparatus and method for remotely monitoring and altering brain waves

Patent 6,017,302 - Subliminal Acoustic Manipulation of Nervous System

Patent 4,686,685 - Method And Apparatus for Altering a Region in the Earth´s Atmosphere, Ionosphere, and/or Magnetosphere Eastlund HAARP Patent HAARP Executive Summary

from darkness to LIGHT.
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pennywise Aaaaaggggggghhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!! I´ve been sprayed!!!!!!
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11/30/2005 07:02 AM
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i am doing my own research on that subject and will come back with my responce.

that should be interesting
Nighthawk

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11/30/2005 08:17 AM
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"Tina and nighthawk buried my UK thread "

You´re as big a liar as anders. I never posted in your UK thread

"Nighthawk said just because there were patents issued it does not mean they were put into production.
Oh really !!!
Which prisoners had heavy metal music etc. blasted at them continuously?"


And you are even more incoherent. What the fuck does blasting heavy metal music at prisoners have to do with patents or chemtrails?

"but hey what do we know we´re only little brits"

I never said anything about you being brits. If you have a problem with being a brit, don´t blame me.
Anders (OP)

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11/30/2005 12:17 PM
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has anyone noticed the abundance of chemtrails in the sky over the past few weeks? (Chemtrails are chemicals dropped into the sky by planes). Well, by now I’m sure most of them have dissipated into the air, but nevertheless, its caught my attention. The chemicals contain metals like barium and aluminum. So what the hells going on? Metallic used as a conductor? For what? Super-weapon, weather control...? Poison? Biological catalyst? Make us crave, hate, lust, fear something? Tiny remote control spy craft? Hahahah...

(UPDATE - November 30)

Alright, about CHEMICAL POISONING, I´ve got some info about the effects of heavy metals on the body. (chemtrails contain heavy metals - barium and aluminum).

"heavy metals disrupt metabolic function in two basic ways:1. First, they accumulate and thereby disrupt function in vital organs and glands such as the heart, brain, kidneys, bone, liver, etc.2. Second, they displace vital nutritional minerals from where they should be in the body to provide biological function. For example, enzymes are catalysts for virtually every biochemical reaction in all life-sustaining processes of metabolism. But instead of calcium being present in an enzyme reaction, lead or cadmium may be there in its place. Toxic metals can´t fulfill the same role as the nutritional minerals, thus their presence becomes critically disruptive to enzyme activity.Because their impact is at such a foundational level, heavy metals can be causal factors in literally any health problem. This is graphically illustrated in the chart below, which summarizes the sources of each of the heavy metals as well as their adverse effects on the body."

"The possibility that aluminum exposure might be an etiological factor in Alzheimer´s disease (AD) was raised by Klatzo et al. (1965) and Terry and Pena (1965) on observing neurofibrillar degeneration in rabbits following exposure of the central nervous system to aluminum salts. Aluminum exposure has been linked for some time to other health effects, especially osteomalacia (OM) (Ward et al. 1978) and encephalopathy (Alfrey et al. 1976) in patients on dialysis or total parenteral nutrition (TPN) (Klein et al. 1982a,1982b). Several epidemiological studies have provided evidence with respect to a possible link between aluminum in drinking water and dementia (Anonymous 1992). neurotoxicity, aluminum accumulation in AD-affected brains, epidemiological studies, and some evidence of slowed progression of AD when treating patients with chelating agents."

"PUBLIC HEALTH STATEMENT"(effects of barium in the body) changes in heart rhythm or paralysis.Some people who did not seek medical treatmentsoon after eating or drinking a very large amount ofbarium have died. Some people who eat or drinksomewhat smaller amounts of barium for a shortperiod may experience vomiting, abdominalcramps, diarrhea, difficulties in breathing, increasedor decreased blood pressure, numbness around theface, and muscle weakness."
Tina Shwac

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As I have pointed out elsewhere:

Barium and aluminum are not heavy metals.
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book
On the page it states that the last chemtrail protest was in 2001 in Ohio
[link to users.ev1.net]

and also found from google....
Italian chemtrail research in North America
[link to www.rense.com]

what else has been done, I could not find anything else? Are there any protests being planned or anything else in America or elsewhere?
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Barium, aluminum, titanium and magnesium are toxic to human´s and are considered heavy metals when they enter the lungs and blood stream.
Anders (OP)

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any metal is heavy, be definition, some more than others

jesus h f christ

they are poisons
Tina Shwac

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11/30/2005 03:23 PM
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"any metal is heavy, be definition, some more than others"

No. The term "heavy metal" is specifically defined. Actually, several times. None of the definitions include aluminum or barium.


"they are poisons"

I didn´t argue that. I just pointed out an incorrect use of the term. If you want to maintain your credibility, you should care about that.

Anders, PLEASE!

I am not trying to start an argument with you here. I was merely pointing out a MINOR error for you. Now just accept it as that and move along. The information you are presenting is far too important to be side tracked by stupid stuff like this.
Anders (OP)

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GO AWAY SHWACK YOU KNOBHEAD
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Without question, contrails have generated a great emotional response to my weather wars work. Some scientists, and sadly that seems a generous use of the term considering their curious absence from this debate, have derided the possibility of chemtrails and simply refuse to examine the skies above them and therefore have - so far - excluded themselves from this debate. Indeed a sad state of affairs considering how long this project has been underway. In my view, an endlessly curious mind and an open belief system are must haves to be a scientist. In the continuing effort to debunk the chemtrail/contrail issue a closed mind is all these ´intellectuals´ seem to be able to bring to the table. They say a lab must prove that they exist before they can believe this project is underway. Then bring that lab to bear on this subject! Chemtrails appear to exist, and in great numbers. This case is open and should be examined and scrutinized by the atmospheric departments of universities, the EPA, and the FAA should not be so evasive when questioned about the extra aircraft flying that civilians flights must be routed around when the spraying project is heavily underway near busy civilian hubs. Why are ATC (air traffic control) guys so skittish when this topic is brought up? They see and are aware of it day in and day out. They also know the magnitude of this operation.

Above and beyond the issue of the trails themselves. Is why fly these sorties in the first place? These belching trails exist, and what effect would the over five million miles of aircraft contrails DAILY have on our atmospheric environment? This effect must be quantifiable and not yet significant enough for the desired effect otherwise why continue day after day, year after year in ever increasing numbers.

I recently had an enlightening conversation with an ex-Air Force pilot who is now flying freight between the US West Coast and Europe. He feels that many pilots may not know that they fly with fuel that is mixed with this waxy additive that appears to enhance the size, duration, consistency, and opacity of the aircrafts exhaust contrail. Jet-A fuel is now found to be clear, pale blue and pale reddish to pink in color. Uncontaminated Jet-A is clear to straw yellow in color. The possibility exists that this additive been uncovered previously.

[link to www.oas.gov]

Our pilot says it depends on where you fuel-up as to what color you fuel get will be. Has this project incorporated the civilian fleet without their management knowing? Or do they know. This would begin to explain why the fleet of offenders crosses the gamut of aircraft types. Then there are aircraft that seem to be specifically outfitted for this spraying operation incorporating separate tanks and delivery systems apart from the familiar engine nacelles. These craft appear to be painted all white. You will see them featured in the pages below.

When pilots above begin to notice that contrails do not look like they used too; we must take notice and try to get those that do know to fess-up. We can handle the truth. Only with the public aware, participating and thoroughly included in the debate concerning solutions to our global environmental issues can we make the progress humanity needs to assure a future for all of us.

If the problems this planet faces are more in the theme of the Sun-Earth relationship, then it is even more imperative that the issues confronting the planet Earth are shared and an honest assessment of the seriousness of the threat be made public knowledge. We all know that governments have a tough time being honest; it is part of their agenda of control. If these chemtrail pilots are flying long hours for the benefit of mankind I believe that their missions would be public and we would have yellow ribbons honoring their hard work, long hours, and importance in the success of mission. The fact that these activities remain shrouded in secrecy, disavowed while in full view of all, leads to great concern about their true intent.

Issues facing humanity are many and sometimes massive in scope; we the people must be allowed the opportunity to help ourselves. If that remains the least we can do, it must be the absolute least we must do.

Global Dimming

[link to news.bbc.co.uk]

"There was a staggering 22% drop in the sunlight, and that really amazed me." Intrigued, he searched records from all around the world, and found the same story almost everywhere he looked.

Sunlight was falling by 10% over the USA, nearly 30% in parts of the former Soviet Union, and even by 16% in parts of the British Isles.

Is it possible that this dimming is in part due to aircraft contrails put there as a counter balance to the increase in atmospheric CO2? Many pieces of this atmospheric puzzle remain to be understood by science. Will a mainstream scientific epiphany occur soon enough to help us? Or has the die been cast and hence this deep cover project continues just as a way to keep things the way they are for as long as possible?

Enjoy this view from his seat, the contrails, and the beautiful skies of Earth as few of us have ever seen before.

--Scott

I have recently learned that an unknown quantity of these images may have originally been posted at airliners.net with the owners permission and some possibly without. Airliners.net has a very nice collection of aircraft images if that might be something that interests you.
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Plenty of photos of chemtrails/contrails? - you decide - at

[link to www.weatherwars.info]

Analysis of chemtrail/contail photos by Scott Stevens at:

[link to www.weatherwars.info]
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Shwaks definately a guy. No woman would be such a f idiot.
Anders (OP)

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EXACTLY 143, I ABOUT HAD ENOUGH...
Tina Shwac

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"GO AWAY SHWACK YOU KNOBHEAD"

Why would you attack someone who is supporting you?

I was just trying to correct a minor error you made.

Why are you treating me like this?
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Anders is just being true to his character.
He can´t help himself.
Hatred is a cancer upon the world.
It rots the mind and blackens the heart.


Hi! My name is Halcyon Dayz and I'm addicted to morans.
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The quotes that I will remember most from the Carnicom Vid are, "this is the biggest story in recorded history and know one is aknowledging it?" and, "the fear to do so is bigger than all of them!"

The 5 reasons Carinicom gives that are consistent with 5 years worth of data, probably justifies that fear:

1. Environmental engineering (modification and control)

2. Electromagnetic operations

3. Military operations

4. Biological operations

5. Planetary and geophysical change


Thanks for bringing the vid to everyones attention, OP.
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That material you posted at 3.28 was from my thread, Anders. How about respecting forum etiquette and acknowledging sources instead of passing it off as your own?
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660, What difference does it make?

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