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I´m still waiting on your links for "samples have been taken by hundreds of individuals, all operating on peanuts - and they have been analyzed in idependent labs - all the evidence is at carnicom and other sites..."

No linky...

Big stinky...
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Remove the spaces.

William Thomas a liar:
[link to www.] goodsky.homestead.com/files/deception4.html

William Thomas a criminal:
[link to www.] lasvegassun.com/dossier/crime/bio/harris.html

After reading this last one again, I am not sure if he is a felon or not, but is a criminal. After reading this last article again, this guy is a complete wacko. And this is who you base your beliefs on??
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the EPA will not analyse ANY samples, by any means, shill boy, as I have alread stated


[link to www.skyhighway.com]


from snow and rain water samples that were
taken during very high Chemtrail activity in
North Carolina.


Lab results,
from Edmonton, Canada


Barium and Chemtrails
and the health effects thereof


Health effects of Aluminum
which has been found in Chemtrail samples
(need Acrobat Reader to view)


Health effects
of chemicals used in ´Cloud Seeding´


Lab Analysis
of chemtrails in Colorado


JAMA Reports on long-term exposure to fine particulate air pollution.
"CONCLUSION: Long-term exposure to combustion-related fine
particulate air pollution is an important environmental risk factor
for cardiopulmonary and lung cancer mortality."


American Medical Association says
"Particulate matter air pollution is especially harmful to people
with lung disease such as asthma and chronic obstructive
pulmonary disease (COPD), which includes chronic bronchitis
and emphysema, as well as people with heart disease."


United States Environmental Protection Agency
says "scientific studies have linked particulate matter... with
a series of significant health problems, including: Premature death."
This article clearly states particulate matter is not good for you
yet they say nothing about the aerosol operations which
intentionally put particulate matter in our air.


"Spray Tankers Tracked By Radar, Lab Tests Raise Concerns"


"Radionics machine detects possible “simulants” in chemtrails"
Anders (OP)

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EPA DEEMED NEGLIGENT
The following letter has been sent to Carol M. Browner,
Administrator of the United States Environmental Protection Agency
via certified mail. Receipt of this letter has been acknowledged by the office
of Carol M. Browner on June 9 2000.


[link to www.carnicom.com]





well, shills???


why is the EPA refusing to analyse any sampling???


LOL
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"from snow and rain water samples that were
taken during very high Chemtrail activity in
North Carolina."

Again, these samples are from ground level. These samples in no way whatsoever prove that chemtrails exist and were most definitely contaminated by other sources.
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William Thomas a liar:
[link to www.] goodsky.homestead.com/files/deception4.html

William Thomas a criminal:
[link to www.] lasvegassun.com/dossier/crime/bio/harris.html

After reading this last one again, I am not sure if he is a felon or not, but is a criminal. After reading this last article again, this guy is a complete wacko. And this is who you base your beliefs on??




we were talking about mr. carnicom

that is what this whole thread is about in case u hadn´t noticed
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most definitely contaminated by other sources.




most definately??? LOL

you´ve already made your mind up, being a shill

so a balloon recovered, or aircraft recovered sample, will not have the same contaminants?

how do you work that one out?

are there contaminants in the air at 25k, 35k???
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Erm ok, it states that it was sent. It was probably ignored due to the ignorance within it. This doesnt prove jack.dcomp
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No, again you comprehension is slipping. I made the claim that this whole chemtrail crap was started by a liar, thief and criminal and you asked for a link.
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yes there is contaminates in the air that high. O-ZONE HOLE.....think about that one.
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It was probably ignored due to the ignorance within it. This doesnt prove jack


No, it proves that the EPA are ´protecting´ nobody


your tax dollars at work

they are part of the cover up, obviously, as are the FAA and a whole host of other .orgs
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No, again you comprehension is slipping. I made the claim that this whole chemtrail crap was started by a liar, thief and criminal and you asked for a link.



not quite

the chemtrail crap was started by aircraft dumping crapola into the atmosphere

you are trying to state that because 1 person may be a connvicted crook the whole issue of chemtrails does not deserve to be investigated by, for example, the EPA

millions of ppl around the world, and I am one, have seen chemtrail activity

1 or more crooks does not negate that validity
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yes there is contaminates in the air that high. O-ZONE HOLE.....think about that one.



my point completely

so a ballon sample proves what exactly?

whatever is being sprayed eventually makes it to terra firma

and it can be sampled quite adequately there

why don´t you read the reports?

barium
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“most definately??? LOL”

What? Don’t believe me??

”you´ve already made your mind up, being a shill”

Not a shill, but have done the research and made my mind up.

”so a balloon recovered, or aircraft recovered sample, will not have the same contaminants?”

If the collection is performed properly then, no, the samples won’t.
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wtf man, make sense of what you are saying. One moment your saying it doesnt exist at that and the next it does. Are you dual personality, where one doesnt know about the other? How in the world did this prove a point. It disproved yours!

"yes there is contaminates in the air that high. O-ZONE HOLE.....think about that one."
whatever
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Anders, your words: "samples have been taken by hundreds of individuals, all operating on peanuts - and they have been analyzed in idependent labs - all the evidence is at carnicom and other sites..."

Key words: "hundreds of individuals" and "independent labs"

Notice that both are plural, as in more than one.

Now...

Why, when researching chemtrail test results, there is only one "report" that all refer to? Where are these other labs´ reports you speak of?

Also, out of all the Central PA American Society of Safety Engineers, only one can offer the test results you´re wanting?

As to the sample itself, what were the controls used? What steps were taken by the individual to preserve its integrity? How do we know the sample did not consist of rain water filtered through a litter box?

We don´t. We won´t. And until someone can demonstrate that the test sample´s integrity has been maintained using acknowledged scientific procedure, and is not a trustee of modern chemistry, you, Anders, are simply pissing in the wind.

I actually find this kind of funny. You see, I was willing to entertain the idea of chemtrails as you put forth. But, after reviewing your "evidence" that you so graciously provided, I come away now laughing my ass off at just how stupid you sound.

Surely, someone like you can´t possibly be this stupid. Then again...
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Let me get this straight. You, anders, are saying that since samples of rain and snow collected at ground level have contaminates (Barium) in them, and that those contaminates being present are absolute proof that chemtrails exist??
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“most definately??? LOL”

What? Don’t believe me??




yes, you simply cannot say that a ground or roof sample will be contaminated, because u don´t KNOW

a roof sample over a polluted city may well be more contaminated than a cactus high sample in the high desert

what you do is take CONTROL samples on days where chemtrail activity is not happenning




”you´ve already made your mind up, being a shill”

Not a shill, but have done the research and made my mind up.



LOL




”so a balloon recovered, or aircraft recovered sample, will not have the same contaminants?”

If the collection is performed properly then, no, the samples won’t.




complete rubbish

pollutants from cities are quite capable of reaching into the high atmosphere

passing jets dump fuel

passing jets unload all their toilet CRAP, litereally, into the sky at 35k or highers

in a fine spray of all sorts of crapola



of course any balloon sample will collect ALL that

just like any rooftops sample will also have traces of all of the above



and your point is???


the fact is, samples have shown that a variety of rather frightening chemicals and particles and substances are being ejected from aircraft on a regular basis



well is is almost 6am here in england and i am off to bed


pls have fun jousting amongst yourselves


toodle pip!blairblairblair
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Let me get this straight. You, anders, are saying that since samples of rain and snow collected at ground level have contaminates (Barium) in them, and that those contaminates being present are absolute proof that chemtrails exist??

On a similar note: Do we really know that an individual who just a barium enema hadn´t come along and wrote his name in the snow?
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Do we really know that an individual who just a barium enema hadn´t come along and wrote his name in the snow?

lol Now that´s funny
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We don´t. We won´t. And until someone can demonstrate that the test sample´s integrity has been maintained using acknowledged scientific procedure, and is not a trustee of modern chemistry, you, Anders, are simply pissing in the wind.



one reply before i crash

do you not think that after being petitioned by thousands of tax paying citizens, and approached by numerous ´green´ goups

that the EPA (who have ALL the resources needed to carry out a thorough investigation, to your (and my) standards)

should EXAMINE and TEST for these alleged chemtrails???

the epa are clearly copying the usaf´s approach to ufos, one of denial and cover-up

you know as well as i do that the EPA could settle this question within a few months. but they won´t touch it


as for pissing in the wind, yes i am, but i am downwind and i am pissing all over you!

i am SO GLAD that folks like you are out there backing up establishment cover-ups
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Let me get this straight. You, anders, are saying that since samples of rain and snow collected at ground level have contaminates (Barium) in them, and that those contaminates being present are absolute proof that chemtrails exist??

On a similar note: Do we really know that an individual who just a barium enema hadn´t come along and wrote his name in the snow?





how is rainfall in inches measured???

ever heard of a test tube or a measuring beaker

ever heard of sampling methodologies???

use your common sense pls

i expect you drink yellow snow too, idiot
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How do we know the sample did not consist of rain water filtered through a litter box?



LOL


if anything a concerned private citizen will go out of their way to read up on how to collect samples in the most efficacious ways possible, and take it from there

i find it laughable that you think a concerned citizen would go out of their way to ruin their sampling, especially when they are paying a lab 500 or 1000 bux out of their own money for a full analysis





nope


the evidence is there for eyes to see

the EPA refuse to do their job, and this pattern is repeated worldwide with govt denial and obfuscation


open and shut case
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mmmmmmm yellow snow........But anyways the green peace organization gotta find something to yell about. If its not natural it shouldnt exist. As for the dumping of yummy human fecal matter over the land, well, you gotta think human fecal matter isnt always mush. It will have solids and these solids would have cause several injuries. So, I dont believe they dump it over your head. Instead its kept in storage untill landing to be pumped out, much like a camper.yak
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"how is rainfall in inches measured???

ever heard of a test tube or a measuring beaker

ever heard of sampling methodologies???

use your common sense pls"

OK, great, now, answer my question.
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“Well isn´t that interesting. Funny how we can see this phenomenon but wannabe ASS-trophysicists can´t see diddley squat...”

I dare say they can see it, just refusing to acknowledge for whatever reason.
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“Let me get this straight. You, anders, are saying that since samples of rain and snow collected at ground level have contaminates (Barium) in them, and that those contaminates being present are absolute proof that chemtrails exist??”

Isn’t the fact that you can see them evidence that they exist?
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I wondered why you´d suddenly dropped this Anders, and a few other things. Is this the cause?





>>>Stop it Anders. You know you´ve been caught again. You´re even bringing shit to threads unconnected. Look at your posts here. Have gone completely mad?

here´s the stuff, should anyone be interested in TRUTH, not manipulation, obfuscation and LIES.



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Re: The Flight to the Land Beyond the North Pole - A Copy of the Diary of Admiral Richard B. BYRD

[link to www.holloworbs.com]

for anders, if you have never read it before!


thank you robin

i worked for the airlines for 20 years or so

visited 35 countries

did many many long trips, including over the pole and russia, etc etc, alaska, u name it









Anders
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Re: The Flight to the Land Beyond the North Pole - A Copy of the Diary of Admiral Richard B. BYRD

The primary entry points to the inner earth are via the north pole where there is an opening of 1300 miles, and the soule pole, with an opening of 950 milies. These can be seen from space. That is why commercial aircraft are not allowed to fly over these areas, not because of ´magnetic disturbances, which is the ´official´ bullshit reason.



this is true

any commercial pilot that flies over the poles will say that their craft burn up untold thousands of gallons of fuel by not being allowed to take a DIRECT route

why????



LOL





What a clown you are Anders.<<<





I also wondered why you started posting unconnected BS everywhere, are the 2 linked?

How is posting BS about someone, from months ago, relevant?
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Still waiting for an educated response to this question about US patents from the debunkers.

Incidently notice the subliminal messages in the avatars of little Tina Scwack and Nighthawk who seems to spnd most of his time hidden under a cloak working himself to skin and bone debunking and never looking up at the sky to see what is going on above him.
Again what is your educated answers to these US patents please.

Notice ´chemtrails´ are written in black and white or whatever colour your browser uses!

U.S. Government Patents to Alter and Control
Modification and manipulation of Earth´s Atmosphere, Ionosphere, Magnetosphere and People.

Patent 3,951,134 - Apparatus and method for remotely monitoring and altering brain waves

US Patent 3,899,144 "Powder Contrail Generation" Chemtrail device patented in 1975

Patent 4,686,685 - Method And Apparatus for Altering a Region in the Earth´s Atmosphere, Ionosphere, and/or Magnetosphere Eastlund HAARP Patent HAARP Executive Summary

Patent 4,717,343 - Method of Changing Person´s Behavior

Patent 4,858,612 - Hearing Device

Patent 4,877,027 - Hearing System

Patent 5,123,899 - Method and System for Altering Consciousness

Patent 5,159,703 - Silent Subliminal Presentation System

Patent 5,270,800 - Subliminal Message Generator

Patent 5,507,291 - Method and an Associated Apparatus for Remotely Determining information as to Person´s Emotional State

Patent 5,539,705 - Ultrasonic Speech Translator and Communications System

Patent 5,629,678 - Personal Tracking and Recovery System

Patent 5,760,692 - Intra-oral Tracking Device

Patent 5,878,155 - Method for verifying human identity during electronic sale transactions

Patent 5,905,461 - Global Positioning Satellite Tracking Device

Patent 5,935,054 - Magnetic excitation of Sensory Resonances

Patent 5,952,600 - Engine Disabling Weapon

Patent 6,006,188 - Speech Signal Processing for Determining Psychological or Physiological Characteristics Using a Knowledge Base

Patent 6,011,991 - Communication system and method including brain wave analysis and/or use of brain activity

Patent 6,014,080 - Body Worn Active and Passive Tracking Device

Patent 6,017,302 - Subliminal Acoustic Manipulation of Nervous System

Patent 6,051,594 - Methods and Formulations for Modulating the Human Sexual Response

Patent 6,669,094 - Method of Embedding and Recovering Encoded Item Identification Information in an Emulsion by Means of Radiant Energy

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Hi Nightlight - the shills have not answered you for days on this one!

keep it up!