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Ultimate Hypocracy - Florida Rules Drug Testing Govt Workers Unconstitutional

 
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In the ultimate in your face hypocracy, the Florida govt has rules drug testing govt employees unconstitutional, stating it's violating the right of unreasonable search and seizure.

MIAMI (AP) - A Miami federal judge has declared that Gov. Rick Scott's order requiring drug testing for state workers is unconstitutional.

U.S. District Judge Ursula Ungaro ruled Thursday that blanket testing of some 85,000 workers violates the Fourth Amendment ban on unreasonable searches and seizures.


[link to www.wtsp.com]


yet, at the very same time....

Required drug tests for people seeking welfare benefits ended up costing taxpayers more than it saved and failed to curb the number of prospective applicants, data used against the state in an ongoing legal battle shows.

The findings — that only 108 of the 4,086 people who took a drug test failed — are additional ammunition for the American Civil Liberties Union of Florida, which sued the state and won a temporary ban on the drug-testing program in October, said ACLU spokesman Derek Newton.

Attorneys for the state immediately appealed the ban, and will face off against the ACLU again at the 11th Circuit Court in Atlanta and the U.S. District Court in Orlando in coming months.


[link to www.miamiherald.com]


Umm, duh. Poor people can't afford drugs.

Here we have the same people saying that govt employees are protected by the constitution, but the people aren't? What a crock of shit!
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Amazing isn't it???

I'll pin this for you. Because it's a good thread.
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Government Statute Citizens have no rights, but are fictitious persons, created by common interest for the public trust.

This is more of their bullshit, trying to merge the corporate person (public official) into the same definition of a "living" person.

Of course in doing so that fancifully and irresponsibly change the meanings of Maxims of Law.
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People on welfare should be drug tested.
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I'm in a "public trust" position and subject to random drug testing. My question is why Congress, it's staff, and the rest of the political system isn't!
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so just use this case example for the appeal, if unconstitutional for one the same should be for all persons
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so just use this case example for the appeal, if unconstitutional for one the same should be for all persons
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There are several classes of Persons. Some fictitious.

You cant have something apply to a living breathing person, and a non living person, which is a public office. The State.

It is not logical. And logic is the rule of Law. Maxim Law. The Law of reason.
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People on welfare should be drug tested.
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Goberment workers doling out welfare should be drug tested.
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people on welfare can buy artificial urine for 40 bucks with the money they make dealing drugs.
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The government can go fuck themselves at this point... Unconstitutional, what the fuck ever... These people are terrorists, FACT.
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The government can go fuck themselves at this point... Unconstitutional, what the fuck ever... These people are terrorists, FACT.
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You are correct. They are terrorist.

Funk and Wagnalls defines Terrorist as 2. "a system of Government that seeks to rule by intimidation."
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Government Statute Citizens have no rights, but are fictitious persons, created by common interest for the public trust.

This is more of their bullshit, trying to merge the corporate person (public official) into the same definition of a "living" person.

Of course in doing so that fancifully and irresponsibly change the meanings of Maxims of Law.
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People on welfare should be drug tested.
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Your an idiot. So I guess you should have a chip implanted if you want to use currency with your thinking. Just keep on giving up liberties until we're totally locked down huh!
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People on welfare should be drug tested.
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Been there >> [link to articles.cnn.com]

Howd that turn out [link to www.connecttristates.com] ???

I think more government workers would test positive than the welfare recipients...
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snopes it

[link to www.snopes.com]
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Wow.

This needs to go....

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You're correct, OP. People on welfare can't afford drugs. But somehow some do - either by selling their food stamps or by robberies. Welfare recipients should be tested on a regular basis.
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People on welfare should be drug tested.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10404177


Cops and politicians should be drug tested.

But apparently, it's a violation of their rights.
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The government workers saying you can't drug test the government workers, irony.



People on welfare should be drug tested.
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It ended up costing us more money when they tried this. They passed laws saying if a person failed a test you had to offer free drug treatment and a free place to stay during the treatment till the person is cleaned up. It wasn’t as simple as you failed your test no money for you!

Then the fear becomes that they will make it so you can't stop the welfare money but you still have to offer the mandated treatment for those that need it! Here is a link the people were only loosing 25 to 50% of the check even after failing under the guise the money may be for the children of the person on welfare. they also claim if you cut welfare the person will turn to selling drugs for money.

[link to lacrossetribune.com]


Another about the treatment.

[link to blogs.miaminewtimes.com]

Snip: As has been widely reported, only 2.6 percent of applicants failed the test (108 in total, though another 40 opted out of the tests before taking them). The vast majority passed. All applicants are forced to pay for their own drug tests, but the state reimbursed them if they passed. That lead to a $118,140 bill in four months alone.

By the way, the vast majority of people failed because only marijuana was detected.

That bill outnumbered the money that Temporary Assistance for Needy Family welfare funds that would have been doled out to those who failed by $45,780. Nothing new here, but the Times points out that the program had no apparent effect of lowering the amount of applications:
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The government workers saying you can't drug test the government workers, irony.



People on welfare should be drug tested.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10404177


It ended up costing us more money when they tried this. They passed laws saying if a person failed a test you had to offer free drug treatment and a free place to stay during the treatment till the person is cleaned up. It wasn’t as simple as you failed your test no money for you!

Then the fear becomes that they will make it so you can't stop the welfare money but you still have to offer the mandated treatment for those that need it! Here is a link the people were only loosing 25 to 50% of the check even after failing under the guise the money may be for the children of the person on welfare. they also claim if you cut welfare the person will turn to selling drugs for money.

[link to lacrossetribune.com]


Another about the treatment.

[link to blogs.miaminewtimes.com]

Snip: As has been widely reported, only 2.6 percent of applicants failed the test (108 in total, though another 40 opted out of the tests before taking them). The vast majority passed. All applicants are forced to pay for their own drug tests, but the state reimbursed them if they passed. That lead to a $118,140 bill in four months alone.

By the way, the vast majority of people failed because only marijuana was detected.

That bill outnumbered the money that Temporary Assistance for Needy Family welfare funds that would have been doled out to those who failed by $45,780. Nothing new here, but the Times points out that the program had no apparent effect of lowering the amount of applications:
 Quoting: Chrit


I understand about attacking this at the conservative level of battling costs but to me it goes to the level of what you agreed to at the time of hiring. You agree to do something at a given rate per hour. To add the drug testing is a violation of the contract.

Solution...

Fire all of the State workers and rehire them after they sign agreeing to the drug testing.
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What if they found that the government druggies were mostly the Affirmative Action hires?
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People on welfare should be drug tested.
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And government workers are the ultimate 'welfare queens.' Goddamn parasites.
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Fuck yeah Florida! Tell the Feds to go suck a cock.

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People on welfare should be drug tested.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10404177


Goberment workers doling out welfare should be drug tested.
 Quoting: Chop's


They might have to be on drugs to deal with the welfare clients.
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People on welfare should be drug tested.
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So should government workers if you ask me, they are working for US, just like welfare people are taking money from US.
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All GOOD points. All of them.
I have to say that if it's legal for one group then it's legal for all groups.

I especially think government employees should HAVE to take the test. Mainly because we don't need a bunch of drug addicts making laws against drugs. LOL
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People on welfare should be drug tested.
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Goberment workers doling out welfare should be drug tested.
 Quoting: Chop's


I agree. But so should people receiving welfare. if you aint got money to eat, you damn sure shouldnt have money for drugs.
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People on welfare should be drug tested.
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Your an idiot. So I guess you should have a chip implanted if you want to use currency with your thinking. Just keep on giving up liberties until we're totally locked down huh!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3936560

Your a fucking tard, getting government money is NOT a liberty you dumb shit. If your on public assistance, you should be privy to drug testing. I live in Florida and know people who have been on welfare and used the welfare money to get food so they can use their food money for drugs. I'm tired of paying for freeloading drug addicts.
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People on welfare should be drug tested.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10404177


Goberment workers doling out welfare should be drug tested.
 Quoting: Chop's


I agree. But so should people receiving welfare. if you aint got money to eat, you damn sure shouldnt have money for drugs.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1187160


offtopic

The article is about testing government workers after they agreed to do the job without drug testing.
"shall not be infringed."
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Legalize Cannabis.

Why are there two classes of people? The elite government types that can use cannabis... While the elites & tptb punishes everyone else for using cannabis.

This should not be.

I don't see why cannabis is illeagal, ecspecially when Barack Obama is snorting cocain, shooting up, and doing no telling what other kind of drugs everyday.

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