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German chemical plant explosion throws global car industry into turmoil. Solar Panel industry also FUBAR. Force Majeure declared

 
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But potential new chemicals used in cars can require up to 5,000 hours of testing, which may be too long as existing stocks of nylon-12 could run out long before.

“The disruption will probably affect Europe primarily,” Rod Lache, an analyst for Deutsche Bank in New York told the FTD. He added that the US and Asia had several weeks'supplies.

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Ahhh, this might be huge.....

Seems to be a lot of chemical plants going boom boom lately.

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[link to www.hazardexonthenet.net]
Germany again

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Japan

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Egypt
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david de rothschild wants all cars off the road so this is good for the environment

get your bike on!
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There\'s too many cars in the world anyway!
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There\'s too many cars in the world anyway!
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yes

get your bike on!
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Lot of paychecks will be cut too.

It will take them months if not a year or two to get that refinery up and running.

This is whats called a zero point event. There is no way to kick start the production immediately.

2 options, rebuild refinery (months to a year) or source new material (5000 hrs of testing PRIOR to production) which will require a new/modifyed refinery which itself will take months to year(s) to get operational AFTER new material becomes available.

Chemical plants need to be built to spec to refine. Highly specialised.

As the article states, US has "a couple of weeks" supply.

ie. ROOTED!
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5a

There were reports last week of an emergency conference in Detroit to be attended by over 200 suppliers and reps of the auto industry. The emergency dealt with the explosion at a European chemical plant which produced all or most of a chemical critical to the production of cars on a world wide basis. The report intimated that the conference was critical to determine if suppliers could gear up to produce the needed compound or whatever and how long it would take. The clear inference was that unless very quick supplies could be obtained auto factories would perhaps have to begin shutting down. I heard it only once and I believe it was on a Detroit station. I dismissed it until I saw this post. This could be very big.
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5a

There were reports last week of an emergency conference in Detroit to be attended by over 200 suppliers and reps of the auto industry. The emergency dealt with the explosion at a European chemical plant which produced all or most of a chemical critical to the production of cars on a world wide basis. The report intimated that the conference was critical to determine if suppliers could gear up to produce the needed compound or whatever and how long it would take. The clear inference was that unless very quick supplies could be obtained auto factories would perhaps have to begin shutting down. I heard it only once and I believe it was on a Detroit station. I dismissed it until I saw this post. This could be very big.
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An explosion at a manufacturing plant in Germany is expected to cause a plastic resin shortage that could disrupt some U.S. auto production, according to an IHS Automotive report released Tuesday morning.

Auto industry leaders hosted a summit Tuesday in Southfield, Mich., to discuss the shortages of a component called CDT, a chemical that is critical to the production of a plastic resin called Nylon 12, which is used to make brake and fuel lines.

IHS projected that shortages of the obscure component are "likely to be serious." The March 31 explosion killed two at supplier Evonik Industries.

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Nylon-12 is also used in the medical world to make medical catheters, and also in the solar power industry to make a thin film which covers the photovoltaic panels. Until recently, when several large solar panel factories shut down, the number of panels being made in Germany was putting an extra strain on Nylon-12 supplies.

This will effect the solar panel industry as well....
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So are you happy about this? Are you one of those bicycle riding communist green tards?
Or are you unhappy about it?
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Can anyone say "US car industry recovery"...?
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So are you happy about this? Are you one of those bicycle riding communist green tards?
Or are you unhappy about it?
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You go first.

Are you happy? Or unhappy?

OK, this is an event that will have knock on effects to the global economy, not to mention military capabilities.

They still use pnuematic hosing ya know.
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So are you happy about this? Are you one of those bicycle riding communist green tards?
Or are you unhappy about it?
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You go first.

Are you happy? Or unhappy?

OK, this is an event that will have knock on effects to the global economy, not to mention military capabilities.

They still use pnuematic hosing ya know.
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Im unhappy I like cars.
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australia

me too.
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I work for an American truck manufacturer, this explosion is all the talk at our factory lately. Personally I will relish the time off if that happens. Seems pretty ridiculous that an entire industry relies on just a couple of plants for something important.


Thinking about the ramifications makes me wonder though....our union has been promoting a "99% spring" and trying to get people to go get trained to protest. This could put thousands of people out of work just in time to hit the streets. Coincidence?
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So are you happy about this? Are you one of those bicycle riding communist green tards?
Or are you unhappy about it?
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You go first.

Are you happy? Or unhappy?

OK, this is an event that will have knock on effects to the global economy, not to mention military capabilities.

They still use pnuematic hosing ya know.
 Quoting: Baldrick


Im unhappy I like cars.
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the rothschilds want you living in a straw tent riding a push bike

enjoy your cars while they last

'hoon laws' were done purposely by the crown government to purposely remove people from the 'performance car scene'

this is an environmental new world order. which means the billionares and trillionares are going 'green', so nobody else can ever make it rich again.
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I work for an American truck manufacturer, this explosion is all the talk at our factory lately. Personally I will relish the time off if that happens. Seems pretty ridiculous that an entire industry relies on just a couple of plants for something important.


Thinking about the ramifications makes me wonder though....our union has been promoting a "99% spring" and trying to get people to go get trained to protest. This could put thousands of people out of work just in time to hit the streets. Coincidence?
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Maybe yeah, but I would theorise that if this was a planned event as opposed to a mere accident, the target of not just disrupting supply, but reducing supply by half of one component in the manufacturing process of a fundamental necessity of the military machine was a brilliant operation.

My 2cents.
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I suppose I should go look for any reports of massive stockpiling by entities in the past 12 months or so...
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another reason to allow industrial hemp to be grown once more. im sure that im not the only one with more than 5000 hours of testing done on an essentially identical compound with only additional benifits shown throughout.

dupont and similar have inflicted enough damage. time to crawl back under their rocks.

[link to altahemp.com]

Henry Ford dreamed that someday automobiles would be grown from the soil. In 1941 the Ford motor company produced an experimental automobile with a plastic body composed of 70% cellulose fibers from hemp. The car body could absorb blows 10 times as great as steel without denting. The car was designed to run on hemp fuel. Because of the ban on both hemp and alcohol the car was never mass produced.

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Force Majuere declared

"Evonik's force majeure declaration of April 2 refers to reduced deliveries of nylon 12, their intention to restart production as soon as possible, and that it was not possible to evaluate the outcome of the situation at the moment. On April 10, Arkema, who also produces nylon 12, declared force majeure for their European operations since they rely on some purchased CDT. Together Evonik and Arkema account for about half of the world's capacity to make nylon 12. We do not have an indication yet on how drastic the reductions in nylon 12 shipments will be but it is likely to be serious. The tubing converters in North America have begun to issue force majeure declarations of their own this week. It is expected that restarting Evonik's CDT operation is 6 to 8 months away. The ability of Evonik and Arkema to find alternate sources of CDT is very limited and it is doubtful that the CDT shortage can be made up. In the short term auto and truck production will be affected. The force majeure declarations allow OEMs to substitute materials on a fast-track basis in such cases if they are satisfied that the new materials are suitable for use in the application. It appears we will be seeing some of this substitution activity now."

[link to www.ihs.com]

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Yep there it is...

US Automakers Agree Action Plan for Resin Shortage; Key Evonik Plant Out of Action for at Least Three Months

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So are you happy about this? Are you one of those bicycle riding communist green tards?
Or are you unhappy about it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15079414


You go first.

Are you happy? Or unhappy?

OK, this is an event that will have knock on effects to the global economy, not to mention military capabilities.

They still use pnuematic hosing ya know.
 Quoting: Baldrick


Im unhappy I like cars.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15079414


the rothschilds want you living in a straw tent riding a push bike

enjoy your cars while they last

'hoon laws' were done purposely by the crown government to purposely remove people from the 'performance car scene'

this is an environmental new world order. which means the billionares and trillionares are going 'green', so nobody else can ever make it rich again.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15113735


Agreed, enviro tards hijacked by communist tards, and communist tards are the NWO.
We really need to take our country back, we need a Ron Paul.
Who made the hoon laws was it labor or liberal?
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...


You go first.

Are you happy? Or unhappy?

OK, this is an event that will have knock on effects to the global economy, not to mention military capabilities.

They still use pnuematic hosing ya know.
 Quoting: Baldrick


Im unhappy I like cars.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15079414


the rothschilds want you living in a straw tent riding a push bike

enjoy your cars while they last

'hoon laws' were done purposely by the crown government to purposely remove people from the 'performance car scene'

this is an environmental new world order. which means the billionares and trillionares are going 'green', so nobody else can ever make it rich again.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15113735


Agreed, enviro tards hijacked by communist tards, and communist tards are the NWO.
We really need to take our country back, we need a Ron Paul.
Who made the hoon laws was it labor or liberal?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15079414


Cant disagree with you but its a bit off topic mate.
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There\\\'s too many cars in the world anyway!
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yes

get your bike on!
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It\'s made in China! And you probably fitted it\'s tires. Cool... just like a custom made Aston Martin.
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another reason to allow industrial hemp to be grown once more. im sure that im not the only one with more than 5000 hours of testing done on an essentially identical compound with only additional benifits shown throughout.

dupont and similar have inflicted enough damage. time to crawl back under their rocks.

[link to altahemp.com]

Henry Ford dreamed that someday automobiles would be grown from the soil. In 1941 the Ford motor company produced an experimental automobile with a plastic body composed of 70% cellulose fibers from hemp. The car body could absorb blows 10 times as great as steel without denting. The car was designed to run on hemp fuel. Because of the ban on both hemp and alcohol the car was never mass produced.

stoner
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I agree Hemp was banned to make the non smoking kind grown for textiles uneconomical.
So DuPont could sell chemicals to the new modern textile industry, plastics.
With the NWO communist tard green tards trying to tax the air itself, this will do nothing to reduce plastic pollution.
C02 content of plastic is minimal.
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Next it will be a biological lab.

Radiation
Chemical
Biological

Yep, we are under attack and that aint no joke. :(
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There\\\'s too many cars in the world anyway!
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yes

get your bike on!
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It\'s made in China! And you probably fitted it\'s tires. Cool... just like a custom made Aston Martin.
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im as chinese as obama is honest
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Im unhappy I like cars.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15079414


the rothschilds want you living in a straw tent riding a push bike

enjoy your cars while they last

'hoon laws' were done purposely by the crown government to purposely remove people from the 'performance car scene'

this is an environmental new world order. which means the billionares and trillionares are going 'green', so nobody else can ever make it rich again.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15113735


Agreed, enviro tards hijacked by communist tards, and communist tards are the NWO.
We really need to take our country back, we need a Ron Paul.
Who made the hoon laws was it labor or liberal?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15079414


Cant disagree with you but its a bit off topic mate.
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Actually, maybe not. The Rothschild family has its tenticles everywhere. They 'make' things happen, to suit their current global agendas.
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You go first.

Are you happy? Or unhappy?

OK, this is an event that will have knock on effects to the global economy, not to mention military capabilities.

They still use pnuematic hosing ya know.
 Quoting: Baldrick


Im unhappy I like cars.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15079414


the rothschilds want you living in a straw tent riding a push bike

enjoy your cars while they last

'hoon laws' were done purposely by the crown government to purposely remove people from the 'performance car scene'

this is an environmental new world order. which means the billionares and trillionares are going 'green', so nobody else can ever make it rich again.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15113735


Agreed, enviro tards hijacked by communist tards, and communist tards are the NWO.
We really need to take our country back, we need a Ron Paul.
Who made the hoon laws was it labor or liberal?
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Think it was labor. Doesn't make any difference, all politicians are 'representatives of the crown' in london.

liberal / labor is just an illusion for the masses to think they have a choice.
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the rothschilds want you living in a straw tent riding a push bike

enjoy your cars while they last

'hoon laws' were done purposely by the crown government to purposely remove people from the 'performance car scene'

this is an environmental new world order. which means the billionares and trillionares are going 'green', so nobody else can ever make it rich again.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15113735


Agreed, enviro tards hijacked by communist tards, and communist tards are the NWO.
We really need to take our country back, we need a Ron Paul.
Who made the hoon laws was it labor or liberal?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15079414


Cant disagree with you but its a bit off topic mate.
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Actually, maybe not. The Rothschild family has its tenticles everywhere. They 'make' things happen, to suit their current global agendas.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15113735

I agree many "accidents" may not actually be accidents if you get what I mean.
Especially when certain accidents further their agenda of Marxist world slavery.
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Seems to be a lot of chemical plants going boom boom lately.
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Environmental terrorists, like deep water horizon, Fukishma Daichi.
It is real just maybe they have chosen to now do it covertly.
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